The Original Plans for The Avengers

[@matrix-5466]

I always thought Red Skull was underused in the MCU. Having him as an Avengers villain would have been great!

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

As did I. I thought he would play a pivotal role in Endgame and maybe have another showdown with Cap (and maybe even his demise).

[@velmad3894]

Fr, I almost forgot about him and was a bit confused during Endgame

[@ZAYA.21]

He also could’ve been in winter soldier.

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

​@@ZAYA.21well believe it or not, the Robert Redford character in the comics is actually revealed to be either the Red Skull in disguise or a secondary version of Red Skull ( an offspring or fanatic follower). Something cool like that.

[@TypicalPlayer21]

Every captain america villain is underused , crossbones he appears then dies 3 minute later , same thing for zola , zemo is the only one used to its full potential

[@Kalel2.0]

Honestly seeing both Janet Van Dynes Wasp and Hank Pyms Ant Man be founding members like in the comic's would've been so cool to watch

[@dzakkyalexander7926]

Yeah, I think it would be cool if that happened. I hope it happens after Avengers secret wars, because the mcu will be rebooted after secret wars. So there will definitely be a recasting of the founding members of the Avengers, and I hope it's the same as in the comics

[@Orion-n6k]

Atleast we have Avengers: EMH

[@JohnDman2020]

​@@Orion-n6kI hope it's has LGBTQ avengers

[@SecretMagician]

​@@Orion-n6kits been 13 years since it ended. We really should petition for it to come back like X-Men '97. #bringbackavengersearthsmighiestheroes

[@PedroLucas-mg5je]

If this happened, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie would be the perfect actors for Hank and Janet!

[@stsolomon618]

I remember seeing The Avengers in theater, what a experience.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

That entire third act was amazing

[@stsolomon618]

​@@Bulletsandblockbusters I agree

[@ZAYA.21]

😂 I saw the day it came out. I remember I was in 2nd grade and I couldn’t think about anything else the whole week.

[@stsolomon618]

​@ZAYA.21 cool I was in the 7th grade.

[@irvinreevesinbaraj6134]

Ngl, they did the Hulk dirty in the MCU.

[@anubusx]

I agree they turned him into a joke and a coward. She-Hulk was awful.

[@irvinreevesinbaraj6134]

@@anubusx facts

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

He was done dirty in She-Hulk for sure. He was good in Endgame but that should've been a one time thing. The problem with the Hulk now is that they're not doing anything with him.

[@Radioface7779]

​@anubusx When Hulk lost to Thanos it was over for the Character sadly, they ruined him, Thanos should usually win against Hulk however Hulk would never give up that easy and would give Thanos one of the fights of his life yet in infinity War Thanos treats Hulk like a Slight inconvenience rather than a Life endangering Threat, 2008 or 2003 Hulks would give Thanos a great fight, even if Thanos won in the end

[@anubusx]

@@Radioface7779 Definetly.

[@JayL8899]

I feel Ed Norton’s departure gets overlooked a lot. He’s a brilliant actor. To see Ed Norton & RDJ share the screen would’ve been epic. Mark Ruffalo was a nice replacement but Ed Norton would’ve definitely made Hulk’s story/character feel more important to the MCU as a whole.

[@SecretMagician]

I will be a lifelong defender of the Incredible Hulk movie and Edward Norton's portrayal in the role. Edward even wanted a full trilogy digging deep into Bruce and Hulk's mental states. I still dont get why people don't like it. Granted, its far from perfect but putting it as one of the worst MCU movies when The Dark World, The Marvels, Love and Thunder, etc, also exist is crazy. Another factor may be how it's barely been referenced since because of the Universal rights issues, until Brave New World next year (I still don't understand why Leader and Red Hulk are the villains of that though).

[@carlosrivas1629]

he ego is too big and he is a jerk too.

[@classicsonicthewild6051]

It Was Considered To Have Both Shang-Chi And The Mandarin Be Introduced In The Post-Credit Scene Of The Avengers, But It Ultimately Didn’t Happen Due To The Beijing Development Team Not Wanting The Franchise To Have A Chinese Villain

[@laserbeamlightning]

Source?

[@tigertim620]

@@laserbeamlightning His answer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGjPYYWnbqprg7sfeature=shared

[@anubusx]

It would've been better in The Winter Solider if it was revealved that Alexander Pierce was Red Skull in disguise.

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

I disagree. Having Pierce be just a man who lives by Hydra's ideals is much more interesting and compelling than him just being Red Skull in disguise.

[@adrianthearmorwarrior1605]

That would've been an awesome twist.

[@Fortunateis4luck]

Exactly. I love the idea that even in the absence of the Red Skull, there are people who would continue his dream with just as much fervor as he did. “Destroy one head and two will rise in its place” and all that. It would have been too simple if Pierce was RS.

[@SecretMagician]

The thing about this is Red Skull has done tricks like this in the comics where he's disguised himself as a government member to oppress the Avengers. @nathanieldiaz5254

[@ZAYA.21]

Red Skull should’ve been used more in the MCU.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Agreed!

[@srstriker6420]

Along with a few others like have the Masters of evil

[@Name-cp7oh]

One of my favourite channels talking about one of my favourite movies. Epic.

[@KaydenFossenueve]

Ant-Man is the only OG Avengers member that didn't appear on the film.

[@cable7152]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

[@bensneb360]

This version does sound quite fun and I would’ve loved to seen Edward Norton return is the Hulk. But I do love what we got and especially Loki so it all worked out.

[@raulcruz716]

I can understand the concept of not wanting to bog the movie down with introducing a new character like the Wasp. They were five movies into it already and the fans wanted Marvel to finally cut loose.

[@Fhoulghoul]

The idea of saying Joss Whedon was an up and coming director is WILD Joss Whedon has had bad PR currently but it is hard to overstate how popular he was at the time. He was nerd media for like 15 years. Jon Favreau was much more the indie director. Also Whedon had been involved behind the scenes for years before Avengers

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Whedon had directed one feature film before Avengers and it didn’t make any money. Yes, he was popular from Buffy but he literally was an up and coming feature director who had yet to have a hit.

[@Fhoulghoul]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters Joss Whedon was much much much much much more famous and beloved by the nerd community than even Marvel studios was at the time. I’m guessing you’re younger and weren’t a part of the community at the time but Whedon working with Marvel was a massive boon to the studio it legitimized it to tons of fans. Also he didn’t just have Buffy ( which would be enough as one of the most landmark media properties of the decade) but also Firefly (one of the most beloved sci fi properties ever) Dollhouse, Angel, created one of the most profitable independent projects ever with Dr. Horrible and he wrote one of the best regarded runs on Astonishing X-men. The dude was firmly not in the camp of the Russo brothers or the other up and coming directors they’d use later. This was still when marvel was using Kenneth Branaugh and other big name talent. Throughout every step of their careers (until probably right now) Whedon was a bigger name than Favreau

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I’m aware and I hear you but when we are discussing salary, Whedon was not a top level director. Favreau had several hits by iron man 2. Whedon had none.

[@Jason_Bryant]

I used to be a huge Joss Whedon fan, so I kept up with his career a lot. He was very much a master of cult classics at that point. There were people who loved Buffy and Firefly, but none of his shows ever had huge audiences. Intense, fiercely loyal audiences, but not big. Whedon had the kind of fame where he was a gigantic star a comic conventions, but most movie goers had no idea who he was. Avengers was huge for him, and really advanced his career. So "up and coming" does feel weird to me too, since I was one of his fans and was constantly seeing other fans online, but it makes sense in this context.

[@dripfreddyfazbear1246]

Josh Hartnett, Jim Carrey And Charlie Cox Were All Considered For The Role Of Loki Before Tom Hiddleston Was Cast

[@bqw2094]

Godammit , Edward Norton hulk , ant man and wasp as members , and red skull as the main villain , I envy the people in the alternate dimension that gets that movie .

[@ignaciobejar1637]

Wow

[@indianajones4321]

All of these are very interesting, especially the concept of putting in Red Skull, but I’m very happy with what we got as the first Avengers movie is my favorite MCU film

[@hacenedjellout7862]

All of these are so interesting I swear imagine a world with these concepts becoming true instead You could do a "What could've been doctor Strange" because i I've seen that Joaquin Phoenix was gonna be casted doctor strange but he said no

[@Mayo11-i5t]

Not having Norton's hulk was the biggest loss of them all

[@SecretMagician]

He apparently loved the character and wanted a trilogy of movies diving deep into Bruce and Hulk's psyches. What could've been...?

[@TonyZarkua]

You Should Do An Episode For Coyote Vs Acme

[@HuskyzNToyz]

What an awesome line to end the video, “Like The Avengers, it took a group of extremely talented individuals coming together to make it a success” Take notes Warner Bros.

[@c1ph3rpunk]

Warner Bros can’t get out of their own way. Even all the way back to Superman (1978) they’ve actively tried to mess things up. They have this weird penchant for just mucking things up.

[@Braddley05]

Regardless of the fact that The Incredible Hulk didn't set the "world on fire", I still believe to this day that it's the best Hulk adaptation, purely because of the design itself.

[@kdusel1991]

Red Skull would've been interesting as an avengers villain!

[@Manan-jw8lc]

always waitin for you to upload man!!!!!

[@Omar-wq9dz]

Speaking of Zak Penn, I would recommend a video on what could have been for Last Action Hero. The original script he worked on is online, and it’s actually pretty good. It needed more work on the structure and characterization, but it was still a good script. It was meant to be called Extremely Violent

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I’ll add it to the list

[@Omar-wq9dz]

Cool, thanks

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thank YOU!

[@damienchazelle3309]

as much how whedon's career turned out at the end, his contribution to the MCU is absolutely undeniable

[@SethLyons-wc3wd]

I loved the Avengers, but these ideas would have made perfect sequels.

[@beaniebear1122]

I would love to see you do videos on What If scenarios in film history.

[@Omar-wq9dz]

Zak Penn admitted the finished Avengers movie was good, even though he was rewritten by Joss Whedon

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

I don't believe him. He's writer with a horrible track record. Whedon reworked the film for the better

[@eon001]

They should take these lost scripts, and turn them into What If episodes.

[@Skaiser_Wilhelm7938]

Zak Penn is an underrated writer. I loved Men in Black and Ready Player One, and I enjoyed the Incredible Hulk more than I expected. Also, I would love to see a video on Guillermo Del Toro's Pacific Rim 2, a film Zak Penn was hired to belp write. 🙏

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

I personally think he's a very bad writer. I didn't know he did Men in Black which I haven't seen in awhile but Ready Player One is so badly written that its hilarious. He also wrote Elektra and X-Men The Last Stand which both sucked

[@mrgiancarlos]

Another qualitative content from Bullets and Blockbusters and btw please give us the 2 other Disney Circle 7 films between Finding Nemo and Monsters Inc Sequel

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thnx! They’re on the to do list

[@MatthewK122]

Miss opportunity to bring Red skull back to Mcu, like he stuck in Vormir as guardian

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

If they never do anything with Red Skull after that, then him coming back was completely pointless. Could've had the Stonekeeper on Vormir be a random ghost and it would've made no difference

[@Spillow-C]

he should have returned in Winter Soldier too, the villain from that movie was clearly a replace for him, the head of hydra and stuff like that

[@peterfrank3365]

Zooey Deschanel as The Wasp would've been interesting. Summer, or Jess from 'The New Girl', becoming an action hero. It's already similar to Paul Rudd, who was more known for 'Clueless' or 'I Love You, Man', before becoming the Ant-Man. Deschanel and Rudd even shared a movie together already; 'Our Idiot Brother'. It's a shame Marvel never realized Rudd's full potential as the character.

[@SuperbGorilla]

Wasp or black widow , both hot AF

[@chadwells9045]

Thank you so much for these mini docs every week! I love them!

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

My pleasure and glad you dig em!

[@RhapsodyInBlaah]

I really want to read these drafts.

[@DeadRabbitRadio]

Joss Whedon is such a tool

[@faith223]

i like the joss whedon version

[@Nerdyshitaddict]

As a person yes. As a director mostly yes

[@angusng816]

MCU Phase 1 (2008-2012) Total Earnings: $7.6 billion

[@robloxfellow]

Nah it was $3.8 billion,

[@CommentaryCommenter]

You should think about covering The Lord of the Rings sometime. There is a whole lot of unused material in all three movies.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Good call!

[@raedgonzalezspideyfanboy]

Please do what could have been Transformers Rise Of The Beast and what could have been Power Rangers 2017

[@anubusx]

A video on The Power Rangers universe would be interesting.

[@ivanraphaelarosa2369]

I would like to see what would Penn’s original TIH script would’ve been like.

[@toughluck8012]

8:00 interesting. A lot of source say that was RDJs improv line and the smile you see on Chris Evan's face is genuine cuz he didn't expect him to say that

[@johnpittsii7524]

Thanks for the amazing video ❤. Really wish Edward Norton able to continue to play Hulk

[@LoudMouthMesa]

Love the Buffy call back

[@sant748]

Holy moly all of the twist and turns to get to where we are is mind boggling. Who knew.

[@myperspectiveisimnotblind]

Okay, so I'm not sleeping tonight 😂

[@Fuzhou]

Honestly putting the Wasp this early would've been really bad.

[@ZAYA.21]

It honestly would’ve made sense considering antman and wasp wear big characters in the avengers. And Hank created Ultron.

[@Kalel2.0]

​​​@@ZAYA.21I agree plus it doesnt hurt Hank and Jan are founding members in the comics and in my opinion couldve made Age of ultron a lot better if it was Hank with Tonys help resposible for Ultrons creation easily leading for a door open for Scott to take on the mantle of Ant Man

[@TheMightiestAvenger]

I agree

[@MohsanPeerzada]

We would have gotten a antman movie before so wouldn't have been bad

[@ashuebot-tabi4449]

A shame Penn got screwed over by everyone, he deserves credit for his commitment.

[@TonyZarkua]

Plz Do An Episode For The 2004 SpongeBob Movie

[@Kirazz]

I didn’t expect to see Ashley Johnson in this video even though she was in Avengers

[@RedthegamingZoroark]

I just realized but I think the idea of Wasp being in the Avengers was actually reused for the opening scene of Marvel what if Season 2 episode 5 That’s a cool way to reuse a idea

[@nickpapadopoulos6973]

I hope i never forget my experience watching the film for the first time in the cinema....BUT at the same time i want to forget about it so i can experience it once again 🤣

[@WuntaykTimmy1]

I love superheroes I love movies I loooooooove this channel Every video better than tha last Real quality stuff Wattba 🙌🏿

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thnx!!

[@cable7152]

Not just any waitress, Ellie from the Last of Us and then Ellie's mom on the show. Lol. Thanks for another banger episode, love me some Marvel B&B.

[@8anny]

hi bullets and block busters👋

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Hey!

[@alanfoxwolf7233]

I actually have this movie on DVD

[@TheMightiestAvenger]

I’m very happy with the final product in what we got that is The Avengers. Honestly, everything in the movie is what should’ve been planned from the very beginning. I’m glad it all worked out in the end. Since its release, it has become a global phenomenon and is one of the best superhero movies in MCU and cinema history.

[@motherplayer]

Then: "Sorry Jon, we appreciate the unexpected success you brought us and helping turning Robert Downey Jr. into a big time actor who can be two extra zeroes to his price point, but we don't think you deserve a higher fee for your services. Don't get greedy." Now: "Hey Robert! We know your time is basically finished in the MCU, but....things aren't really working out with these new faces and some of the older ones aren't really as enthused as they used to be, so can we convince you to come back, not as Iron Man, to preserve your legacy, but as someone new.....what's that...THAT much, huh? Well, we'll meet your terms because we think you deserve it, not at all greedy."

[@CoolKid1-rx4tn]

Here’s how I would’ve done the Iron Man trilogy I don't know if anyone's said it before, but... I feel like the Iron Man trilogy was too close together and ended too soon. Like Cap and Thor, there should've been a trilogy entry in each phase of the Infinity Saga Basically, this would extend Tony's arc across the Infinity Saga like Cap and Thor's. Phase 1: Hero established - Iron Man, Thor, Captain America Phase 2: Enemy from the past - Vanko, Malekith, Winter Soldier Phase 3: Loss of something important/special - Iron Legion/Arc Reactor, Shield, Mjolnir So, Iron Man 2 would start Phase 2 and Iron Man 3 would start Phase 3. I'm not really sure what would fit best in Iron Man 2's place story wise... But yeh. That's my thoughts... What do you guys think?

[@robloxfellow]

Iron Man 2 should have been released in 2013, and Iron Man 3 should have been released in 2017

[@RedthegamingZoroark]

I really do wonder what the Avengers would’ve been like if Sony allowed Marvel to canonize the first 3 SpiderMan movies in the MCU tbh :0 Cause they did once plan for Tony having a hand in making Doctor Doctor's Tentacles Bach in SpiderMan 2 but that never happened

[@markmagician2471]

But honestly Loki is the origin villain for Avengers and brought them together so switching to Skull would been bad call if it would've happened

[@ernapalomar8267]

Fun fact: John Krasinski, Chris Pratt, Jake Gyllenhaal and Sebastian Stan were all considered for Captain America before Chris Evans.

[@srstriker6420]

I think they should have brought in the Masters of evil in the MCU as Iron Monger’s son Ezekiel Stane was going to appear but you remember the LXG where it’s like the Avengers in the Victorian era.

[@Hershman545]

and everybody blames weadeon, man if i had to rewrite something like that so many times i'd just quit, i say is figie's fault

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

I really hope Jon Favreau directs a future Avengers film one day and that Red Skull gets to do something after he returned in Infinity War.

[@alanfoxwolf7233]

Hugo, weaving. II totally forgot.He was the red skull and Marvel.I just known as the voice of megatron from the michael bay Transformers movies.

[@ethanwood533]

Let’s goo!!! Been waiting for this one

[@boldmusa4480]

So basically we could've gotten a Ultimate Avengers Movie

[@TwinRiver100]

it's amazing this movie came together they way it did ❤

[@TwinRiver100]

of the different history bits of The Avengers movie, i don't think i recall hearing Zoey Descahnel had been considered. that's kind of funny and interesting to hear and consider. i mostly have the image of Jen from New Girl in my head for this and what i loosely recall seeing from that 2010s Avengers cartoon i started watching but haven't had a chance to finish. sounded like an interesting casting choice. i do remember the Emily Blunt Black Widow thing and missing out due to Guliver's Travels tid bit via either one of those listicles from the mid 2010s or a watchmojo video from that era.

[@CoolKid1-rx4tn]

I probably would have had an Ant-man and wasp film and Iron Man two’s place and have Iron Man two in phase 2 So yeah, Ant-man wasp would be part of the avengers

[@alanfoxwolf7233]

I like the villain and Iron Man too.Because he was trying to find his pet bird Whiplash.

[@johnaraya3761]

YESSSSSSSS IM EARLY AND COFFEE'S READY BOSSMAN LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Right on time!!!

[@johnaraya3761]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters lol i know right boss lol

[@johnaraya3761]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters i dont know if it helps but i post your vids in a movie channel i have on my discord. hope thats ok?

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

That’s def ok! I appreciate you spreading the word my friend!

[@arjunvarshney7201]

I still think the shawarma scene is what made shawarma popular

maybe in USA, it was already a popular food here in Turkey and the rest of the middle east. The original name of the food is actually 'çevirme' (means 'turning' in Turkish). The şavurma (shawarma in Turkish) name is derived from çevirme.

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

Pretty much

[@lukewright9031]

Except in other countries, they were eating it long before Marvel Studios was ever a thing.

[@robloxfellow]

@@lukewright9031 before Marvel Comics was even a thing, Middle Easterns ate Shawarma

[@toughluck8012]

I would have preferred red skull over loki. I've never had any interest in any of the thor characters, and like the avengers 1 the least as a result. I just don't find the threat compelling

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

Well Loki is easily more powerful than Red Skull. An army of aliens led by a Norse deity is much more threatening than an army of nazis

[@stevekoller3314]

NGL, I feel like Wasp was robbed. In an ideal world, she would be *the* Marvel heroine.

[@alanfoxwolf7233]

Also, he's agent Smith and The Matrix.❤

[@TimeBomb014X]

So you are telling me Wedon, while making Avengers 1 filmed how randos are impacted by the Chitari battle and realized no one gave a shit and just wanted to see the supes in action? Soooo when did he unlearn this to make him think people wanted to ser a rando russiam family in Josstice League?

[@ChristianPierce]

LOVE MCU VIDEOS

[@AntonioCernam-qr3yw]

Could you make a video on the canceled 2000s Black widow movie

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Sure

[@ejburton610]

I wish Loki and Red Skull would have been the main villains for the Avengers movie

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

That would've been cool to have them as co-villains.

[@a.x.o.s.5114]

is that the kid from the tasm at 9:09?

[@cable7152]

It looks just like him.

[@alanfoxwolf7233]

I do like the mansion that we got in Iron Man 3. I like that Marvel character from the MCU pretty funny interesting character.😊

[@Jason_Bryant]

I'm really not a fan of Zak Penn's writing, so I'm okay with his script getting tossed. Looking over his IMDB page, I see a lot of stuff that I watched, but had really mixed feelings about. Like I watched all of his series "Alphas" which can basically be boiled down to "What if stereotypes were superpowers?" A hot woman who people do whatever she wants, a teen who's good with computers but not people, an overly sensitive woman, an angry black man (yes, his super power was getting angry) and an old white guy who has no special skills, but he's in charge. It sounds like I making fun of it, but that's the show. Zak Penn is always good enough to be a little entertaining, but he's never great.

[@mohamedabdelazim5788]

Zooey Deschanel would have been a great wasp !

[@blackterarsblood]

Good

[@superbatzbatazr7723]

Oh my godI see where roadie comes in late.I would have loved seen that is that rigid cuz I love to read that

[@tespay14]

can you make a vid about the green arrow cancelled movie from the 2000s

[@anthonystrocks247]

YESSSS!

[@Bradknotbotandy]

One-Hit Wonder Whedon.

[@dtape]

I miss when the MCU was exciting and fresh not a soul-less corporate bohemoth.

[@The_Infamous_Boogyman]

How many times u gonna release this same video over the years?

[@NicolasFranco-g4v]

Do you plan on talking about cancelled tv show

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Yes definitely

[@SepRoyle]

I would like 👍 😅😊avengers fight the hulk 😅😊❤

[@Alf-gm7tf]

Please make a video on the cancelled original versions of the FNAF movie.

[@alanfoxwolf7233]

Marvel movies got inspiration from Star Wars. Yeah, that's pretty awesome.

[@Renegade-kf8fp]

Do one on the canceled cw raven (teen titans) show

[@draggo69]

Nice!

[@Gufupandi09th13]

Wish Red skull was the main villain return to Earth from 🌌 space

[@toughluck8012]

I'm glad Norton was recast

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

Same

[@baggin.]

I like black widow but I would of liked wasp better. I’m not a fan of hopes wasp