BUDGET $200 {Mono Blue} vs. $15,000 {The Deck} | MTG Old School Magic Battle {Video 1 of 3}

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[@xackwithanx5783]

I don't think Daniel is intentionally cheating, just misplaying. When you only care about card value, and not card text it happens.

[@joel.lallier]

I think it is intentional; it's not just one mistake. He is violating fundamental rules throughout the entire match. It's not as if the misplays are related to niche edge cases and bizarre card interactions. This just sets a bad example. There is no need to justify or make excuses for this.

[@joshswanstrom5849]

Did anyone else notice that at 8:50 he played two lands on the same turn? Library and strip mine.

[@millennialmoney2281]

He was cheating the whole game

[@MadolcheGabbana]

@@millennialmoney2281 That's what the pros do. (Ex KDE Judge for YuGiOh and in to competitive TCG scenes for MTG, etc.) All the people who consistently get top 8s, you...think they're just "lucky"? That good at piloting? No. They just don't get caught. And it could of been honest, genuine misplay. I guess ultimately, this is why Judges are used.

[@millennialmoney2281]

@@MadolcheGabbana but you're not really a pro if you cheat

[@MajorG13]

@@millennialmoney2281 unless you’re a professional cheater lol

[@staterazor5441]

Man , imagine the lawless wild west days of kitchen magic with no rule books or internet haters to correct you

[@user-gw8kh1dx4c]

There's a guy who I bought a stronghold set off of who runs a MTG business, and has been playing since alpha, and as someone who only started playing in the last few years, I asked what the alpha/beta days were. He tried to explain to me the mindset of the TRUE old school. The era of staying up all night at the cottage with your cousins. Or building a deck with the dual land you found to beat your friends at the lunch table days. He told me that among most casual people he ever played with at the time, you would literally hear "why would I spend 50 bucks on a black lotus when I can get mana from other cards and still have money leftover to buy card packs and snacks with!!". Also that packs were extremely scarce and hard to find before unlimited, and the general interest was in finding them/starter decks as opposed to singles for most people. I asked him if he thinks a lot about all the profit he missed out on and he basically said "though I would absolutely love to be able to go back and have the better financial security, the naiviety about that sort of thing was what made that era of the game so special and impossible to ever recreate/re-experience. It was the most fun I've had in all the decades of being involved with MTG."

[@NateLinehan666]

Awesome story. I started playing when Fallen Empires came out and feel the same way, though I had the advantage of reading Duelist magazine for tips on deck construction, which most of my friends didn’t bother reading.

[@PlumpHotdog]

I STILL play that way, I never go to tournaments or events because the "Magic" of the game is lost with the whole pay-to-play mindset these days. The most fun you'll have is straight up tabletop games with friends. I started around Mirage or Visions (can't remember which) so I've been around a while, my advice to anyone just coming into this world is to find some friends that play or convince some to start and just have a game night. You'll have 100% more fun

[@joel.lallier]

There were literally pocket sized rule books included in every starter deck. What do you mean "no rule books"?

[@metuselahjones6905]

I remember it well, and miss it

[@Rabid_Wombat]

Please give us a List for the Mono Blue deck!

[@mattk8578]

Great video. I am a big fan of budget decks and I think budget decks are under appreciated especially in the legacy and vintage formats. The valuable cards get the hype, but there are card interactions and card combos in budget decks that can completely shut down prominent vintage and legacy decks.

[@stealthbee87]

I cannot stand people who play cards before tapping their mana.

[@JasperJanssen]

It’s not *really* a huge problem, in general, these days, because mana abilities are no longer interrupt speed, and you’re effectively paying the mana as part of announcing the spell, and just because you can’t physically do both simultaneously, you have to do them in sequence - and it doesn’t really matter in which sequence. But it’s still a bad habit and one I’ve pretty much trained myself out of.

[@Thynqikan]

@@JasperJanssen I honestly agree with Brandon. It is just sloppy and ultimately lends itself to cheating.

[@lucylightbringer]

That snap as he places the cards down is giving me PTSD

[@Lovinstevens]

Is it just me or was this game just brutal to watch, just awful. I'd like 16min of my life back now.

[@twitchster77]

Danial reminds me of my kitchen table casual friends. It's not that their cheating...it's just that they don't really know what they're doing.

[@paulm.1788]

Spell Blast is underrated....huge chunk of old school decks have cards with cmc 0 and 1.

[@Xzendren]

Time walking to draw 1 and play a fellwar. Okay.

[@kenpachiyugioh1804]

Maze of Ith would have been untapping the Factory, which could then be used for mana or to pump the Factory that's still attacking

[@mantislazuli]

4:05 Spell Blast can counter 0 mana artifacts and 1 mana spells at low cost (and doesn't require double blue mana), can be better than Power Sink late game since your not dependant on how much mana your opponent has behind, but you can't force them to tap all their mana. It's not better / worse than Power Sink, it simply has different uses.

[@tcurrid8059]

Love the “play library, only have 7 draw, play a strip mine”. Judge!!!

[@ninedimes9963]

8:19 Daniel is a massive cheater! first he draws a second card with his tome with no manna. Next he uses his Library of Alexandria to draw another card (he could not have drawn had he not cheated with the tome) Than he cheats again by playing a strip mine, his second land of the turn !

[@FinalManaTrigger]

Not to mention using copy artifact on a LAND. Mishra's Factory is only an artifact creature for the purposes of attacking. It says directly on the card that it is still a land.

[@vintagemagic]

Nine Dimes u can copy the factory when it is a creature it then becomes a mishra factory land and has its abilities

[@vintagemagic]

Nine Dimes yes, misplayed that, ouch!

[@gumgod126]

This is basically kitchen table magic, and they are both playing pretty sloppy. i.e. At 14:00 he should use psi blast before the opponent (Daniel) discards. The cleanup step is after moving to EOT. If Daniel counters the psiblast he doesn't have to discard as many.

[@vintagemagic]

Gumgod someone gets it!

[@IIIIRokzIIII]

Great vids, running budget vs expensive is a great idea to show people how they can come into old school and still be viable. What shits me is all the people in comments claiming misplays and cheating, pull ya heads in fools they are playing for fun if you even remember what FUN is?

[@vintagemagic]

IIIIRokzIIII yeah it was an early morning after long night. And we are just hanging out. Chill out. But people will hate, and look at the real message of the video. Thanks for the comment and positivity!!!

[@Tycone21]

Claiming that you're trying to show how good a budget deck can be is pointless when you don't even follow basic rules of the game, let alone making misplays every other turn.

[@vintagemagic]

Tycone21 EVERY turn...you must be serious...are you a MTG Judge?

[@IIIIRokzIIII]

Tycone21 is just an elitist punk kid that thinks they are better than others. This ain't the Pro Tour you turkey. Your 'type' is the reason people probably don't put vids up of their games. So many critics and 'pros' that hide behind a monitor and keyboard.

[@stompingpeak2043]

Tycone21 have you ever heard of fun or home rules? I used to play with different rules all the time for the soul purpose of fun...

[@andreofawesome8848]

Very cool to see these oldschool decks in action. Please do more vids like this.

[@mrmann7459]

proof! having the money and the power 9 doesn't make you good at magic......

[@johncosimo4261]

The guy on the left is actually playing magic the one on the right is parading the cards he owns... He cannot play at all. Cheating playing library and strip in the same turn and more... meh.

[@jordionly82]

and copying a mishra's factory with the copy artifact... and not untaping his "maze of ithed" factories...

[@MadolcheGabbana]

4:04 oh wow, actual ...meta discussion and tech theory. I see you Daniel. I see you.

[@andrewlaverghetta715]

I don't think I could play vintage. Like it's fun to watch and hear them talk through their turns, but it's just a lot of playing by yourself whenever I've seen it lol

[@ultraviolentkingofthedeath4817]

Andrew Laverghetta its not vintage its old school format

[@solomongrundeyy4149]

using tome without paying or discarding cards? what kinda mess?

[@gomcse]

I think Collectors Edition is the future. I also agree CE/IE should be tournament legal. Card backs and corners don't matter anymore when you consider double-sided cards now, and it's not a reprinted group of cards. Daniel, for your opponent...it's "AnCEStral," not "AncesTREALL." Fun video! My favorite format. I wish more people would play it, even with homemade proxy cards (we allow that in San Diego).

[@simoncph]

Wow! This is almost the worst played Mtg match - like ever. Impressive dudes :)

[@jamesfowler206]

Daniel would never purposely cheat. Even if he did; he would never upload it to his channel (think about it, a cheater knows he cheated so why would he upload it? Great video Daniel! -James (6 years and 45 days sober today)

[@vintagemagic]

James Fowler lol true. We had a long night...and played early morning, yeah errors are inevitable!!!

[@pedrobronze]

Guess he activated 2 factories with 1 mana...

[@MrSuperlollo]

With a 15k deck you should be Winning by turn 3

[@leonardokula5742]

That's what I was thinking... guy played islands, factory and psionic blast... the other had like 15 cards on the board including power nine and didn't do much tbh, ended up drawing half his deck and killing with factories.

[@ralfxephon1]

I Saw old Magic stuff and suscribed immediatly, greetings from México !!

[@vintagemagic]

thank you again! enjoy the videos!

[@andyh5300]

tomb vs tome. Jayemdae tomE. no tombs involved or why not just call cards whatever sounds awkward or cool as you choose?

[@natebullington6217]

What is the decklist for the Mono Blue?

[@FrankRoflf]

The easy play LoA, draw a card, play stripmine line. I should do that as well!

[@jaskiniamestwa]

I don't play Magic, so scrolled to 10-12 minute, looked at the table and wondered.....shouldn't it be over by now?

[@jamiesmith3600]

Strip Mine is restricted, but yeah, might as well put 4 black lotus in there too LOL

[@bradysutton5242]

Playing with 15,000 dollar cards, snaps them like those little clappers you can get at the dollar store

[@mantislazuli]

2:00 Just play Fellwar stone here, don't play your Time Walk right away

[@MTGDeckmasters]

The guy on the left has a nice playmat 😏

[@sashashames6238]

Stick to finance. This was one of the worsed played games of Magic I've ever witnessed.

[@calebhubbard3994]

I'm going to beat a dead horse by saying Daniel did misplay a good portion of the match and with that,you can't legitimately compare a 15k deck against a $250 deck when the more expensive deck doesn't only have massive card power advantage, but has misplays to benefit him as well. That being said, it happens. Hey, at least he doesn't have cards in lap or Mana weave like the "pros" do these days. But it is a fact that the more money you put in your deck in it's respective format, you ARE statistically more likely to win. That's why specific cards are more expensive than others; because they are effective and they win games more.

[@intuit13]

not always true. not by a long shot. Old school white weenie? Standard mono red decks? USUALLY true, sure... but only up to a certain point/amount. Like, in modern once you have about $5-600, if all you care about is winning and not what deck you play, it wouldn't matter if your budget was $1500. There are decks at 5-600 that are pretty much top tier. Standard right now has mono blue that's like 1/3-1/4 as expensive as most other tier 1 decks.

[@intuit13]

and if I built a $3,000 non-foiled modern deck I think I'd have a hell of a time winning a single match at a tourney. :)

[@jimjohnson7931]

Honestly can't beliebe how long your guys' decks take. . . I mean, non-type two unrestricted you should be able to win within maybe 5 turns. . . .

[@danielvandergeest5176]

Haha you dont knowthe format then or how "the deck" works

[@turdferguson3091]

Budget....250. Sounds legit

[@grumpchong]

Beyond the first or second turn Black Lotus starts to lose it's power I think. The more mana you have on the table, the less important that 3 boost is. At the same time playing Ancestral Recall too early can cause you to discard cards because you don't yet have the mana to play them. As far as which card is "more powerful" It depends on what stage of he game you're in. Since the switch happens fairly early I would go with Ancestral.

[@elymolloy8333]

wow the deck with all the $ in it won... what a surprise.....

[@iirgendsonTyp]

20 Lands and 0 damage xD

[@appleipodtouch2g]

Maybe i’m ignorant, but it seems like it took a long time to create a win condition. My $100-$130 eldrazi deck wins faster

[@otterotter7603]

What are the deck lists?

[@lennyt.5475]

hey gus.. can u tell us your decklists? thx

[@joel.lallier]

Give Steven a fair chance and stop misplaying. He is already at a huge disadvantage going into the match if you consider the value of each deck.

[@Fusspilzsammler1]

Decks worth 15000 bucks. No money left for a propper table.

[@stevenspinazzola6759]

If collectors edition is made legal to play, shouldn't Artist proofs be legal ?

[@intuit13]

no.

[@shakingbabies5ever397]

*riffles 15k old school deck*

[@eddiei5589]

U cant play library and stripmine the same turn

[@mappy8219]

Am i the only one that is annoyed with people that snap EVERY card they play down regardless of the price of the cards?

[@robertboles247]

What is that life counter being used? Im not familiar with it.

[@RetroPillowcase]

robertboles247 jaces toy chest on etsy

[@_donny_9473]

Good game. Solid win with those factories, looking forward to seeing what Steven's deck and do still.

[@konqu3rthe1st80]

everyone complaining about cheating with tome don't even realize that strip mine is restricted

[@intuit13]

In old school? I didn't think it was. Chaos orb and collectors edition are also legal in old school.

[@opticdraco5789]

Wow loved the video. It's weird to see all the old cards and wondering if we could get a deck list for the budget deck

[@MadCowMusic]

It's actually really hard to commentate your game while playing so I'm impressed.

[@jibulous1]

"Ances-tree-al" "Jadum Toom" Holy crap I hate the way people mispronounce names of cards.

[@christophermoreno7992]

This is the best video u have done keep it up ... Like to more of these and maybe with other famous magic people too would be awesome

[@pleravens]

you forgot to pay to animate those factories so many times...it was infuriating.

[@xp5989]

that deck needs more finders less acelerators and more combo dealers like oath of druids ,tinkerer more tutors more control with FoW and mana drain, factories are to play artifact build with the trini no on that deck, you can also play the thendrils with yagmoth but not all that acelerator card you are losing to mutch power, play mana drain no counterspell you have money to do

[@princelorian]

I have no idea whats going on most of the time, but it's still fun to watch.

[@paull9903]

Wow Dan Chang's final form What tier-1 speed.. Considering you run powers. It should be turn 2 or turn 3 OTK. You should just stick to buying. Lol

[@MrThejuzam]

stopped the vid after no spell blast on anc.

[@gumgod126]

He did at least spell blast the lotus that was played just after, but yeah I paused it and came to the comments too.

[@highestcarrot]

Same

[@TheVnholy]

no reason to watch after that, youre deck is worth 25 dollars and you dont even know how to play it. i dont want to develop bad habits by watching scrubs.

[@chrisperciavalle3142]

I'm not too far into the video, but I really like how you guys are discussing cards and why they see play over others, and some of your plays, like how he mentioned possibly tutoring for library. It's educational which I like. Daniel rocking Chronicles cities?

[@Collectordisorder]

WTF is a JayDem Tomb!?!?!?

[@godfireprime]

Why is daniel pronouncing tome as tomb? I guess old school doesnt mean a school for education.

[@joshualynn9337]

What's those sleeves ?

[@jRR1t]

Cheat at @8:50: playing library and strip mine in 1 turn?

[@jimjohnson7931]

I'd like to see how phyrexian processor would. Do in your old-school deck.__:;;;://I remember when lotus' were between 1-3 hundred and back then I NVR even seen a graded magic card

[@intuit13]

no one graded magic cards in early 1994 (when lotus was around that much). I remember beta being more expensive than alpha, though ($335 alpha lotus / $375 beta lotus), since alpha wasn't tournament legal

[@taylorwisner422]

Are those double sleeved inside your vintage sleeves?

[@vintagemagic]

Taylor Wisner it's an over sleeve, regular sleeve and oversleeve.

[@Wolfenmedic65d]

I guess they don’t want us to have the budget deck list

[@eg2jdm]

AND YOU'RE RIFFLING THE DECK!?!?

[@princelorian]

Protocrab Garage theyre probably all damaged cards anyway and its not like he doesnt have hundreds of them

[@KSechrist]

@3:20 why not spell blast the ancestral? When are you getting a better payoff? He wouldn't have had the lotus w/o the ancestral resolving.

[@KSechrist]

@8:39 you had drawn for the book @8:23 and took the 1pt of damage. You didn't have mana to draw both books.

[@KSechrist]

@12:42 he didn't pay for both factories.

[@baker3254]

Powersink is good early game, Spellblast is great in the late game.

[@KabukiKid]

Power Sink also does tap out their mana and that can be significant to open you up on your turn. (Especially in a format without Force of Will.)

[@FailasaurusRex]

how are you about to shuffle a 10-15k deck like, even if you have the money like whhat are you doing

[@DNA-DNB]

this is so strange to watch...just drawing cards is no real strategy and you dont win that way...

[@naomisalama430]

I'm sure you get this a lot, but it's t-"oh"-me not t-"oopmf"-me. It's so tilting misspronounciation :D And it makes me think there's a card called tomb I'm not aware of. T-"oh"-me, okay?

[@JasperJanssen]

He’s using Cyclopean Tomb to draw cards.

[@lastofusclips5291]

they play a lot of tomb raider.

[@PureGosu]

you may be a good investor in magic but ur not a good player, u drew twice from tomb without lands for it once then u played 2 lands in a turn

[@vintagemagic]

PureGosu yeah it was a long day, sorry bad misplay!

[@chrisbreen7550]

Not to mention he obviously looked at the sedcond card in the beginning

[@JasperJanssen]

The Deck seems to be a very budget implementation. White bordered Factory, City, Tome... jeez. I mean, Power and duals, having those white bordered is one thing...

[@naomisalama430]

White border is underrated ;) also because his sleeves have white background I think the white borders fit nicely

[@JasperJanssen]

Jami Salama speaking as some who last played really seriously during 6th, I have an irrational prejudice against white borders. However, I have to say that although my nostalgia is for 4th Edition, I didn’t really start liking the look of white border until sixth or so.

[@greeneking77]

Yeah when I run a white border it has to be an all white border deck in white sleeves. No mixing borders or non matching sleeves.

[@Lunarian300]

Any zoo deck would anihalte these decks even in standard

[@NatePrawdzik]

Jaim-day-tome.

[@janshanel3832]

Islands in budget deck don't look budget :DDD

[@hosersupreme]

Why can no one pronounce "tome"? It sounds like "home".

[@JasperJanssen]

The Tomb is a very different card from the Tome.

[@jibulous1]

Drives me crazy.

[@gislo]

09:00 playing two lands

[@metuselahjones6905]

Playing Strip Mine like a spell LOL

[@evilsmith957]

Learn how play maze of ith it untap creature removes it from combat

[@greeneking77]

Thanks please do more!

[@steffensgary]

Daniel, you missed using the Mishra he untapped to give the other one +1/+1, three times.

[@moanamana3907]

8:20 Three draw cards :/ ... One more cheat.

[@honkingthechickenaway5973]

200$ is budget? you can get a complete top tier deck in other tcg at that price

[@Noobly9730]

8:44 library + stripmine in the same turn?!?!?

[@vintagemagic]

Noobly9730 lmao oh my God that was wrong...I think it was too early

[@ragnars69]

What is up with the guy on the right? Using proxies/fake cards and talks about prices but does not tap mana.

[@urethanejunkeez2350]

Daniel cheated. He played library and strip the same turn lol

[@Netsonar69]

Is it just me or is it wrong to play a 15k deck on a makeshift table? 😊

[@vintagemagic]

YeOldeBassist desperate times, desperate measures

[@joel.lallier]

"Deckbroke"

[@garyExposMtl]

I like these videos. It shows that to be competitive, you need expensive cards. The old school game is out of reach for 99.99 + % of the population.

[@EdwintheMagicEngineer]

Not true! Budget decks DO win even against The Deck. I posted a blue budget deck on my channel that's completely capable of taking down the deck. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHfYlYOoZ9V6iJI

[@antoniocrivello8395]

minchia menz"ura!!!!!!!!

[@Mirrodin82]

Back when mtg was fun. New editions suck

[@Sonnyandersen1985]

Since when is 200 dollars Budget 😅

[@jonathanheiden3411]

It just goes to show that banning cards, kills aspects of the game. Bring it back to classic rules. Only one rule, no more than 4 of one card in any deck. When my shop gets oppened, I'm bringing it back. All cards allowed in Commander too. Miss primeval Titan. Magic is supposed to be competitive, and those that wine, oh it's too powerful of a card, go buy the card. If can't afford it, there are approximately 10,000 other cards that can save you. I miss old school magic. The formats today are killing the mood of the game.

[@intuit13]

have fun with your turn1 format, lol

[@intuit13]

SUPER fun when every game ends on whoever's on the play's turn1. And that would be LITERALLY - not how ppl joke about vintage , since most vintage games go 2+ turns.

[@JakeYoloxD]

Chaos orbbb :D