medic's cut weapon hiding in plain sight, cut PVE bosses, employee desktops: 2023 leak misc stuff

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[@shounic]

free from the leak jail straight into another jail, to make a video about the update :^) but after that!! i'll be making a video about a spy bug :)

[@AU_Player]

Ok nice

[@thestratposter3515]

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[@_M_]

can not wait for video about update

[@gravidust.2]

More spy bugs, YES!

[@tomak3613]

can't wait :^)

[@NachozMan]

Man that MVM prop with all the little displays and the broken Window had such clean animation work, reminded me of Portal 2 a bit. Real shame they stopped updating MVM entirely.

[@laurenf.7922]

Yeah, clear a lot of love was put into that upgrade station. Also think two of them were supposed to be upgrade stations. Specifically the statue considering the state it is in and the text on the glass, seems like you would see it in the more sandy maps

[@SU76M]

Portal 2, huh? Good obersvation! Such a robotic moves, it's clearly inspirated by Portal 2, and I know why - MvM has been developed since May 2011, so this model must be made in 2011, the same year Portal 2 was released. TF2 devs were intended to make analogue of faith plate from Portal 2 btw (as teleporter variant, but with shorter recharge rate), there's a whole chunk of code that has been simply copypasted from P2.

[@Devils--Advocate]

Well not entirely. They did patch out an infinite money exploit recently.

[@AndrosYang]

Im wondering if mvm was rushed to put hands on another Valve project. Looks like they had a pretty big vision for a PvE gamemode.

[@guardedcobalt276]

The claw machine looks like it would give some kind of random power up when used

[@quiver5756]

Those MVM upgrade props looks so detailed and polished to be cut material. Is kinda sad how they never were included even as static decorations.

[@jockdouglass3824]

"Get the f*ck out of my upgrade station I'm playing Saxton Beat'em up!"

[@christopherm4739]

It was probably to make it simplified. Why go to three different upgrade stations when you could just visit one?

[@ruileite4579]

That tug of war game mode sounds interesting, but also sounds a lot like powerhouse where matches can go on forever

[@thestratposter3515]

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[@JouvaMoufette]

They don't go on forever as much anymore, since there's a timer now

[@thonking7193]

so, like 5CP then as well

[@axmoylotl]

it could just be done like the overwatch version

[@TinyDeskEngineer]

@@JouvaMoufette Why would there even not be a timer in the first place

[@8bitpixelbreakin]

It looks like that "cut" Medic weapon possibly could have been an early model of the Overdose, considering the bundle also includes the Quick-Fix and the Solemn Vow (which completes the set). It's also worth noting that the Overdose and this "cut" weapon have a visible hose on the outside of the weapon, which none of the other syringe guns share.

[@KRUSH-R]

Could be, both the Overdose and the Meet The Medic! Pack were added on the same day, June 23, 2011

[@the_explorer4600]

I think your right! I just noticed that the cut medic looks alot like the overdose!

[@charbway]

hello

[@Nebula_Protogen752]

So it's an early version of the overdoes? Neat!

[@Sam-su3no]

If I remember correctly, it was actually lifted from a community made weapon concept that had been posted

[@mini_k]

as a big RD_Asteroid fan, seeing that more complete robot made me happy, shame the last one doesnt have a finished model

[@JouvaMoufette]

I absolutely fucking miss asteroid

[@vinnae]

Hi rd_asteroid fan. We are a dying species. I loved the game mode and played it all the time when it was easily accessible.

[@Adusakful]

For real robot destruction was just better ctf and asteroid was better 2fort if you wanted to play the gamemode more seriously.

[@robert9016]

I remember back when they rolled out cactuscanyon and asteroid for playtesting. When they ended up completely dropping both maps not long after, with hindsight we can see it did not bode well for the future of TF2

[@dooplon5083]

​@@robert9016 which sucks because Asteroid is one of my favorite maps in the game lol

[@UltraxEmerald]

I hope the community is turning these unused and unfinished maps into finished maps. I'd like to see them in an update.

[@AmelpsXett]

They are unfinished because they're fundamentally flawed...

[@e.g.8018]

Especially nightfall. Double cross is one of my favorite maps because of its nighttime aesthetic. I’d really like to see more maps like it.

[@MenachemSchmuel]

doubtful whether valve wants to risk encouraging further leaks in that way. especially since creators can make money when their content gets included

[@staryoshi06]

Unlikely, most community mapping communities have banned anything based on leaked content and valve would definitely not want to add something that uses it.

[@AmelpsXett]

@@staryoshi06 based on raw leaked content (story, materials, etc.), not just gamemode or layout idea. If someone tries to make tug of war or some maps they didnt make form zero, valve wouldnt care

[@justjunk3803]

I feel like a lot of this content was cut because Valve thought it wasn't a good idea or they simply found a better alternative, as opposed to time/budget constraints. Like putting all the MvM upgrade UI in-world looks cool and all but it might've been a lot more cumbersome to use then a pop-up menu.

[@irregularassassin6380]

The best solution would have been to populate the automat with static models, have it animate when a player walks up, and then present said player with the upgrade UI. Not much different than the alternate resupply cabinets in DeGroot Keep, or that on in the ambulance in (I think) Snakewater.

[@curlybrace4984]

Yeah. Valve is incredibly well known for scrapping entire sections and mechanics for a game if they're just plain bad or not up to snuff. There's entire parts of portal 2 that were just completely scrapped.

[@blurmarsh2265]

@@curlybrace4984 tbf that is less of a Valve thing and more of a game development thing in general, Cutting Room Floor is a good website to see just how much gets cut or left unused out of games sometimes seemingly because it just didn't work out as the devs probably expected

[@curlybrace4984]

@@blurmarsh2265 No, I mean valve especially is willing to cut sooooo much stuff if it's not absolutely perfect in their eyes. Almost no other dev will do that.

[@LittlePawPup]

@@curlybrace4984 Devs do that all the time, its not a valve exclusive thing. Im not sure how true that is in the current AAA Development cycles but cutting content is extremely common, sometimes games get completely scrapped or put back into the concept phase. Sometimes its because devs find out the game as a concept isnt fun, sometimes it can be for completely different reasons (ie Splatoon getting remade from the ground up due to leaks)

[@StickMaster500]

Hopefully if TF2 does get another major update in the future, it incorporates a lot of this cut content

[@thecommunistloli1042]

Raid sounds like an awesome sequel for mvm attacking and breaking the robot's defences could make for a cool gamemode with the bossfights and more variety of enemies

[@davisdf3064]

It's Valve, the moment this got leaked Gabe Newell erased it from the whole company's memory

[@protocetid]

@@davisdf3064 I bet TF2 is so scarcely mentioned inside Valve that everyone hired after Jungle Inferno has never heard of TF2

[@Kitsoonaye]

TF2 is old so i doubt it will get an update like that

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

Yeah, keep dreaming...

[@alexcole9]

It's amazing how they really created a lvl 4 sentry but never released it. I remember watching all the videos and seeing fanart of what the lvl 4 sentry would be like. Gotta say I was not expecting that. This is the best leak to come out from TF2.

[@lavetissene339]

Friggen helicarrier for an ass

[@davisdf3064]

​@@lavetissene339 Oh god, don't say that, you know what people do with TF2 Sentry fanart

[@legojay14]

I hope it causes someone to make a custom engineer weapon that upgrades to that. Like a reverse of the one that gives the mini sentry

[@kellymountain]

@@legojay14 way longer deploy time and less range but more firepower, seems good on paper but could make the turtle engie style even worse unless you can push the sentry or smth

[@InternetLad]

Looks very Portal inspired. Maybe Engi had a internship at Aperture? Lol!

[@godofcows4649]

Your channel is a godsend for tf2 content and game development in general. You're doing good lad!

[@KptKosmit91]

I find that MvM upgrade automat animation oddly satisfying

[@Jontohil2]

Honestly turning cp_nightfall into an actual ctf map looks like a lot of fun.

[@Adrielinz]

Unicorn are real

[@LegoTFGuy]

So cool to see the Level 4 Sentry boss in full 3d after so long of it only existing as an obscure jpeg

[@thefallenprince9929]

Therapist: Lv4 Sentry doesn't exist. It can't hurt you. Lv4 Sentry: 3:55

[@BabzaiWWP]

leave youtube

[@thefallenprince9929]

@@BabzaiWWP no

[@Bon_fyre]

This is something I would genuinely want to see in some potato tf custom server as a really expensive upgrade for your sentry

[@some_body_else3636]

the engineer after having enough of the spies' bs

[@O_violet]

I can’t say I expected a Magic: The Gathering card to be in TF2 files. And yet, here it is. (Akroma, Angel of Fury)

[@bigg2182]

It's cool to look at a game you played alot when younger getting leaked, so that you can watch all the cool things that haven't seen daylight in ages.

[@Reilers]

1:46 Acutally you can see on the taskbar that Valve employees computers use internet explorer for browser so that's something

[@adog3129]

things were different back then huh

[@SU76M]

It's 2006, come on.

[@isabellegrimes9366]

@@SU76M Most of the achievements were added after the game came out, those Spy ones are probably from 2008 at the earliest

[@The_Mister_E]

I wonder what Wikipedia article they were looking at, and more importantly why. At a glance it seems to involve something about Santa Fe, CA. But why are we looking at that while designing spy assets? DOES SPY OWN A HOUSE IN SANTA FE?

[@adog3129]

@@The_Mister_E if it was an article for santa fe, they probably wanted reference images

[@SolarLight]

i want to charge at the boss sentry

[@thebushbros6626]

knight_mini

[@some_body_else3636]

most logical demo knight main (also hi solar light!)

[@alternativewalls4988]

Damn, there's more potential in unused tf2 assets than in any modern AAA game

[@staryoshi06]

I promise you any long-service game has just as much unused stuff sitting in a depot somewhere.

[@theosw6961]

3:53 It looks like they used a Magic card as a reference for the unused boost card

[@theheavyfromteamfortress2723]

Some of the bosses look pretty cool.

[@thestratposter3515]

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[@caramelldansen2204]

Demoman with a cylinder for a head is truly an inspired choice.

[@funnyvalentine4691]

​@@caramelldansen2204 The lad fuckin did it, he turned himself into a soup can, funniest shit I've ever seen

[@isaakwelch3451]

Makes me want a mvm attack mode

[@hamhelly9115]

It seems like the props would have been used for player, weapons and canteens upgrades separately but the devs found it convoluted so they opted for a single upgrade station.

[@theratking180]

1:24 I thought he rocket jumped for a sec lol

[@Dannybythebanana]

I like to think that the spinning cabinets were meant to hold all of your unlocked weapons aside from stock weapons. It would force you to buy back specific weapons to use depending on utility. Phlog for 450 Credits, Vaccinator for 375, ect.

[@LukiKruki]

2:36 3:54 BOSS_SENTRY and unused Upgrade Stations gives me Cyberpunk vibes while BOSS_BOT and BOSS_CART gives me country vibes If I would be Valve, I will use these models to create new MvM maps set in the theme of past and future. I don't know how I would call it but I think it's great idea.

[@Cyann33andaThird]

those upgrade station props are so fuckin cool, as always valve makes really cool stuff and then refuses to use it

[@muddashucka9743]

The MvM props were likely scrapped because they were too cumbersome to use compared to the in-game UI we have now. They were likely also scrapped because they were too subtle, causing players to miss them.

[@Cyann33andaThird]

@@muddashucka9743 fair enough but you could also just have them be decorations. They look really cool, and the animations are all completely done for some of them

[@ZVAARI]

i'm glad you got around to showing the Magic card, that shit is wild

[@spongygames]

Wait, what?! There was a "push-of-war" payload map that precedes OW2's version? Damn! Edit: There's GRN & YLW bots too?!

[@Thunderfrog]

OMG yes! I would want this in the game sooo bad!!!

[@thestratposter3515]

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[@Micha-Hil]

0:57 "sorry guys mom said i have to go now"

[@PsychadelicoDuck]

I love those MVM upgrade props! Shame they didn't include them in the game, they have a real nice "roadside museum" vibe to them.

[@thebreadbringer]

All of this content we get to dig into just makes me so happy. I wish devs would more often just release the full uncompressed files for games like Dishonored. It would be amazing to see what that game could look like with full quality models and textures.

[@thestratposter3515]

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[@busterbackster1]

Wait dishonored did that?

[@thebreadbringer]

@@busterbackster1 No, I was saying it'd be really neat if Dishonored did that.

[@SouYef]

Imagine if the one valve dev is leaking this on purpose just to give you more content

[@Max-xc6ug]

the one and only dev

[@thestratposter3515]

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[@Chad_Milk]

Unlikely, Valve has multiple devs the one dev is a lie

[@GoofySlugpup]

Lol

[@LukiKruki]

@@Chad_Milk Valve has 300 employees but only one works for TF2.

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

Nightfall seems like a good CP map.

[@zombiezom2879]

Boss Cart looks like it was made in the Spore Vehicle creator, if you told me it was I wouldn't question it. Its guns are just slightly different from one of the weapons in Spore.

[@ecksdee1149]

4:05 i think ive seen the boss bot in fan animations some years ago

[@TheGreatHalberd]

That "cut" weapon is pretty clearly an early version of the Overdose.

[@randomuploaderguy]

Precisely. I find it funny that people are finally realizing that what I had speculated about long before the repo leak happened was true. I had speculated that Valve wanted to use YM's Overdose from his Polycount contest submission back in 2010. Valve used the Schwaben-Charger medigun from YM's set in the TF2 Goes F2P trailer which is what led me to speculate that the current Overdose we have now is the 2nd iteration of the item. And this leak proved me right.

[@jackdaniel3135]

I love channels that pull apart every technical detail of a video game like this. It’s like looking under the hood of a car, except I actually can understand what’s going on. Kinda.

[@shadokwastaken]

unicorn are real

[@guy4036]

Your videos are good man keep them up, my favorites are the ones that involve the hit box and weapon mechanic quirks

[@youraverageinternetuser8105]

Also fun fact: Valve seemed to also use Gate Tanks for mvm_mannhattan as the Files for said Tank are still in the game and can be seen through for example the Hammer Editor

[@sympleton7439]

I always thought that shutter door below the first robot drop-down in Mannhattan looked suspiciously big enough to fit a Tank through...

[@Woogoo336]

MVM but you are attacking sounds really cool. Sounds like the wrap up for the whole story.

[@SoulBoundSagaDX]

This is some of the coolest “almost” content we’ve ever seen

[@thestratposter3515]

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[@cheesepop7175]

i hate your pfp

[@drtauntsalot]

0:28 Valve: "So, yeah, we tried this tug-of-war style game-mode and it was no fun for anyone, so we scrapped it." Overwatch 2: "A TUG OF WAR STYLE GAME-MODE? THAT'S BRILLIANT! Wait why do all our players hate it?"

[@indianaortiz6075]

Tf2 push would actually be fun

[@drtauntsalot]

@@indianaortiz6075 It'd have the same problem as the OW2 variant though: say the enemy team pushes the cart almost to your point. You manage to hold them off, and start pushing back. Now even if you are playing better than them, unless you can push it all the way back to the mid-point and then all the way further than where they pushed it, you will still loose the match. Essentially, you have to push it twice as far as the enemy did, just to not loose. In practice, once you get halfway into a round, whoever holds the cart has most likely won, but you still have to keep playing the whole rest of the round. Arguably Payload race is a *better* version of this mechanic, and still nobody plays PLR because regular payload is more fun.

[@arbabf1337]

@@drtauntsalot 5CP in a nutshell.

[@Rev_Erser]

​@@drtauntsalot What if it's easier to push to the center Like maybe a ramp or a valley

[@unfunniestman]

overwatch bad tf2 good where are my le epic updoots

[@Coplmun]

What a snapshot, 1:50 seeing the Vista being run

[@realdragon]

0:48 I love this, I want to play it

[@BabzaiWWP]

i think it is very interesting that a valve employee had a shortcut for day of defeat source on their computer

[@user-lw2yb9ln7r]

We finally found the level 4 Sentry!

[@JouvaMoufette]

Come on, Corey Peters! Finish directing that art so we can get that Primary Blah Blah Boost!

[@exzenosisharbingaar9000]

Dude, Payload Tug-of-War is quite literally one of the things I've been thinking of in TF2 that could be fun.

[@thebushbros6626]

OW already has that, and it sucks. So it’s a prob a good thing TF2 doesn’t have that

[@staryoshi06]

It's existed in community maps for a long time. The first one (pl_waste) was made in 2009.

[@exzenosisharbingaar9000]

@@thebushbros6626 Yeah, but the thing is; Overwatch sucks, and TF2 doesn't. Payload Race, as much of a meme as it is, shows that tug-of-war is viable. The only thing I know that'd be a 'problem' is that the game would be at a consistent deadlock like 2Fort since everything converges at the middle/where the cart is, and because it goes further into enemy territory; response times become faster against pushing the cart into their base. All in all, still want to give it a shot.

[@arrowtongue]

Huh, that cut tug of war mode is pretty much exactly like Overwatch 2's push mode, fascinating to see such a similar idea emerge

[@discoeur]

0:27 this gamemode would literally never end

[@Troopergreen818]

I find it funny that the reference for that card is a Magic of the gathering card.

[@Jefferu_Nintendomoto]

Does anyone remember the lost TF2 podcast? Control Point by The Dead Workers Party was magical

[@OskarCzechowicz-OmniMusician]

4:44 TF2, but it's The Neverhood

[@The_whales]

2:33 an yes, minion demo

[@superkevinheroe]

b4nny is approaching to your location

[@Maplechu]

"Time to take a break from OW2, at least there's no Push gamemode in tf2" Push_Badlands:

[@Schenkel101]

My favorite TF2 asset: Magic the Gathering card Akroma, Angel of Fury.

[@DDSN]

ty for archiving all this stuff

[@thewhitetophat8965]

2:01 valve employee plays day of defeat source, I don't know why, but that really caught my attention

[@bruisedbug]

Seeing those desktop screenshots made me feel so old

[@justareguralcitizen9492]

DAMM the pre Double cross is Interesting.

[@shybandit521]

I'll be honest it looks so much more fun than current double cross! I hope someday some real sneaky bugger makes it into a damn good community map.

[@dumbleking5172]

The "reverse mvm" one with those Boss bots reminds me of those SFM with those giant mechanical robots. I forgot what it's called but I believe it's well known enough that a lot of people will know what SFM I'm talking about. Ah, the giant robots from "bad sniper" is one. The other SFM had the mercs piloting them.

[@Star_Bright1]

3:53 Suddenly random MTG card. Wonder what internal debate or conversation sparked this being a layer.

[@ImDelphox]

It looked like it was just being used as a reference

[@HinaomiAkiyama]

The B Type robot is so cute, the socket is like his face aaaaaaaa

[@psychoturkey]

I'd love to see someone do an artpass for cp_nightfall. That map looks very interesting!

[@georgesavvas6346]

at 5:13 the bar code directs you to "maggots"

[@microsoftpowerpoint4731]

That first pre double cross map room looked a lot like one of the steel capture points

[@triledink]

I wonder if the community fixes most of the cut stuff they get added to the offical game.

[@sava28]

that cart of war gamemode is so cool, it'd have the map prefix cow_

[@kaschey6145]

Damn, the unreleased version of Double Cross looks so much better than what we've actually got.

[@D0NU75]

oh wow looked like the boss cart transformed into the boss robot at one point

[@Thomas-vn6cr]

That Magic the Gathering card really caught me off guard.

[@whynotll83]

Also hidden in the demobot psd file is the texture for a green colored heavy, whose uv's only match the gibs.

[@fleshwebber1757]

I'm glad they cut the 10th class, Akroma, angel of fury, since I couldn't be countered.

[@empireOfLove2]

The most interesting part of the raw screenshots is the fact that they were actually using Windows Vista.

[@volatile5460]

Payload Tu-o-war honestly sounds like a riot. Maybe we can see it in some custom servers or something.

[@untodesu]

2:10 they used Vista and that's the interesting part

[@somerandomguyintheinternet]

2:42 yooo that version of the upgrade station looks sick!

[@feefre]

Im more impressed that actual valve devs used to main Windows Vista for the development environment

[@silverboltscrapper]

2006 was a different time

[@uugabuuga7450]

those Mvm props are amazing

[@9another632]

1:56 IS THAT WINDOWS VISTA???????????????????????

[@Zahaqiel]

Raid mode looks like it'd have been awesome. I wanna see that super-turret in-game!

[@aleflippy1997]

Badlands "Tug of War" really sounds like one of those maps that would either take 30 seconds or 3 million years to complete.

[@whynotanyting]

5:14 The barcode actually reads: MAGGOTS

[@bruhmoment5465]

I'm really glad you mentioned PL/PLR_badlands, it was definitely my favorite thing to come out of the leak, I'd love to see tug of war cart gameplay on more maps

[@ghastlygibus2121]

I cannot believe that there is a Magic The Gathering card in the leak. Imagine if we got a Tf2 card game.

[@PeachiPrism]

No way they had Push before Overwatch and never released it.

[@nathanwilkins6107]

I can’t believe we didn’t get Akroma, Angel of Fury in mvm

[@otsu3011]

2:43 this gave me portal 2 vibes for some reason

[@Adriethyl]

Tug of War (tow_) could be a cool mode. Since it'd probably take forever to win it could sorta just be played like 2fort with no timer, where no one really caps most of the time.

[@sniperstyx]

Holy s**t. Those unused MvM upgrade stations are sick! Now I want them, just in case I ever make a MvM map. Key word: "if"

[@SmileytheSmile]

Those MVM props look amazing.

[@apple-de8tx]

0:28 So it's just the new push gamemode in overwatch 2

[@Cheeseshitzszinc]

Tf2 did it first

[@acecombat2shill]

BOSS_CART looks like if you tried to make an AA gun out of a 1950s tractor and spare parts

[@SoldadoCatolico]

is it bad to want valve to entirely collapse one day just so everything they have gets released to the fans? We valve now.

[@double2254]

Why is there the magic card Akroma, Angel of fury in the file?

[@kickerguy]

i assume to be used as reference for when the upgrade card icon was being made

[@double2254]

@@kickerguy yea probably, guess add akroma being the only magic the gathering card in tf2 source code

[@drenched3088]

That syringe gun was the original design of the overdose, it was from the ploycount competition, and later valve added it, but redesigned the model with then whole set

[@AsianGordon]

The text is not final, COREY PETERS.

[@funtechu]

I actually really like the idea of a payload tug-o-war map!