Buck Shot has a Dirty and Possibly Dangerous Secret

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CarryTrainer

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@hickok45
@hickok45 5 сағат бұрын
Good demonstration. I'm often surprised at how little spread with premium shotgun ammo out at 20 or 30 yards on steel. All the more reason for us to remember that inside the house at probably less than five yards, we're shooting a "rifle." Hopefully, we don't have people out there still who think they don't have to "aim" a shotgun! It will take out the whole wall from across the room! 😊
@mortimerschnerd3846
@mortimerschnerd3846 Сағат бұрын
Been shootin shotguns for more than 65 years and I was never aware of the PROFOUND difference in patterning between economy and premium buckshot loads. For most cases in home defense situations I guess I would prefer the economy loads with a center of mass hold and a prayer the foe has no body armor. Subscribed. As an aside, my local range does not allow ANY shotguns! It was always a prissy outfit, but for the police range, it's the only game in town.
@CormacBride
@CormacBride 12 сағат бұрын
I recently completed a 3 day shotty class at Thunder Ranch in Oregon, definitely blew my mind. Patterns may not expand as much as previously thought, but my brain sure did 🤯 Really enjoy your videos as well. Positive, informative & fun 👍
@CarryTrainer
@CarryTrainer 12 сағат бұрын
@CormacBride that's a top notch training. Glad you got to go.
@RicardoMontanon
@RicardoMontanon Сағат бұрын
Did you get to meet “the man”?
@mkshffr4936
@mkshffr4936 7 сағат бұрын
Didn't know that patterning was a dark secret. 😊 In my socioeconomic class 10 yds is a very long home defense range. In my 1600 sq ft suburban home I would be hard pressed to find a shooting lane more than 5 yds. In fact at 15 yards I would likely be shooting someone on a neighbor's property. Personally if I anticipate longer range shots I would not be considering shot at all. To pick at a nit a little bit, I disagree that the goal is to transfer a lot of energy. The goal is to damage an adequate amount of critical tissue and/or quickly lower blood pressure. Neither is really related to energy below a couple thousand fps. Buckshot is effective in this regard in large part because the shot spreads inside the target tearing up a large cone of tissue and destroying a lot of blood vessels. Slugs are a little different. They benefit just from the fact that you are firing a 73 caliber or so chunk of lead. Have a great Christmas and a prosperous new year.
@patrick888881
@patrick888881 2 сағат бұрын
Bingo, though I do think it is good to know how your gun patterns with what loads and choke, and some newer owners never really understand that the shotgun isn't a heat seeking missile. Fudlore be damned for that pump action myth.
@chrisborona5063
@chrisborona5063 27 минут бұрын
Select sluggggggggg....
@dspencer1969
@dspencer1969 4 минут бұрын
#4 buck is the answer🙃
@jude.25
@jude.25 4 сағат бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that plastic wadding is banned in California since plastic is known to cause cancer... Seriously, good information here. Thank you.
@davidransom4476
@davidransom4476 Сағат бұрын
You can buy it here. They are still researching if breathing should be allowed, though. The Federal FlightControl loads are restricted.
@mariustresorus942
@mariustresorus942 12 сағат бұрын
Probably one of the best if not the best channel about firearms, it’s like a Proust madeleine for me. Really enjoyed it, thanks for your work despite Christmas time.
@CarryTrainer
@CarryTrainer 12 сағат бұрын
High marks. Thank you. Merry Christmas
@kenjohnson6603
@kenjohnson6603 5 сағат бұрын
I think that I like the Sellier & Bellot better than the Federal for self defense. It cover a much wider area. The federal acts more like a rifle round at the distance you were shooting.
@Maddad_39
@Maddad_39 Сағат бұрын
I have been loading my own 12 gauge for over 20 years now, and what I have found to be the best for my rural home defense need is a custom loaded multi-purpose buckshot loaded with a super short wad with 4 pellets of .32 cal. Inside wad with 6 pellets of .33 cal over wad in a 2 3/4 hull no buffer, and loaded with a fast burning light powder charge for less recoil, about 1050fps from an 18 inch barrel. The 4 pellets loaded down in the wad stay with the wad about 10-12 yards consistently before spreading out on their own. Adding buffer of any type to this load changes everything, including consistency of pellet dispersal. The pellets do get deformed, especially soft cast pure lead, but do not affect the pattern and will not overly penatrate like copper, nickel, non-toxic, or chilled harder hunting types of pellets. I know most people are not going to make their own ammo, but I would caution against flight control in most home defense situations as it will consistently penatrate 20 plus inches of ballistic gelatin, especially if clustered together upon entry. Few instructors would recommend full metal jacket ammo for defensive use in handguns for good reason. The same logic also applies to other defensive tools. Flight control technology was created to extend patterns for steel shot and later buckshot for hunting purposes but has been overly hyped from typical modern marketing practices and unethical hunters attempting to take game at ranges that seem right on paper targets but have lost lethal velocity at those same distances. We are seeing the same B.S. in rifle hunting, unfortunately right now, as well with hunters shooting at and sometimes even hitting big game at ridiculous ranges.
@lucasdog1
@lucasdog1 5 сағат бұрын
Very informative video, thanks. So, what I took away from all this is; in the dark, no glasses on, moving target... if you want the best chance of not missing... use the cheap stuff. 9 pellets going a tad left or right in a 2 inch circle does nothing, but with an 8-10 inch spread, 4 pellets hitting still gets the message home.
@rizzodrat3076
@rizzodrat3076 4 сағат бұрын
Yeah, it always amuzed me when guys brag about one-hole groups with buckshot. You want one hole, shoot a slug. THAT is energy transfer.
@CarryTrainer
@CarryTrainer 3 сағат бұрын
@lucasdog1 negative. That's planning for zero training. If your life and your families is important. Barrow those deficiencies through training. To just say, I'll dump lead in the dark is not on silly, it's negligence. Where are those missing pellets? Would you do that with a pistol or rifle? I certainly hope not.
@CarryTrainer
@CarryTrainer 3 сағат бұрын
@@rizzodrat3076 it's not bragging. It's data. What's the goal?
@martynshaw884
@martynshaw884 3 сағат бұрын
Federal premium buckshot is designed for 40 yard deer hunting . I was a shotgun instructor for the DOD Armed Guard Service in the 80's. In combat "hits count, misses don't". A single 00 pellet may not end the fight but it will sure fuck up your adversaries aim. A 00 pellet is about 9mm. caliber. A 9 mm subgun doesn't shoot tight patterns but is still an effective fight stopper.
@meghan7547
@meghan7547 3 сағат бұрын
EXACTLY, the other thing, he "purposely" not one time shot the "budget" ammo on "center mass". Had he, look at how many different organs would have taken direct hits, heart, lungs, liver, all more than likely would have taken hits. Would have shown an evenly spaced grouping on entire chest are causing all sorts of trauma.
@howardbesett9823
@howardbesett9823 2 сағат бұрын
Retired LEO, good video, during my career I worked approx. 10 yrs as head of firearms. The federal flight control is a great round when used in cylinder bore barrels. It performed better at 50 yds than the remy 00 at 25 yds. According to Hornady personal I talked to the flight control wad was developed by an individual and Hornady bought the rights to use it. So anyone else who uses it has to pay them a fee. Funny think is the federal outperforms the hornady. My opinion is the plastic buffer & copper plated pellets help. Lastly, measure a federal flight control pellet & it's not 00 (.330) it's closer to O buck size.
@truckcop1
@truckcop1 Сағат бұрын
The wad was originally patented by Chris Billings of Layton Utah in 1999. He marketed buckshot to LE agencies under the name CHOKE and Billings Ammo. I think I saw it first at a IALEFI conference. I purchased a 250 round case of the CHOKE branded buckshot. Still have 5 or 6 boxes that I keep for nostalgia sake. Federal Tactical, 13300 is the 8 pellet version and is my go-to buckshot. I've found the 13200 9 pellet version usually has a flier as much as 5-6 inches outside the main pattern.
@jacka55six60
@jacka55six60 7 минут бұрын
@@truckcop1 The infamous 9th pellet flyer!!
@BlueRidgeCritter
@BlueRidgeCritter 13 сағат бұрын
Good video man. Always enjoy some shotgun love. That is actually what I carry as a truck gun, as opposed to an SBR or something (where I live, it makes the most versatile sense). I do love what Clint Smith says about shotguns: "a pistol puts holes in you. A rifle puts holes through you. A shotgun blows a big chunk of your sh✌🏻t all over the wall behind you. " Really great points about the spread, absolutely true. It's not about poopooing shells, they can do the job, but every brand and type are different and it's important to try them out and see for yourself what they do and figure out for yourself how to implement that information for your needs. Merry Christmas Mickey.
@cooper57m
@cooper57m 5 сағат бұрын
The point of shot vs slug is the spread. It gives you a little room for pointing/sighting error. At 10 yds, I'd want the spread of the cheaper ammo. For deer hunting at longer ranges, I'd want the tighter premium stuff. Home defense is going to be close range. Give me the spread. If I didn’t want that, I'd use a slug or a rifle.
@billpark8988
@billpark8988 4 сағат бұрын
My thoughts exactly. At room distance I don't think it matters to whoever is on the receiving end.
@patrick888881
@patrick888881 2 сағат бұрын
The point is that you are responisible for that spread, and those errant pellets are going to cause problems unless you know how your shotgun patterns at 10 yards, some don't.
@terry_willis
@terry_willis 2 сағат бұрын
Totally agree. We're talking about the "average" person here who will rarely use the gun in self defense if ever and doesn't practice regularly.
@defenderofpoodles5606
@defenderofpoodles5606 18 минут бұрын
Congratulations! You are now part of the 2% of KZbin gun channels to address choke when discussing shotguns.
@gregoryfranklin5108
@gregoryfranklin5108 2 сағат бұрын
Buck is for thinning mobs . Slugs are personal artillery, and bird shot is deterent . At close range , they are all devastating.
@TELEFUNKENU47458
@TELEFUNKENU47458 Сағат бұрын
NOTHING trumps a 12 ga.
@badmonks
@badmonks Сағат бұрын
This gets my vote for quote of the week.
@hecanseeme8210
@hecanseeme8210 2 сағат бұрын
Use anti-seize for choke tubes you plan to leave in place. Grease can cook over time and be difficult.
@YouveBeenMiddled
@YouveBeenMiddled 36 минут бұрын
Interesting note about buckshot: He mentions chokes but didn't highlight their effect. While a shotgun produces tighter _birdshot_ patterns at distance with an appropriate choke, this effect is reversed with buckshot. The tighter the choke the more stray pellets you'll encounter. You can see the wider patterns with BOTH types of ammo shown here. *For your defensive shotgun, find a load that works well in your tube and use the least restrictive choke.*
@CarryTrainer
@CarryTrainer 28 минут бұрын
Not only did I highlight the effects, I showed you on paper.
@mperuski100
@mperuski100 7 сағат бұрын
I'll take the cheap one. I want some spread. Same velosity? In a high stress situation I would prefer a wider spread to increse target hits.
@TwentyTwoSigma
@TwentyTwoSigma 5 сағат бұрын
Even with cheap monarch 00, my Mossberg 20in barrel cylinder bore has only a 8-9 in spread at 20yds. Cheap Winchester 00 had about the same spread. It's not bad. If you're using a short barrel, then you'll have to worry more.
@howarddittrich157
@howarddittrich157 24 минут бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Especially for home defense were the longest shot, at least in my home, is 20 feet.
@GregariousAntithesis
@GregariousAntithesis 7 сағат бұрын
I like a blunderbuss for close quarters home protection 🤣
@nickhosford7801
@nickhosford7801 3 сағат бұрын
As the Founding Fathers intended 😂
@traviscecil3903
@traviscecil3903 2 сағат бұрын
Only an "assault blunderbus" will do. Lol.
@markgotschall2914
@markgotschall2914 2 сағат бұрын
When I was a Deputy we learned this at the range, as an officer you were responsible for every pellet, we used the Federal out to 20 yards and could keep every pellet in the head. After 20 yards we performed the 'switch to slug' drill.
@davidbayne2845
@davidbayne2845 5 сағат бұрын
Thanks for a great video! Buckshot from #000 to #4 may be patterned with your shotgun from five to twenty five yards. A practical pattern is from two to eight inches however it is achieved. A practical pattern results in eight to twenty four separate wound tracks penetrating around twelve inches into center mass. This is what gives a single trigger pull threat stop, but you still have to aim. Pattern control and placement is the secret to shotgunning in general.
@deputydog5261
@deputydog5261 12 сағат бұрын
Premium 00 is hard to find and expensive as an alternative use whatever you can get but use a buck kicker choke the results will be pretty good.
@CarryTrainer
@CarryTrainer 12 сағат бұрын
@@deputydog5261 you don't need a lot of it.
@mittiejackson3427
@mittiejackson3427 6 сағат бұрын
I have cases of premium OO buckshot because I've been doing this for 60 years.
@CarryTrainer
@CarryTrainer 3 сағат бұрын
@mittiejackson3427 boooom
@NotALot-xm6gz
@NotALot-xm6gz 7 сағат бұрын
Pattern plates are always a good idea when trying a new gun or ammunition as the centre of the pattern and pattern density may vary considerably between brands and models.
@JMBAmericanIronShallNotBeInfri
@JMBAmericanIronShallNotBeInfri 8 сағат бұрын
I love my Mossberg 930 SPX Tactical, and I also have an NFA-registered Remington 870 SBS with a 14-inch barrel. Both are great defensive shotguns.
@wipperwil
@wipperwil 14 минут бұрын
Good video. Thanks so much for posting this. I’m a 590a1 fan myself.
@richiev63
@richiev63 12 сағат бұрын
Thanks again for a very informative video. Merry Christmas!
@CarryTrainer
@CarryTrainer 12 сағат бұрын
@@richiev63 merry Christmas!
@Blue-cq2hl
@Blue-cq2hl 2 сағат бұрын
I've seen other tests showing difference in shotguns and shells and that it's almost entirely the wad packing it in there nice and tight. Played around with loading and there's so many different wads out there for everything too lol. Almost all of it is at least a smaller version of that hornady wad if not just as big too. Shot is just such a different animal from any other single shell round.
@brianmurray1395
@brianmurray1395 3 сағат бұрын
Use the mini shells with slugs. They are awesome.
@erichelling6695
@erichelling6695 2 сағат бұрын
Reworked my S&B 2 3/4 00 buck by pulling the shell apart removing the fiber wad and adding a Win wad cuz that is what I had on hand then added 6 00 buck pellets (no room for more) added buffer and rolled the crimp back into place. 25 yard pattern is profoundly better.
@mmcg1476
@mmcg1476 7 сағат бұрын
Thanks, I was aware of what you were showing and teaching, it’s good to have a refresher every now and then, stay safe Sir!
@douglashill3967
@douglashill3967 3 сағат бұрын
Well done, sir! I have the old Mossy 500 with original wood stock. I’ve owned that shotgun for 37 years and have used it for everything you could possibly use a shotgun for. This is very valuable information to have.
@jamesmoore768
@jamesmoore768 3 сағат бұрын
I did what you’re doing at a young age. The first time with a single shot h& r 20 gauge! Later on with 870 Remington pump that I still own! And is one of my prized possessions! I discovered real quick that a full choke in my 870 did not pattern 00 buck shot good but it shot pretty good in a modified choke! I’m the young age of 70 now.😊 Going back to the initial test I made with the 20 gauge single shot! I shot a 7 inch app diameter pine tree at 2 or 3 yards with number 3 buck 9:00 shot it made a hole at least 4 to 5 inches inches diameter through the pine sapling and it fell over now that made a big impression on me to say the least! 👍
@jamesmoore768
@jamesmoore768 2 сағат бұрын
I also used news paper stapled to a cardboard box for my target. Since this was probably 45 years ago I used the available buckshot at the time. And I learned to hunt deer with a rifle and not a shotgun! Because the rifle was a much better choice and increased the yardage you could shoot a deer tremendously! Back then I learned by trial and error because I had no one to teach me how to deer hunt. But my grandfather had never hunted deer and my dad did not hunt at all! But my grandfather was a grandpa to me and my boys he lived to be 92 a month shy of his 93rd birthday! Really miss him!
@jamesmoore768
@jamesmoore768 2 сағат бұрын
Micky I love your videos they are excellent!
@darylhoughtlen225
@darylhoughtlen225 5 сағат бұрын
great video someone that actually understands and talks about the actual purpose of the differences in ammo for a shotgun.
@keeftaylor834
@keeftaylor834 2 сағат бұрын
First time I've stumbled onto this channel. Immediate subscribe.
@HonduDan
@HonduDan 3 сағат бұрын
I love this, very informative, very simple and it's great to dispel myths that may be very unhelpful in a self-defense situation. I hear the "just shuck the pump and it'll scare the intruder off" and "you don''t have to aim with this thing" nonsense all the time, it's infuriating how these falsehoods have been perpetuated. Good for you, thank you.
@davidransom4476
@davidransom4476 Сағат бұрын
The S&B is unbuffered. The white tiny pellets in the Federal are the buffer. You can get the rounds like S&B, or buffered rounds with the other type of plastic wads that are usually used in shotshells. Those plastic wads, the "normal" kind, open up from the front as the air hits the "wings" of the wad and the shot keeps going and leaves the wad. These usually give a 3-5" group at 10 yards (regular Remington ). The Federal Flight Control or sometimes called FightLite wads open up from the rear and slow the wad down. It keeps the pellets inside the wad and under control for much longer. Nice video. I thought reminding people of the ambidextrous tang safety was an excellent touch. I use a Remington 870 DM and Mossberg 930 with 18.5" barrel.
@peterbryant1408
@peterbryant1408 2 сағат бұрын
Loved you short demo !
@AbeDehili
@AbeDehili 37 минут бұрын
Excellent! Thank you Merry Christmas and good health for the years ahead.
@BillWilder-t9e
@BillWilder-t9e 8 сағат бұрын
LE designates a law enforcement ammo version probably why such a difference in performance. Interesting video
@trinitybeards3081
@trinitybeards3081 6 сағат бұрын
Federal makes a non LE version of this as well. The difference is that it has a white flight control wad. LE uses a pink wad to make it easier to locate at the scene of a shooting.
@1Dataware123
@1Dataware123 Сағат бұрын
Awesome demo. I always knew but am still astounded at the difference
@budoka34
@budoka34 24 минут бұрын
This is a good demonstration of potential. Some other factors to consider: The buffered copper-plated shot suffers less sticking and deformation during firing, aiding a tighter grouping. Unbuffered unplated lead shot will demonstrate slightly more opening due to compression deformation and increased friction. However, there will be differences in penetration and energy transfer between plated and nonplated shot. Again reinforcing the importance of understanding your weapon and ammunition choice capabilities. Get training and study ballistics. YMMV.
@fronterae
@fronterae 2 сағат бұрын
GREAT VIDEO! Quick question; Based on the “massive transfer of energy” concept, why not use the slug for home/self defense?
@REIronminer
@REIronminer 9 сағат бұрын
Beautiful work!
@OttoMatieque
@OttoMatieque 3 сағат бұрын
good info. a big consideration is the range at which you plan to be shooting. hunting shots are almost never done at 10 yards, but self-defense shots are done at 10 yards and closer. a hunting shot at 50 yards needs a tighter pattern because there is 5 times more distance for the shot to spread out. self-defense shots at 50 yards are likely to get you arrested (much more difficult to prove imminence of the threat when it is 50 yards away).
@samwilliams1142
@samwilliams1142 3 сағат бұрын
There is an expensive alternative to lead shot that is also denser and harder. Tungsten shot is relatively new. Tungsten dramatically improves pattern and range, at great expense.
@mrconfidential638
@mrconfidential638 8 сағат бұрын
Can confirm. Not all the time but in my buddy's situation all he had to do was load the round with his mosberg. It really depends on the situation and thief.
@BadDadio
@BadDadio 2 сағат бұрын
Thanks for cutting the shells open. While I figured that the wad had to be the biggest difference, I didn’t expect the S&B wad to be so cheap.
@harleywilliams7854
@harleywilliams7854 2 сағат бұрын
Buy cheap slugs if you want 1" spread. No secret there. A wad that restricts spread of a shot designed to spread is the same as a box of powdered water
@McThumbs01
@McThumbs01 Сағат бұрын
Good video as it reminded me to update my patterning. One point is that for those shotguns that have choke tubes, such as the 20” barrel on my 870, just change to a skeet or IC choke if you want a tighter pattern for the cheaper loads.
@YouveBeenMiddled
@YouveBeenMiddled 25 минут бұрын
In fact, tighter chokes produce a larger pattern for buckshot. When those big pellets hit the choke (and each other) they start bouncing around as well as deform. You can see the same results in this video. Birdshot effectively "squirts" through in a smaller pattern, but buckshot is disrupted and begins to spread out.
@007twm
@007twm Сағат бұрын
Thanks for another great video. Have a Merry Christmas.🌲
@peterkolovos3079
@peterkolovos3079 7 сағат бұрын
The Federal LE Reduced Recoil 00 Buck loads shoot one hole at 10 yards. No flyers.
@dano9421
@dano9421 29 минут бұрын
Muzzleloaders use a awesome grease for their plug, and it works great with the choke tunes, my little secret for those choke tubes
@TomSherwood-z5l
@TomSherwood-z5l 3 сағат бұрын
I bought a late 50s Wingmaster at a show. It came with a slug barrel with rifle sights. It is nice condition but when I got it the firing pin was broken. Thus you best check out used shotguns. Gramps old single shot had a broken floating firing pin because it does not spring retract when you close the action. There is a bevel on the extractor that is supposed to push it back but it is rough and apparently does not always work.
@dustinshaw2419
@dustinshaw2419 6 сағат бұрын
Buffering in the Shell also has a pretty big effect on the pattern.
@steverobbins8317
@steverobbins8317 2 сағат бұрын
Nice work as always, Merry Christmas.
@BigDaddyD72369
@BigDaddyD72369 Сағат бұрын
Nice thorough vid man.
@JimAnderson-SWEDISHIRONWORX
@JimAnderson-SWEDISHIRONWORX 3 сағат бұрын
Mickey killing it again! Great video!
@TisiphonesShadow
@TisiphonesShadow 3 сағат бұрын
One thing to remember is that lead buckshot will deform whereas the copper-plated generally does not. This doesn't simply affect accuracy, it can change terminal effect as well.
@Justin-e4c
@Justin-e4c 2 сағат бұрын
I like the fiocchi nickel plated. Also run no. 4 Buckshot in close proximity it's effective.
@charliephillips5085
@charliephillips5085 5 сағат бұрын
I like the info. Thanks. Merry Christmas
@mountainlivin
@mountainlivin 2 сағат бұрын
Another outstanding video. Thanks Mickey!
@mikemclendon4962
@mikemclendon4962 3 сағат бұрын
Mail ordered 2 boxes of " premium " , extended range , buffered , nickel platted , magnum chareged 2 3/4 in. buckshot . With 3 extra pellets incorporated. That's 12 projectiles instead of 9. 25% more 00 buckshot lead . Found to be extremely effective in the swamps of Florida. Many deer and hogs . Watching videos from Panama City Beach FL.
@chuckamdamyd
@chuckamdamyd 3 сағат бұрын
Good information thanks for you willingness to instruct. Merry Christmas MIC &family
@Rsnitrousblue702
@Rsnitrousblue702 2 сағат бұрын
Great video! Appreciate what you're doing!
@nsob8897
@nsob8897 2 сағат бұрын
I like that nice little "ting" the berretta makes when the bolt snaps forward. Gotta love your unique gun sounds. Anyway, now I want to test out the different kinds of buckshot I have on paper. I bought a shit load of 3 inch magnum just for fun but they may be the only thing I have some day so I suppose I should take some time to see how they roll. They're at least decent federal rounds. Give me a headache if I shoot a full tube of them but they're fun. And hey! Merry Christmas everybody.
@timg7627
@timg7627 2 минут бұрын
Good video. The commenters still declaring they need spread or should just use a slug instead of tight patterns completely miss the entire benefit of shotguns for hd. The high probability of One shot stops AND limited over-penetration beyond the target are the exact reasons why tightly patterning buckshot is preferable.
@PulaskiRoad
@PulaskiRoad Сағат бұрын
Great stuff. Merry Christmas.
@wymonwatson1309
@wymonwatson1309 2 сағат бұрын
Rio Royale is usually pretty cheap, and its a decent load, patterns better than most of the cheaper stuff and is loaded up to full power, not watered down crap like s&b is.
@BulletproofPastor
@BulletproofPastor 3 сағат бұрын
Home defense is very close quarters and I think nine, quarter inch projectiles would provide better stopping power with better spread, while all nine going (effectively) through the same hole would exit with enough energy to cause secondary damage to unintended targets. It's something to consider. In the field I want the extra range of the premium loads but in my house, cheap works.
@TomSherwood-z5l
@TomSherwood-z5l 3 сағат бұрын
You def want the sights adjusted for that small pattern stuff if you are gonna use it.
@FSU1HEMI1
@FSU1HEMI1 10 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the video really appreciate all that you do to help people
@RicardoMontanon
@RicardoMontanon Сағат бұрын
Thanks for the vid. Have you tested Horty ammo yet for buckshot?
@SigmaSheepdog
@SigmaSheepdog 2 сағат бұрын
Great video! I have a lot of experience with the LE127 ammunition from years past, but it appears that the wad has been changed since then. The older LE127 would never pattern that good. I'm going to purchase a case of the current production LE127 and do some testing with shotguns that I have.
@cooper57m
@cooper57m 5 сағат бұрын
You made the point for choosing a load that speads when you used the Shockwave. Shooting at the head you shot to the right, yet still hit the target. Had you used the Flite Control round, you might have missed.
@AndrewSzekely
@AndrewSzekely 59 минут бұрын
excellent practical demo
@jkucukov
@jkucukov 4 минут бұрын
I wonder if you can load your own cheap S&B buck shell with the added suitable wads to get similar performance of the Federal shell (Czech Match).
@ghostshadow9046
@ghostshadow9046 8 минут бұрын
A rifled shotgun barrel will cause shot to spread out faster. with cylinder choke have a spot light not flood that almost perfectly matches my shot spread, at short range round basicly hits like a fragmenting slug. the flight control wad is to make the round effective at LONGER range, most in home defense is going to be VERY SHORT range. Local store had federal 000 buck for $3.99
@rickycollard9715
@rickycollard9715 16 минут бұрын
The only difference being is the premium shot has a stiff wadding that won't spread and the cheap buckshot has a flimsy watting that Act like a parachute And falls away quicker You can also get the exact same results with a cut shell Is massive damage in one spot
@talega1
@talega1 Сағат бұрын
Good vid. How is the Federal def any better than a slug at 10yd? BTW those Fed def. I have never seen in stores.... They sell a lot of mil 00 shells green w black base
@brianscustomcanvas1911
@brianscustomcanvas1911 9 сағат бұрын
Great video, well explained and yes in up state NY as we text.... Friggin 4°😳😬 oh and the other day good chat on holsters. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
@wolfman2702
@wolfman2702 5 сағат бұрын
Minus 8 near Lockport NY yesterday morning.
@DolphScreamingSax
@DolphScreamingSax 52 минут бұрын
I like your presentation style !! Cool. Good info.🙂
@OFLHLGZ28
@OFLHLGZ28 4 минут бұрын
What part of the country are you in? Just curious weatherwise…. I’m in Maryland and we’re having the same coldness….. It’s kept me from going to the range.
@samwilliams1142
@samwilliams1142 3 сағат бұрын
I handload, there are different types of buckshot. With self cast buckshot use magnum pistol alloy that contains some antimony will make it harder.
@ronaldbobeck9636
@ronaldbobeck9636 2 сағат бұрын
Pistols put holes in people, Rifles put holes through people and 12 Ga. Shot guns take parts off. Our firearms instructor in training to be a Correction Officer.
@Mike-vv8sp
@Mike-vv8sp 2 сағат бұрын
I was just wondering what you are using for a flashlight mount on the Mossberg 500?
@hondasaurusrex6998
@hondasaurusrex6998 5 сағат бұрын
Very informative video. Simple, dont use hunting loads for self defense, well one can if must. Thanks Mickey and stay safe.
@triumphant39
@triumphant39 6 сағат бұрын
I keep a special reserve of some s&b, but it’s not the one you have here. It’s the version with 12 00 pellets. I more or less agree with you here but when we’re talking about close range, you of course want a little spread, if you were outside or in a very large room, you’d definitely want a choke, and more controlled shot.
@MrZachzippo
@MrZachzippo 29 минут бұрын
I'm curious what the standard federal buckshot would do. I understand that that is is some sort of shotcup/wadding.
@bc30cal99
@bc30cal99 4 сағат бұрын
Good morning from south central BC. Since our federal government doesn't value our lives up here, we cannot lawfully carry sidearms in the mountains for protection against predators - thus we see a whole lot of short shotguns. Having worked on a few over the years, I tell people to pattern whatever it is they intend to use. Actually we mostly run slugs and even then some brands and barrels seem to get along better. Stay safe out there all, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
@bobwilson758
@bobwilson758 3 сағат бұрын
Excellent video , sir ! Thank you -
@johnochicago8457
@johnochicago8457 12 сағат бұрын
I really like Federal HST for semi-auto's. I like them for Shotguns my 870 Tactical.
@dansu3586
@dansu3586 4 сағат бұрын
Great video. Not sure if I missed that, what is price per round for these two? If shooting inside house at 5 yards you can use any load, even a bird shot, still would work fine.
@CarryTrainer
@CarryTrainer 4 сағат бұрын
Price are always on flux, as for "you'll be fine" that's planning for an event that you have very little control of, and that isn't planning at all.
@sixonegfour2719
@sixonegfour2719 13 сағат бұрын
Great day on the land & always Great information 💪✅
@Mark-qq7io
@Mark-qq7io 7 сағат бұрын
Man quit rambling and show your video 7:33
@patwalsh2868
@patwalsh2868 10 сағат бұрын
Thanks Mikey !!!! You taught me a lesson , thank you !!! I’m trying to remember the name of shells bought during Covid , can’t wait to check it out !!! Thanks again !!!! Happy Holidays to You and Your Loved Ones ❣️🙏🍀🎄🎄🎄☃️ from Commy CT. 💥💥🔫🇺🇸
@johnsimms818
@johnsimms818 4 сағат бұрын
I just found and subscribed to your channel i too love my shotguns and now i find you like right handed very little in my right eye so i shoot long guns left hand 😊
@Bsquared1972
@Bsquared1972 46 минут бұрын
Great video, never seen this demonstration before. Definitely gives me something to think about,m and I need to get out there and pattern my shotgun! Stay well in the People's Republik of Illinois! Subscribed!
@427Ron
@427Ron 2 сағат бұрын
That was a great video with good information
@davisgeorgemoye9689
@davisgeorgemoye9689 2 сағат бұрын
How does the sleeved 00 buck compare to a slug in accuracy and energy transfer?
@semichiganandy2127
@semichiganandy2127 2 сағат бұрын
Than you for a very interesting and useful video.
@TAT.357
@TAT.357 2 сағат бұрын
Nice video! You got my subscription! Convinced me to go get some federal copper jacketed buck I have mine loaded 2 federal bb shot than 00 buck (rio) than a number4 buck than back to 00 buck you think that’s effective or should I go all buck? I’ve heard mixed reviews to load bird buck and I’m knew to home defense so any advice is appreciated!
@rodneymoore7270
@rodneymoore7270 50 минут бұрын
@2:00 My first says Montgomery Wards on the reciever .... it is in reality a Mossberg 500 and yes indeed it still rocks reliably and is loaded in the closet with 12 buck and slugs with a strap FULL of reloads. Back when I qualified as a security officer I shot off my tac loads that were decades old and BLEW AWAY TARGETS RELIABLY!!!!
@mikepoindexter3472
@mikepoindexter3472 5 сағат бұрын
I would want a pattern in between the two. I will be testing different wads with my 000 buck home cast balls. thanks
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