Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu | Is Martial Arts Ever A Waste Of Time?

Many martial artists will tell you that if you're not training in their style, you're just wasting your time. Boxers want you to box, wrestlers want you to wrestle, so on and so forth. But is it really possible to waste your time in any style of martial art? Let's discuss.
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[@kaanaslim]

As a Bujinkan practitioner for 12 years and been into few fights the problem is the training method. If you train the techniques with resistance and movement, do sparring (randori as they call it in the past) it is one of the best art that you can learn. You just need to train it real.

[@tennesseecopperhead7874]

I've been in Martial Arts for over 40 years. This statement is on point. It's not the style it's how you train it. If you train your still for real world hard combat you can make it work.......period. I've seen it, I've done it. I have seen styles I thought had no chance at real self-defense just obliterate others. You have to train as you will fight. Thats the key. If you train slow, soft, and without real resistance then you get what you get. If you train hard, fast, and with hard resistance you will get what you put in.

[@ZenWaveFunction]

Agree but the problem with Bujinkan most instructors are afraid of lawsuit due to injuries. Randori and resistances is needed

[@samuelslade2391]

😂 what kind of sparring Bujinkan is great but it doesn't teach you how to fight, it teaches you ways to finish a fight Old arts work well if you understand them. If you want practical fighting then do boxing

[@ZenWaveFunction]

@@samuelslade2391 You are correct on the concept that Bujinkan training wasn’t meant to win a fight. I understand is for survival but it still need to be tested with Randori. There are a few Bujinkan instructor that call for sparring after training with techniques and flows like Bujinkan Hachimon dojo in Malaysia.

[@samuelslade2391]

@@ZenWaveFunction The randori any bujinkan school does would just be bad kick boxing or sloppy wrestling

[@siddiaz1623]

The importance of martial arts is to survive. I've been training since I was 7 years old. Eskrima, taekwondo, Karate and Bujikan.. All applicable in my military experience. It's all about perspective and how to advance on your life. not to score in the mat..

[@kaderbenseti2621]

I think it is about the trainer or the people you worked with who make martial arts effective and strong or weak and a waste of time and this has nothing to do with martial art itself. In my opinion, no martial art is a waste of time, but there is a trainer who cannot give you the best in this martial art .. I personally benefited a lot from the Bujinkan. We were not doing complicated things. I trained with a former trainer of penchak silat and qualified trainer specialized in training guards and security men who understands the basics of self defense. We do classes dedicated to the principles of the Bujinkan Ninjutsu and its basic techniques, and other days for sparring and realistic fighting. There are trainings dedicated to grappling and ground combat in addition to resistance training Simulation of reality, dealing with pressure, and of course sessions for self defense, and courses for koshin jutsu ... I have two years of experience now, and I feel more physical and mental development than I felt in the martial arts that I practiced before. I had experience in judo, muay thai and boxing.But Ninjutsu is more complete than all, I feel like I'm practicing them all in one martial art

[@321Tdog]

From what I've seen and heard, and even your comment. It seems the best Bujinkan teachers are those who have studied or are studying OTHER martial arts as well as ninjutsu. The cult like "Bujinkan is the best and most effective art" are the frauds to avoid

[@negativeionz]

My experience was the exact opposite of your experience. I not only applied my taijutsu training in H2H successfully, repeatedly, as a CPO and in personal self-defense, but I've watched others I worked with do the same. Our unarmed tactics instructor was the Green Beret in charge of teaching SF, Delta, and Rangers taijutsu for many years, who had lessons involving using taijutsu in tactical interrogations based on real-life experience doing so. He was quite well-regarded in the SOF community by his peers and had done third party hostage rescue and PMC work. Our TL and my older brother, who I saw repeatedly apply his taijutsu training just as successfully as I did, went on to work as a PMC in Iraq, was in The Army teaching Iraqis how to police themselves, and then transitioned into further PMC and CPO work in the most dangerous warzones on the planet providing unarmed security to executives of major corporations,

[@mikespike80]

Brin?

[@spearfish6656]

@@mikespike80 That was funny Michael

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

You and me have a similar background. Did the instructor actually teach Bujinkan Ninjutsu or I imagine he was teaching combatives?

[@negativeionz]

@@JesusChrist2000BC He taught Bujinkan, among other things. I don't think he was teaching classical combatives as it is known today. I've seen old black and white photos of him clearly teaching Bujinkan to other SOF guys in an official capacity and I've communicated to his assistant instructor about it. He was a Cold War SF veteran and he continued teaching to the community after he left the service.

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

@@negativeionz That's dope. I've been looking for an instructor that teaches this type of stuff out here in the civilian world but it's impossible to find. It's all just MMA this or jujitsu that. No real world stuff for close protection or security type of work.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

Styles don’t matter. The person using it matters. Understand, any martial art can work if you train them for fighting and do what’s important: Live sparring Conditioning Awareness Pressure testing and being open minded. I can name several Ninjutsu schools that do that. Heck even in Israel, they do it so much better. And in Japan, there are very legit schools that teach through hard sparring and conditioning. So the issue isn’t the style, but the person teaching it and how he is doing it. The problem is, so many people are taught that way and it spreads.

[@yourleftisttesticle]

It's just an amalgamation of japanese jujitsu techniques and a fake lineage made up in the 50s. Funny enough, a martial art is already out there that takes Japanese jujutsu and applies pressure testing: Judo. Every single person doing bujinkan should just go to judo and learn the gokyo.

[@vexedalgides3091]

I'm fairly new to martial arts, 28 years old, started with Bujinkan. Soon to be 9th Kyu. I've been hit really hard by my sensei and other practicioners, and I mean hits that would normally take the air out of people, and I've been taught how to absorb them. Learned to break falls, and I'm still working on my front roll. I've lost 10 kilograms since starting, and just on my own started doing some conditioning. No, we don't really spar since it's a small dojo with glass walls, but we keep it honest. If there's a punch, you WILL get punched. Locks to finish a technique are important for control, as well as learning proper spacing as otherwise we get hit or a technique just doesn't work. I'm working on my kicks, punches and grip. We put the hips into it like every other respectable striking art. And I know I got lucky to get a good dojo first try. There's some serious McDojos out there that bring the whole practice down and the reason why ninjutsu is not taken seriously. You threw stars. I Started 4 months ago and I've never touched a single shuriken or weapon other than the Bo staff and the Katana (which we only do once a month), only worked on form, technique, flexibility and explosiveness (later of which I'm most wanting to work on). But some friends, in the same city as me years ago, started with a different guy. Threw stars the moment they started. That's the first red sign of a bad Bujinkan Dojo.

[@yourleftisttesticle]

So, instead of testing techniques against resistance, you just have to sit there and eat it when the instructor or other student slaps the shit out of you? Yeah, checks out. That's how my loser of a "sensei" in Bujinkan did it, too. Guess what that does? It just makes you a punching bag. It doesn't make your technique effective.

[@committeda]

Why not shiruken (stars)? I teach Ninpo aka Budu Tai-jutsu, aka Ninjutsu... Throwing shiruken teaches you to properly use your body even striking. The same way you want to project that energy outward when throwing is the same way you want to move striking. Everything as one.. Where the tensing of that energy while throwing is the focus of that target.. Same with striking

[@committeda]

I"m not saying "First"... There are many ways to teach body movement, especially at first. Shiruken and other weapons simply teach you to use at an even greater degree.. but later

[@Daniel_shinobi]

right now i train bujinkan and i really love it i think its very effective maybe its because im trained by a very good shidoshi but im really having a great time doing bujinkan taijutsu🤝🏻

[@luisdavidpalau]

Very interesting! Thank you!

[@bw5020]

So my biggest issue with Bujinkan was that I felt uncomfortable using it when it mattered... I think they would do SO MUCH better with more application training. Some resistance. Something. The "too dangerous" thing doesn't hold up well when things hit the fan. I DID learn how to break falls and roll beautifully.

[@HH-el8vp]

I trained 25 years ago and I was able to 'win' fights.

[@committeda]

if you're training correctly, as you advanced you would then be doing the same techniques, but with smaller movements and the ookie resisting. Then as you advance further, the same techniques, less wasted movement, more precision and small details but now against resistance AND counters

[@user-lm1rp8nt9f]

I did not have that experience.

[@user-lm1rp8nt9f]

I did not have that experience. I got tossed around, headlocked, guillotined, joint locked. Learned some stealth stuff and it worked. But what he's saying is exactly what happened to him maybe. Learn how to do it better. But there are some styles that if they get their specialty off it's hard to get around. Like Muay Thai kicks to the thigh. After that it's usually hard to go on willingly.

[@bw5020]

@@user-lm1rp8nt9f Wish I found your spot.

[@demoskunk]

Taijutsu came in handy while I was sprinting down the sidewalk, tripped on an uneven slab, was going face first into the pavement, when my ukemi training kicked in and I tucked my shoulder at the last second, rolled, and came right back onto my feet at full running speed. It was my smoothest full-speed forward shoulder roll on pavement. The Bujinkan ukemi and tobi work and they're excellent! However, I have next to no faith in my fighting skills. I shoulda stayed with Muay Thai much longer than I did.

[@Maodifi]

This was super interesting!

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Thank you!

[@radicaledwards3449]

From bujinkan taijutsu I learned how to roll/break fall, I understood the foundational principles of all throws (I am Nak Muay) and stealth can litterally save your life without even knowing how to fight!

[@Hiltonliveparanormalnews79]

I study this on the side for physical and spiritual purposes my go to is kick boxing , and kenpo moves. I take what I need from everything I am 43 and veteran I'm fit but some moves might hurt parts of my body so I don't do it. When you have a reference of moves over time you use what works! You have to have resistance to know what works and what your body can do in real situations if you have bad knees you might want to pull back on the kicks!

[@negativeionz]

@@Hiltonliveparanormalnews79 If you have bad knees, try kneesovertoeguy's stuff. Trust me, it saved my life from a knee tear. Helped me better than dextrose or PRP injections did, and even better than stem cell injections would've. (I have a medical research background and worked with exceptional doctors on it, so I REALLY did my homework here.) I only did the PT in the program for 2-3 months (I started at pretty advanced stuff though because I was in very good shape when I did it) and it healed me long-term far more than $5K/year stem cells could have.

[@sifuscott]

As I've said in the past, every martial art has SOMETHING to offer. There are aspects of every style that CAN work, but not that will work for everyone. The best way to become a well-rounded martial artist is to study different styles. Kajukenbo, Kenpo, Taijutsu, Aikido, Muay Thai, etc. There are good aspects to all of them. There are also bad aspects to all of them. The best thing a practitioner can do is use their head to find what does work for their own body type.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Don’t spoil my video for the audience, damn it.

[@nygroover397]

Actually it's more about the short attention spans and lack of commitment. Every martial arts works. Some have a steep learning curve. All require slogging through the frustrating basics. Like standing practice. Throwing sets of 300 punches and kicks as warm ups. Footwork, body alignment, conditioning,meditation, etc Most folks don't have the patience to stick it out. Most don't put in the time to develop those "esoteric" levels of skill. Traditional arts are not for hobbyist. It's why the hobbyist who trains 2-4 hrs day is way behind the who trains 6-8hrs a day. The difference is time commitment and love. Anytime anyone says something doesn't work it's usually because they didn't and most likely don't want toput in the work. Prize fighter training produces faster visually impressive results. Traditional Martial Arts is along painful journey. There is no props or clout to get. No friends to show off to. It's just you and how bad you want it. How dedicated you are to improvement. How much you train. The problem is many of the so called "Sensei's, Sifu" usually didn't put in the time. In the basics. Conditioning, combat, etc. Too many travel for a couple years and come back calling themselves whatever... Or there are those who trained for decades but trained superficial ways. Didn't condition, didn't spar, didn't train the same techniques constantly to the point of neural retention. I'm not a Martial Artists either. My Sifu worked full time, attended part time and trained 6+ hrs a daily. He gave up relationships and cut back school hours because it was cutting into his training. From the basics through forms, sparing, conditioning, etc. It was constant and consistent. He didn't do it for a fight career or to run a business, but because it was part of him. He only charged $25 monthly. Believe me I have never gotten such a great deal on anything before or since in my life. He was a pure Martial Artists. I was a dedicated intense Martial Hobbyist who fortunately learned combat skills under a dedicated Martial Artist. In an often disrespected and "fake" Chinese Traditional Martial Art. It does work but the time effort and almost addictive pull and dedication it inspires and requires is not for everyone. The beating and bone toughening practice caused a lot of folks to quit. That was after the ones who left because of the basics and general conditioning workload. Technique practice was also brutal. The standing practice (static stance work) was even more painful than getting hit during sparing sometimes. Those who have done it understand why. An example of bone toughening: I was sparing with a regular student in my for University credit intermediate self defense class: I lightly "blocked" actually deflected with little to no strength at all. When their arm hit my forearm there was a crack. Now, I truly didn't put anything into the technique. I had an uncomfortable conversation with the Dean. But at the end of the day it was my conditioning vs an in shape regular student in that class. Not bad for someone who could only do the partner blocking/beating training for a few minutes daily before the bones in my arms and legs start to feel like they were cracking. It's definitely not b.s. The same principal as hardening the shins for Muay Thai or Kickboxing applied to all the body's weapons. Remember these arts and the training flourished at times where these people needed them to survive even make a living. At times when your training was the difference between life and death. The were willing to put in the time. because there were consequences for half___ing it. These days modern weapons, government and laws somewhat negate the need in "modern society." More "modern practices" are easier to digest for our fast food short attention span society, where the danger is not as prevalent. So it's easy for the "Mercenary schills" to get up and lie about Martial Arts when they themselves know the truth. Because like everything else today: It's not about what "works". It's about what they can mass produce and sell to the ignorant public. We have become lazy enough for anyone claiming expertise to decide for us. We don't even check the credentials or verify the info. We are the "good enough" people. Research, verifying facts? That's the expert's job. Smdh Traditional Martial arts is not one size fits all. It is very dependant on the one training; as well as the effectiveness, knowledge and abilities of the trainer and their ability to pass on the knowledge effectively. I was very lucky and stumbled upon a great teacher and an inspiring person. He inspired by walking the walk. How could we slack when Sifu was killing it all day an evening before and after training us, between work and school? Any excuse is lame quitting when in the presence of someone like that. Though he would never say or even hint at it. Just teach who wanted to learn and keep it moving. At the end of the day. We have e to figure out who we are and what we want. Especially when dealing with a subject like martial arts. Because that will determine whether or not you succeed in anything you do. Once you know who and where then the how. As far as the MA how goes read the previous paragraphs. Lol Sorry for the thesis. I'm Closing in on 50. These MA videos, articles and some books trigger these trips down memory lane. I a generally clumsy, lankey, "skinny fat", uncoordinated, unathletic, rhythm-less guy was a very dangerous person for a few years (while I kept training at the pace set by Sifu). And I rarely saw it. But when I did. Yeah I did seem kind of magical. Until I remember the brutal training I just had. That's how the "magic" works. You bust ___ until the physical stuff seems effortless. But it takes the kind of time dedication and willingness to endure. That is something that most people don't have or think that they need. Hence the rise and popularity of the McDojo in the 90's-00's. I first heard that term from Sifu in the 90's. It was apparently a major peeve amongst hard core Martial Artists. I understood it as the watering/dumbing down of Martial Arts for mass consumption. Basically "black belts for sale" at your local McDojo chain location. Today we have (insert major business organization and/or a name of their many mercenary schills here) slandering traditional Martial Arts. ☮️ *Edited for spelling and inappropriate ____keyboard word replacements. Sorry if I missed any others.*

[@sgtboruto265]

@@nygroover397 true and relatable

[@clayowens4176]

I agree completely.. and also most ppl dont know this that arnt in the bujankan but it is based off of 9 lineages..witch is basically 9 different styles..most martial arts around the whole world came from these 9... so there is a style for everyone within this 1 style .. thats why it takes 50 years to learn the bujankan .. it took my mentor 20 years tonget his 5th don .. i love ninjutsu bc its just taijutsu aka bidy movement.. but it has all the other stuff too camouflage espionage deception counter intelligence all good things for a ninja spy lol... but yes bruce lee even said to study many kinds and take what u can do and leave what is usless to you.. ive studied hopkido akido gracie jujitsu and krav maga... buto taijutsu has been the bridge between them all to make my style ..or to make them all flow into 1 style my style... be water my friends !

[@RalphOK]

Bujinkan is a joke because it trains in a totally unrealistic fashion, gives students unfounded confidence, and doesn't even have any verifiable historical lineage. It is neither a genuine old school (koryu) nor a means of learning effective self defence. Is it a waste of time? Not if you want to see what ineffective training looks and feels like.

[@MyTruth1771]

I started training in the early 80. Today, mostly Akban Dojo reminds me of what our training was like.

[@cole3829]

You make a fantastic point. I studied Booj for about 15 years and gained a huge amount of experience. We ended up incorporating NeWaza/BJJ into our training, but really never sparred. It wasn't until I trained for a career in law enforcement that I actually learned to take a punch. However, I did rely on my training when dodging punches and performing throws and joint locks.

[@negativeionz]

When you say take a punch, do you mean actually get hit with one? I don't know if you've heard, but generally the goal is not to do that.

[@NattydreadOldSchool]

Every school is different. we train in some classical Ninjutsu, but adapt them to more "real life" training. Throws, take downs, striking and ground work at the intensity we choose as training partners is welcomed.

[@committeda]

you say the main thing I feel Ninjutsu is... "Adapt".

[@leviblevins513]

Thanks for the video, glad to see this approach , so many on the internet view Bujinkan in a negative light never having even tried. Quality of fighting is definitely based on who your instructor was as some focus more on soft historical practice. But having only taken ranking in Bujinkan I've been able to hop on the mat and hold my own with plenty of other martial artists from varying styles

[@vlhendon7185]

Very good advice.

[@BeetleSpoon2770]

School for Bujinkan I went to was one for he biggest in the country. Wasn’t some McDojo where we earned to be ninjas. We did grappling, we did an exercise where we are to close our eyes and do anything from grappling to following your partners hand movements, we did all out sparring in red man suits. It was amazing. My instructors also had black belts in judo so we did that as well. They had black belts in aikido and tae Leo do and maybe jiu Jitsu. All in all, it was well worth it

[@Richter_val82]

Some of us train traditional martial arts not to fight, but because of their history and culture value, their philosophy and spiritual part. Maybe we don't want (or physically can't) get into a gym filled with tattoed muscular guys that will destroy our spine with a throw or our knees with a low kick. Some of us are office workers that just want to have fun. Maybe we don't care if we can hurt or kill people. Martial arts are more than just violence.

[@nathangedamke2041]

I find that what (a good) Bujinkan instructor teaches is very helpful in learning how to be effective in a fight *if* you already have an idea of what kind of pressure you're going to be under during the real thing. However, I think the biggest drawback to the art *is* their lack of pressure testing, and to continue to survive and teach effective self defense, they need to rectify this lack. Currently, I have to go to other arts/sports (mostly HEMA) to get my pressure testing, but my local group is starting to up the pressure testing, hopefully we'll see more of it in the art at large.

[@Liquidcadmus]

It's a good idea to try everything out to get an understanding of all styles. however there are styles that have no practical use for actual fighting. nonetheless there might be some value in those styles for other purposes that are non combat related. one of the things I've noticed about budo taijiutsu/ninjutsu, is that there's a lot of variations depending on the dojo/teacher. there's some useful things there for sure, but I rather specialize in a known to be effective striking or grappling art instead. just seeing some of the "masters" of ninjutsu, makes me shake my head and I honestly can't take them seriousl. Maasaki matsumi looks like a crazy old man, and that makes it hard for me to take him seriously.

[@Moffen9T]

I spent most of my adolescence,.between the ages of 15-25, in the Bujinkan. And I agree with your general point. I feel I got a lot out of it, separate from whether or not it prepared me for any fighting. My biggest takeaway was probably from folks who had been in scraps, either through their occupation or circumstances. They pretty much unanimously said "there's no such thing as a good fight". And generally made it clear that once you've gotten into a fight, you've already fucked up. The Bujinkan gave me a really good insight into how cliques and in-groups form, and how people end up hanging on every word from figures with any kind of authority. In a weird meta way, it's a lot of smoke-and-mirrors and deception, mostly how people repeat fragments of truth over and over until they take on a life of their own. Sorry, I'm just rambling now. The other idea you're talking about in the video, about whether time is wasted or not has a name by the way, opportunity cost.

[@captainbeefheart1630]

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[@normanlante]

Having trained in the bujinkan since 85, can totally agree there are many out there who seek the fame of being a teacher. but i have been lucky enough that my instructor is not like that ... he has never sought any type of recognition or accolade ... his focus is to teach the bujinkan on how it should be taught for self defence. The discussion in the video is really good as the techniques are the basics and from that you would then form your defence depending on how you guide your attacker during the fight - your aim is to control how they respond to your defence. Your aim is to make sure they do what you want them to do. And this is what a lot of external viewers don't see in the style - you might see some technique in its basic form which you don't think can be applied in a practical situation... but the aim is to provide the student the tools - that they can utilize during the situation. Knowing the fact that my instructor utilize bujinkan techniques during his time as a bouncer and they worked very effectively - i take that pretty good evidence on the effectiveness on the style.

[@kradilke]

@@normanlante I wholeheartedly agree. It's up to the student to use the tools they were given, and understand the context in which they were created. Similarly, I've been a psych nurse for nearly 10 years, and I utilize Bujinkan techniques against a variety of unpredictable and highly assaultive patients who can fight at their full capacity while you are not allowed to...

[@paperboy1116]

Generally, you can sus out what you can take from certain instructors and what you can’t just based on how you move. But you are right, there are some who just want to be instructors. Not many really respect the philosophies martial arts teach. I’m in the Bujinkan now and my father is working on getting his 15th daidan (or maybe it’s shihan, ranking is weird) so he can decouple himself from his sensei who is competent in the gym but struggles with anything else. There were also some folks at the taikai in Orlando last month who just didn’t seem like they should be there. Then we have people like Stephen fucking Hayes. Sellouts who give the school and martial arts the worst names possible. I genuinely believe in what my father has taught me, mostly because he actually hits me (during training, no he is not like that at home). At the taikai, I came to respect one instructor specifically because she showed how to be a good ukke. You’re supposed to be allowing your partner to do the technique, yes. But you should also look for opportunities to resist and force them to do more than just copy the instructors. I don’t know. Maybe people do think we’re all frauds and we’ve all fallen for it. But I like what this guy said, find something to take away otherwise it’s a true waste of your time. I take away something every time I train.

[@venomsabre2696]

What a brilliant video. Easy sub from me.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I tried a night of Ninjutsu - it was terrible. And not in the technical way, the grinding terrible workouts/balancing kinda way. But if you watch "the Dojo" youtube channel you can see some cool ninjutsu stuff.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

You had a Night At The Ninja?

[@AdventuresOfAzeth]

Weird how dojos differ. We learned shuriken throwing and stealth at our Christmas party as a fun activity, and some weekend training. Most at the time we trained hand-to-hand combat. Weapon training were mostly at seminars, we only started to practice with them regulary in the past few years. Also had some very basic handgun stuff and tactical movements, that culminated with airsoft / paintball, because its fun.

[@committeda]

Was this just a fun Xmas party or real Ninpo training?

[@geoffreyfletcher6976]

Definitely like the video content being presented here. And for the most part, how well a person uses a style in combative sport or self defense, depends greatly on how they are taught, regardless of the style or system. I have seen from my background in various arts over the years good and bad practitioners and teachers in things like; Taekwondõ, Karate, Kajūkenbõ, Jūjutsu, Hapkidõ and even Ninjutsu/Budõ Taijutsu. It simply boils down to what is contained in the curriculum and how such is taught. However, my only other comment is that the few times Ninjutsu did compete in Combat Sports (the early days of UFC, UFC3 and UFC 4), it did well, and the practitioner's name that competed and won was Steve Jennum, a 3rd Degree black belt under Stephen K Hayes, who was also a member of the law enforcement at the time he competed. But I really enjoy the content, and train of thought in the videos presented, so thank you and please keep them coming.

[@captainbeefheart1630]

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[@paperboy1116]

If it was early UFC, that was Stephen Hayes before he got kicked out for selling out.

[@fenkers3249]

I have done 7 years of judo. Than started Bujinkan to learn more traditional martial arts. It was very useful for me. I learned how to punch, kick, use a katana and other wepons.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Did you learn to punch or do you throw the lunging punch that is so prevalent in Taijutsu styles?

[@fenkers3249]

@@CombatSelfDefense both

[@fenkers3249]

@@CombatSelfDefense it was explained that the long punch was usefull in the context of armor.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

that's a justification for something, not a reason to do it.

[@fenkers3249]

@@CombatSelfDefense sure

[@hanzosbm1]

To me, Bujinkan Taijutsu fills an important gap that I haven't found anywhere else, which is to use a combination of grappling and striking ON YOUR FEET to try to end the fight. Two old adages of "never go to the ground in a street fight" and "every fight ends up on the ground" are both largely true. I don't WANT to go to the ground, but a street fight is likely to go from throwing punches to grappling to being on the ground. For striking, boxing, Muy Thai and a few others are very effective. For grappling BJJ and wrestling are very effective. But it seems like as soon as guys clinch, they either want to separate to get back to striking, or take it to the ground. Budo Taijutsu's combination of standing joint manipulation and striking is unique and a very valuable skill that is missing in other disciplines.

[@Peter-the-Angry]

I really enjoy this channel. Always thinking outside the box and giving analysis on other styles instead of "this style sucks".

[@CombatSelfDefense]

I appreciate that! Thank you

[@Insanity187]

Bujinkan teaches you how to break bones and kill, "its a waste of time" because its not advertised in ring fighting. Good luck against a expert bujinkan and boxing mixture etc in a street fight 😂

[@CombatSelfDefense]

So your recommendation is that someone combine taijutsu and boxing

[@Insanity187]

@@CombatSelfDefense any contact practice that you can do with sparring is "good enough imo" Bujinkan is full of katas that you must learn for years. In the end. If you get into a real situation then you will use a small portion of what you have learned thanks to muscle memory You should learn how to box or muay thai or wing chun etc. Any martial art is never a waste of time if you have a great teacher.

[@Insanity187]

@@CombatSelfDefense you can never learn too much. You can only learn to add what you allready know

[@smalec123]

@@Insanity187 Here to agree - spent more than a dozen years in Bujinkan, rose to 3rd dan and was near 4th when life pulled me away. Hold a 1st dan in Jujutsu that I picked up later. Muscle memory is real and practical, and in my sparring with others - e.g thai boxers, wrestlers. - I always felt hampered by not being able to go for breaks and shots that would be more than frowned upon. My experience was a slow, slow grind of technique - ala Aikido practice - leading to advanced break and kill techniques done at high speed and to the limit. Lots of weapon work, big focus on practical items - chains, sticks, handful of keys - in addition to katana, hanbo, etc. I found that, when supplemented with heavy bag work and general striking discipline, that was a winning training routine. However, the number one lesson always was how to avoid and exit combat, rather than how to engage in the losing battle of a street fight - always the right approach in my book.

[@Anshu-Kajika]

Good Video. Great Points. Techniques are only fight examples to show student how two bodies interact within time and space. it does other things as well, but I will leave it here for Other Martial Artist to discover for them selves!!!

[@davidkump4345]

Prearranged "techniques" or katas are just traditional forms used to demonstrate /teach certain principles, strategies, concepts, and or ideas. Which can then be applied to a variety of situations using variations, and when resistance is met with experience they become VERY practical.... Just my $0.02.

[@GhostSamaritan]

The best way to win a fight (especially against someone with a melee weapon) is by running away. Bujinkan incorporates lots of "freerunning" type of skills that allow you to run away from pretty much anywhere. Thus it's the best martial art.

[@VikingMale]

I’ve found stealth quite useful over the years.

[@sasoriko]

Strategically shinobi are used for stealth missions and assassination. They aren't there to "fight" they are there to complete their mission without engaging in direct combat. Therefore the training should be on stealth and when discovered flight, anti-interrogation tactics, etc. If you want to learn to bang then don't do ninjutsu. If you want to learn to never be seen and vanish if spotted so you can run and how to use every dirty trick in the book and have presence of mind to do so... then yeah.... do it. Ninja don't want to engage... that's why they're THROWING their damn weapons... lol. If ninja were an animal style from kung fu they would be the cuddlefish.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Fair enough point, but you do realize that Budo Taijutsu is sold as a martial art? The Bujinkan as an organization, or the various ryuha can be martial art AND espionage AND evasion AND whatever you want, but an amphibious vehicle that can't go in the water is just a vehicle.

[@sasoriko]

@@CombatSelfDefense You don't think it's a martial art? I would argue that it makes a great martial art. I would not choose it as a 'fighting' art and especially not as an unarmed fighting art. I think we agree there, but you tell me. I've not commonly seen it sold as a fighting art.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

@@sasoriko I think it's a martial art with bad combat training, whether we're talking unarmed or armed. I believe the other aspects of practice within the style (like the stealth, the ukemi, the misdirection) are all very useful, but their combat skills and practice are not the most effective.

[@sasoriko]

@@CombatSelfDefense I can agree with you there lol. I feel that this style is a textbook "-do" in the same vein as Aiki-do, and Karate-do. It is very different from effective combat arts like Aikijutsu, Jujutsu, Karate. Just from the philosophical angle -do and -jutsu are very different. Ultimately I'll refer back to Bruce Lee when he said 'you can't learn to swim on dry land' although I will tell you my couch back float and back stroke are ah-frickin-mazing!! You are right when you basically say it's up to you as the student to know what you want and find somewhere to get it. Caveat Emptor.

[@jachyra9]

@@CombatSelfDefense - You think so? Based on your first-hand experience studying it? Or watching bad representations of it on KZbin and mustering that famous Millennial minimal effort?

[@doomgod314]

I guess I'm slowly looking at why I'm drawn to ninja. I don't think I'm looking for Martial arts. I'm looking for all the other practices

[@CombatSelfDefense]

And more power to you, and you have my respect for your honesty

[@thearashisenpai]

At our Dojo, we usually do a week of Go Shin Jutsu, that is the study of self-defense. Really depends of your sensei and Dojo, you have to look and be lucky to find a traditional one.

[@scovilsmusic]

I've defended myself with jutaijutsu and taijutsu many time...the 4 elements of nature and the movement of each is amazing....I've had students who had success at defending themselves too....I aways incorporated situational self defense at a lot of my dojos

[@pipkin5287]

My experience practicing in the Bujinkan is completely different from yours. Especially when it comes to hand-to-hand combat. My teachers - some of them you've shown I this video - have never acted like what they were doing was the holy grail, but they have and do provide me with valuable insight on how you can tackle fights when they're no longer avoidable. One of my most beloved teachers, who happen to be residing in Japan now, always emphasizes how fast real fights are, and how you need to avoid as much damage as possible while neutralising an opponent. We actively practice this at high speeds, as well as slowly, because one particular motion at different speeds helps you to understand what's happening much better on a biomechanical level and enables you to apply it faithfully - while training your nervous system to react in a timely manner. You may be good at fighting - whatever your standards are for that - but it's entirely possible that you get into a fight on the streets with someone who has a knife or a gun, and in those cases, I feel that Bujinkan taijutsu has a lot to offer in terms of practical tools to avoid damage and stop a fight - either by getting away yourself or separating the weapon from its wielder in some form or another. Is it easy to learn? Imo it's incredibly simple, but not easy. It takes time to condition muscle memory. Is it great for the fighting ring? Hell no, I agree that you're much better off with BJJ, boxing and Muay Thai in that case. Oh, and sure, you can throw different kinds of shuriken, but they're much better as makeshift hand weapons or as physical leverage.

[@testyourlimits3023]

And stealth is useless for you because you're not a bold man

[@philipgarrett5009]

Trained in ninjutsu as a child for 4 to 5 years in the nineties. Back in martial arts training now in Muay Thai (ten months)now and loving the journey. Recently attended a Taikai with a prominant Japanese master but walked out after a few hours. Participants I trained with were, very skilled themselves, but confused and uninspired by the demonstrations and explanation given . The Sensei was glossing over things and in short was not passing information on in a successful way. Things were not described in the same spirited, philosoophical way as what I had learnt as a kid and I left in the first afternoon. Having said that the Taijutsu is in my blood, it left its impression on me and to quote Hatsumi, it is time to "beat my own trail" . Have since made contact with a small school ran by an ex student of Hatsumi organization and commute there when I can. The future for me means, I no longer place Ninjutsu on Mount Olympus any more, but I experienced enough of it to give me a clear aim of trying to 'be in the moment' and will train in and be open to, any other disiplines , piecing things together for myself now.

[@anthonyregalado7336]

In my opinion, the only time you waste your time is by deciding to learn or try nothing.

[@FredKuneDo]

I did a year of "Bujinkan Ninjutsu", when I was 12-13 years old. But this 1988/89 and there was a "Ninja Craze" around, mainly coming from the "American Ninja"-movies starring Michael Dudikoff (which is bit funny, because the choreograph of the movies and Dudikoff himself were actually more into Karate, same with the other "popcultural Ninja", Sho Kosugi) Was it a waste of time? No. I was a bit embarrassed, because the punching and kicking was not what I expected, but Bujinkan taught nice breakfalls, shoulderrolls and basic japanese Jiujitsu like the hip or shoulder throws. I do not regret it. It was fun. Afterwards I had the orppotunity to take classes in Shotokan, Taekwondo and "American Kickboxing", but finally found my love in training "Dutch Kickboxing" & Kyokushin. I really think for "self-defense" it is important for both paracticioners in striking and/or grappling arts, to test their skills in combat sport sparring variants, to get a clue what may be to unrealistic against a resisting opponent and do not get false confidence in their abilities.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Taijutsu is definitely better as a stand up grappling system than it is a striking system, but I agree. Take it on its own merits and it’s pretty fun.

[@ShinobiShaman]

@@CombatSelfDefense I'm actually considering taking up Bujinkan under a Von Donk black belt. Von Donk was an old school Hatsumi student, & claims to have learned some actual Ninjutsu from Hatsumi, before Hatsumi switched to teaching only budo taijutsu. From what I understand, once things went commercial for Hatsumi, he dropped the Ninjutsu training. It sounds like you learned a little bit of it though. Besides the ninjutsu, I like the weapons training that Bujinkan has. Out of any Asian style of martial arts, I think I'm fond of Japanese weapons the most. However, I would stongly suggest to anybody who trains Bujinkan, that it might be a good idea to cross train in another martial art for empty hand self-defense. Because I have to admit, a lot of the unarmed taijitsu techniques look questionable. I definitely don't think you wasted your time though.

[@jachyra9]

@@CombatSelfDefense - If you're separating striking from grappling, then you don't know anything about Japanese martial arts.

[@eddiehizo5682]

Cross train to another martial arts? Hmmmm. Trying to water it down. The bujinkan (killing arts/battlefield usage) is an old martial skills that modern budo ( karate-do, judo, taewondo, hapki-do, ken-do, jeet kune do) art got from but changed to make in civilized and non killing/battlefield non-battlefield)arts. No.

[@FredKuneDo]

@@eddiehizo5682, the Bujinkan "Ninjutsu" is also a "Budo Art". The name used by Masaaki Hatsumi for his stuff is actually "Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu". (but it is difficult to define which Martial Arts are "Budo". Originally only "sophisticated" japanese Martial Arts were considered "Budo". Korean arts may also be considered "Budo" because they were mainly founded by praticioners of japanese "Budo" styles. Jeet Kune Do on the other hand is NOT "Budo") On the overused term "watered down" and crosstraining: Well, if someone is telling you, that crosstraining in another style, art or combat sport will "water down a martial art", he is most likely someone with little knowledge, or running a "McDojo cult".

[@DarklandsSlayer]

Wanted to check out opinion about ninjutsu Got great philosophy lesson Thank you

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Glad you liked it!

[@eddiehizo5682]

How long did you study bujinkan?

[@ericshepard3514]

"You're not going to get paid and your wife is going to leave you"😆😆 Tragic

[@ryufight7987]

Bujikan is definitely not a waste of time. BUT it does take time and knowledge to be able to use those skills if needed in real life . Like with all ninjutsu combat systems ! In my own humble experience, I started really appreciating bujikan based systems when I got a little older and had more experience in combat systems in general .

[@JamesGough1]

Bujinkan taijutsu, or more importantly, what soki hatsumi teaches is vastly more than punching qnd kicking etc. There is a while field of medicne , that ive used in clinics and with my family for decades, and other aspects that touch EVERY part of your life. Its a shame you weren't shown that.

[@JamesGough1]

The medicine is Amatsu btw

[@negativeionz]

@@JamesGough1 Can you refer me to some sources on the medical practices? Too bad you're not located stateside. I'd love to learn more about it.

[@aaronmcintosh2903]

You do realize that Soke Hatsumi is considered by the vast majority to be nothing but a purveyor of a number of McDojo's himself, don't you?

[@gingercore69]

Interesting, i keep watching videos of people who Say they didnt lesrn to.fight in bujinkan, my experience was very different... I had done a style of karate and some self defende as a child, and i had played fight with bigger kids all my youth do i probably got some of it from.that, but its clearly not the curriculum of a pro.fighter... when i was 15 years old i did bujinkan for a while and they basically made us roll in s similar way to bjj but starting from our feet and using bujinkan specific techniques... That same year the gym i went to closed over night... I went to a korean karate style called soo bahk do... And when i was there i had my first sparring session with the insteuctor, he did thst to make sure i wouldnt do something stupid and hurt other students in sparring, so i couldnt even touch the guy but my footwork was good enough to escape from slmost everything, and when he cornered me st the edge of the ring and did a spinning kick, i did s roll under his kick and got behind him... There he said "that was great but you cant roll like that in s tournament" So i did that style for sbout 2 and s half years... Then moved to snother city and there were no gyms to do that, so i decided to try boxing... My footwork from the ksrate style snd bujinkan was pretty good but my hands were not, i lasted 3 months in that gym and had to stop going cos the only punches i knew that i could use were straight punches... reverse punches and hammerfists were not allowed... And i really missed kicking and grappling... So i went to sanda... There i noticed that my punches were much better thanks to boxing than they were before, even if i was only 3 months there... I missed striking on the ground snd grappling on the grounf so i decided to do shotokan and bjj... In shotokan i felt at home, in bjj it was one problem.sfter the other... First day i couldnt escape the closed guard from one of the blue belts so i did a leglock from bujinkan and the instructor came running to tell me it wasnt allowed, so then i was rolling with another guy who wasnt a bluebelt but had been training for years on and off(so he went to train a few months, stopped, came bsck, etc) he was on top of me and i couldnt escape with what they taught me so i stuck s finger under his jawline snd then did their techniwue, turns out thats not allowed either... Then i got to roll with a guy who went for s double leg, i sprswledand got domehow to catch his head with my thighs, so i remembered a weird thing we did in bujinkan that was somewhere between s choke and a neck crank... And yeah, again it wasnt allowed... When they taught us the omoplata i tried it but didnt get the hold right so i did a wristlock, and wasnt allowed either... Then i did a throw that is from the basic throws of bujinkan and turns out its also forbiden(you lift the guy and let them fall, somehow it countd a slam in bjj...) The peice of the gym went toonhigh and i had to stop going... So i went to sipalki, wich is basically what bujinkan would look if it had tournaments... And suddenly everything was allowed, and i found myself using ninjutsu techniques all the time, more than the bjj, boxing and karate style techniques... So i dtarted bujinkan again and now i do both sipalki and bujinkanst the same time because both complement each other pretty well

[@theoriginalmakaaka101]

I believe that the UFC number 3 had a Ninjutsu practitioner as the winner. Steve Jennum. At 1 or 2 points I remember him using some taijutsu that I recognized.

[@user-tq4pc6nh7j]

It's simple as. There's a style out there for everyone no ifs or buts. It's the effort you put into that style is what you'll get out of it.

[@yourleftisttesticle]

I did bujinkan for a few years. Every single second in that dojo was a waste of time.

[@testyourlimits3023]

You need to learn something, taijutsu is a long way training. You'll only learn to fight in it after a year or so. Why? It's not based on preparing you to fight as quick as possible and spar, it is based on surviving any situation with almost any opponent. You'll only be able to fight with taijutsu after one year of training or more. Thanks to it I understand almost every MA and can quickly adapt. It's not based on striking, but creating the human that will overcome any situation from the inside out, not just spar. Taijutsu has secrets you learn only on the road.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Except I trained it for four years.

[@testyourlimits3023]

@@CombatSelfDefense It's incomplete, not wrong. It's missing things, remember they're close with valuable things like from any country people are. To give you a hint, to better understand taijutsu, you need to practice ken-jutsu and see kendo fights and you will understand the speed that things demand. All ninjas knew to fight the sword remember that you need to practice with a real feeling. Forget the master expectations for a minute.

[@JEGOJAMS]

I took a lot of bujinkan classes around 2009 and I still remember and use kyusho points until today in case shit got real lolll

[@Shadowman9348]

True ninjutsu is actually just unconventional warfare. In its own time it was very effective. It is not a martial art...although if someone wants to learn how to fight - learning any martial art that spars and pressure tests it's techniques consistently will have to do.

[@thevoidire]

I wouldn't call Bujinkan a waste of time. If your looking learn Japanese historical battlefield culture Bujinkan is a great. So in that regard its not a waste of time. But unfortunately in terms of effective street fighting it lacks quite a bit. In my Bujinkan club I'd can say out of 35 men theres about 3 people who are capable of defending themselves and only because theyre very big in stature and they also work security jobs. I had to add kickboxing to my training to properly learn to fight and when we do spar in Bujinkan it too easy. Thats my honest opinion.

[@Shogun8888]

There is no sparring so you can’t practice timing your head kicks or left hook on a moving target that is hitting back. Some of the tai jutsu moves are similar to other forms of martial arts. It’s only so many ways you can manipulate the body. Also sucks to learn ninja art is not real. There was no historical ninja art. All we had were samurai clans. Some samurai did espionage work.

[@ThePsychoguy]

BBT is basically old school Japanese jujutsu, with weapons. It’s not strong in the unarmed side because feudal Japanese warriors, who originally built the art, weren’t concerned with it. Training it seriously focused on weapons can get you competent at weapons, which is what the art is for.

[@demoskunk]

Yes, and a lot of the kamae, strikes, and general movements are meant for wearing armor.

[@bujindork]

I can see that but then Bujinkan pushes how effective their unarmed style is when it isnt really much different than aikido or kenpo in effectiveness. Id say they should just concentrate themselves as a weapon training school and spar with them kendo style.

[@jovanyoung4236]

Haha that's the point to use no power in unarmed techniques😅

[@negativeionz]

@@bujindork It's really nothing like aikido or kenpo. The effectiveness of it is obviously subjective. I've made it work unarmed many, many times. And I wasn't hurt doing it. Often against people experienced with violence, larger opponents, or multiples.

[@twooharmony2000]

2:42 nice mention.-Ernie Moore Jr.

[@YouStupidBunny]

My fighting style is a combination of Tae Kwon Do, Aikido, and Scooby Do. It's like I'm using cheat codes.

[@duffry]

I studied in the Bujinkan for several years a couple decades back. I felt the lack of sparing was a gap in the teaching and my confidence in it waned. So i looked about for other classes to attend as well. Aikido, TKD, Kung Fu, all had the same gap. I think BBT gets a worse rap because people expect more and there a lot of ego in the field. Partial Arts need supplements, everything is a partial art.

[@italopetrucci8814]

Yes. It is a waist of time. But, it helped me to learn karate faster than never!

[@LIONTAMER3D]

Let's be perfectly clear: there's no ninja-specific martial art. They studied jiujitsu & kenjutsu, just like everyone else. The only "martial art" unique to the shinobi was Fudo-ryu, which teaches absolutely no fighting techniques (it's all outdoor survival & bushcraft, like us army ranger training)

[@timothysmith6549]

The thing with all these "my style is better than yours" videos is the fact that they often fail to differentiate between martial arts for sport and those for use purely for self defence like the video above. Lots of "sport martial arts" like Muay Thai and MMA don't teach anything about specifically trying to intentionally seriously injure, maim or kill the opponent. For all their, "yeah we're the toughest martial art on the block" they lack much in terms of real life and death self defence. There's a reason why militaries around the world teach their respective combatives. The USMC for example teaches MCMAP instead of MMA, BJJ, or Muay Thai for a reason. Lots of Bujinkan actually comes from traditional Japanese Jiu-Jiutsu which are effective self defence techniques when learnt correctly. Like everything though it comes down to who is teaching it and what in the art is combat effective and what is not. That goes for all martial arts, even the ones like BJJ, Muay Thai, Kempo, etc, etc which like to think they're the toughest kids on the block but aren't necessarily the be all and end all in a combat situation. BTW and this comes from personal experience, special forces training often involves guest trainers coming in for training sessions to increase the breadth of knowledge in terms of technique, and this can range from high level Aikido, Jiu-Jiutsu and even Bujinkan sensei.

[@negativeionz]

Did you know a lot of the MCMAP curriculum has Bujinkan techniques in it?

[@righteousshadowsdojopt.3979]

What video is that at 7:06?

[@CombatSelfDefense]

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[@righteousshadowsdojopt.3979]

@@CombatSelfDefense thanks.

[@benconforzi5696]

That's kinda how I feel about Tiger style kung fu. Even though I not that good at it. I don't regret practising it because i learned a lot palm strikes.

[@SEN-oz1hq]

I agree there isnt any punching or kicking that is taught for offense. So it feels like its missing something. But you can incorporate any ither art with it so you can choose what style you want to use.

[@desertghost5313]

The other thing you have to remember, the Bujinkan is teaching you battlefield techniques from a time when your opponent was wearing armor and you weren't. It was less a style of "Fighting" and more a style of self defense. The hard part is seeing how those concepts and movements translate into today's world.

[@yokuto100]

First of all, it takes many years until Bujinkan training will really enable you to defend yourself because it is the martial art that requires definitely most time until it really starts working, but people with a good teacher who train kihon happo for many years should be able to defend themselves very well

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Don't you think that's a bit of a sunk cost, though? Why, if your goal is learning to defend yourself, would you want to wait "many years" to do what another martial art can do in a few months?

[@negativeionz]

@@CombatSelfDefense I successfully used my ninjutsu training in self-defense repeatedly after 1 year. Probably even >1 year, honestly. Which martial arts prepare a student for violence in a few months?

[@aaronmcintosh2903]

@@negativeionz Wing Chun

[@firestarter8151]

ninjutsu is not a skill. it is a frame of mind.

[@micahmickles4785]

I think the ideal ninja in the modern era is like Task master. learn it all.

[@anthonyfaanos]

I did ninjutsu for a year or two. I remember a lot of weapon training but it's the unarmed fighting that I actually still remember well enough to practice on my own. Bujinkan was created by the grandmaster of ninjutsu, according to my google search. So I was a little surprised to hear you say you learned no hand to hand combat. Although I think taijutsu does refer to weapons so maybe it was just a dojo that left out that part?

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Let me clarify: the bujinkan’s hand to hand fighting is very bad, to the point of functionally not teaching you anything,

[@anthonyfaanos]

@@CombatSelfDefense my teacher's teacher got into martial arts by basically being a practice dummy for some other kid who was being taught in private by their parent. He may have learned under Masaaki Hatsumi too but I guess it's not the only influence, and that makes the difference. They don't call themselves bujinkan either.

[@nickkarapasas4325]

To be clear: how old were you at that school? Under 16?

[@rengoodmen2879]

It was fun, and isn't that what martial arts is about? Isn't that what having a hobby is about?

[@blackheart1279]

I studied bujinkan starting when i was 22 and gat a black bet 3years later was hands down the best martial art I ever study in I had a instructor who actually taught me to fight with it so if you are not able to fight that sounds more like a personal problem not becauseof the training.some people just can't grasp all of that's involved and that's ok. I, however, was not one of those people it has easily helped me stop a very heavy opponent more than once .. ps i have also studied subakdo and kempo.

[@Dcassimatis]

Just like every other martial art out there, not all Bujinkan practitioners are created equal,... I got all of the things out of the Bujinkan you said you didn't get,... and still training sorry you missed out,... who did you train with and for how long,... did you spend any time in japan in private classes or with someone who did,... the training we did was very hard, painful training on hard surfaces like concrete,.... I was nearly stabbed doing Muto Dori (sword evasion) I still have the T-shirt and Gee with the hole in one side and out the other,... to name just one instance,...we literally got the shit beat out of us training,... hard training,... I also did and still do western wrestling, Gracie Jiu Jitsu, Wing Chun and Aikido,... speaking of Aikido many have mentioned that they never learned in their Aikido school what Steven Seagal teaches in his yet he hold seminars all the time,... I've been you all should go. I sought out weapons training inside the Bujinkan,.... Your training must consider the ground beneath your feet, the sky above your head and the air around you,... If your training doesn't bring you into direct contact with all these you're in the wrong dojo,... if the training is easy and painless you're in the wrong dojo,... if at some point you don't punch full out and receive full out in you training,.. if you don't need a day to recover after training,... you're in the wrong dojo. This isn't flag-football,... this is real life and the fla-football approach to training is the reason most people can't do shit in a real fight after years of training.

[@Filmsource]

Often its not the art it's the teacher or student. Considering the grandmaster often consulted FBI and the likes, training in Japan was always filled with military from all over the world coming to learn taijutsu, who would share their real life combat stories of how the taijutsu saved their life, I think this speaks volumes that it was more likely your teacher, or you as a student, or maybe even the length of time spent training in the art.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

The equivalent of saying “honey, for some people a minute is a very long time!”

[@davidwayne9982]

MOST of what these places teach Has NOTHING to do wtih NINJUTSU-- it's NOT the real thing--- it's CRAP they saw on TV and are making money with it.. Shurikens are real- but they were meant to be a DISTRACTION against armored guards that had very few exposed parts.. NOT as a killer. The Samarai were superstitious and often thought the shuriken strikes were "spirits" of warriors.. hence the distraction. Espionage- whch is what the REAL ninjutsu is-- has little to do with fighting.. and what you see in 99% of the classes is BS anyway.

[@getsugatenshou4309]

Wait Wha...dafuq..?!? My wife's gonna leave me..damn that escalated fast!

[@lewisb85]

But then you have guys like simon yeo whose a bujinkan expert but also has black belt in BJJ and train Muay thai on a regular basis. Like he said Bujinkan is the spine of his martial arts practice but the BJJ and muay thai are other skill sets.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Yes people can get black belts in multiple things and one can definitely enhance the other

[@CombatSelfDefense]

@@andymax1 Simon is a good friend of mine. He’s one of the few Buj people I would say is “legit”

[@lewisb85]

@@CombatSelfDefense I actually moved since posting the comment and my current buj sensi is one of simon's students, I know this guy is legit because I signed up for his dojo and the local MMA club, on the days im not at his Dojo he's training BJJ and muay thai at the same MMA club with me, he also said "there's some things you need to learn for grading that I wouldn't use". So he's teaching critical thinking as well as martial arts.

[@camiloleao3249]

Bujinkan is a great tradition.

[@colinbuell]

Master Sifu learned this in Kung Fu Panda 1

[@andrewd6438]

I got lucky training taijutsu, bc my sensei also happened to have a 6th degree black belt in judo from the kodokan Institute and a purple belt in bjj, so we had separate classes for wrestling and ground work grappling on top of the taijutsu weapons and striking. He sort of ignored the stealth and tactics stuff and focused on the self defense/ weapons and koppo karate side of things. I train bjj and muay thai now and I can confidently say my stand up grappling game is MILES ahead of everyone in my gym even the higher belts. In striking I also use a few of the techniques to throw people off and open up a good muay thai high guard. I don't think I'll ever go back to taijutsu but I'm glad I did it and had a ton of fun

[@jonaslindell6503]

I am actually 2 dan in Bujinkan. And am not even that good. I stopped training it after 2 years of training. I had been doing Jiujitsu and Karate which i was better in, but I was a Brown belt and green belt in those styles. Bujinkan was all this slow training and you could get 4 grades in one go. And you payed for grades i remember. Long time ago!

[@joeltirado9499]

I believe you are wrong, to start Bujinkan is not for fighting, is for surviving, Bujinkan is not to compete in a ring, I bet if you compete with any one who had a good level there is not possible way you can win … if you want to learn to fight go for mixed martial arts, if you want to learn how to survive and win most all the time then do Bujinkan …

[@oldmangames9292]

Late to the party - but its really all about context.. What do you want to achieve and what do you want to learn? It's a common misconception that all martial arts should teach you how to fight in the street or the octagon - which is crazy.. Does Kenjutsu teach you that? HEMA? And that's the point.. Taijutsu was always a SUPPLEMENTARY art - intended to be used alongside Kenjutso/Bojutsu/WhateverWeaponyouPrefer-jutsu. It's roots are also very old - which is why many of the strikes are aimed at strange locations. These are actually gaps/weak-points in the Japanese armour... armpits, neck etc. It's also why many of the techniques are defensive. For offence - there was kenjutsu.. Its also why there are a lot of things based on catching your opponents arm/wrist.. I've done medieval re-enactment for over 20 years - 4+ hrs a week hard sparring in armour, using steel weapons. The speed of that is VERY different compared to throwing a punch while topless... Believe me, it is VERY easy to grab a wrist in that scenario. It's also why they don't go to ground - a death sentence on a battlefield. If you learn it to have fun, preserve/understand HISTORIC arts while getting a bit of excercise in the process - you're doing it for the right reasons. If you're doing it to learn how to fight with fists and elbows etc.. you picked the wrong art.

[@AkiZukiLenn]

martial art is just street fight but you practice some formula. Its never supposed to be very much practical compare to killing art. Like you won't think about formula when you are getting punch in 0.5 seconds.

[@clarkethedark9750]

Buddy, I don't know where you were learning what you were learning, but 1) Taijutsu means "art/technique" of the body and it's not a style of martial arts, what it literally means is H2H combat so what you say about not learning h2h combat when training taijutsu makes zero sense 2) bujinkan has 9 schools of martial arts and many of them focus on weapons. So like I've said I don't know where you went to this training and who was the instructor, but throwing shuriken is more of a "fun activity" that's taught in those clases + shurikens are actually originally a samurai weapon and is meant mainly for distraction (perhaps except for the bo shuriken) and no reasonable instructor would claim they are mean for some killer move, that's ninja movies right there.

[@kyladavenport2812]

You can’t judge all dojos by attending one

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Correct, but you can't praise all dojos by attending one of them either.

[@user-cs6wu9xv3z]

So you wanted to learn to draw but took a drafting class... or you wanted to play rock guitar but took classical guitar lessons... Who's to blame? Is drafting or classical guitar fake? Is Sun Tzu's Art Of War a martial art? Some people are full of themselves...

[@eddiehizo5682]

Ok you did 5 years only. You need to keep going. This is a warrior that takes longer to learn to understand this and deeper to see to protect yourself. 5 years and you stop isnt enough to be skill handle stronger and faster opponents.

[@TowerofAboveandBelow]

Yeah, it takes 10 years to learn the entire choreography of an art. But it only takes weeks to actually train unarmed combat to knockout, disable and cripple a human, multiple humans. When that is the actual objective of the training.

[@SINdaBlock411]

"you're wasting your time because you do this thing that I don't like versus that thing that I do like" ... so basically the exact same thing you've been saying on your other video 2 days ago ...

[@DustinColes]

These words are 100

[@oskarjohansson5757]

I have also train Bujinkan before. that I learn was if you fail try with another technic.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

That's all martial arts.

[@user-ex3ui9kw4f]

As a Bujinkan practitioner I can surely say we mostly do unarmed fighting.

[@HeartlessKnave]

I studied for several months back in 2010 or so, I didn't learn what I set out to learn, though I did learn a lot, and the experience has now taught me what to look for and to avoid. I wouldn't say it was a waste of time, gaming and watching trivial entertainment is more of a waste of time than that time I spent doing Buj. however I would preferred studying what more closely aligned to my Martial and Movements arts goals.

[@seanmwelshinski]

I left my taijutsu school after 7years. l learned alot of techniques but never truly tested them plus i don't like more then half the stuff i learned, all of this "reality based" self defense does is teach over complicated moves that are too difficult to do on somebody and then there's the excuse "my techniques are too deadly for sparring". That blocking and wrist lock technique the guy does at 6:53 is stuff we did all the time and i knew already i was never gonna do something like that in a fight, plus there was always NEW techniques being made up so it was holding up my progress, and most of them sucked, and we practiced wrist locks so much it felt like a job. I'm glad i did it but i wish i left sooner.

[@simonjohansson7529]

So true. I trained bujinkan for 11 years and when it comes to self defence and actual fighting i can only say that everything except the grappling is bullshit fantasy stuff to make weak people feel confident

[@seanmwelshinski]

@@simonjohansson7529 agreed, i started doing Kickboxing/Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu and i wish i started doing that much sooner, i was getting my ass kicked the first time i rolled, none of this fancy self defense stuff meant anything.

[@negativeionz]

I actually used that technique numerous times quite successfully in violence. Well, I've used them both separately in violence numerous times. Specifically, I've used ichimonji no kamae to evade a trained boxer before taking him apart in-close and the gyakus I've used in a variety of violent encounters, but routinely for close-protection work, before then handcuffing the person.

[@TowerofAboveandBelow]

You can't spar real unarmed combat. Because real combat strikes are for maiming and crippling and breaking. How are you going to practice such blows on a human?

[@malthus101]

Taijutsu teaches defense, distance, balance, points of weakness on the opponent, throws/takedowns, locks, releases.... it is weak in stand-up brawling, so Western boxing and Muay Thai should compliment that. It is also weak when the fight goes to the floor, so Gracie Jui-Jutsu should be learned to compliment that. Master the stand up, the middle ground and the floor and you are good.

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Essentially what you’re saying is it’s for clinch wrestling. In which case would you be better off learning judo or some form of wrestling?

[@Supermomo2007]

I practice judo and we have in our dojo also buijinkan and goju ryu karate. Should i cross train in bujinkan ninjutsu or karate?

[@thejanitorssweeps5883]

I don't think anything that brings you pleasure is a waste of time, money maybe...

[@coleprivett9125]

I've had a good dojo. And I HATE to say it. Most dojos are posers

[@CombatSelfDefense]

What makes you say that?