Build Now or Wait For 15th Gen System? - Byte Size Tech

[@theonerm2]

Before I even watch the video. My personal opinion is to wait as long as your PC still works at a level you are satisfied with. My problem usually is that I cheap out on certain parts and I always want an upgrade as a result because even right out of the gate I'm unsatisfied. If you're already compromising too much right from the start you will find yourself in a constant minor upgrade cycle until you eventually go big enough to satisfy your needs. I have paid thousands more over the years than I would have if I just took the plunge and invested in my PC properly from the start.

[@SnowCoconuts]

yes. that's why i built a 12600k + 3060ti combo in 2022 as my first PC build ever because i know 15th gen and RTX 5000 series are gonna be gamechangers

[@theonerm2]

@@SnowCoconuts Looking at the rumors I don't believe they will be gamechangers based on performance leaks. Maybe if the price is low enough they will be gamechangers. I guess we will see. I think the RTX 5090 will be the only graphics card that will deliver a new level of performance and that the RTX 5080 will get the RTX 4090 level of performance. I think it will just shift like that for each tier and ray tracing will probably get a boost.

[@SnowCoconuts]

@@theonerm2 whatever it is, I just hope sticking it out with the 3060 ti for 3 years was worth it 😂😂😂

[@unclej3910]

@@SnowCoconutsOh it will be well worth it. An RX 6800 (non XT) beats a 3060Ti and has 16 gb vram. A 4070 Super beats both of them excepting the RX6800’s 16 gb.

[@gwrayka946]

brother please confirm me is rtx 5090 release in qauater 4 and or the end of the year because im building new gaming pc in september shuld i wait for 5090 and 15900k ??

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

I sold computers at office max for aboutn5 minutes. My first tech job was customer support at Activision in like 1998/99. Quake 3 arena days. Used to have all night sessions against the lucasarts guys playing a game called Tribes. Good times.

[@martinsonmike3]

Those were the days. Quake and almost all lucasarts games were just great.

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

@martinsonmike3 the x-wing series being the first game to not run properly on our 4mb 486 is what started my entire journey. Extended memory, sound drivers, ram kit... the rest is history as they say.

[@itstheweirdguy]

Tribes was so hype. They should make a new Tribes.

[@mcmoose64]

I have been asking myself the same question since the release of 10th gen , and every release since. For me the answer is still no . If something were to break however ...

[@a120068020]

LAN parties were a thing then, where people would lug their desktops round to others to play games. Not me, I couldn't be bothered with that, I am not that good at games anyway and would rather keep my PC working.

[@donadam4955]

Thinking about upgrading my Haswell rig. Kept it going over the years by getting a better video card and an ssd for the boot drive.

[@theonerm2]

As long as it still meets your needs it's fine to wait. The longer you wait the bigger the difference. I'd say you've already waited long enough that just about any new CPU would be a WOW upgrade for you today except for maybe the Pentiums, and Celerons, and the other very budget options but even those would be an upgrade for 2 cores but I don't think you should get one of those. Get an i5 of the 12th generation intel or up on the intel side and Ryzen 5 7600 or up on AMD. AMD is the better option in my opinion because it has upgrade options still into the future but the Intel platform is a dead end now. Either way it will be a good upgrade. Your graphics card options are super limited with Haswell but they are all pretty cheap what options will actually be good on the Haswell platform.

[@truefitness2622]

Still rocking my 3770k @ 4.2ghz with a 1080 gfx. Can still run all games at medium/high settings with some stuttering here and there. Definitely showing it's age now but really consdering upgrading to a 15th gen cpu once it becomes available

[@tylerclayton6081]

15th gen is supposed to be on a 2nm node vs 10nm in 14th gen. So it should be a huge upgrade, especially in terms of power efficiency and thermals

[@KoSLoW27]

I’m still with i7 6850k / 32 Go DDR4 / 3090…. I’m waiting 15th gen intel and rtx 5000 series 😀

[@protoolsfanatic7276]

The answer is always wait, but if you always wait you'll never get it built because there's always better technology next year 😅.

[@nostrum6410]

buying upper mid tier when its new usually seems the best bet

[@unclej3910]

At my senior age, i’m not waiting. If you are in your teens or twenties, then sure, go ahead and wait until AMD 10000 series or RTX 7080 .

[@guilladogui8259]

The only reason that might be worth waiting for is power efficiency. This chips aren’t too efficient. I order a 13700k for 300 bucks 65 less than usual I think if u find a deal take it and later upgrade after a few years

[@J3D-Tech]

Yeah but the difference is that it is just around the corner, so it is better to wait.

[@NINJA_INVESTORS]

This needs to be edited

[@ElladanKenet]

Good to know. I am eyeballing a new rig later this year or early next year. May or may not go, but I have some budgetary concerns that need addressing first. 3060ti is still pretty alright for 1080p, especially some of the older games I play routinely. 3700X is looking a bit long in the tooth, but again, still fine as long as I'm on older stuff.

[@Mrhandyhitman]

What’s your budget?

[@Mrhandyhitman]

And what country are you in?

[@ElladanKenet]

@Mrhandyhitman US. $2000 budget. I've already done a ton of research. Been a Tech follower for years. More a case of hoping I have that much money by Christmas, when I hope to make said purchase.

[@Mrhandyhitman]

Okay that’s a really good budget. I am assuming you have a 3060ti and 3700x. You have 2 options that if you want to look into further that i would recommend: 1) keep your current rig and upgrade to a 5800x3d and get you a high end card even a 4090 and play at 4k max settings on 90% of games. That means buy a new monitor as well. 2) Buy a new rig with solid specs. In my city Best buy actually has some pretty good builds for $100-200 more than what you would pay for getting the parts separately. But the MINIMUM specs I would recommend for LESS than $2k would be… GPU: 7800XT or 4070 Super CPU: 13600k or 7700XT Ram: 32 gb of 6000 Memory: 2Tb of storage PSU: 750 watts If you go with a build above you can play high refresh rate 1440p on most modern titles and even 4k max settings on older games. Let me know if you got questions

[@ElladanKenet]

@@Mrhandyhitman Pretty much what I was planning on building. Though I would prefer a 4070 ti or ti super, performance wise.

[@themigratingcoconut562]

Have a i7-7700K system with 1080 card since 2017. Still performs great on pretty much all my games. My only worry is that the HDD is getting old now, and the SSD slot is very buggy unfortunately on this motherboard. The latter stuff is why I'm not as happy holding out until gen 15 really shines as I otherwise would be.

[@wolfshanze5980]

I'm sitting on a i7 10700F with a 3070Ti (gaming on a 1080p monitor, don't shame me!). I'm pretty happy with my build currently, even though I know we're now moving onto 15th Gen vs my 10th Gen, I was wondering just to save money if it would be worth spending around $180 to grab a used i9 10900F for a quick and easy upgrade since I wouldn't have to swap out the MB or buy new RAM or anything like that, or is that just a "you wouldn't even notice the difference" upgrade?

[@IskanderVFX]

I would get the 10850k had that cup, a monster

[@iamghostwitagun3800]

I personally think you wouldn’t notice the difference.

[@j.r.g.g.6258]

Asrock 760m r2. Motherboard i5 13600kf, nvidia gforce rtx 4060, 32gig ddr5, liquid cooled. Can only upgrade a little at a time. Suggestions please. Cpu first or graphics card and what should I get. Pre-built 1st rig be gentle

[@nepalidiy]

It's seems a good built but gpu can be upgraded

[@j.r.g.g.6258]

@@nepalidiy I appreciate that. How good of a Gpu do you think my processor can handle? Any suggestions?

[@nepalidiy]

@@j.r.g.g.6258 if u find a good deal from good seller get rtx 3080 because the newer rtx 4000 series are just too expensive due to Nvidia is fxcking Freddy. As rtx 5000 series are just a year away.

[@sky173]

We need to stop purchasing videos cards. Take a break. Enjoy what you have. Remember when a top video card went for under $500? If we keep purchasing at these insane prices, they'll just keep raising the prices to where the average consumer can't afford a new card.

[@nickfrank3981]

Well Cards back in the day could do shit, Hardy possible to compare. Your CPU was the Force in the machine. Modern cards are a complete different thing.

[@shiro5392]

What do you think about waiting for the 8950X/X3D vs getting a 7950X3D now? FYI I have a 6700k and it's sort of driving me crazy 😅

[@computerscience1101]

Wait

[@davewave2760]

Building a new PC is more complex than just considering the CPU, when it comes to waiting for the next gen or not. Do you buy a MB for the current generation, but have no upgrade path? I see the new RAM "socket" on next gen are not compatible with DDR5 modules. So you have to swap RAM too. There are more components to consider than just the CPU, especially if those components all need to be upgraded. It is more about buying into a platform that offers the best future proofing. This does not apply if you already have the current platform and are just upgrading the CPU, but if you are deciding between the current platform, and the next, it makes sense wait for the next generation, even though the gains may initially be modest, it provides you with an upgrade path.

[@earlygamer9106]

9:25 i7 5960x was an beast

[@DanielBarbaro]

31 years ago? Bro looks like he just got out of high school in 08.

[@PizzlesTechTime]

I want to work in tech so bad my full-time job as a truck driver is literally crushing my body and ruining my life

[@PizzlesTechTime]

I'm sorry for always harassing Mr deals for tech advice. I'm a selfish person and that I can admit. I thank you each and every time you respond and I'm grateful for you

[@JGComments]

I’m sure he would love to answer each and every question of he had the time.

[@tommyrotton9468]

the next gen is usually always better. So its all down to do you need to upgrade to see an improvement on what you already do or have you have so much money you just don't care spending it.

[@notaras1985]

Unless it wasn't. The overheating and stability issues of 13&14th gen are piling up to the sky

[@mahomisawa4172]

Waiting. Waiting never ends. Or well, especially at this point. It's march and soon it'll be april, but we still dont know exactly when. Presumably they'll launch this year, so latest by december with no delays. There's also the question of the new platform costs and performances. I was thinking if it'd be better to just get a pc now and get it over with, or to just keep waiting as well, hurr. It's not easy, either way is questionable. As long as the current pc is still "okay" waiting longer is fine I guess.

[@nostrum6410]

i would suggest wait for arrowlake, and zen 5 will be out by then, then make a decision

[@Fighter4Street]

That is what I decided after wanting to upgrade from my 9900K. The 14900K just runs too hot and I think they will solve this somewhat with the arrowlake.

[@computerscience1101]

​@@Fighter4Street yeah because Arrow lake will be based on 3nm architecture compared to 10nm of previous generation.

[@notaras1985]

Arrowlake will be just repackaged 12th gen room heaters all over again

[@nostrum6410]

@@notaras1985 lol no

[@notaras1985]

@@nostrum6410 lol yes. Intel hasn't produce a solid CPU in like a decade

[@PizzlesTechTime]

Coming from someone who just built a 14th gen I-9, I would say wait. Especially if you're on the higher end. You will end up making so many concessions. I believe the next year is hopeful for Intel. You don't want to be counting PCIe Lanes and resetting your BIOS every week hoping that your RAM will run. If you need four dims of RAM and PCIe Lanes you will be disappointed. Lol I love my PC but aggravated to the point of smashing it 😮

[@PizzlesTechTime]

@AnonymousUser-ww6ns yeah at least AMD is giving for extra PCIe Lanes. I followed the specs in order to Gen 5 PCIE SSD. Installed it and then found out it was not going to be usable if I wanted to keep 16 lanes on my GPU. Which I'm most certainly wanted to trying to upgrade to the 4900s for this build

[@PizzlesTechTime]

@AnonymousUser-ww6ns yeah that would be amazing unfortunately unless I sell this build I'm stuck with this one. I actually upgraded from a 1950x first gen threadripper that was perfectly capable of editing 8K video. Unfortunately the Intel 14th generation had quick sink sync. It ends up editing H.264 video a lot better. So now I have a more powerful faster machine but at the same time seems less powerful. Really weird compromise I ended up making. Although I can edit 4K no problem at all. It's really 8k and long GOP clips that mess the new PC up.

[@bullyakker]

We used (father and I) Tiger Direct(I think? HUGE catalog) back in the 80's/ Bought our parts and built our own.

[@drunksupportcharacter]

Im quite confident that the removal of HT will be good eventually, Just makes more sense to have more slower individual "workers" than a slow lane on the same core, but of course this sorta stuff needs a transitional period, as we see that in some cases be it SMT or HT more people are having small issues with that enabled in certain scenarios. I was gonna build something new as my setup is wonky tbh, but for now, I settled on a laptop, This happens a lot, i buy a new PC on 1st or 2nd gen of something new and then buy a laptop to last me untill the next big thing is released, hopefully ill learn this time heh. As for the rest, I just hope intel gets their power usage down as that is quite a holdback especially for the ITX crowd with cooler limitations.

[@2MichalChojnowski2]

Buying first chips for given platform is asking for trouble and low resell value, but this time NPU get me wondering if lacking it won't hurt. For now it doesn't seem to bring anything tempting casual user or gamer, but hard to say what future will bring and they will do what they can to sell you that. E.g. 1080 Ti is remembered as amazing thanks to generational jump and low price, but year-two after it launched it sucked to not have DLSS or playable ray tracing performance. Man used to upgrade not only to improve performance, but being forced by lack of technologies.

[@musicbro8225]

My ROG laptop is on it's last legs at about 8 years old so I'm looking at I7 14700F, RTX4070 super, Gigabyte Z790 Gaming X AX. The thing that stops me from waiting for 15th gen is that it will be premium prices and maybe toothing problems, so not viable till say 16th gen comes out. Still researching but 90% decided.

[@benjaminrogers8875]

Im curious what sort of business buys i9 chips in bulk. If i need 100 systems for people whose most complicated task is MS office they'd be lucky to get i5 laptop chips from several gens ago.

[@spry_guy]

I used to work at a mom & pop computer store back in the 90s early 2000s. We had a lot of business customers that would constantly upgrade to new computers for CAD. It saved these businesses a lot of time having a top of the line CPU.

[@ronhoek69]

I'll wait for the 15th gen Intel because the last two gens were hotheads.

[@GodKing804]

I don't think they want you to have business. They want a computer built by your VERY hands.

[@anshulsingh8326]

Well you can still wait, if 15 is disappointing just buy older version at lower price. If you can't wait buy it now.

[@Kingtoby1981]

Well said

[@MrSamadolfo]

🙂waiting for the next batch of microcenter bundles

[@unclej3910]

I wish Microcenter wasn’t a 250 mile drive one way. The cost of gas and time would negate any savings I would get.

[@MrSamadolfo]

@@unclej3910 some items are shippable, check the website

[@djnohands3632]

Buy whats best now not whats going to be best in the future. We cant predict the future so unless your in "need" of an upgrade then upgrade now if not then wait. If everyone had this mentality they would be waiting forever.

[@unclej3910]

Yep, and at my age, if i wait too long, I may be either too old to enjoy a good gaming PC, or dead. Not joking.

[@StgVirus1]

I'm waiting till 15th gen to upgrade my 10900K & 3080 system. RTX 5000 series will also be worth the wait.

[@iamghostwitagun3800]

Keep your system for another 5 years at least.

[@benderrobo7864]

I waited 7 years to build my new pc lol cuz I kept waiting for the next new thing. 😂 I finally bought as much on sale as possible and built one.

[@Kneedragon1962]

15th Gen? No, I'm more a Ryzen R9 9950X person. I do plan to hold off & dither until about mid October, because I want to see the X870E Taichi Lite tested and reviewed. On the subject of Generations, the 2nd generation NH-D15 is out... Yeah ~ that's a lot of money for an air cooler. That's a lot of cooler. "You can get a cooler for 1/3 of that price that will do exactly the same job." No, you can get several coolers for about half that price, which will get within 2 or 3 degrees of that performance. Ok, now what are the odds those cheaper coolers will have a problem or malfunction in the next decade? And what are the odds anything will go wrong with the Noctua? There's your price difference. Based on history and past performance, I trust Noctua in a way I don't trust Deepkool or anybody else.

[@martinvargas1346]

I have a 11700f and a 7900xtx. What’s the recommendation

[@tvdootman27]

if you are on a 4k monitor imo you are good. depending on how much ram you have you might wanna consider upgrading that (32gb is recommended now)

[@martinvargas1346]

I got 32. I got unnecessary amounts of storage and I just upgraded my case to the 5000D. Been to busy to double check but it sounds quiter so it might be better for temps

[@Leoofthesun]

I just jumped into a lake.

[@Killswitch1411]

I tripped over a moon rock.

[@AngryChineseWoman]

Which means your phone is waterproof

[@gasracing5000]

Been waiting 3 years to upgrade... hopefully it was worth the wait. I'm calling it gen15... just can't get behind the core intel ultra naming scheme. It sounds so stupid and mac

[@mathewrost]

Nice! I’m wondering if I should go from a i712700F to a 14700K with 690zmobo-64gb ddr5 and a rtx3080

[@paulw3231]

It depends. For gaming the difference would probably be less than 10 percent. Especially as you go up in resolution. However, the step up in cores would make a big difference for productivity or if you do multiple things at once while gaming like stream, watch a video on a separate monitor, and do anything else like that for example all at the same time.

[@daniil3815]

Absolutely should. Especially if you would want to upgrade your gpu for rtx 50xx

[@patrickbrault8411]

If it's the only upgrade you will do, you will be disappointed. You might move bottlenecks around some.

[@mathewrost]

Thanks for the replies friends. I plan on a 5080/90 maybe in the future, the mobo is pcie 5.0 though for now, the gaming isn’t really vram limited unless the game has a leak lol hum the games them selfs I play are moded versions, bots and simulation. Yeah I got a second monitor, it’sonly 1080p, usually got discord, watching a teammates stream, while i stream mine to the groups. From what I understand nvanc? Does a good job of this? Work side of things mastercam, solidworks, it’s just ram hungry and single threaded I believe. Some home video haha ;) just wondering if the 14th i7 k model would feel zipper then my current f model 12th gen i7. I know my older i7 6700k is technically slower but it feels more responsive maybe it’s a big little issue? 12th/ first gen thing?

[@patrickbrault8411]

@@mathewrost Even though they say that it is useless now with high RAM capacities, I experienced the same and decided to reinstall the OS from fresh. Made a world of difference. But ya, a bit time consuming but I am happier. Happiness is king right?

[@Zaonce]

Honestly that interesting. Nobody wants or needs E-Cores. If it doesn't come equipped with all P-cores then the 15th gen isn't worth it.

[@DrHakennase]

Im still rocking a delidded 8700K and a 2080Ti. Stills works good for the most things i do. But me and my two brothers will build some new PCs when Itne 15thGen and RTX 5000 are out. My poor cousin gets my old pc then^^

[@definingslawek4731]

But if arrow lake won't be much faster won't apple silicon on LAPTOP be faster than the top cpu on desktop? 13900k is already barely faster than m3 max.

[@madarasoun3018]

I built my last PC in 2021 with 10700F. I wanna upgrade but don’t know why I should.😂 It still play single player games at 60 FPS or more.

[@guilladogui8259]

For gaming u don’t need nothing higher than a i5 . Just get a 13600k it has a decent price I can hold for more years

[@MH-zk7hc]

You have been doing this for over 30y, so soon you will onlock "knowledge of future sand" in your skilltree. Pair it with the passive skill "Intel gathering" and you shall see their future sand products today!

[@dianaalyssa8726]

Feel like 14700K or 14900K would be enough on the high end (7950X3D also looks tempting). There have been some sales again for 12th-14th, 7800X3D & 7950X3D sometimes, really think the price matters at this point. Or just wait for the new chips later this year. 12th has had some great sales since Prime Day/Fantastech 1 last year, am seeing some of those/close to that price range again.

[@mattstansbeary3068]

Either Get 14700K or 14900K or get a AMD 5800X or 7800X and wait. I don't like being a test bunny so I got a AMD Ryzen 5800X. see how the new chip do this Fall.

[@theonerm2]

I kept my Haswell Core i7 4770K until 2019 and I got a 3700x. I'm still on AM4. I'll probably wait until AM6 or whatever it's called. I've upgraded my 3700x to a 5700x in the meantime. It was not a huge upgrade but I think it will get me by a little while longer. It's funny that you mention the 4th gen intel now that the 14th gen intel is out. I thought about that too. I used to actually want an Intel i7 7700K just to get 5GHz on my CPU. I always wanted 5GHz for some reason. I still don't have a CPU that can hit 5GHz. Maybe my next upgrade will hit that but for now it's not to be. I'm glad I just stayed with my 4770K though because there really wasn't a huge difference even if you looked at the benchmarks. But for some people just any difference is enough to get them to upgrade.

[@Sri_Harsha_Electronics_Guthik]

if beating around the bush has a vid, it will be this

[@bluexeyedxpassion]

1:35 casually called himself old Lmfao. I say wait, because companies are pumping out products quickly (money grab). if you are within current to last 2 gens, you're fine. if that's the case, wait til 18-20th IMO.

[@AsianPersuation24x7]

I see a HUGE CPU bottleneck coming well its actually already here no CPU even today 2 years later well March 2024 not Dec 2024 perhaps can actually keep up with a 4090 in a ton of titles and if a 5090 is 70% faster then holy molly I don't think any CPU is up to the task even if best case scenario Arrow lake/Zen 5 are 20-40% faster than current chips it would really still be a 4K only card because I don't think any CPU would be fast enough to push insane frame rates at 1440P and especially 1080. I think I will hold onto my 12700K until perhaps Lunar lake because I can run my 4070S ball to the wall no issues.

[@montanausa329]

Build now there is always going to be something better

[@Icenfyre]

I have 12900k + 4090 + 3600mts cl16 ddr4. I going to buy the 5090, im really worried that Core 2 Ultra wont keep up, but I honestly dont trust AMD cpus I have had problems with those. Idk we'll see. Mayve this Ultra "15th" gen or the 9800x3D. I only use my PC for highend gaming. Thoughts?

[@justinhogue9861]

Is the 12900k not maxing out your monitor? My 4090 is held back by 4k gaming or my 120hz lg oled. I get the most stress in vr gaming where the 4090 holds me back, but I do high resolution.

[@madm1n1]

Just finished upgrading my gaming pc. Would like to keep this pc for the next 5-7 years before upgrading again. You think my new pc is perfect for 1440p gaming that can hold up until I upgrade. Parts/ Ryzen 5700x, NZXT kraken x73, Asus crosshair Vlll hero wifi, 32gb gskill ddr4 3600 cL18, western digital sn570 1TB, gigabyte gaming oc 4070 12gb, nzxt h710, 170hz 32inch monitor koorui.

[@my-yt-inputs2580]

I want to advertise my small business that does PC repair cheap. I am self taught and have been building and repairing my own systems for over 30 years now. I'm retired, have a good enough retirement pension and do not need to charge an arm and a leg to offer my services. I printed up some business cards years ago but rarely pass them out. I suspect finding someone who will come to you to help fix your PC problems might be a bonus. ;)

[@whoshotya117]

You could build now, just build 12th gen.

[@heyguyslolGAMING]

If 15th gen was just another refresh I wouldn't bother very much like 14th but its a whole knew arch which should use less pwr and deliver more performance. I think the real concern is can it compete w/ AMD's new chips?

[@BenKlassen1]

People always with this consultation question.

[@8bitbender495]

Arrow lake will not be as fast in single core speed, Arrow lake brings low watts for intel desktop pc

[@dvxAznxvb]

Build besides the Mobo and CPU ez

[@itscoldcoldwinter]

thanks fam

[@franktv992]

When is intel even increasing the pcie lanes…. Has been stuck with 20 for a while now

[@dyson9422]

Wait for the next "Toc" or 15th gen. Toc is better than Tic. Think about how much better 13th gen is better than 12th gen.

[@nostrum6410]

they haven't really been doing that for years

[@MrEviljackal]

😎👍

[@KirillNeko]

I guess I've timely upgraded to i7-14700K from i7-12700F.

[@timothyweston3601]

My first PC was an E-Machine 600. Lols.