Buck Dharma Recalls Black Sabbath Were 'Standoffish' on 1980 Tour With Blue Öyster Cult:

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[@sarcastanaut]

I miss King Biscuit Flower Hour.

[@vanceharkema5131]

I used to record shows off the radio on cassette.

[@user-cy5yt6dj1j]

Awesome tour, saw them at MSG. BOC kicked ass and Sabbath killed too, however there were some people chanting ‘Ozzy’ during their set, so much that at one point Dio went to the mic between songs and said “Sorry, Ozzy couldn’t make it tonight”.

[@MdlAgedHeadbanger]

I've heard both bands talk about the tour. Tony & Geezer talked about it in their biographies, Tony & Geezer felt the tour was put together to get Blue Oyster Cult more exposure. Black Sabbath was also very frustrated with Blue Oyster Cult's production. They had a fiberglass Godzilla that took 90 minutes to take down. As a result Black Sabbath nights when Black Sabbath headlined they went to a tired audience with shows going past midnight and frequently half filled arenas at the end. Albert Bouchard has also spoken of this tour and said while he did feel Sabbath was standoffish, said they were never rude or caused any problems. He felt they weren't too sociable and did say he had nothing but respect for them. He even went so far as to say he found them easier to talk to then Kiss.

[@sirchromiumdowns2015]

In Iommi's biography, he recalls doing a lot of cocaine at that time. That screws up a person's ego. Good read.

[@jogmas12]

Why was Tony so messed up on drug? Did he ever say? Yet, years earlier he fired Ozzy because Ozzy was irresponsible with his drug and alcohol use. Explain that

[@kevinmcc3147]

​@@jogmas12 because he was a hypocrite during that time Lita Ford said that Tony was heavy into cocaine and he physically abusive to Lita quite a few times when they were together

[@joeshoe6184]

​@jogmas12 trying to explain why people do drugs is impossible. As far as the difference between alcohol and coke, it's huuuuge. Alcohol can make you a stumbling, bumbling slurring idiot, unable to perform. Coke just makes you a violent paranoid asshole, but still able to perform. He probably fired Ozzy cuz he was too drunk to perform his duties in the band.

[@richardhincemon]

​@@kevinmcc3147Tony Iommi was engaged to Lita Ford in the mid eighties and the Black and Blue tour was in 1980. You can't believe everything you read in her book . Blue Oyster Cult had their part of the concert professionally shot with over dubs and Sabbath was filmed in all their raw power not aware of the movie coming out of the gig .

[@richardhincemon]

I saw Black Sabbath on September 26th Charlotte coliseum Heaven and Hell tour with Jesse Bolt and Riot a show dedicated to John Bonham who passed away on September 25th dear friend of Tony Iommi and he didn't appear to be high on coke that night phenomenal performance from Tony Iommi and Vinny Appice played a great drum solo also that evening.

[@samfaelinn]

Saw the Black and Blue tour with Molly Hatchet as the third band at Rockford Speedway. Years later saw BOC at a Chicago area bar and drank Budweiser long necks with Buck Dharma and Eric Bloom between sets...wasn't expecting that.

[@lilmoe4364]

I heard that recently the artist who designed the album covers for Black Sabbath, Heaven and Hell and B.O.C., Agents of Fortune had an art exhibit somewhere in Connecticut. Great albums, great covers. These two bands are both so great.. love their stuff

[@devildart]

Also on that tour was the riot in Milwaukee. Someone threw a beer bottle which hit Geezer in the head and knocked him out cold. They stopped the show and took him to the hospital. The crowd went crazy. Caused tons of damage to the venue.

[@sunjester8254]

Terrible.

[@imaouima]

Why didn't they just go after the beer bottle thrower?

[@Kinger1625]

The belt! Amen Ralph! Dedication!!! ❤

[@longliverocknmetal]

Cool backstory on how you snuck out to see it. Man, it was tough sometimes for me too, livin' under my parents' roof, lol. A show on a school night before I was 16? Frustrating!! An older buddy sometimes drove, but that was my only chance.

[@screamingdizbuster7722]

I saw The Outlaws open for Black Sabbath at the Cow Palace in SF on "The Mob Rules" tour. Sensational show, of course. Wishing Well from H & H is my favorite Sabbath song from the brief Dio era.

[@briankerr1932]

Mine too love singing that song🎤🎶brilliant vocals and lyrics

[@deathmetaldouglas69]

The Johnny Van Zant Band also toured with "Mob Rules" era Black Sabbath. I think Geezer was explaining that a southern rock band as an opener was preferable than a heavy metal band for diversity reasons. Circus mag I believe I read that.

[@jcsolomon6470]

Black and Blue!Midnight Movies back In The day!Like WRNO,In the NOLA,area!Good Times!

[@kenni123064]

Blue Oyster Cult has got to be one of the most underrated bands, but very influential in the hard rock genre. Props to BOC… the original lineup could hold their own to anyone ! Don’t underestimate the “Giant Eyball” of Godzilla 😉😜

[@davidterhune8277]

Dude! You got to see early Riot! I saw them (on the "Fire Down Under" tour) open for Rush("Moving Pictures" tour) and it was way cool, made me a Riot fan for life. Shame they never got the success they deserved

[@ilovealaska2000]

I had a chance to go to the Black N Blue tour in Los Angeles, but being a Ozzy fan I didn't go. My friends that went said it was awesome. Foghat was the best live. Miss Lonesome Dave.

[@seerstone8982]

The Black and Blue film is available (VHS) version on KZbin.

[@acorn-yy1gi]

I saw the Black And Blue film at a midnight movie in summer 1982.

[@seerstone8982]

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[@williamcoyle7226]

I was at the Nassau show. Paid $35 to the local neighborhood scalper for 3rd row, which was a king's ransom for a 15 year old in 1980. Very worth it though. BOC headlined because they were a L.I. fave.

[@julianschulz1620]

Love that story! Took the bus, there AND back, only to get a beat-down at the very end. You EARNED that show!

[@johnkatsoudas4767]

I love that you snuck out to see that tour. Definitely worth it. I would rather see the show you saw over the Black and Blue tour. Huge fan of Riot. They should have been way bigger than they were.

[@mustlovepretzels]

in 2013 Buck Dharma said on "That Metal Show" that members of Black Sabbath do not want "Black & Blue" released on dvd. Sorry about the beating you took for Heavy Metal. Cheers! 🥨

[@markbirchette8740]

The Black and Blue tour! First time I had the chance to see Black Sabbath, they canceled the night of the show and B.O.C did both sets, I still have my shirt and ticket stub. Sabbath canceled in Utah for this tour,but I did catch them on Mob Rules. I suspect Sabbath canceled because they weren't getting along. Many pissed off fans here in Utah.

[@Raw-guitar]

A Lot of Mormons

[@markbirchette8740]

@@Raw-guitar Mormon is a book about a prophet. It's The Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. No it wasn't our members, I'd know being a member. Nice stereotype. Ever heard of the 1st Ammendment?

[@camwatters644]

The first amendment means the govt can’t ban you from saying something. It doesn’t protect speech from criticism or mockery

[@markbirchette8740]

@@camwatters644 It's also Freedom of Religion

[@philipholmes5884]

Getting into a discussion over religion and free speech over a Black Sabbath and Blue oyster cult tour ! Cool 😀👍🏻

[@DrWrapperband]

You should read Deke Leonards book, there is a bit about MAN touring with Blue Oyster Cult that explains everything.

[@jimyounger9490]

I actually did see the Black and Blue tour in Chicago at the international amphitheater. And it was an excellent show, both bands. I was a freshman in high school.

[@danmoss2080]

BOC seem like fairly nice guys to me? I like both bands

[@neil1390]

Saw Black and Blue tour at the old Boston Garden.BOC backed up Sabbath.I thought BOC was the better band!

[@stevepovkov9259]

Seen this tour in Seattle while stationed in Bremerton in Navy. Buddy and I did some liquid LSD 25 acid we bought from some civilian. Got so fried watched last ferry fill up and leave and forgot to get on. Sat in terminal until morning tripping balls off.

[@elldarrx616]

Yup the king biscuit flower hour. I recorded that from the radio station great quality.

[@lilmoe4364]

I remember seeing Black and Blue in the movie theater as well. Good times ! Would love to see it again

[@Mandrahale]

Tony was about to drain Columbia of all its magic dust. Don’t expect camaraderie…😂😂😂

[@jogmas12]

Why was Tony so deep into drugs? Did he ever say?

[@spaceace1006]

2 albums that many of us cut our teeth on! Black Sabbath Master of Reality and KISS ALIVE!

[@briggscharleton6139]

My first albums I heard by both. Led me on a derelict adventure for life :D

[@laurencelevene4333]

Except, although kiss alive was great album, it was not really live at all

[@erickjason9092]

I remember going to the theatre in Huntington and seeing that movie, Black and Blue, at the Balcony Theater on Long Island. Good times!

[@JohnWhite-xc3md]

That was a great movie! Wish I could find it now.

[@longliverocknmetal]

Man, you saw a cool triple bill!! I never saw Johnny Van Zant band. I think you saw the "No More Dirty Deals" tour. "Only the strong survive" is on that album...Riot on "Narita" tour? YES!!

[@almosthuman56]

Yes Narita. and Only The Strong Survive

[@anyfoolknowthat]

RIOT!

[@user-qt1rr5tk9i]

One of the greatest live tracks i know is eti on some enchanted evening. Top 5 or 10

[@juanramirez-wk8ty]

I seen them when the tour blew through Chicago. Awesome , the drummer for B.O.C. wore a Godzillla mask when they played the song!

[@carystorm1863]

International amphitheater yeah with the strobe lights it almost looked like he was turning into godzilla, this small little piece of paper I ingested didn't hurt either.

[@juanramirez-wk8ty]

@@carystorm1863 Fucking aye dude!

[@tootsieshmutsie6428]

Super vid, like those stories

[@michaelmerrullo2043]

The only news that matters!❤ Just looked through some Black and Blue videos. Iommi always looks like he snorted an 8 ball back in those days lol

[@Dethdevastation]

I saw the show in Hawaii. Molly hatchet played too. Was great except no Danny Joe Brown in hatchet and no Ozzy in Sabbath. Seeing dio sing Sabbath tunes was very cool.

[@kevinkiso4579]

I saw this tour here in Seattle at Seattle Center's Memorial Stadium. BOC stole the show. The show was Riot, Molly Hatchet, Blue Oyster Cult, and Black Sabbath.

[@mikeedmonds7929]

Hey Man, I really dig your show, I saw this tour at Madison Square Garden the show was epic and both albums were great too.

[@almosthuman56]

Cool, thanks!

[@sashasavisha146]

Good memories. I like BOC. Cultosaurus Erectus had some good songs. But they’re not a headliner over Sabbath with Dio and the Heaven And Hell album. That could only be conceived because BOC was owed a favor or something.

[@stylesb959]

I just read geezers book and he did mention it, I think it might over over elaborate stage setup and running over time. Can’t remember

[@donaldcady3839]

Great fucking video. My 2 favorite bands of all time.

[@philipholmes5884]

The Bouchard brothers are now playing with ex Alice Cooper bass player Dennis Dunaway... they're called "Blue Coope" or something... Awesome story about you getting whooped over going to a concert Ralph !...i caught hell from my mom for going to see the Ramones in '77 ! But i still went and got to see them while Tommy was still drumming ! ❤

[@Scottocaster6668]

Ralph paid to see The Black and Blue tour..then came home and got it for free from Dad! Small price to pay for the Rock and Roll gods.

[@stepanbandera5206]

I saw Black & Blue tour. It was a great show, especially with Ronnie. H&H was a great album. I found my ticket stub the other day, on the back of the ticket stub I had written "Purple microdot", 🤷 what can I say? 🤘😵‍💫

[@hughman2346]

Buck will melt your damn face right off your head.

[@renorocker64]

We slept out for two nights for the Heaven and Hell Tour second in line I was 15 years old and we got front and center tickets bad mistake then because it was too rowdy and I was completely drunk but an amazing show from what I remember ,😂😂😂

[@JB-gw8ee]

My two favorite bands

[@johnbailey5586]

Saw that tour at Lebanon Valley...N.Y. raceway...have shirt

[@alfred4012]

Yo bro, to much purple microdot, ha ha ,love it bro peace ✌ OUT!

[@hammeredwithhorror]

I caught the Black n Blue tour as a kid with my sister in Chicago and the Never Say Die tour 78. I remember thinking man Tony's ego must be off the scale making Ozzy stand off to the side while he took center stage.

[@ghostface_grilla1155]

Why is Buck never mentioned in greatest guitar players of all time????

[@ronanzann4851]

Do you know how many really good guitarists there were (even back then) ???

[@zigmonger6646]

Ummm...because he's not.

[@1ssjesus]

My dad saw one of the shows on that tour, and I also have a bootleg copy of that film. Roadhouse Blues kicked so much ass!

[@krudetube795]

The Black and Blue movie has BÖC doing The Marshall Plan video. Eric Bloom without beard and sunglasses in it.

[@grantbaechler3529]

I've also heard that ACDC didn't get along with BOC on tour because they wouldn't let then use the cannon on stage for the for those about to rock tour.

[@TranceMasterJack]

Acdc were headlining that tour.

[@billyz5088]

I recall that some city fire departments would not allow them to fire the cannons ..

[@canisXsapien]

You would have been a bandolero if it wasn’t for that belt boy

[@Kinger1625]

Interesting story. Thanks Ralph! Black Sabbath Sunday….early Monday morning for me! Lmao ONLY NEWS THAT MATTERS!!!

[@johnnyringo9759]

The belt!!! 😢😢

[@MrLtia1234]

Geezer says how they were standoffish to Sabbath. He complains their roadies would deliberately take a long time to take down BOC's set meaning Sabbath wouldn't go on until after midnight. They also supposedly played a piss take version of Iron Man! In truth, just sounds like a bit of miscommunication. Very typical of rock bands, and particularly typical of Sabbath!

[@kevinbrown1893]

Loves me some Black & Blue (H&H and Cultosaurus, that is). The early '80s really was a magickal time for music, and music goes better with Satan...I mean, Saturn.

[@alfred4012]

Yeah I seen that black and blue concert, but if any of you new Yorkers remember, hammerheads, with ,,,THE PINK WHITE UNDER BELLYS, HELLO NY, U KNOW WHAT IM SAYING!

[@FortessofShred]

The first time I had tickets to see Sabbath was with Pantera in 1998. Ozzy got so piss drunk that they canceled the show. They promised to come back and honor the tickets.... they NEVER did. I didn't get a chance to see them for six years 😔

[@1wickedgroove]

I don't think Vinnie was in Sabbath at the time of this tour. I'm pretty sure Bill Ward was still sitting behind the drums.

[@domdonofrio7974]

Yes!!!

[@almosthuman56]

Bill Ward quitr during the tour. I saw them with Vinnioe.a nd the Black n Blue movie is with Vinnie./

[@1wickedgroove]

@@almosthuman56 🤟

[@billyz5088]

~~ Ward had to quit the tour in late August 1980 - he was a mess - they had to scratch about a week's worth of shows - then Vinny Appice's first show was at Aloha Stadium in Honolulu at the end of August ..

[@rayr4320]

No one could match Dharma in 1980 guitar wise. Nobody. BOC took alot of pride in their live performances at that time. I love their epic 7SDB they were playing during the black and blue tour. Click here -----> kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJfdgYNvgZ6EpqM

[@rayr4320]

This solo on Fire of UO tour was crack -----> kzbin.info/www/bejne/baGplZ6hn6yce9U

[@drivenmad7676]

When you first spoke i thought you were Udo from Accept.

[@almosthuman56]

I am.

[@drivenmad7676]

@@almosthuman56 Nice!!! Love your music.

[@thrashingjedi72]

Bitch done alot of great albums.he is an awesome producer.

[@drainmonkeys385]

I don’t think BOC should have been headliners.. they are great.. I love their music, some exceptional songs.. but I think sabbath is the main event.. they shouldn’t have had either be a headliner .. why have one? Just have both on equal level..

[@johnliotta2583]

Egos and $

[@Ac130spectreH1]

😂😂😂

[@ChrisStokes07]

I like Sabbath with Ozzy, Blue Oyster Cult, Sabbath Gillan, and Sabbath with Dio in that order.

[@briggscharleton6139]

BOC blew Sabbath off the stage on that tour. Sabbath was the headliner- got on stage at midnight. Saw it at the Cap Centre. That movie kinda blows because I think each band only plays 5 songs - saw it at midnight screening, too. BOC played Lips in the Hills, Divine Wind, Black Blade and Unknown Tongue

[@sunjester8254]

Sabbath new that BOC were the vastly superior band, so they was feeling insecure about being on tour with them.

[@MarkTurner-vs7uc]

No, they were totally jerks. I was around that tour. It was ugly. Sabbath were finished, and they knew it. They were all messed up in every way you can think of.

[@upyours574]

Black Sabbath destroyed BOC on that tour.

[@billyz5088]

~~ not really - I saw the tour in mid October - just a few days before the filmed show in NY - both bands were great - BÖC opened the show - and they were as loud as they needed to be - then Sabbath came on and played incredibly loud - like they felt they needed to be twice as loud as BÖC - which did not make them any better - just louder ..

[@philnorman5912]

That's just not true both bands were great. Great memories

[@ronnash2924]

What color is the sky on your planet ? BOC played with so many great bands and I've seen them over 100 times and can say nobody , and I mean nobody ever came close to destroying them, ever.

[@mikee2923]

The original BÖC lineup with the Bouchard brothers can hold their own against anyone. Black Sabbath maybe the godfathers of heavy metal but talent wise they couldn’t hold a candle to BÖC.