bug: push cart = walk into the enemy spawn room

[@polecat3]

Highest budget bug reporting

[@arandomcommenter412]

Budget: literally just this guys time.

[@DocSauce-dl5gg]

@@arandomcommenter412 you are acting like the limited time of our mortal lives is cheap

[@arandomcommenter412]

@@DocSauce-dl5gg How much do you value your life?

[@DocSauce-dl5gg]

@@arandomcommenter412 life is my ticket to heaven I just need to take the chance

[@bokkun-rlt]

@temirlan fr bruh like fr fr fr🗿

[@stavvik2217]

Well, now I won't have to use engineer to telefrag people into spawn on x1000 highertower, I can just hold their hand and walk into the spawn room because we're best friends and best friends are allowed in each other's spawn rooms.

[@lanfour4444]

Strangely wholesome.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

You do have to push the cart to hold hands, so you and your friend might get kicked.

[@stavvik2217]

@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 nah, it's highERtower, surprisingly the bigger the tower the less people will be angered about you pushing the cart or even capping. I mean, it's x1000, what are you playing to win for?

[@eden3669]

@@stavvik2217 honestly capping on x1000 highertower is an achievement, you gotta find a way to keep people from just using winger + force-a-nature from repeatedly rocketing up there and trying to knock you off

[@stavvik2217]

@@eden3669 it's not a permanent solution, but Darwin's Danger Shield sniper works wonders against the pesky scout horde

[@1thevm1]

There's a reason why back in TFC spawn rooms had a failsafe uberturret that'd gib you in seconds if you somehow bypassed the door and got inside.

[@SchemingGoldberg]

Yeah, I loved playing pl_badwater in TFC. Fun times.

[@SlimbTheSlime]

Honestly the best method imo. None of these spawn glitches would matter if they kept the turrets as a redundant measure.

[@joltz..2042]

​@@SlimbTheSlime I mean, a simple fix would be to block you from entering the spawn if you don't have a team collision.

[@gl1tchygreml1n]

​​@@SlimbTheSlime Plus I'm sure the players would love having an additional prop to circle around and laugh at! ("RED GO BACK TO SPAWN AND LAUGH AT THE CEILING TURRET" anyone?)

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@joltz..2042 Or just don’t let you enter spawn regardless if you’re in the enemy team AND not remove your collision in the first place…….

[@BoxxieBoxolotl]

You're effectively fusing red and blu into the purple team, giving them universal access to both teams. It's why the Administrator wears purple.

[@nigeladams8321]

In the world of TF2 you don't have the access cards you have dyed clothing

[@glasses7190]

Deep lore

[@PixelBrushArt]

Real

[@HankJWimbleton-v1m]

Why does this sounds so familiar to me?

[@Sypaka]

Magnificent idea! *laughs in french* Time for a littel chateau le backstab in there.

[@Misuune]

I was hoping this would remain a secret, it was quite funny to see reactions of people when they see someone from enemy team in their spawn room just chilling. But I'm not gonna talk about the reaction that involves killing the poor guy who spent like few minutes trying to get in without being murdered.

[@olivetho]

imagine going in the pier party room and seeing a red player in there

[@drunkdrag0n]

@@olivetho I saw a Red engineer build a full nest in there; completely ruined his team's chances of defence as Blue had moved past that spawn so Red were just having a party instead. Was quite funny to get to the end and realise half of our team are baffled as to where Red had gone.

[@sundaddy1077]

Imagine doing this as spy

[@bugjams]

This is just extremely deep TF2 lore about how the RED and BLU team are actually stronger together. When borders such as "team color" are removed, we can truly go anywhere. It's a subtle message about how war is terrible and the never-ending feud between Redmond and Blutarch is pointless. Truly, the TF2 devs were ahead of their time.

[@SyntaxGacha]

haha funny minigun goes brrrrrrr

[@OzielTheServal]

a War Without what?

[@Narser612]

​@@OzielTheServal A war, a War Without Reason.

[@defunct5733]

Mercenaries of the gravelpit, unite! You have nothing to lose but your stalemates!

[@ChipDrewPog]

2:31 Heavy Corpse carrier confirmed for the May update

[@Sypaka]

Those are the two heavys from "Ceno0's Pootis Engage" xDD

[@breadmilkYT]

Breaking through the team exclusive barrier using the power of friendship

[@wanderingmarshadow]

"Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts; and on a personal note: I am very, *very,* disappointed with you."

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

And a bomb!

[@greenhead352]

this is defenitley me when i push cart to walk into enemy spawn room.

[@seanathonhooper]

So true

[@pawlo-qk8tg]

What.

[@lostskull7467]

You won't lie, would you?

[@legoshi6531]

Crazy how such an old game is still having new bugs found out...

[@uis246]

You haven't seen what speedrunners doing

[@Dribbleondo]

...Is that weird?

[@deylyncruz2749]

I remember doing spawncamp with heavy using this very exploit in hightower, i think delfy found it 2 yrs ago

[@markveiermann4836]

Even longer, it's been known about for years, I made a video about it in 2017 (which is now private). It's not widespread because of how hard it is to replicate

[@uis246]

@CALOKIFILM oh no, scary word

[@TheArtOfGriefing]

Yeah, that's a really old bug which spawned some exploit videos ~6 years ago. Kind of pointless to fix cause it happens very rarely, and you need a 4-man team to properly abuse it. As another comment mentioned, a player being inside of another player from the opposite team universally breaks something, which allows anyone on the server to enter anyone, so you could set up 2 players passing into each other on one side of the map, while 2 other players break into a respawn on the other side. Also, this works without the cart, you can do this glitch on weird specific displacements, there are a few known spots to do this. At the small ammo pack on one of the hoodoo stages directly in front of the first checkpoint; cp_mountainlab, at the very corner of the map near a gate in front of a large truck near blue respawn. There probably are some more spots that nobody remembers anymore, cause it's such an ancient bug. It seems to work only on public servers, you just have 1 player stand in the correct place and another rub against them until voodoo magic happens. Sort of like the new displacement glitch that is going around right now, where you can just walk into a wall for no reason.

[@biIl]

why do you need 4 people? 3 would be enough?

[@irregularassassin6380]

@@biIl My guess would be the voodoo player noclipping does not equal team ID stripping. From OP's description it sounds like all players can clip into each other, but not through blocking geometry. Thus, the second pair must merge bodies to walk through the spawn door. I have no idea, but that's what I imagine OP is describing.

[@TheArtOfGriefing]

Yeah that's it pretty much. You can find it on youtube and see how it was done if you look up "tf2 behind enemy lines", that's what the exploit was named, if my explanation was confusing

[@stefan-x9g]

Perfectly timed, like a few hours ago while playing tf2 an enemy medic just randomly entered our spawn and I was so confused.

[@strangejune]

prepare for your examination

[@GermaphobeMusic]

Oh no stepbro, I'm stuck in the opponent's collision box

[@GabrielAKAFinn]

3:19 OUTTA MY WAY SON

[@rhamkin1336]

1:33 Hey thats my map :D

[@fozart-9309]

👍

[@gil_11]

Love the map's vibe

[@kirbymods5549]

funny thing about the cart pushing you inside the enemy: if you shoot a rocket at your feet after you get stuck, it counts as being airborne. I once got a market garden this way

[@diclonius7]

This literally happened to me on frontier recently. Medic ubered me, I rushed the choo choo, enemy heavy got stuck in both me and the medic.

[@purplehaze2358]

Good to see that, in the mass of spaghetti that is the game’s code, sometimes individual noodles are tied into a knot with themselves.

[@HankJWimbleton-v1m]

Accurate

[@bbdanny]

wasn't carts being able to push you into enemies fixed like 7 years ago?

[@The_Distortionist_Waits]

That's using the assumption that anything in TF2 gets completely "Fixed"

[@kyo666oyk]

For real. When I see something fixed in TF2 I always wonder if it actually is or what else it messed up in return. I've seen a lot of "fixed" over the years.

[@estevanvasquez9733]

@@kyo666oyk like the multiple giants bug in the map crasher that was “fixed” like 4 times but still works to this day.

[@greasyclown]

​@@kyo666oyk spaghetti monster took merasmus' "kill me i come back stronger" pills

[@infamoushacker4chan883]

The bug that allowed the final point of a payload map to be detonated early with a weapon clipping through the floor was "Fixed" at least 5 times.

[@JoeyCheerio]

When recording this exploit for my videos, I've noticed that collision between all players in the server breaks as long as at least 1 person is stuck in another which allows anyone to walk into anyone regardless of push forces. Any reason why that might be?

[@thecrazyinsanity]

joey cheerio more like joey coolio

[@invalid_user_handle]

I'm not exactly sure, but I theorise that maybe the game's trying to run the player/player collision code, but it keeps getting stuck because it doesn't know how to handle two players' bounding boxes being inside each-other like that.

[@noskalborg723]

Fascinating. Thank you

[@mrmedic7799]

TF2 has the best bugs try to prove me wrong

[@manender1020]

Goat Simulator

[@belayabelka7326]

The Elder Scrolls series

[@TheErwinator90]

Those are not bugs, they're features

[@manender1020]

@@belayabelka7326 Ultrakill

[@IAmLiterallyArthurMorgan]

like spycrab

[@Tree-lw0]

2:07 you could also do this with lmaobox with no push on and a friend on the enemy team.

[@jmerridew124]

This is my favorite kind of programming solution because nobody noticed it for a crazy amount of time even though it's probably an effect that most people have experienced during a melee fight at the cart.

[@scarabix3D]

My mans out here getting a degree in tf2 spaghetti code. Next thing you'll know he'll be flown to seattle and assigned to a non-tf2 project within the week.

[@Tumbolisu]

One time I activated this bug on accident with some people, as we were waiting for the server to fill up before switching to the actual map we wanted to play. Me and another person from the opposite team walked into the payload and got merged. This strangely resulted in every other person on the server to be able to walk through other people.

[@funnyvalentine4691]

Quide on how to join team PURPL and completely bypass collision with RED and BLU

[@koth_harvest_final]

Lol, this was demonstrated in one of the best Spy fragmovies of all time, litost

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

When an unpootisable force meets an irresistible sandwich.

[@iddsmedingus]

Me on my way to go into the enemy spawn and give them sandwiches

[@sebbes333]

*@shounic* 2:34 Here is a bug for you to look into, it MIGHT be related to the game removing the team collision, or something like that, maybe? Only ONCE in many years of game-play have I experienced this bug. I somehow got the ability to kill ANYONE, from ANY team (yes, my team too), everyone was confused & it was super fun, it should be a new game mode (eg. FFA), or one player is eg. Black color (the Blach Sheep) and has to fight against BOTH teams (like some kind of Double Agent) :D

[@Innuya]

didn't you just describe Saxton Hale?

[@uno2156]

Freak Fortress???

[@bepisman297]

@@Innuya saxton hale is 1 person vs everyone ffa is everyone vs everyone

[@TopGboss04]

spy: well off to visit your mother

[@Enoonb]

The chances of that happening random in a game are astronomically small, at best.

[@patrickgardner2204]

Incoming delfy vid exploiting this bug

[@scout........]

So that explains something that was on my mind for a long time... On trade plaza you could get into the enemy spawn using a bug from command !friendly. When using the command anyone can go through you and no one can kill you. If you were to go to enemy spawn and use a moving taunt, the enemy could stand inside you moving you slowly through the barrier. You would then arrive at the other side and it wouldn't matter if there is a kill zone that checks for opposite team. You can still technically get inside enemy spawn now that the command is gone but the kill zone will kill you.

[@Kris18]

Hopefully if Valve decides to fix this, Valve completely prevent carts from pushing players into each other. Often enough as a Spy player trying to stab people on cart, I get stuck in someone and neither of us can move, because the cart pushed us into each other. This is very annoying.

[@shadekage3432]

You should do a vid on the newly found "snack attack" sapper glitch, lets you block up doors, payloads, and any other moving objects using spys sapper, and specifically the snack attack reskin

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Why?

[@theclingyfox7899]

Damn this is an old one. I never thought I would see this bug on this channel. Fun fact originally this was done/abused by walking in to a player on a displacement who is in a corner (the corner on forward and left of the first blueside spawn of mountain lab is a classic example.) Cool to see this come in to the limelight all these years later.

[@willgander]

Gaben what did you mean by that 😳

[@BalefireBombshell]

Ahh. So this is why those ideas of Spy cloaks that let him walk through players would never work. It'd basically end up letting Spies enter enemy spawns due to the way the collision coding works.

[@fuzzyquils]

THE SPAWN COMPROMISER.

[@tommiskalp5152]

I know about this bug for many years now and recorded it like 3 years ago. I reported the bug but it was never heard by anyone at Valve but now it might finnaly get fixed.

[@livinglie5598]

And this is why turrets exist in the classic game

[@e-kidmanthegamingwizard4903]

I remember finding a similar method to get into enemy spawn on servers that have a "friendly" plug-in by going friendly and having people walk through me and I could get through. Got banned of one server because of it.

[@jonsku6662]

*Gets hydraulic cart-ed into an enemy* "I'm in"

[@lennymclennington]

You can also get stuck inside an enemy player at a specific position in 2fort near blu spawn by just walking into each other, I wonder what causes that. Also, when two players are stuck inside each other that somehow disables all player collisions on the server.

[@alexanderticonuwu7591]

Wait, can you use this as Spy to not bump into people while disguising? Because people push into the cart a lot. Maybe if you try to bump into one of the slower classes pushing like Heavy or Soldier, you can phase into them and pretend to be a teammate?

[@sustenance4422]

This goes out at the same time as Delfy uploaded a way to prevent moving objects (payload cart, sapwndoors) from moving by using a snack attack glitch

[@pokeninjafireemblem]

I'd say this is less a bug and more an unintended consequence, and thus is unlikely to be fixed, since it seems like a toothpick holding up a house of cards

[@Bang_5ang]

Janitor: goddamit, not again.

[@berniespy]

Shounic can you please talk about: Why does every other player’s collision also break when two players are phased Why is there sometimes a lot of resistance when doing this other times there’s not And other ways to do this, I know you can use bananabay train gates and some corners have weird physics allowing two players to collide

[@jimbobmcboberie8521]

this also works on 2fort, as some of the corners in the map allow you to glitch into another players box for some reason

[@VestedUTuber]

A fix I would consider is disabling team-specific collision only when in contact with the cart's colliders, since that seems to be the only situation where it's necessary.

[@WangleLine]

I love to eat bugs

[@AthenaKolva]

good

[@fozart-9309]

i support that

[@NikolasoGames]

You actually don't need a cart to walk into enemy spawn (that's probably just for the title) but yes, it's still basically that you have to mess around with the enviroment or clip into the other guy

[@RitTF2]

Dang, I’m surprised this was only just found..seems like something that would’ve happened by accident a handful of times in the last 15 years or so

[@NxnjaSenpai]

It sounds like the collision detection is looking for the wrong value then. Instead of a red permitted detector checking for if you are blue and preventing pass through, it should be checking for if you are red and allowing pass through. This change would then make this third, neither color assignment a value other than the one it is looking for and prevent pass through. This would also require a lot of reworking code just to patch a bug that only happens when two players of opposing teams cooperate in a very specific game mode. I would argue it's novelty is greater than it's ability to break the game and time should not be spent in patching it.

[@nigeladams8321]

I don't want to be an alarmist or to speak it into existence, but there's a pretty obvious way bots could exploit this and it's terrifying

[@fragmister]

I remember doing this way back then on hightower all of the time.

[@MoistMarsupial]

New hoovy meta just dropped

[@burgerking3763]

If you could somehow coordinate two players into doing this then getting into spawn, they kinda deserve it.

[@beboboi]

I might do this if I can even get out of my spawn because of that snack attack bug

[@TheGhostOfHallownest]

spy with that glitch like:"HAHAHA YA CANT TOUCH ME*stabs*"

[@cringe__6040]

Honestly hope they keep it it's funny

[@theultimatetrashman887]

Ohh, i had this happen a few times, but either one of us didn't consider dragonball fusion and walk in the same direction with the same class

[@LightsJusticeZ]

Can't wait for 2 Cloak and Dagger Spies to do this.

[@eos-g6u]

The more you watch the video, the more you start to understand, how you found the bug in the first place

[@nardast]

Do sentries still shoot you if you're inside someone else?

[@lanfour4444]

I believe so, this system just changes how you collide with stuff, you can't outsmart bullet with that.

[@ultralightjay7793]

this game is held together with shoestring

[@bigg2182]

bro's revealing too many bugs before I can even get my friends on.

[@SoldiesBC]

You can do this on 2fort as well

[@Enigmus]

Oh, i remember messing around with this one. For some reason i thought they fixed it a looong time ago.

[@jange8782]

It was fun having party at enemy spawn in peaceful 2fort server... I miss it

[@whetlygming]

to do this the cart has to still move which stoping only can be avoided by an disguised spy.

[@KimeramonRocks]

2:31 New Halloween misc please. The scout gets a body double and the heavy should too.

[@ozvoid1245]

Can't wait to see this not get patched and TF2bers start using it for the lolz.

[@somedude4087]

well expect this in either delfy or nislt video within days

[@nhpkm1]

Since you have no team collision do close range rockets pass you ?

[@SmoggyLambGG]

_"MEDIC!"_

[@bangbangliu2146]

Can you explain the mechanism behind speedshots? Never made sense why being hit by a rocket on the same tick as landing would cause you to gain shitloads of speed

[@spywannabe]

hey bc im curious. what apps do u use to make your videos? like the demonstratios you make.

[@IMainLuigiInSmashBros]

I wonder how this bug deals with intersecting players trying to use a Teleporter

[@diemarxistischeliga7983]

Mr Newell… 😳

[@flamingscar5263]

time for some spy trolling spawn rooms

[@sleepypurple8371]

War

[@lollermann]

I still don't get why they haven't implemented the system in overwatch where if you do end up in the enemy spawn somehow, as an edge case they made it so you instantly take a gorillion damage and die.

[@Bogosbinte]

Oh god... i just realized if bots get smart enough they could abuse this bug to get into spawns

[@Napert]

Can't this be somewhat fixed by team specific collisions checking if you have its own team collision assigned instead of if you don't have enemy team collision? if (check_collision = friend) {pass} else {block_movement} instead of if (check_collision = enemy) {block_movement} else {pass}

[@Ultimaximus]

It's funny how you specifically have to show what happens when the system is removed, that there's bugs that the systems are there to fix, so that the TF2 bugfixer won't just remove the system without realizing that that'll cause other problems instead

[@GunSpyEnthusiast]

the " 2 players being pushed inside eachother " bug could be fixed if they added a hitbox on players near the cart that just push players back slightly more.

[@kyaban5192]

Gabe dont say that :(

[@trolldier8921]

Oh come On, I discovered it like when payload came out GOD DAMN IT! I LOVED TROLLING

[@HibHab69]

Valve hire this man!

[@P1098-l2i]

Meet the Purple Team

[@william3371]

@Shounic I'm just starting to delve into a deeper introduction of TF2 to my friend; *What would you say is the best example of the "source code spaghetti monster"?*

[@sundaddy1077]

Imagine red demo and blue soldier doing this to troll eachothers teams

[@userPrehistoricman]

In this state, would a cloaked spy be visible due to touching an enemy player or not?

[@gladoseon4117]

How to fix: Have the game ask if you are allowed to pass through, instead of i you aren’t. Example: Normally, the game asks if you are supposed to not walk through a dispenser. If you have the RED tag, then blu dispensers disallow you to walk through them. But with this, it would instead ask if you’re allowed to, so a red dispenser would allow red players. Then, just make it so that you can’t walk through without this tag, and boom, problem should be solved.

[@CiccioImberlicchio]

can you try to do this with a spy and see what happens if a spy tries to stab from inside an opponent?

[@andrewbrehmer9848]

My big question is, how difficult is it to stay in the neutral state, as it looks like the there is almost no wiggle room.

[@capybarinya]

dude made all job for the VALVe

[@someone4229]

Properly fix the physics system 🚫 Add extra spaghetti ✅