The Original Plans for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

[@DakariAlston]

I just want Doctor Strange to do stuff with his lore! Nightmare would've been the perfect villain.

[@Crabtrademark]

Me looking at the video being uploaded 1 hour ago and this comment made 59 minutes ago: What the fu--

[@DakariAlston]

@22MakeItShort That is weird. I watched the video on KZbin about 1-2 hours ago, but now it says it was uploaded only 27 minutes ago. KZbin must be acting weird again.

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

@@Crabtrademark Im one of those people, I love it when videos have a controversial title and the video starts with "please watch the video before commenting" hahaha

[@selfiekroos1777]

Instead we got Wandas menopause of madness

[@chadthedad03]

​@@Crabtrademark Magic.

[@Mr.K2022]

Man, wish we got this version

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Man, wish Inhumans was cancelled

[@Danilio.]

Same

[@bibble2396]

@Shoegazebasedgenre0. thats only a version of raimes version

[@raymonreiz]

What a complete waste of potentials.

[@gfyGoogle]

Agreed. The title of the movie doesn’t even make sense for the movie we got. Nothing about the multiverse itself was maddening, it was just the Darkhold.

[@DerpyGustin99]

Derrickson had so much interesting ideas for this film. Kevin feige really held back the potential

[@HorrorbleCWalt]

I wish they’d just stop playing dumb about why they didn’t go full horror….the short answer is money and literal politics (a certain part of the world doesn’t do ghosts, demons, etc.)

[@quakethedoombringer]

⁠@@HorrorbleCWaltI mean, it was still banned in China for a bunch of other trivial reasons. So they bend over backwards for nothing

[@SOM-v4o]

It's not him. He is the puppet.

[@commandercaptain4664]

@I.G.S.A.N.A.G.M True, it's Master Iger who calls the real shots.

[@TodaysArtClass]

@@HorrorbleCWalt Another reason why they did not go full horror is they want the movie to be PG-13. They thought it would not sell if it is rated R.

[@AlyxaundryaWynter]

I KNEW IT!! I knew something felt off about the movie. It felt like Strange and his lore/stories were a side part in his own movie. The original version/order of releases feels so much like a missed opportunity. For Kevin to say "White man, man splaining to Wanda about powers" as a reason to butcher the clearly well made story beats, is wild to me. Looking at Strange as "just a white man" not someone who has lost EVERYTHING and became humbled by his mistakes, trying to guide someone who also lost everything and has yet to grow from her mistakes. The story literally writes itself. Having Wanda go from the "Greiving Madwoman" of Wandavision, to "Remorseful Apprentice of Strange" in MoM to "Corrupted Apprentice seeking to fix what she lost in the worst way" would have been such a cool arc for her character and would have made for a very satisfying emotional arc for Strange throughout his trilogy of movies. Realizing that his ambitions cost him everything, and then being given a chance to help someone in need as the Ancient One helped him, and then ultimately losing her to darkness would have been interesting to see how that would inform his character going forward.

[@johnv3623]

well said

[@juniorjames7076]

This was when I knew the MCU was over. They made Dr. Strange 2 a B-level Rick & Morty cartoon, made Taskmaster in Black Widow underpowered and cringe and Antman Quantamania a bad SNL sketch.

[@Zay-e5p]

You explained this perfectly I agree. I tell you had this version come out it would’ve made 1 billion+ and been considered a worthy sequel to the first film

[@jamiedoe6822]

Also of that was his concegn , it was an issue that was fixable by Wanda beinj the one to help save strange rather than eliminating the story in its entirety . Seems like he had greater problems with the story and just wanted control

[@jamiedoe6822]

To add to my point, the simple story beat to what you wrote is that in helping save strange she becomes corrupted by dark magic and they end up eventually saving each other

[@burntbobby]

Kevin Feige should be the last one talking about corny scenes lmao

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

exactly, the guy who scrapped a great concept because he wanted to appeal to the 'anti white male' agenda should just let the creatives do their thing

[@mymomsbasement69]

Wait, I thought "woke" ideas weren't really ruining Marvel and other IPs and its really just the toxic fandom? Hmmm... how good would it have been if Feige didn't cave to outside pressure.

[@liamphibia]

​@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805Oh my God.🤦🏻

[@1Guason3]

​@@liamphibia wut

[@DrGamelove]

Not to mention that “corny stuff” is what makes Raimi’s style stand out. I can’t speak for anyone else but it’s that “corny stuff” that made Evil Dead 2 a classic to me.

[@MrCheekita]

"They were uncomfortable with ending the show as the next property" MF THAT'S YOUR WHOLE BUSINESS MODEL

[@xapocalypse5548]

and yet Wanda Vision still ended up with teasing Multiverse of madness.

[@BluuBarryAllen]

Like wtf are they talking about🤬

[@lake_cooper]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jpetersgoyanks]

A: Not that

[@jpetersgoyanks]

@@xapocalypse5548very slightly

[@ComicBookDude2005]

Not only that this movie would be the MCU's first horror movie but it would maybe be R rated too. What a broken love letter to Doctor Strange fans.

[@themadtitan7603]

Kevin Feige confirmed it wasn't R-rated from the get-go; "It's PG-13 and you're going to love it" he said & later clarified later it wasn't going to be horror either. There are reports Scott Derrickson wanted a full on A24 level horror film, though Feige denied this.

[@nalday2534]

It was never gonna be rated r and Derrickson is not good at horror. Move on

[@MrX-dw6ip]

Groovy Raimi horror > typical horror

[@themadtitan7603]

​@@MrX-dw6ip I think I'd prefer Groovy Raimi horror too if it was the whole film rather than an MCU film with some Raimi stylistic horror sprinkled in-between.

[@antihypocrites5086]

@@nalday2534 you are completely wrong

[@TheAlphaLegionnaire]

Everything here sounds superior to what we got. Wanda being an antagonist felt rushed and forced, should have been built up more. I think she could be a villain, maybe something like House of M, but the motivation has to make sense to people. Thanos and Kilmonger are popular I think because people understand why they’re doing the things they’re doing.

[@garywintle8023]

Wanda shouldn't be a villain because she is easily the most popular female in the MCU. Make Chthon the actual villain.

[@unknowngamers7749]

​@@garywintle8023all that shit she did wasnt even reasonable.

[@sipalingindonesia]

​@@garywintle8023 so for you she shouldn't be a villain because she's popular? Why do you think thanos is popular? Because he's nice?

[@blacksheep9458]

I feel so bad for Derrickson.

[@kurokishizx]

that's why he left, he was PISSED

[@kingofhearts3185]

Same here. The man was cooking up something great before the studio stepped in.

[@JustinCage56]

​@@kingofhearts3185Ehhhh, it looked better than what we got, but I wouldn't say it was great either.

[@kingofhearts3185]

@@JustinCage56 To each their own

[@JustinCage56]

@@kingofhearts3185 Fair enough! :)

[@mathieuleader8601]

having Strange contend with his sisters death would have added a sense of maturity to a Marvel film

[@Incognito-gh5qi]

Well we can't have that, we need jokes and quips every two seconds instead, right?

[@shealupkes]

Likely why they removed it

[@marvel-uppermoon]

You new to Marvel?......

[@ILoveJapan28A]

Yes true I hate Kevin and whoever else was in charge of changing this

[@BluuBarryAllen]

Kevin thinks he knows best, but he doesn’t. I hope he goes broke

[@torrencesampson3584]

Bro got better searching skills than the FBI

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

The Bullets and Blockbusters team could solve so many unsolved crimes but Im glad they chose the higher calling (quality YT content).

[@tyrannozilla]

@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805 Bullets and Blockbusters on this week's "Unsolved Mysteries."

[@Moefongoh]

I wish they’d post their sources for all their information

[@argosbrave6415]

@@Moefongohthey’d probably lose them if they did

[@cable7152]

He really is the best.

[@ahmad55]

I’d rather have a Dr Strange Movie with Nightmare instead as the main villain. Would have been a good way to introduce Sleepwalker and have a Sleepwalker tv show tie in.

[@themadtitan7603]

Agreed. I love the idea of the sequel villain being a step up in stakes which are also more psychological/internal like he compared to Joker in The Dark Knight.

[@alexdawson4571]

@@themadtitan7603Exactly. And it makes sense to do it post-IW & Endgame. Doctor Strange is the kind of character who doesn’t really talk about his feelings much, so you bring in Nightmare as a way to explore those fears.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

@@ahmad55 I love sleepwalker

[@Ash-Winchester]

I thought I was the only one who knows who sleepwalker is.

[@sipalingindonesia]

They added America Chavez so that they can use her in future project, sadly she's about as memorable as Obadiah Stane!

[@PredsjednikGustavo._]

How is it that everytime a movie drops and turns out to be ass an original version resurfaces and is million times better than what we got!?!?!

[@JulyYunico]

Because of Kevin Feigi woke mind. Here 3:08

[@SirsasthNigam.]

It was from Black Widow itself 3rd act was totally rewritten while shooting The entire phase 4 had Crappy release schedule which made Quantumania and Secret Invasion suffer as of after both till 2024 We are totally clear of Razzies (0%-50%)

[@cliveroberts8760]

@@JulyYunico do you know what woke means?

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Before Endgame: Razzies (0%-50%)- Inhumans (11%), Iron Fist S1 (20%) Razzie dodgers (51%-70%)- Incredible Hulk (67%), Thor 2 (67%), Both Punisher seasons (62% & 68%), Iron Fist S2 (55%) Oscar dodgers (71%-90%)- Iron Man 2 (72%), Iron Man 3 (79%), Cap: First Avenger (80%), Cap 2: Winter Soldier (90%), Daredevil S2 (81%), Jessica Jones S2(82%), Jessica Jones S3 (73%), Luke Cage S2 (85%), The Defenders (78%), Thor 1 (77%) No MCU project after Endgame has been a Razzie (0%-40%)

[@SirsasthNigam.]

@@JulyYunico No matter how ethnically, racially, sexually or any way diverse cast you have, If your film or series has Inhumans - level writing, It just won’t work just like Wish and Madame Web The IMAX presentation of the first two episodes grossed $3.5 million worldwide. "Nobody is going to root for a cast of characters who stand for discrimination, eugenics, and racism." with 5 out of 8 episodes having zero plot and zero-character development -Inhumans review. How did MCU went from Homecoming and GOTG2 to Inhumans in 2017? kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4S0ZmBvlLKhbrMsi=pIe9gikfJUaYpLad Velma- twerking over dead body and Inhumans -Medusa - absolute jerk to everyone around her except her family, making you feel sorry for everyone she meets on Earth and has no storyline -Crystal - Super racist towards humans Dumb lacks any critical thinking

[@tyrannozilla]

Doctor Strange 2. Starring America Chavez and Scarlett Witch. Co-starring Doctor Strange. That's pretty much what the final film felt like.

[@DarkKnight-t2w]

Yeah couldn't say it better my self

[@tyrannozilla]

@@DarkKnight-t2w Thanks.

[@DarkKnight-t2w]

@@tyrannozilla your welcome

[@spock_elvis]

Please append the words "if you're an idiot." to the above post.

[@tyrannozilla]

@@spock_elvis It's not that I'm an idiot, it's how the film actually felt.

[@nunocampos1805]

The Derrickson version sounded way better than what we got.

[@Leonardo-oq2qf]

Discovering this channel has helped me realize 2 things. 1. Sometimes we were saved 2. Sometimes we are FUCKING ROBBED

[@Tuntira]

Very good point, it really does work both ways. In this case, Derrickson's ideas sound better than what we got. Would it have actually been better, I'm not sure.

[@commandercaptain4664]

Tuntira Derrickson did have a habit of overloading these movies, but otherwise, his would've been truer to Strange.

[@themadtitan7603]

Lots of seemingly lost potential in Scott Derrickson's version. A tighter story with more character focus that would've given a lot of rich material for Cumberbatch (given he felt Strange was lost in the mix), a powerful bit of backstory & horror with his sister drowning in the lake, a psychological, internal threat in Nightmare, potentially more organic connectivity with WandaVision and set up for her villain turn. A unique full dive into another genre that reports compared to an A24 horror. It could've been one of those sequels that transcends the original in every way & a top 5 MCU film.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Agreed!

[@alexdawson4571]

Right!? But nope! Apparently, it was more important for Kevin to micromanage Derrickson out of the director's chair, just so he can turn around to micromanage Raimi, while giving his boyfriend, Waldron a pass to do whatever the fuck he wanted.

[@EliteAsian14]

“Feige didn’t like the idea of a white male showing up and mansplaining to Wanda how her power works” HE WAS LITERALLY THE SORCERER SUPREME

[@AlezarGorewich]

I seriously don’t get this either, the takeaway would have been that Doctor Strange, who was trained by a powerful sorcerer, is now training another powerful sorcerer. Literally the student becomes the master, then takes on a student of his own.

[@ChisomagaIhezie]

and scarlet witch's character was assassination anyway.

[@Nuudson007]

Apart from that, I dont think it wouldve really worked anyway, since Wanda is a witch, with completely different powers

[@m128alter2]

And then people complain when we point out woke stuff. It always interferes with what could have being a good product.

[@tbuckley2031]

Iyou didn’t want the trope of man showing up and solving all her problems… so you went with the women are just crazy sometimes trope 💀 they’re equally bad

[@Theo-bk6qj]

It actually sounds a lot more interesting and fit the title so much more. Unlike the film we got, the stake is far more believable and strange struggling to defeat the antagonist(Strange is for some reason heavily nerfed in MoM consider he was quite OP in Infinity War). And it wouldn't felt like a repeat of WandaVision or that we need to watch WandaVision to actually understand her motivation.

[@themadtitan7603]

Yeah, I would've preferred a more psychological villain in Nightmare for Strange having us explore the dream dimension and Wanda's turn being set up for another project rather than having her turn immediately after WandaVision.

[@garywintle8023]

Obviously Nightmare would be the main villain with Chthon "on maneuvres".

[@djmattblack]

This sounds so much better than the version we got

[@dragonrings14]

They need to get Scott Derrickson back to do Dr Strange 3 and finish his Nightmare film as planned. What a great idea and the first film is still one of the strongest MCU entries

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

No joke, I cant think of a single dud this channel has produced. I can count on one hand how many channels I watch that put this level of dedication and care into their content. 10/10 popcorns, would recommend

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated!

[@NicolasMHarrison]

0:20, I already like this better than what we got.

[@aaravpundir7379]

That gave me nostalgia

[@Sonicman4155]

Agreed

[@anubusx]

I wanted a solo Dr Strange film with Nightmare as the main villian that leaned into the horror.

[@alexdawson4571]

Me too, man. I love Nightmare and wanted to see Strange battle him on-screen. Plus, if what Beau DeMayo said is true, Nightmare was to be revealed to be a Stephen variant who'd been corrupted by The Darkhold. I'll admit, I don't like that idea from an adaptation standpoint, but I think I get where Derrickson is coming from (if true). It would be a powerful, chilling reminder for Stephen of what could happen to him if he doesn't confront his fears. But that's just my take on it.

[@Luke_SkywaIker]

You’ll get your Dr. Strange solo film when you fix this DAMN DOOR

[@BluuBarryAllen]

Dr strange deserved an amazing movie and nightmare deserved some live action spotlight

[@anubusx]

@@BluuBarryAllen He was done dirty in Multiverse Of Madness and No Way Home.

[@riyansita9568]

"Keep your Corny scene" The Audacity

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Raimi's flair is what saved the movie for me. To think Feige tried to limit it... This the proof I need that Phase 4 being MCU's "experimental Phase" was a lie.

[@motherplayer]

I already had a feeling Raimi was still being limited, but hearing that about the stare scene really shows me Feige was more interested in the fame of "That guy who directed those Spider-Man movies you like so much so we can leech off that name by association." rather than "The creative, Sam Raimi".

[@fng8682]

The whiplash I got from him revealing Fiege almost cut a scene for being too corny. Like did he forget who he hired?

[@themadtitan7603]

A big problem is that all the experimentation & genre-bending is done in the limited MCU storytelling framework. Even Phase 3 was "experimental" compared to what came before with bolder choicer and more diverse protagonists & antagonists after the split from Marvel Entertainment.

[@thadmaster7]

It was not a lie. It was just one minor scene Feige wasn't fond of.

[@yospidey0078]

Raimi's flair wasn't enough even if it is a nice change for the MCU. The script and story are all over the place still even if a good director is behind the camera. Raimi came to the project too late and wasn't 100% Raimi. The movie felt really tame. Imagine if they gave Raimi more time to tell a good story without stupid changes to the script always happening as was reported.

[@uvaldopalomares8416]

Scott Derickson is a badass. I’m in love with his vision. Carlyle of Spill needed to write this.

[@smashblaster1-up190]

Such a damn shame we never got this version of the movie, DP & Wolverine was what Multiverse of Madness should've been

[@commandercaptain4664]

It could've been salvaged if even a small part of the story took place in the Cartooniverse, aka Comic Book Land. It would've been the most accurate MCU movie EVER.

[@Mvstheworld]

I would have loved to see Strange's storie with his sister. It sounds like an interesting way to bring fragility to a character that tries to had to be strong and in control of the situation. The idea of Nightmare using that against him sounds amazing.

[@NickPiers]

Man, this makes me sad. When I first heard Nightmare was going to be in Dr Strange 2, I was so excited. I didn't think Multiverse of Madness was bad, but I would've much preferred what Derrickson had in mind. Also, The Illumnati being set up like the space marines is hilarious. When I watched MoM, they felt like empty cannon fodder for Wanda. They were glorified bowling pins and she was aiming for a strike. Turns out, that's exactly what they were set up for.

[@commandercaptain4664]

Not to mention Strange and Chavez were just spinning uncontrollably through spaces and they ended up in the one pizzaball universe (so glad dimensions are defined solely by what Earth is like) that just happens to have the Illuminati in it. What a coeenkeedeenk! Brilliant writing!

[@kurokishizx]

kevin feige got some very bad takes

[@hkk4699]

Facts bro I swear he’s the reason why post endgame sucks. He’s selfish AF

[@JoeChillton]

I didn't want Strange to serve as Wanda's babysitter either in WandaVision but that explanation of "Man-splaining" makes me wanna barf. That was horrible

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Feige acting like he didn't build the MCU from the ground up. Either Disney had him replaced by a Body Snatcher or he royally sold out.

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

Writer: "we want Dr Strange to mentor Scarlet Witch and teach her to augment her power with Sorcery" Feige: "bUt hE's a wHitE maLe"

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom I guarantee that, post endgame, he was told to get on board with the woke agenda or leave.

[@MinasTsambanis]

The original MOM sounds like a genuine Dr Strange movie. The movie we ended up having was a feature with Dr. Strange acting like a co-star.

[@Rexer-u6o]

The Original Planned Version Felt More Like A Perfect Sequel to The First Doctor Strange Film The Final Product Felt More Like A Scarlett Witch Solo Film With Doctor Strange As A Side Character

[@nathonso_edits]

That original version with nightmare messing with strange by putting him back in truammatic situations from his life sounds 100% better than what we got

[@davidostapenko2578]

Kevin Feige really seems to not stopping on making wrong decitions.

[@thewingedringer]

Yeah but it's easier to blame the previous Disney CEO for your own faults. But Feige has no interest in stopping his drug induced leadership, I mean he just cast RDJ as Doctor Doom, that's all you need to know.

[@foreiignate]

@@thewingedringerRDJ is marvel at this point i mean ever since iron man died disneys numbers have dropped but as soon as they announce RDJ as Doom, their next film that came out a week or 2 later was their most successful movie since endgame in deadpool so it makes sense that Kevin wanted him back

[@Mirthful_Midori]

​@foreiignate Correlation does not equal causation. Deadpool being a sequel to two popular movies, plus bringing back Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, are why Deadpool & Wolverine succeeded. The announcement with RDJ is entirely coincidental.

[@foreiignate]

@@Mirthful_Midori but there is some correlation to it since its all gonna tie into Avengers Doomsday 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Wolvie1984]

​@@foreiignate Deadpool and Wolverine released before RDJ reveal as Doom.

[@Jray181818]

You should do one on the lost version of the movie “Cool World” with Brad Pitt and Kim Basinger. The whole story behind the director losing his version from a studio executive’s son was interesting and also tragic.

[@kingofhearts3185]

I'll back you there.

[@dycebastion]

Seconded

[@realeala]

Same with Henry Selick darktown

[@commandercaptain4664]

As well as Warners pulling the plug on Bakshi's Lord of the Rings second part, which then was handed to Rankin/Bass as a TV special.

[@fabiofernandes9122]

so feige and the studio fucked it up basicly.

[@ILoveJapan28A]

Get rid of them and put actual people who cares about the comics in charge

[@BluuBarryAllen]

Can we get rid of Feige already like eww

[@cdz30]

Man I wish we'd have gotten the original version. This became a Wanda movie with Doctor Strange in it.

[@garywintle8023]

Except they turned Wanda into a one'dimensional cartoon villain and barely eveb mentioned Chthon.

[@dragonninjaghostgirl7981]

@@garywintle8023I know right all of Wanda character development went down the toilet

[@sipalingindonesia]

​@@garywintle8023 they don't care about comic lore, despite how many comic accurate costume the have inserted in their movies. They also have erased knull in the necrosword lore in Thor 4.

[@stsolomon618]

When I heard Raimi was going to direct Dr Strange 2. I was so excited and it was going to be cool. It's a shame that the studio meddle with it.

[@thadmaster7]

Yeah, they sure did meddle....with one minor scene

[@WasiuGiwa-ul4hs]

Sam raimi is a perfect fit for a doctor strange film but sadly this is not a doctor strange film he feels like a side character in this it’s sad doctor strange has a large mythos that if another studio bought him they will have movie concepts for years because his mythos is that large

[@commandercaptain4664]

WasiuGiwa-ul4hs MoM really felt like it had WAY too much lore going on all at once and tried to introduce it piecemeal (oh look, there's a Darkhold... now there's a slightly askew universe... now there's dreamwalking... now there's a Book oh Vishanti... now there's an Illuminati... now Not Christine is naming universes...). I know this is all made up, but this movie seemed EXTREMELY MADE UP as it went along.

[@StriderStryker]

Without the MCU interference, Sami Raimi would have made a really good Doctor Strange movie. It is a shame that it ended up like this.

[@stevencardo8652]

Derrickson’s original vision is exactly the kind of movie I hoped for when I first heard the title “Multiverse of Madness”

[@kjbeast677]

Not making Nightmare the main villain of this movie was such a missed opportunity, especially if they really wanted to go with the horror element. When they announced Wanda was going to be in this movie I wasn't opposed to it, but making her the main antagonist was a decision u can definitely tell they made last minute after they saw how popular her character grew with Wandavision

[@njjoe7697]

Man it must suck to make a movie for MCU Feige giving creative freedom to amateur filmmakers(she-hulk, marvels) and restricting freedom for good directors(doctor strange 2, Thor 2) is plain stupid

[@MinesAGuinness]

That assertion is not supported by what is presented in this video essay. This video essay describes how Kevin Feige interfered in the work of two confident directors whilst they each tried to make Doctor Strange 2. No information was forthcoming here concerning other Marvel productions. I find it highly unlikely that - if he was prepared to try to second-guess and micro-manage Derrickson and Raimi - Feige behaves any differently with other projects.

[@thadmaster7]

Your right. It's not like plenty of directors and actors openly enjoy creating movies for them or anything- OH WAIT! Also I love how your calling strangers "ammetures" all because you personally didn't like the shit they made 🙄

[@njjoe7697]

@@thadmaster7 or maybe do some research before you say something incorrect directors of She-Hulk and The Marvels were literal indie filmmakers with about 2-3 movie in their belt and no more than 11 years of experience in the industry. sounds like a good idea to give them a budget of 200 million, doesn't it?

[@patricky101]

Wether they were pro's or novices, the work produced was shockingly low quality.

[@quakethedoombringer]

@@njjoe7697as much as I dislike She-Hulk, Marvel has been giving three digit budget to indie directors (most were doing low or mid-budgeted comedies or dramas before the MCU) since Phase 1. Sam Raimi, Kenneth Branagh, and Joss Whedon are kinda the exceptions

[@TrentPruitt1997]

lol at Feige. Mansplaining? Really? Sorry, last I heard Strange is the master of the mystic arts and saw all those possibilities of them fighting Thanos. Plus, wouldn’t it have been comforting to Wanda to have someone who can relate to having magic too? Someone who could pull her back to the light. That being said, the original plot sounded fantastic and I wish we could’ve seen a mix of that and what we ended up getting, which I still enjoyed.

[@alexdawson4571]

Yeah. And this is coming from a guy who claims Doctor Strange is one of his favorite characters, too.

[@TrentPruitt1997]

@@alexdawson4571 exactly, come on Kevin.

[@xavierramirez1911]

@@TrentPruitt1997 sadly we live in a world where ppl are only defined by their race and gender

[@quakethedoombringer]

@@alexdawson4571i feel like someone is pulling Kevin's strings behind the scene and he needs an excuse not to do the mentorship arc, no matter how terrible and irrelevant it is

[@alexdawson4571]

@@quakethedoombringer I’ve wondered that, too. Hell, I’ve thought for awhile that Michael Waldron may have had more control than we’ve been led to believe. It always struck me as odd how he was allowed to do as he pleased with the script no matter how little sense it made. Kinda makes me think Waldron had dirt on him he was holding above his head.

[@itswilbur3747]

Should have stuck with Derrickson's idea. Also, micro managing Sam F'in Raimi? Shame on Marvel 🤔

[@JoeChillton]

They didn't learn from Avi Arad pushing him to crunch down on Spider-Man 3

[@alexdawson4571]

@@JoeChillton I know! That's what frustrates me! Dude gets fucked over on Spider-man 3, and doesn't direct another superhero film for over a decade. Then he decides to direct DS2, only to get fucked over again!? Yeah, don't be shocked if Raimi is hesitant to work for Marvel again.

[@thadmaster7]

@@itswilbur3747 they did not micro manage Rami it was just one scene

[@dannypalin9583]

@@JoeChillton I've always had the suspicion that Venom's role being nothing but a “Gotcha!” moment in No Way Home was a jab at Arad for shoehorning the character into everything.

[@gabriellopesguimaraes3513]

@@thadmaster7 You have to be very naive to think that was the only one

[@chrisj617]

Hollywood Execs: "You only have three weeks to write the script." Also Hollywood Execs: "Why are our big movies failing at the box office?"

[@misterchris3491]

The Hobbit movies were rushed as hell and all of them got 900 million at the box office. Sadly that doesn't mean anything always 😢

[@bengalcat34]

Watching this made me want to cry, as a massive Dr. Strange fan I really wish we could've gotten Nightmare as the villain for the sequel. Even if he was a throwaway villain, each Marvel movie should be a love letter to the comics. Plus, it's okay to have a throw away villain sometimes. Because not every threat is gonna be the same. Such as Thanos, Loki, Ultron, and soon Dr. Doom. As a reader of Ditko's comics, it's clear as day that Nightmare is a Dr. Strange villain, just like how Red Skull is a Captain America villain, just like how Ironmonger is a Iron Man villain, it just makes sense. An equal threat to Strange, would be someone of magical power. Beings that aren't just evil, but of an entirely different reality that he'd have to face. I really wish we could've gotten Nightmare, as Sam Raimi is a master of horror. Therefore, sequence after sequence of Strange variants dying or ptsd attacks would've been perfect. Just like the ice lake scene would've been, it's a shame that the sorcerer supreme was Wong in this movie for some reason. It would be a perfect threat for Strange to deal with an otherworldly being after Dormammu's defeat. To aquire Wanda's help wouldn't of been downplaying her accomplishments, it would've given her reassurance that she's not the only one to deal with a loss of a loved one, to face darkness alone while in a mindset that is destructive. It would've put her mind at ease, knowing that even Dr. Strange is tormented every night by things he can't control, and to have Kevin Fiege look at things at face value like that. It makes me realize how much control he shouldn't have, to think we could've gotten gold. But instead got copper, hell it could've been diamonds. If he doesn't even realize that Sam Raimi, the guy who made Marvel what it is today, with spiderman, then what the heck does he say to a more underexposed Marvel director who needs input rather than direction.

[@marvel-uppermoon]

But....Kevin feige is the reason the MCU is what it is today.....

[@BobbyJCFHvLichtenstein]

This version is so much more thought out and fleshed out. It's genuinely a shame we didn't get it in the slightest.

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

Feige be like: sorry, Scott, no fun allowed. You're fired. Also Feige: sorry, Reimi, no fun allowed. Reimi: you're talking back to me?

[@Chiguy79]

I know it's super easy to say, knowing what we got, but this would've been such a better film. They did Scarlet Witch dirty with the heel turn instead of the journey to corruption.

[@dragonninjaghostgirl7981]

Yeah. That makes more sense than have Wanda get corrupted easily.

[@DarthCoco]

I recall rumours of actor David Tennant playing Nightmare (putting Netflix Killgrave aside). I feel he he would have fit the role very well!

[@quakethedoombringer]

Sherlock vs Dr Who, electric bogaloo. Joke aside, David can definitely play the creepy psychotic type, considering he already played Purpleman

[@InsertCleverNameHere0]

This is a more obscure topic, but I'd love to see a video on the early scripts for World War Z, which originally seemed like it was gonna look a lot more like the book. Great work regardless, keep it up!

[@quakethedoombringer]

It would have been a disjointed mess. WWZ works better as a TV series where they can pull the different perspective story better

[@Jordacar]

'MoM' is one of the MCU entries I've most thought about rewriting in my head. In my version the main villain isn't Nightmare (I actually didn't know he was in the earlier draft), but rather Chthon, the elder demon who created the Darkhold and attempted to use Wanda to stage a comeback to the mortal plane. I would still have Wanda do bad stuff, but I agree a lot of potential was squandered.

[@RyanFloom]

Kevin Feige worried it would be corny yet green lights Thor: Love & Thunder and She-Hulk

[@commandercaptain4664]

Even Fantastic 4 marketing intends it to be kitschy with its 60s decor.

[@gechoman44iwantahippo]

If they don’t use Nightmare in the third movie I’m gonna be disappointed.

[@runevi]

This is so much more entertaining! No surprise Fiege shut it down. He's learned all the wrong lessons from Avi Arads meddling.

[@TehBellcarl]

The Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider from Agents of Shield was also in the concept art. That makes more sense considering the Darkhold was on Agents of Shield long before it showed up in the MCU.

[@Nitesh22021990]

You don't know how much I have waited for this!!! Thank you so much.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Hope you like it!

[@Nitesh22021990]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters absolutely fantastically explained

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks!

[@brunofernandes3298]

This sounds WAY BETTER than the one we actually got. Damn.

[@yusuf_aleem]

The original version would have been much better for both Strange and Wanda from a longer term storytelling perspective. Great video! ❤🎉

[@leithaziz2716]

I enjoy Sam Raimi's unique touch with the way he directs his movies, however this story just makes it clear how much of a headache making a movie at Marvel must feel like. A far cry from the days of shooting Iron Man 1 were everyone involved just winged it without much of a script and the actors involved managed to have as much influence over the film as the director.

[@ComixCentral]

Everybody (Marvel) wanna be gangsta, until it's time to do gangst shit... like having Strange do the weird and insane shit he does in the comics that fans want to see.

[@TheGuyInTheCheapSeats]

Exactly. They want to water him down.

[@KennethBattle-n2i]

Feige thought that was corny?????? Did he even glance at she hulk or echo????

[@KennethBattle-n2i]

Hey how about that “Ralph Boner” drop??? No that was corny!!!!

[@BluuBarryAllen]

Right like what is he thinking

[@doggoswift6896]

He needs a reality check.

[@reflection9924]

A Wendigo Forest scene in the nightmare ice lake sequence would've been INSANE and actually scary af. Also I think that Jericho Drumm was also planned to be in the film.

[@JoFloboltz]

I feel Feige has his heart in the right place, but after watching this video i feel Disney should pull him back a bit. Genuinely wish we got this version of Multiverse of Madness.

[@robertjackson9005]

3:51 “to be used in Blade.” If it ever gets made that is. Lol. Still good video though. Look forward to next one as always. 👍🏻

[@garywintle8023]

Chthon and the Darkhold are what Chthon connects Scarlet Witch, Blade, Werewolf by Night, Moon Knight Elsa Bloodstone, etc.

[@arthurvale6748]

7:04 So this was not the right time to introduce Deadpool into the MCU but it was for Professor X and Reed Richards? What a shitty idea, why the hell did they even considered putting Deadpool into the Illuminati?

[@Harper_1984]

So they cut Strange from Wandavision because they didn't want the finale to be a setup for the next project. Yet, they introduced Monica Rambeau and Agatha Harkness who both got starring roles in their own projects. Way to be so fucking wishy-washy Marvel.

[@boldmusa4480]

bEcAuSE hE's A mANnn

[@Rexer-u6o]

Funny How Original Planned Version Felt More Like a Actual Sequel to the First Doctor Strange Film While The Final Product Felt More Like a WandaVision Season Finale With Doctor Strange As A Side Character.

[@spritvio639]

2:58 Soooo. They cut one ending promoting another project with another ending promoting another project? Because I sure can't tell the difference between the cut ending and the official one. Am I crazy?

[@NEOS3C]

so it would have been way beetter basically

[@tesloche9349]

God I'm upset we didn't get this it sounds so cool

[@OrochiOni]

"...Feige didn't like the idea of a white male showing up and mansplaining to Wanda how her power works." Good lord. Is that a direct quote? Edit: Just did a Google search. Feige actually did say that. I'm glad I tuned out of the MCU after Endgame.

[@TopJazzCat]

"Feige didn't want a white male showing up and mansplaining"😂 Disney deserves to go under.

[@THEINFINITEBLACKDYNAMITE]

Imagine if, Nightmare was the main villain, he would've been perfect. All that "Dream Walking" that Doctor Strange & Wanda were doing was actually Nightmare causing it. Nightmare is manipulating Wanda, has control over her, & once she takes America Chavez's power, Nightmare will have unlimited access to The Multiverse. He makes Wanda think that her kids are still alive & need her & we find out at the end that those kids have a Wanda, have a mother, & don't need her like in the movie.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

I wanna see another doctor strange movie from scott derrickson

[@theavereviewer7081]

Damn, nearly all of this is better than what we got.

[@DrOttoEdits]

Now I need the Darkhold, so I can travel the multiverse and watch Derrickson's Dr. Strange 2. We could've had Nightmare!!

[@aaronmoreno4545]

Damn as much as I love the final version I think this version would've still been interesting to see

[@jwanie366]

I continue to wonder how this movie would’ve turned out in a non-pandemic reality, as it was initially supposed to release before No Way Home. Thanks for making this video!

[@moviemechanic93]

Feige: Wow this is the perfect Dr. Strange led sequel. (tears the script). But now let us make him as a supporting role for Wanda who cries for children she never had who kills innocent people.

[@ema4020]

i seriously don't understand the people who defend this movie just because of some shots. it sucks. it's terrible. it ruined wanda's character, strange is sidelined on his own movie, chavez is insufferable and didn't even needed to be on this movie. it lacks raimi's style on some many aspects that no one is going to convince me that this film is good just because of some shots that are just references to raimi's older movies instead of something new. and this video just remarks how much better this movie could have been. no chavez, nightmare as this new, joker-type villain that will drive strange crazy. shuma gorath on a much greater role, exploring the multiverse of the lovecraftian and eldritch abominations instead of the boring cameo multiverse. wanda continuing her arc instead of instantly becoming evil, ect.

[@arthurvale6748]

Btw, love your content Can you do a “What happened with Thor Love and Thunder” next?

[@remarrobinson5196]

Wow! It’s crazy to me how we were so close to getting our first MCU horror film and instead got Rami’s crappy result of a movie. They were afraid of making the story too complex ?! .THESE ARE COMIC BOOK INSPIRED MOVIES!!! Doesn’t Marvel realize that some of their greatest comics were complicated story arcs!! What a major screw up!!!

[@Skaiser_Wilhelm7938]

'Feige didn't want a white male showing up and mansplaining to Wanda about how her power works.' Honestly, I think Feige's kind of cooked. He told his epic creative story, and now he's just content to sit back and reheat all of those concepts and characters, only in a less interesting and less compelling form. Honestly, he's got to go! Also, that nightmare about his drowned sister would've been horrifying yet entertaining to watch. Isabela Merced is playing Hawkgirl in the new DCU, can't wait to see what she brings to the character.

[@vper93]

Honestly, starting every sentence with “honestly” shows how limited your vocabulary is and presumably your critical thinking - honestly, you’re just someone on KZbin comments who thinks they know better than an entire industry, and honestly - you should be quiet, little buddy

[@themadtitan7603]

It could've been portrayed as Strange showing her methods to master control over her power rather than teaching her about the chaos magic.

[@xavierramirez1911]

the fact he interpreted strange mentoring wanda and helping her learn her powers as “white male mansplaining” shows how ass backwards society is nowadays

[@garywintle8023]

Strange has no idea how chaos magic works because it's Chthon''s magic. Chthon,,Shuma Gorath, and Wanda are the only beings who can use it.

[@quakethedoombringer]

@@xavierramirez1911 the funny thing is that he is ok with Clint, Cap, and Vision literally doing the same thing. I guess he forgets what the actors of these characters look like irl. Seems like Kevin just wants excuses

[@Ash-Winchester]

"Feige didn't like the idea of a white male showing up and mansplaining to wanda how her power works" Am I seriously expected to take feige seriously after hearing something that stupid?

[@dannypalin9583]

He cut out the “mansplainer” and replaced him with someone who basically turns into an apologist for psychological abuse. The part where Wanda is forced to release the citizens and Monica basically tells her “There, there” should have been cut.

[@PohTrain]

No

[@sipalingindonesia]

😂 Are you new in the movie industry? That's the norm now, apparently.

[@victoralvarado468]

I remember hearing that this movie was going to be more of like a horror movie and i was very excited for it. But i didn't know they decided not to go that route so i went into the movie and felt very disappointed when i felt like this didn't even have that much horror in it at all. I was like, "is that all the horror stuff they were hyping up this movie for? "

[@milanmisic7804]

The MoM we were robbed of. Would have been much better than the version we got which was an unnecessary cameofest.

[@jeremybarnes3698]

I really would’ve liked to see Derrickson’s take on this film, even though I wasn’t a fan of his first Dr. Strange movie. Not sure if it would’ve been better than MoM, but it at least would’ve felt more like a Doctor Strange film, which the character definitely does deserve. With the way everything played out, both he AND Wanda kinda got the short end of the stick.

[@NorthEasternMotionProductions]

3:10 betting he was just kidding there

[@rcdune7132]

Man I really hope so...🤦🏻🤦🏻

[@j.r.tomlin4265]

We're gonna have a problem if Kevin believes that. He helped lay the ground work he can't be that stupid right?

[@mon_nobi]

You should do a video on the Multiple Man movie that was in development starring James Franco and directed by Simon Kinberg. Would love to see more on how that movie almost got off the ground.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Well, that explains the ginormous plot hole between NWH and MoM.

[@TheGoldenPlatoon757]

What plotholes?

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Chavez is supposed to be the only one who could open a multiversal portal. That's like a big part of MoM plot. Then how come Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Electro and gang could be in MCU?

[@TheGoldenPlatoon757]

@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom That was because of that spell that Spider-Man fucked up because he was an idiot, he could've used Dr. Strange to find him a way to get into the college and if they all know he was Spider-Man, they would've recognized him as a hero for saving the universe, but then again, that was fucked up by Jake Gyllenhal.

[@themadtitan7603]

I feel I always preferred MoM coming before NWH.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

@@TheGoldenPlatoon757 So the spell could open multiversal portal too? Dang, Chavez wasn't unique after all.

[@runthefuture]

5:35 Even though it worked in the movie America bringing together multiversal Peter's makes a lot more sense than Ned doing it

[@tobiaslawrence8928]

Im glad you mentioned the covid situation. A lot of people for get that phase 4 wasn't supposed to be as scattered the way it was and it's not the studios fault.

[@_mr.j_]

This version would've been infinitely better than what we got

[@Goatmeat52]

Oh my goodness the original plan is soooo amazing.

[@Cartoonssolosyourfavoriteverse]

Nightmare should’ve been main the villain for Dr. Strange 2!!!!

[@Louisdinomanasaurs]

I would love it if you did a video on the flash movie from 2023. As there was a lot of stuff that was changed before and after the movie. You've hinted at it with the snyderverse videos you have made, but a full on video about The Flash would be amazing.

[@cammyr12Productions]

The blade connection would've been great

[@Val_ayh]

Feige's reason for not wanting to include Dr. Strange at the end of WV is just the dumbest shit I've ever heard, and perfectly sums up why the MCU has been such a dumpster fire.

[@wilsonram39]

Agreed; Wanda has already shown she's powerful and capable, but she's never had any training to learn how to harness it. Her being corrupted over time by the darkhold and being under Strange's tutelage for a time would make sense and make better use of her as a villain later imo.

[@ILoveJapan28A]

What else is he going to ruin

[@datboy174]

Nah fr. They didn't want WV to feel like a setup for the next project... when that's exactly what it was? Like you had to watch WV to understand Wanda's character in MoM, so what kinda crap reason was that?

[@BluuBarryAllen]

Like he is so stupid, literally every project is a setup for a following project. Acorn brain

[@Domihork]

Damn, that would have been actually cool! AND having Wanda be the villain in a later project would just work better.