Bullpups are Unpopular for a Reason

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[@pinkofastora]

you fail to account for the fact that the halo battle rifle is a bullpup which means that bullpups are better than everything else.

[@purplepenguin43]

Not a small number of People i’ve met have picked bullpups based on halo vs die hard.

[@zwenkwiel816]

Well that settles it

[@outboardprsnlstndup]

Lol

[@SamSam-ih6nt]

Did u really enjoy that rifle though? Hand gun is just savage.

[@Devin7Eleven]

I would be lying if I said I didn’t choose bullpups also because they’re unique and sexy looking

[@adamdyment9732]

The brace ban was perpetuated by big bullpup to boost sales. Also, id have liked to see more data at distance and groups.

[@murusmicmac9544]

big bullpup, lmao!

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

​@@Riorozeni don't hear about any sub-MOA bullpups but I do see a lot of quality ARs 🙄

[@fdr3898]

@@SuspiciousGanymede There is no theoretical reason why a bullpup should be less accurate.

[@JackManiacky]

​@@fdr3898@Riorozen true or false? You're full of excuses.

[@sagunsingh7415]

​@@SuspiciousGanymedeWalther WA 2000

[@finesto3404]

"200$ for a fucking stamp, what are they rare?" So fuckin funny hahahaha

[@AniwayasSong]

Simple Racketeering/Extortion from a corrupt/traitorous Govt. and 'Crew' of Mobsters.

[@davidpignatore6532]

Funny how things are legal when the atf gets their cut. These things are so dangerous but for $200, they're not a problem anymore.

[@rifleslol]

@@davidpignatore6532 When the stamps were enacted they were effectively a ban - $200 in 1934 was (with a silly calculator) equivalent to $4687 today.

[@davidpignatore6532]

@@rifleslol i didn't know that. Crazy. What a business they got going.

[@bruinflight1]

A good list of pros and cons. This style of gun may or may not be inferior to more traditional designs but the takeaway here is to train, train, train and be familiar with every nut, bolt and screw of your weapon no matter what it is.

[@invisibletosociety8338]

Best comment and advice that will save your life.

[@joesikkspac7904]

They suck for rifle bayonet fighting. Same goes for rifles with junk all over the fore grips. Being able to fight with the rifle is extremely valuable. Not just when you're completely out of ammo. Getting engaged in the middle of a magazine change. Running into the enemy where you can't get the barrel pointed at them, a stick with a bayonet or a quick buttstroke can give you enough space to pull the trigger on them or beat them to expiration without having to go mano a mano. When assaulting through objectives, you will literally run right into the enemy eventually. A bullpup isn't within a country mile of ergonomically made for rifle bayonet fighting that's been around since the first guns.

[@bruinflight1]

@@joesikkspac7904 Good point, very edgy (please accept the puns). However, I have not seen a single video on the various platforms on which I view pro-2A content that has ever talked about bayonet fighting (and I watch A LOT of 2A stuff across the interwebs); this honestly may be a great topic for you to make a video of your own and show us how bullpups and bayonets do not mix. Now, I'm not saying videos covering the advantages of bayonets don't exist, but I have not come across them. Garand Thumb may have one from years ago in keeping with the fun tongue-in-cheek style that characterizes that channel. One of the frustrating things for me with online 1st-person combat games is being knifed, but I digress; it's probably safe to say that for the purpose of home defense, which is why I'd arm myself with a bullpup, bayonets are going to be cumbersome no matter the weapon system and may even be problematic if you wind up in court for defending your home from an intruder by employing such an accessory (i.e. "Why did you shoot when you could have knifed, why did you knife when you could have shot..." etc). And, while I demand the Fundamental Freedom to access to every bit of hardware to defend myself from the various categories of would-be wrong-doers in my day-to-day, I think statistics show mag changes are quite rare in the kind of scuffles in which your average person finds him/her self. If you want to 'bring back' bayonets... well, you should make that video and post it! I'd watch!

[@leonrussell9607]

​@@joesikkspac7904the British army make it work just fine

[@joesikkspac7904]

@leonrussell9607 the British armed forces haven't made much of anything work for over 250 years. Argentina almost defeated them. There's not a good enough grip on the lower hand of bullpups. Nothing like the rock-solid and much more maneuverable grip of traditional rifle stocks. Rifle bayonet fighting is hard and jarring. It's not just poking holes in people. It's also a very neglected skill in modern western armies. I can't speak to the former Warsaw pact and other evil doers.

[@fixedG]

To my mind, it's a persistent problem with design goals. Most of the issues are merely a side effect of a fixation on offering 16" barrels for minimum length despite the need to hit a minimum overall length. If a manufacturer would just default to a 20" barrel and full length rail for that, you'd address rail space, optic clearance and too-much-ass problems. Just stop trying to get as short as possible over minimum overall length.

[@arsenal_616]

At the very least, 20" barrel versions should be an option in addition to 16". Makes much more sense than going for an even shorter version of the MDR that you have to SBR because you really need an 11.5" barrel in something that's already short as possible. 🙄

[@djshumoomoo4075]

Crazy that with so many designs no one can quite put it all together perfectly.

[@djshumoomoo4075]

​@arsenal_616 Yeah, the appeal of bulllpups is full rifle ballistics in carbine lengths. Dropping down to like an 11.5 is ridiculous.

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

AFAIK the keltec comes in a 20” configuration.

[@estebanpena6784]

You can get the tavor with the 18 inch barrel and buy the "thin" butt pad

[@mrgrimmeh]

I've noticed that the bullpup designs tend to suit infantry roles that don't expect accessories galore. More specialized units will likely be trained in a smaller circle that revolves around the classic platform. Most (American) home defense and LARP setups gravitate toward "specialized unit" type setups. As a result, not many people or companies have really tried solving these problems on bullpup platforms because there's no demand for it. But given enough R&D and popularity, bullpups could come around.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

Wrong, they are crap.

[@mrgrimmeh]

@@HWG-wm8ld Thank you for that astute insight…

[@prrplex5594]

Most civilians aren't driving up to a place in full battle transitioning from CQC to roof top sniping so the pros of a bullpup don't really apply to them. ARs are really good at specific tasks but the bullpup is a better all arounder, as far as some militaries are concerned. Talking about laser night vision for civilians is like complaining the street outside your home has too much traffic and potholes for drag racing. Few people are trying to do it, and those who do kind of look stupid. Also, night vision and lasers is so 2000's, get an infrared scope if you want to be tactical. Lasers just show everyone where you are these days, it's old tech.

[@TFBlack-ix2cs]

As a basic infantryman we still had a good amount of stuff on our rifles

[@afd19850]

Yup. If you look at us Brits, even the L85A3 is limited to a grip,sling and Elcan. That’s it. Some use a laser or light mounted on the 3 o’clock but most don’t and there aren’t any suppressors. Even the new Ranger regiment has gone for a new AR with all the bells and whistles.

[@RomainM-rv5rw]

French soldier here, i was issued famas and HK416. Always prefered the famas. It feels lighter and handier than the HK. Moreover, on the famas you can turn all the ergonomic from rightie to leftie in 2 like 2 min max without any tool. Ergonomics are great. The rifle is really accurate. The trigger is really good for a bullpup. Changing mag is slower but you can be fast with training. Firing rate is greate too. The only downsize is that you have to clean it more often with rigor because it is a durt/sand/water magnet. And on the civilian sides of things well, it is a really pricy gun for being really rare.

[@Nivelle_le_Gris]

Ouais, tous les FAMAS sont soit neutralisés soit partent en destruction malheureusement une fois hors circuit...

[@RomainM-rv5rw]

@@erik_the_meh We don't need a book, we have a huge 50m arc of triumph with 96 french victories and 166 name of french war heroes inscribed in the rock.

[@allws9683]

@@erik_the_meh When you 've never heard of a Napoleon, Charlemagne (or shall we name him belgian) and Joan of Arc , you're pretty ignorant. Aparently France won the most wars and battles of countries. But Hollywood/UK doesn't make many movies on french soldiers, in english. So you won't know..

[@Vindsvelle]

@@allws9683 Being from the US, I find other Americans' belief in the "French cowardice" stereotype incomprehensible. As if centuries of French warfare history weren't enough, I can think of three letters that (one would think) should put that stereotype to bed: *WWI.*

[@Lextheta]

@@Vindsvelle "if you don't go to Irag with us, you're pussies"

[@DENIS_Biomech]

Google is probably hurting for money real bad because they started to actually recommend gun videos 😂😂😂

[@Mifune41]

Its unreal how little footage there is of guntubers using bullpups with slings. I genuinely had to google to see if it was possible years ago. So, I'm happy to see you two give bullpups some serious use. Also, I'll remember to wear the cool guy ballistic knuckle gloves if I ever get a bullpup.

[@youknowit5mil]

There are bullpups with handguards over the pistol grip, some by factory, others by mods. Tavor 7 is one example.

[@Zer0fuks]

P90.

[@MrJacobkoh]

i rmb using a sar21 during my ns days. During a route march/ rucking, my sling broke, the one near the front post (we got shitty used slings as we were conscripts) it was torturous carrying until we reach a rest point, so that i could electrical tape it up.

[@2stroke438]

​@@youknowit5milor even better, aug.

[@fatpad00]

The Tavor SAR has built-in QD points

[@ebartonce]

Another curveball is shotgun bullpups. Picked up 1 last year and it quickly became my truck gun. Ton of power for its size excellent for small storage locations and manueving, plus it eliminates a lot of your long range problems because it’s a 100 yard gun which is more than adequate for domestic non wartime defense

[@tonyrichmond9428]

I got the tristar 12gauge and its hella fun. Live on 10 acres in AZ and I see my share of unwanted critters. Useful tool, never lets me down. Kinda heavy, though.

[@keither85]

Yeah I love my BP 12g

[@joejoemyo]

​@@keither85They're so funky and fun

[@thisisquist]

Tokarev makes some

[@calebb5106]

@@tonyrichmond9428 i picked up a Tokarev TBP-12 late last year and ive loved it, sadly haven't been able to shoot it in about a year as well cause i injured my shoulders, but for the time i was able to shoot it, my god was it fun, and quite good out of the box. the only thing i did was when i got home i did a teardown and reoil everything, then pull out one of the trigger springs (there's 2) and file down the trigger to take it from a some 20+ pound pull to somewhere closer to a 5-10

[@Regular_Guy_Training_LLC]

Something i think the mp5 style manual bolt lock is more helpful for is one handed stoppage clearance. Guys occasionally get shot and many manufacturers noticed that guns like the tavor are really difficult or impossible to do this with. Y'all did a good job with this video fr.

[@TehButterflyEffect]

Yeah the Tavor bolt lock is not the easiest to set, but you can't set an AR one handed either. The Tavor is easier to rack with one hand than an AR would be, and much easier to shoulder and fire with one hand.

[@BeamMonsterZeus]

A possible advantage in a niche life-or-death situation, down one arm, doesn't usually drive gun design nor sells guns

[@BeamMonsterZeus]

​@@TehButterflyEffect I just tested with a standard AR upper and charging handle and while it's busy, it's not challenging

[@arcana5335]

"$200 for a stamp?" - George Washington probably, idk. I'm Canadian my US history comes from Mel Gibson and Lin Manual Miranda.

[@rooknado]

Most Americans knowledge of history comes from much the same places!

[@toddinfl]

If they came out with a PTR 91 in a bullpup configuration Hop would be all over it.

[@iansanchez331]

I can only imagine the ungodly lack of rail space from being a short bullpup and from not having a top rail because G3 charging tube

[@oxidedamage8837]

I can only imagine the concussion youd get from having a G3 chamber/ejection port right next to your head and ears. thing would probably rattle your teeth loose.

[@009013M3]

​@@iansanchez331 Not a hard problem to solve. Use a left-handed charging tube, roll it over so the channel is on the left side again. The handle will lock in a downward position rather than upward, and you can weld the rail segment along the length of the charging tube.

[@iansanchez331]

@@009013M3 sounds like a lot of unnecessary work when I can just get something better

[@andreivaldez2929]

It really isn't a hard problem to solve: *Don't* get a bullpup.

[@saint_of_guns]

When the ATF was kind enough to let you keep your dog after the raid.

[@Kdoghalo]

Took me way too long to notice it wasn’t real

[@user-th3bo2yp1t]

In what condition?

[@CL-sp2yv]

@@Kdoghalo - It is very real with good training, patience, especially if you have military training. It is, nevertheless, an adaptation process!

[@jic1]

@@CL-sp2yv You know that he was talking about the stuffed corgi on the back of the truck, right?

[@thechad2998]

its not the rifle's fault that you're punching rocks

[@carolinafrog4365]

"hey we're gonna demo these guns, but first, lemme talk ya to death!"

[@gunterstraus606]

I always felt like bullpups made a lot of sense as a state military rifle. Para jumps, armored infantry, and a group of people who are learning to shoot on this rifle first and stick with just this platform for years.

[@bower31]

And despite this bullpups are dying off in military service

[@oxidedamage8837]

Its probably because everything about their use and handling is so bad that no amount of training can make up for their shortcomings.

[@oxidedamage8837]

@@HedgehogBarriers what in particular jams? bullpups in general don't jam any more then any other layout of firearm. They're not great for a lot of reasons but 'they jam' isn't one of them.

[@HedgehogBarriers]

bruh i can't clear a jam@@oxidedamage8837

[@Phantom8589]

Having tried both the British L85A1 and the Aussie's Styre Aug I can absolutely said I will take my issued M4. I have used my M4 in both Iraq and Afghanistan and hand down can say it is a far superior firearm.

[@JetorgXIII]

That anecdotal hypothetical of a Palmetto State Armory Bullpup is incredibly interesting for entry level buyers, especially after the release and success of their JAKL line. Fantastic vid, thanks for the content and the experienced, nuanced takes. Ya'll do great, looking forward to more.

[@mmgross144]

I have an SKS bullpup and I like it. I didn’t gain much weight reduction but it is definitely more maneuverable and having a rail for optics is a real game changer.

[@brokeandtired]

Bullpup reloading is awkward and unnatural, and you have to do it blind. You cannot visually check if you seated a mag properly easily.

[@shoelessbandit1581]

​@@mmgross144look how they massacred my boy

[@lance9150]

Just turn the JAKL upper into a bullpup. I've said this to Foxtrot Mike also but they don't want to make money, why we also don't have Mike 15 in 300bo yet.

[@lance9150]

@@brokeandtired It's really not awkward at all.

[@impguardwarhamer]

glad to see a guntuber finally call bullshit on the whole 'its awkward to reload' and 'muh trigger' It's not true and even if it was it doesn't actually matter anyway.

[@unyieldingsarcasm2505]

i think you will find slowdown in reloading actually matters quite a bit in a combat situation. now for just having fun? na, not a big deal. but i wouldnt want to go into a firefight with one.

[@impguardwarhamer]

@@unyieldingsarcasm2505 It would only matter if you where standing up shooting at someone like in some stupid youtube combat drill. In reality you're gonna be hunched safe behind some solid cover, and the 0.5 second difference is not going to matter.

[@Harrison2610]

I bought a Keltec RDB Defender (comes with mlok handguard) last year, not because I thought bullpups were better or because I thought I would like it more than my conventional rifles, but, because, up here in Canada, rifles need to have a barrel length of 18.5" to be non restricted (unregistered) so, the only way to get a short rifle that is still non restricted, is to get a bullpup. That is all that I wanted out of my bullpup, and I got it lol.

[@curgunner]

To me a bullpup in the prepared civilian context is most interesting when you can turn a gun that would normally be long and unweildy into something that can flex into a gpr role as needed. For example a Bullpup SPR or Bullpup SAW/RPK/IAR allows you to get long barrels in a mid to heavy weight without it turning into a massive and heavy liability when you have to use it like a gpr because your squad consists of 2 people.

[@manictiger]

>2 people I wish. I'm very certain I'm spending 95% of the apocalypse alone.

[@CtrlAltRetreat]

I'm off the same frame of mind for other reasons. After seeing Henry's breakdown of the rather large improvements in performance from the 20" barrel 556 I think that having 20" with a suppressor in the same size package as a regular 16" ar rig is far more interesting and would fix the rail real estate issues at the same time.

[@nomercyinc6783]

weight doesnt make anything a liability. even the m240 isnt too heavy to handle if you arent a little bitch

[@fearsomefoursome4]

Any rifle even a 20" AR 15 can be a general purpose rifle. Any rifle that you can pick up point down range and and hit what you intend to hit can be a general purpose rifle. >bullpup with a longer heavier barrel No why would i make a 8/9 pound rifle even heavier? The general direction is to make loaded rifles lighter >Bullpup a SAW and give it a longer heavier barrel Double no SAW has a long heavy barrel and is already what 15-20 pounds? Why make it heavier? Why take away the ability the change out the barrel on a machine gun because its bullpupped? I mean your even taking away the ability to mount belt feeding by making it bullpup.

[@wolfgang_h3t]

​@@fearsomefoursome4 As much as I hate bullpups, your reply must raise the question; are you retarded?

[@nathan_k]

Came for the KelTec jokes. Stayed for the dunking on unconstitutional absurdity that is the NFA.

[@northman77]

One of my friend (he is a gunsmith) was making joke of the sub 2000 non stop... Until his fx9 explode 😅

[@StudioSlam]

Oh I came alright

[@rustythefoxcoon5143]

I told an anti gunner that we shouldn’t be using AR15s when we should have the M4. Very angry little ompa loompa.

[@djshumoomoo4075]

​@@rustythefoxcoon5143Did you do an epic fortnite dance while he cried and shit his pants?

[@cincinnati4391]

@@djshumoomoo4075💯💯💯

[@nastysoda9212]

That dog sure is chill.

[@TheOnlyHufschmid]

Everyone who has ever shot my fully kitted and customized PS90 has absolutely loved it. It's a dream to shoot and 5.7 is a great round, especially when they stack in a 50 rnd mag ^.^ Bullpups are also fantastic for smaller framed people, such as myself. A full size rifle like the AR platform and AK, is very cumbersome for me. In fact, my PS90 fully loaded weighs the same as a fully loaded AR, but you would never guess because the weight sits near your shoulder as oppose to over the forearms.

[@TehButterflyEffect]

I will say that an x95 with silencer and thermal is very heavy. It's heavier than a pistol with NV and silencer on it. The x95 is balanced much better though.

[@irontemplar6222]

Honestly I dont really consider a P90 a bullpup, and I don't think most people do either. Yes I know technically it is, but its so different from traditional bullpups that it honestly doesn't feel like its apart of the same family.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

Fully kitted and customized? What is wrong with people

[@marlu6373]

you have to be a moron to buy a FN PS 90

[@leannamarsa7053]

Is p90/ps90 a bullpen. I didn't think it was but now that u say that. Is the grip ahead of the breach of the weapon. It most definitely is isn't it. So yeah ur rite it's a bullpup. Huh. Thanks for making me think that one over

[@aruthmee]

It's all about training. After 10k rounds on the X95 non-stop, the AR-15 will also begin to feel awkward and cumbersome. Weight is a concern with certain bullpup designs. A short rail can pose challenges, but there's substantial aftermarket support available for platforms like the Tavor. Reliability and resilience to dirt and sand are critical factors, especially for military applications of platforms like the Tavor. It's a huge topic with many factors.

[@nomercyinc6783]

thinking the m16 was ever heavy is fucking hilarious. even the m240 and 249 arent too heavy to handle at all. for even women

[@kilroy5166]

@@nomercyinc6783Then why doesnt every rifle weigh what the M240 or 249 do.

[@DevDog67]

​@@nomercyinc6783completely different roles. Of course an lmg or gpmg will be heavier than an AR.

[@cstgraphpads2091]

@@nomercyinc6783 No one said anything about its weight.

[@jarvy251]

@@nomercyinc6783 It's a good thing that not what anybody said then

[@death-to-dogma6142]

I've really been enjoying my AUG. I have done some comps with it and there's nothing I really feel like I'm missing out on compared to a conventional rifle.

[@Jeremy-mu6cd]

Try CQB where you have to switch shoulders to get a better shooting angle and still stay close behind cover

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@Jeremy-mu6cd A lot of people who did it for real didn't switch shoulders unless they had to watch a corner and knew they'd be sitting static for several minutes.

[@talicowart9577]

@@Jeremy-mu6cdYou do realize that, with a brass deflector, swapping shoulders is easier than an AR right? Instead of changing my hand position, I just put the stock on my left shoulder. My shooting hand and support hand stays in the same place and now I’m able to take shots on my week side. If you want an idea about this, check out Corvus Defensio’s vid on their AUG upgrade package. Dude does a weak side transition and is able to return to a normal shooting stance with minimal effort.

[@TheKeilanm]

Can you do a retention reload

[@justsomeguy922r3]

Why won’t steyr give me a 20” 1:7” twist barrel? 😩

[@cinninnimonskoda2017]

9 years in the infantry with two Afghanistan deployments carrying C7A2 (20" M16) with all laser bells and light grip whistles.... 99.9 % of my career was carrying it ... .1% shooting it... Give me a bullpup any day

[@CaptainRon1913]

I didn't know Canucks were in Afghanistan

[@J0hN_TF]

@@CaptainRon1913 Yeah we were, we left in 2014, mostly in Kandahar. We were also in The gulf, the Balkans and Korea too

[@ianjacobi767]

Yep, we were. Your Air Force killed four of our soldiers, but of course nobody heard about that blue on blue.

[@jic1]

Except bullpups usually weigh more than an AR-15 with the same barrel length.

[@AWEismaschine]

​@@jic1True, an AR is very minimalist in the best ways, but a bullpup has all it's weight centered in the back behind your hand. Every carry logs or cement bags? If you ant sling it over your shoulder like old school MG guys did, you tuck it under your armpit, less arm strain. Bullpups are back heavy, so you get the same effect when shouldering or just carrying it. ARs are front heavy, so more fatigue for both, despite the lighter weight

[@manopeace9175]

Thanks for makin vids dudes. Yall seem pretty chill.

[@TheChiperSdre34]

Complains that the Aug needs too many parts swapped, but one aftermarket rail would have given you light and laser room meanwhile the copetek didn't even get a laser

[@CatholicKit]

But the aug is also 700 dollars more and an aftermarket rail would put it at like 2k. (Also bad trigger)

[@jamesbingus7232]

Or just buy a quality AR for that much less and have no issues with rail space period

[@zeke2095]

@@jamesbingus7232estrogenic rifle

[@TheSlovenlyTactician]

Unelss it's a carbine gas system in which case it has the exact same rail space issues.@@jamesbingus7232

[@Devin7Eleven]

@@CatholicKitTrigger isn’t bad unless you’re a trigger snob. They’re perfectly serviceable.

[@scherry9198]

My main problem with the Kel-Tec is that the polymer/plastic does not take hard use well. It will break, but probably wont leave the gun non-functional (ask me how I know). You are in luck with that broken butt, now you can buy one with a QD mount on it and more length of pull! Yeah its a pain that in order to clear jams (since you really can't look into the chamber) you have to unload, pop the rear takedown pin, and then clear the gun. Also I find it pretty wild Hop paid $200 for that handguard that only has a QD mount on it although I suppose it does get his thumb closer to light button. As others have done, I highly recommend the Lucky Irishman bolt release. Also blue loctite all those damn screws that hold the stock together.

[@EricDaMAJ]

I like everything about my Kel-Tec RDB except for the fact it’s a Kel-Tec. Every time I shoot it I half expect it to fly apart. I dread jams.

[@jimyeats]

@@EricDaMAJ I’ve got three of them, the different versions, and literally the only jams I’ve ever got are just at the initial outset adjusting gas. But yeah, it is a pain when it happens.

[@pablo4yu]

Ikr, my aug is absolutely a TANK

[@rico13b]

You can access the chamber through the magwell. That said, I've never had a malfunction with mine that wasn't a result of working on dialing in the gas system.

[@Coecoo]

Non-metal body have their obvious advantages such as cost and weight loss while the disadvantage is less durability. I'd like to think these points are pretty obvious for anyone buying a gun.

[@gojifan96]

I enjoy my Steyr AUG product. I dont have NODs or a supressor so I essentially run it slick with the factory Zeiss 1.5x donut scope and it actually makes a very handy package for riding around on a golf cart and vaporizing hogs and coyotes.

[@andrewrobertson3894]

While now equipped with the excellent MARS L, the NZDF previously carried Steyr AUG, (which has a good reputation) but a complaint I heard several times is that it is a very awkward rifle to fire through loopholes and low/prone from cover. I believe these issues are inherent to the bullpup design but am unsure if the same is said about the similar French and British rifles, for example.

[@jarvy251]

When bolting lights/lasers onto a bullpup, you might have to embrace pressure pads and get a bit creative with cable routing. The Issues you had with the RDB's charging handle getting in the way is also a problem I ran into on the original Tavor SAR. The more experience I got with that Tavor, the more I realized why the X95 made all the little design changes they did (such as the charging handle repositioned well away from the railed handguard!) They were definitely listening to soldier feedback when they made that thing. After that, making the switch to the X95 was a no brainer, I really enjoy it. (I also went the red dot/magnifier route)

[@anduril0346]

My only complaint with my X95 is, no adjustable gas system

[@zezimadude13]

I see some of that in the X95 but overall I still feel like the SAR is a better built machine for some reason. Like, all the X95 changes seem to be trying to make it more of an AR-15 than really anything essential design wise... The farther forward charging handle on the SAR give you better control of the rifle if you ever have to lock the bolt back and the paddle release makes it so you never have to take your finger off the trigger while reloading if you don't want to. Granted, it's all an entirely different manual of arms and I get why people used to AR-15's view these as "flaws" initially cause I did too but I feel like that's the point, or else, why not just get an ar-15? I do think that all the tavor models do much much better on rail space than almost any of the other bullpups too. I went dot/magnifier as well in the end but had no problem fitting LPVO, Light, Laser, touchpads. Granted I run it with a C-Grip with the control pads all on top rail and I get how a lot of people feel like its too beefy and want those over on the left side for the more traditional under-side grip but if you do it that way it solves a lot of the wire routing issues. Never forget, on the SAR you could also always do like the IDF and route through the frame, under the barrel if needed to avoid the charging handle.

[@jarvy251]

@@zezimadude13 The farther forward charging handle didn't just complicate cable management, but the longer cocking bar would flex and scrape against the gas block. The position also meant that the bar was at an off angle not in-line with the movement of the BCG. So while I liked that the charging handle was always there to "remind you" to use it, and the position theoretically gave you more leverage, you also absolutely needed that leverage because it was VERY stiff to manipulate. The spring clip on the handle was also the only part on my rifle to break in ~8000 rounds. The X95's redesign solves all these issues. Short bar doesn't flex, it's linear with the BCG movement, there's nothing to break, it's out of the way. I also liked the SAR's grip and strip mag release, I found it intuitive. However, the X95 actually shortens the space between magwell and the pistol grip to shorten the length of pull to about M16A1 stock length with the flat buttplate. (I like this a lot) However, this would mean that the trigger mag release would get bumped, and probably pretty regularly. You can even see where they intended to put an SAR mag release on the X95 as a redundancy and decided against it, and opted for putting the backup mag release in the stock instead. Good trade in my opinion. If you look at the X95's trigger guards, they actually have a channel for cable routing. Somewhere out there, there are grip panels with cutouts for pressure pads. It'd be cool if we got those one day.

[@gynocentrismergomgtow]

He should have moved the charging handle to the other side.

[@TheInnocentRabbitofCaerbannog]

Saw the vid title and thought, "Jarv probably has something to say about this" Boom Here you are lmao

[@ltherebellionl]

Part of the difficulty is most people come up on traditional layout rifles and that transition can be difficult. I started on bullpups so the operation is a lot more intuitive and getting the most out of the system is “easier”

[@joelbilly1355]

Nah. It's no coincidence that special operation forces from virtually every country will choose an M16/m4 style platform over the rifle their own military is armed with. The SAS was choosing the M16 in various configurations in the 80&90s rather that the SA80, Australians had the M16 from Vietnam along with the FAL yet the Australian SAS choose the M4/Hk416 over the Steyer Aug. French special forces are the same with the FAMAS. German special forces choose the HK416 OVER THE G36.

[@Patrix299]

​@@joelbilly1355There are still a lot of sf that use bullpups. The Israelis and the Indians to name a few

[@joelbilly1355]

@Patrix299 true but my point is that when they are given the choice they choose an M4/m16 type.

[@user-zx4vq4uk9c]

​@@joelbilly1355the fact that Germans chose the 416 probably shows it's more compatibility with other sf forces in other countries then "no bullpup"

[@joelbilly1355]

@user-zx4vq4uk9c special forces are better being compatible with their own regular forces. Us special forces tried the SCAR for a while but came back to the m4. The German regular military want the hk416, the French regular military are getting it

[@steel8231]

I've used bullpups before and from what I can tell most of the crap people give them are just "it's got a different weight distribution than I'm used to therfore it's bad", or complaints about trigger feel that boil down to "it's a glorified button instead of a glorified lever". I like having the long LOP, and using my shoulder like an anchor/pivot point because I prefer calibers like 300 blackout that don't kick much.

[@bobred4210]

5 minute video stretched over 20 minutes.

[@CodyHomes]

Agreed, Yet, somehow still worth it, especially with the comments.

[@92Ordo]

It's worth it to mention that your issues of not enough rail estate are solved by just buying a 20" MDRX. It has a longer rail and superior ballistics. Also, if you buy the Mantis bipod/handguard to go with it, it solves a lot of your issues of shooting comfortably from behind cover.

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

You're losing out on the small size and lower weight of a bullpup that way though.

[@92Ordo]

@hazzardalsohazzard2624 the 20" model mdrx is the same length as a 14.5 AR. Also, the MDRX is a heavy girl, as she is designed as a .308 bullpup. The good thing is that the weight is centered in the rear. By adding a 20 inch barrel you'll add a few ounces to the front, but it will still be quite manageable.

[@methamphetamememcmeth3422]

​@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 you can't have your cake and eat it too. He should stop complaining then.

[@tfwwhennofitlitgf3300]

Dream setup, just extremely expensive

[@tedhodge4830]

@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 A) Bullpups aren't lighter B) small size? You're talking about, what, 3-4 inches in OAL?

[@Rain_Dancer134]

Bloody knuckles? finally, a reason for those Kevlar knuckled gloves

[@Hoplopfheil]

MECHANIX M-PACT™️

[@Mcb259]

had a problem with my rdb-s where it would become a run away. sent it back to keltec they did a great job fixing it and even polished everything, paid shipping both ways and it took like 2 weeks. so their customer service is top notch in my experience

[@deanejoyce5393]

I love the dog in the background. He just doesn’t care… Humans talking, I’m just happy to be hanging out 😂😂

[@PilgrimPrepper]

My bullpup journey began and ended here with this video.

[@sw_tower8530]

I played with an FS2000 ( only 500 rounds) and actually really enjoyed the boat. Admittedly very limited in scope , flat range shooting , but it was enough that I'd consider buying one. I think redesigning magazines might help with bullpups over all , as I feel like we're trying to shoe horn something into a system that is causing the discomfort. Not sure what the answer is, but I suspect its something akin to the p90 magazine.

[@fnhatic6694]

I have a Tuna too, I love the thing. It's like hugging a big plastic puppy. And the front ejection is brilliant.

[@sholandosmiguelito6508]

I dont do guns but i totally see how having p90 mag layout solves everything.

[@VanillaMidgetSSBM]

The reasons I've seen Bullpups as unpopular in the US: 1) They're different, change is scary. 2) You have to relearn muscle memory on them, so you'll never *quite* get as quick on reloading them as you would an AR unless you were that guy who only uses bullpups 3) The triggers, unless tailor made to be a bullpup, are often gross. Bullpups require the trigger to be linked to the action behind it, which makes it not feel as good to pull.

[@adamwest1138]

All good points. As an Australian I was trained on the Steyr, and as a result I'm a fan of them, I operate them far smoother than an AR. Had I learnt on an AR, I'd probably prefer those. I really do think bullpups have an advantage given the smaller working space you have to cover when reloading or clearing stoppages on on the fly though.

[@highadmiralbittenfield9689]

I think a majority of people place too much importance on a perfectly crisp,

[@f.wallace8969]

4) they just aren’t that great.

[@ChielScape]

I feel like a VFG can fix some of the larger complaints like using natural cover and light/laser control placement. On the other hand, they really need to make longer handguards that can fit over suppressors.

[@notubist]

Bullpups look nice. Yes I am that woman who picks based on appearance.

[@asphaltannihilator157]

It’s okay, the rest of us are men and we’ve always made selections based on appearance.

[@davidhoffpauir1963]

Interesting most women I meet pick size wise.

[@jimmyt5487]

@@asphaltannihilator157he’s likely a man too

[@xxthehuskycaboosexx]

Who asked?

[@canadiantechprep]

Why we have a terrible Prime Minister who's greatest skill is having hair.

[@Angel-gr7de]

Dream bullpup is a 20" 308 MDR (with side-ejecting if the fucks would ever give it to us), with either a Black LBL integrated bipod handguard, or a similar length m-lok rail. All the space you need for accessories, a full powder-burn barrel length, but compact, balanced, and heavy-hitting.

[@monte0704]

It's just SO heavy. I have the Blk Lbl bipod on my 16" MDR and its a ton of fun when you're using it.... but I'm thinking about pulling it and going back to the stock handguard to save the weight.

[@rico13b]

Keltec makes a 24" version of the RFB.

[@nathangraber8447]

Bull pups are expensive. That’s literally it.

[@ericjohnson8001]

I have an above elbow right arm amputation. First Bullpup I tried was the drop in Muzzle lite. After a while I learned to inlay the original shell with fiberglass and filler and "imbed" the rifle hardware to achieve a stable, accurate and strong shooting platform. In other words I turned a Muzzlelite Bullpup into a real gun. After that I modded a 10/22. It's amazing how stable it is -- I could make shots from a standing position that were only possible from a rest or bipod before. I can't say enough about how it changed my shooting for the better. Now I want an FN or a Steir Aug. Or both.

[@jayjohnson3732]

Just bought an Aug, and exploring the aftermarket. Most (if not all) of your issues with rail space, night vision etc. can be addressed. Extended top rails and hand guards that don’t compromise the gun can be had. The only real issue is that they are not cheap. Edit: I found the choice of the MDRX a little puzzling because it is BY FAR the most expensive bullpup that I am aware of. It is close to a grand more than the Aug or X95, and the Hellion is probably 5 or 6 hundred bucks cheaper as well. So far, I really dig the Aug.

[@LegoClone17]

They mention all of this in the video

[@jayjohnson3732]

@@LegoClone17 They did not talk about the specifics of what can be done with the Aug. I was surprised at the extent to which the perceived shortcomings of the Aug can be addressed.

[@mandough]

Where are you getting those prices from lol. The MDRx is definitely the most expensive bullpup, but the most expensive by a grand?

[@jayjohnson3732]

@@mandough First, I said “close to” a grand. Second I was recalling off the top of my head the bottom line number from the last time I priced one, which was $2500. Turns out that was for the forward eject version (which is the only one I would have any interest in), the side eject is $250 cheaper. I paid $1500 for the Aug, and I think the X95 can be had for 1 or 2 hundred more. That’s where I get “close to” a grand.

[@JoshJones-xd5mw]

@@jayjohnson3732 PSA recently had AUGs for $1100. I probably should have bought one.

[@bentuttle9170]

The MDRX is good because it makes me feel like an ODST with a battle rifle. BrassFacts, try putting a BCM KAG on, it may end up at a wonky angle in the rear-most slot but it fits, trust me. It'll give you a more substantial piece to brace off of, and personally I think it is actually useful for my grip. I see no reason it wouldn't fit on the RDB, too. Also, the FE rarely causes malfs for me if I'm not babying the charging handle. Babying the charging handle on the MDRX or the gas not being properly set is the root of like 95% of all the problems with the current-gen MDRX.

[@JoshJones-xd5mw]

Desert Tech is owned by the Kingston Cult. Nick Young is a “Numbered Man”, and he has three wives. Of those, two of them are his cousins. I don’t do business with companies owned by cults. No DT or Kahr for me. YMMV.

[@elterga6224]

If you have the money, blklbl makes a rail with an integral bipod for the MDRX and many others, but then again, it’s an extra 500 bucks.

[@uwesca6263]

Check out "installation00" he is currently manufacturing an ODST armor. That works. Like 100% works not a cosplay.

[@Blue-cq2hl]

You can get an alx or mantis for the mdr and if you have a longer barrel config you can even get a longer one which allows you to push things out even further too. The standard shorty may give some extra real estate too but the latter is 500+

[@bentuttle9170]

@Blue-cq2hl I have the shorty ALX, it does give a bit more space.

[@mikecamden]

The summary about pistol braces is spot on. I splurged for a .300 Rattler with the intention to put a brace and suppressor on it, for my home defense gun. The pistol brace rule happened right after that. Since it looks likely to get smashed in court I am waiting. But I'll go to a bullpup if it stands for some reason. I like the idea of a small gun for my small wife and not having my big, uh, gun swinging in the wind when working indoors but still having the capacity and ballistics of a combat gun.

[@barfo281]

LARPers always put too much crap on their rifles.

[@zoomzoom3950]

exactly. looks like a Gucci Swiss army knife. Experienced operators I know, have what they need for situation.

[@julianwinn6972]

Hi great videos! Excellent to hear the other side of the argument. I'm a fan of the Bullpup design. I'm a Brit, who has used the SA80 A1 (terrible), A2 and A3 vairents for 24 years. The redesign gets better every time. I have all so fired AR, AK and other weird and wonderful European platforms. Looking at your rifle choice, the ergonomics of your rifles could be improved. Eg... During a stoppage, I would tilt the SA80 to the left cock back the bolt with my left hand and then engage the hold open device with my left thumb, enabling me to keep my right hand on the pistol grip and gain a full view into the breach to assess the rifle state. (It's the little things). Initially we had the same problem with mounting sites for accessories. However, we were issued a simple replacement handguard that gave us a significant amount of mounting options for the A2 upgrade. During tours of Iraq and Afghanistan I was able to mount scopes like the SUSAT or ACOG with a laser/light module (LLM) The pressure switch was mounted on a drop down handle that also housed a bipod. With the 20inch barrel, the accuracy was phenomenal. With an issued drop down bipod and on your belly, you could reach out to 5/600 meters. You were really at the limit of your x4 optics at range and I'm not sure about the terminal ballistics, but you covered that in the video lol. I can't speak for all, but personally, if I could only take one rifle into battle, I would lug around an accessoriesed SA80 A3. Good luck with your new purchases, Fantastic videos! Best regards

[@jonathanr5238]

Ex Brit mil here mate - I too deployed with the A2 and A3 and they were fine I thought. Also dicked around with some of the other weapon systems issued for certain tasks (eg DMR) and they too did the trick. The evolution in realistic training was what gave me incremental advantages on deployment, not the lump of metal in my hands.

[@bashfull30]

SLR then SA80 vet here. I've never subscribed to many of the criticisms levelled at bullpups. My issues were confined to the build quality of the L85 platform, and led me to the idea that bullpups are a great concept that have just never been done right. Cheers all.

[@zedarkenigma]

Only thing I didn’t like about the SA80 was the weight of the damn thing. 😂

[@slugrub]

Yeah but I found it better balanced if you had to have the UGL compared to the AR with the UGL. @@zedarkenigma

[@mmccarthy9458]

The best thing about the SA80 is the perfect aesthetic for the royal guards :-)

[@rovermiles1]

The issue is manual of arms. ARs are ubiquitous in the US; like the AK, a Glock, Toyota Camry, F150: everyone knows how to use them easily and may have had 1 or more in the past. For each new platform: there's training which costs money, plus parts for maintenance and upgrades. It's easy to find parts for ARs and if you've trained with one; you've just about trained with them all.

[@andreivaldez2929]

Assuming it's only training: why aren't they being used in matches then? Shorter OAL, easier to point: sounds like they should be dominating ARs or AKs in matches.

[@JacksonScott-os7kj]

@@andreivaldez2929 because in matches you care about speed. AR triggers can be faster and reloads also faster. Matches don't have the same requirements as militaries though, which is why some bullpups have prolific military use. Just depends on what you are going for.

[@Devin7Eleven]

That’s the thing. ARs are boring and generic. Bullpups are unique, innovative, and have some quirky advantages. They make great collector pieces while also having real militaristic use as well. Great balance, and usually come as a complete packageS

[@mwnciboo]

That argument applies to countries with Bullpups and different vehicles. I was trained on a Bullpup L85A2, can use any other bullpup - then I went to a unit and we all had Colt Commando's - I then got muscle memory for both styles. I found bullpup far better as a patrol weapon, but bizzarely the Colts were easier on Boarding Operations.

[@f.wallace8969]

Why some bullpups had* prolific military service…

[@anon_y_mousse]

I don't know how I missed Hop having his own channel, but yay! As far as bullpups go, I would say forward or downward ejecting is a must, and that needs to be made more reliable for forward for sure. I would also suggest one of those AR conversion kits that allows you to accept P90 mags, but that's just for fun. If we could see a bullpup that had reliable forward ejection and took P90 mags while actually looking like a rifle, then I'd say we'd have a winner. The P90 is cool, but a long barrel looks dopey and a short barrel means extra scrutiny, at least if you're public facing.

[@CodyHomes]

Bullpups and Carbines seem great for short to medium range uses. A lot of soldiers have used Carbines as their secondary instead of a pistol since WW2. Also they've been using Carbines instead of pistols when only having a single small firearm. Bullpups are used by some countrys that have found a genuine need and role for them. Isreal, Canada, and Australia are starting to use Bullpups as often as pistols, Carbines, and submachine guns and submachine pistols.

[@Operator_Inquiries]

The RDB was about to become my replacement for my AR. I could fit my LPVO, IR light/designator on it and it was amazing suppressed. Then one day it just stopped stabilizing ammunition and would key hole. It made me think about sustainability of an RDB or any bullpup really. when I wear out an AR barrel to 3+ moa I would replace it or when a bolt head would break I would replace it. I have a box with an identical spare barrel, bolt, and other parts ready to go when the maintenance needs done Parts breakage is a reality of any firearm that is being used. I came to realize when a part on my bullpup needed replaced due to breakage or wear I was shit out of luck. I would have to keep a second new rifle since the first was living on borrowed time. This is what killed the bullpup for me. Very few people will ever shoot enough to start experiencing parts breakages so the market does not account for this. The builders market for the AR15 is the only reason it has the ability for user repair and sustainment. Any firearm that you can not amass spare parts for is simply a no-go in my book no matter what other capabilities it brings to the table.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Your RDB video(s) made me a bit afraid to put a can on mine. So far so good but we'll see how well it holds up.

[@Operator_Inquiries]

@@Hoplopfheil I definitely think it’s just a one off lemon, I’ve had one other person DM me with the same problem but that’s it. That’s not to say I Haven’t had the same problem with AR barrels. I bought some random 13.7” and it shot 8 moa with 77grs but all I have to do is chuck it and buy a BA Hanson and it’s fixed. I honestly just can’t be bothered to FFL transfer my RDB back to keltech. Of all the bullpups out there it is still my favorite though. It’s the only one that isn’t taller than the sears tower or have a LOP for Yao Ming.

[@Operator_Inquiries]

Love your content as well. You and brass are one of the few firearms people out there with good logic who aren’t cringe

[@stevenorton1]

@@Operator_Inquiries You can ship a gun directly back to a manufacturer, and they will ship it directly back to you. No FFL intermediary required.

[@Devin7Eleven]

Military bullpups like the VHS-2 can easily go over 50,000 rounds. Unless you are in a war fighting every day for 5 years straight, I doubt you will ever need to use a spare part.

[@Zindureth]

I would love to see you do a video for a tavor and an AUG now. I think you did a great comparison for civilian style bullpups, and would like to see your options on military style ones.

[@VYBEKAT]

Yes. The military bullpups deserve a comparison.

[@johnnytower6169]

If you’re interested in anecdotal evidence I used an f88 when I was in the navy I thought it was alright, I hit 42/45 at 200m in different positions during qualification. It was easy to strip down and clean, the controls were intuitive I didn’t use them much though and I heard various second hand negative stories from guys that used them regularly about their reliability but never from someone firsthand Our sf guys like the sas and clearance divers use m4’s but I don’t know if that was because they were a better platform or because they could accept various accessories. The new model has been modified with various rails to accept them too so maybe that was the issue

[@James-Lifts]

I just picked up a tavor sar 7 and an x95 and I’m sure these weapons kick my butt but I’d love to see this crew talk about them

[@MyHandleDownThere]

Lol, when two nerds that never saw combat talk about guns... Man do I love these types of videos.

[@Keyosu2]

When two nerds that have never seen medieval combat talk about swords. When two nerds who have never raced talk about cars. When two people that talk about space have never been astronauts. Shut the fuck up you gatekeeping dickhead. You are the worst person in every community and nobody likes you.

[@user-qi5cj8jq5f]

I picked up the Keltec RDB-c for my travels to less than free areas of the country. I bought it out of necessity but realized early on how much fun it was to carry and shoot. With its Monte Carlo style grip and a ten round magazine it's super slim, lightweight and easy to conceal. It has a great trigger that is almost too light for a defensive weapon but really shines at the range. All in all I've been impressed by it and would recommend it to those who live or travel in those states (you know which ones) as an alternative to an AR.

[@ModernTacticalShooting]

Great deep subject, there is a reason why you only see certain rifles being used in competitive shooting. Also Minus 5 points for mortaring rifle with mag still in, that never works.

[@FoxElliott]

I'm the only person I know who likes bullpups. I think my fascination started with them when I was younger and played tons of Halo, which uses them for a majority of their weapon designs. Just something about them that is cool and practical in my eyes.

[@bradsimpson8724]

I learned on bullpups, because I was born in Canada, where ARs were heavily restricted, but Tavors were not(Canadian gun laws are a hilarious shitshow). When I came down here, I realized how AR-centric the gas rifle community is. 99% of gas gun shooters spent most of their trigger time on an AR. There's nothing wrong with that - they're great rifles - but everyone develops training tics and muscle memories based around that platform. I have a couple of ARs, but my primary reach-for-it rifle will always be a bullpup, for the same reason that it'll be an AR for most of the American population - it's what I learned on, have the most trigger time on, and developed all those foundational habits on. I'm going to give it a year at least, but I'm really hoping Desert Tech's WLVRN turns into something phenomenal.

[@kalin6149]

Im still enjoying my AUG. Zero intention of using it with green goggles (at least right now) and im watching keenly for the 300blk barrel options coming soon. I did put on an ATN night / day XPRO sight for watching my shot placement while shooting from a barricade. Been an interesting development.

[@Rigel_6]

I once got to grab an mess a bit with a para AUG (or just a very short barrel one), don't exactly remember where it was, probably some expo or show (no shooting for me sadly that time), if you don't mind long fixed stock, it's extremely nimble and compact for the barrel length, rearwards com also makes it super comfortable to just hold it shouldered with one hand while you do anything else with the other

[@k-tz5jg]

300blk and 16"barrel is a whole nother beast, Hornady black 110grn vmax is super quite out of suppressed 16"barrel @@Rigel_6 . ☺

[@chris.t1629]

I’m only 4 minutes in and I already know this may your most controversial video yet. Bullpup owners have no limits to how much they will defend their purchases on the internet

[@AlexDenton0451]

I simply want an AUG because it looks cool, just like the MP5. Would I EVER want either for anything practical? F u c k n o

[@Tacet137]

Bullpups are simply superior, can't argue with facts

[@doubleutubefan5]

I own a bullpup and I hate it. But I hate the AR-15 more so we're sticking with the lesser of two evils here

[@urielmartinez2161]

​@@doubleutubefan5💀

[@tosa1052]

​@@AlexDenton0451tbf tho, you could setup an AUG pretty neatly

[@jasonparent7967]

I love my Tavor. Hands down my favourite rifle. Never really took to the AR platform, long before the AR became prohibited in Canada and even after having owned several. If I had to pick a gripe, it would be the 2 mentioned. Weight and cost. Over the years I’ve tried pretty much every rifle that has come out and I just keep going back to my trusty Hebrew Space Gat.

[@MangasColoradas941]

My buddy in the IDF despises the tavor, says its super awkward and not as accurate as the AR he was issued for a short time. He did say room clearing was great with the x95 though, but he ended up getting issued the MAG when he finished combat training which he wanted less than the tavor

[@FurnishedIgloo]

I wondered if we were gonna get comments about the Canadian market allowing a LOT more bullpups than traditional rifles in the KZbin shooter zeitgeist

[@pauldavis9387]

What do you think the difference in recoils is over the AR? I’ve heard the bullpups have more recoil. Your thoughts?

[@HBProds]

@@pauldavis9387 I'd say the recoil hits differently, but it comes down to how you handle your rifle. I've shot the Famas for 10 years now and we are currently switching to the HK. I find AR styles way more heavier on the front and I feel it helps a little with recoil at the price of a loss of handling, because the weight is farther from your body (lever effect and all that). On the other hand I can really "hug" my Famas and it doesn't really move either with a good grip. You can hit at 200 yards standing up and 400 lying down with iron sights pretty easily. I don't really find all of their complaints relative to ergonomics (except the rails) relevant because I trained with it and I'm used to it. I have no problems reloading, clearing malfunctions or handling in it general. Ejection port is on the right (and is ambidextrous) so no problems with casings either. Because of all that I kinda don't want to switch to the HK. My major gripe with it: the ambidextrous mag release. That freaking button hitting your mag pouch and dropping your mag on the ground while patrolling drives me nuts. I'm right handed, I want my mag release near my thumbs but it causes issues with my plate carrier. (I know it's fixable but if you know how army procurement works...). Here's my thoughts !

[@johnbowse4693]

Hebrew Space Gat. Fukring hi lar e us.

[@stephensmith1519]

Currently own a RDB. Will admit the design makes accessorizing it more difficult. Bought it for a PDW and think I will love it once I work out the kinks. Have about 200 rounds through it so far. Very pleased

[@TheRush05]

I have a RDB that I use pretty much as my main rifle and have about 2-3k rounds through it. I love it..clearly. As you mentioned in video, off the line..the gun needs help, but with some help from the Irishman, the gun really starts to be something great.

[@Sin526]

The Luck of the Irish completely transformed my 20" RDB, honestly think it's the best bullpup on the planet as currently configured.

[@jesstenhower4847]

MDRX owner here. I have many simple solutions/tips for the trivial complaints that were had about it. First, going with the side-eject version was a great choice, but get the rifle in the 20" barrel length instead of the 16". Besides offering peak 5.56 ballistic performance, this will allow you to put on longer handguards which are out there, to allow whatever fancy accessories you want on the front end of the gun without worrying about the muzzle becoming shrouded under it, in exchange for a little extra weight and length. Many of the accessory gripes that were had in this video stemmed entirely from picking the wrong, shorter barrel length to begin with. Second, the BLK LBL MANTIS HANDGUARD with its integrated bipod is AMAZING. Having that streamlined bipod is SUPER handy, the handguard is much more solid for confidence in lasers/optics holding zero, and they offer it in two different lengths (which are both longer than the stock handguard the rifle comes with) if you want more rail real-estate. I would recommend going with the Mantis 20; a 13″ Long rail for the 20" barrel MDRX. If you're not interested in having that integrated bipod, they also make the BLK LBL MDRX ALX HANDGUARD which is just a nicer, longer and more solid aluminum forend which they also make in two different lengths; 9" and 13". Third, to fix the whole "knuckle-busting" issue when you're trying to press into hard cover: if you really need to guard your shooting hand's knuckles, simply attach a tall foregrip towards the rear end of the handguard (or stubby, that's what I went with) and press the gun into it with your shooting hand. You're basically using it like a barricade stop, with the added benefit of having a foregrip you can use too. Keep your support hand completely off of the gun when doing this and use that hand to support yourself on the cover you're pressing into. There's plenty of foregrip options that are m-lok compatible but you can always add a small rail section and attach your preferred foregrip that way. I like the BCM Vertical Grip personally, but they do have some direct m-lok attachment variants if you want to cut some weight. Last, though this wasn't complained about in the video, one really helpful way to fix the limitation the rifle seems to have with only being able to use two-point slings, is to attach a QD mount to the top optic rail, with the QD socket facing you on the very rear of the rail. That puts it in the optimum place for a one-point QD sling, since that is typically where the rifle rests in the center of your chest. The QD mount I used to do this was the Impact Weapons Components 45 Offset QD Rotation Limited Sling Mount SQDRL45.

[@MrAndrew3048]

In my experience the mantis doesn’t help much when taking shots from the prone due to mag protrusion, further frustrated by the height over bore issue. If there’s any terrain between you and the target you’re gonna be splashing dirt. I wish desert tech made a 5.56 variant to cut down on the weight and empty chassis space.

[@nyet_maker7948]

Bless you!

[@jesstenhower4847]

@@MrAndrew3048 Mag protrusion is an inherent problem to all bullpups, not just the MDRX. Not entirely sure what you're talking about with the height over bore in relation to the bipod, or how that even relates. While the optic might be higher than the barrel, the barrel is pretty close to the bottom of the handguard unlike some other rifles. And yeah terrain being in your way kicking up dirt kind of goes without saying, you'll have that issue no matter what rifle you're using. I have personally found that most all bipods are barely tall enough, or underperform for laying flat ground or shooting uphill. Regardless of rifle configuration, you really need an ultra tall bipod (over 13", which is the same height of some of the standard harris bipods) for it to feel right, something not too practical for a bullpup which is intended to be more compact. Where I find the mantis bipod most helpful is resting on even shallow pieces of cover; rocks, logs, mounds, etc.

[@SavageGreywolf]

The major issue I believe is that people frankly don't realize just how much real estate the bullpup configuration saves: a 16 in barrel AR15 with its stock fully collapsed will measure around 32.25" OAL, the RDB Hunter has an OAL of 30.4” - People just see '20 inch barrel' and go 'woof, not for me'. Everyone thinks they want/need the shortest possible barrel when the whole point of a bullpup is to maximize barrel length while minimizing OAL.

[@remymartin8185]

So now this thing is like 10-12 lbs?😬

[@Slivyr]

lmao I loved the homer Simpson-esque "ow"....[[shoots again]]...."ow".....[[shoots again]]...."ow"......

[@lukro.]

i understand why people would prefer not to have a bullpup as their personal firearm but when it comes to military theres really no reason to not have bullpup as standard issue for infantry across the world

[@spacecomet128]

Hop made a lightweight bullpup look as heavy as Mjolnir… A light and a sight, keep it simple.

[@sigspearthumb9574]

Being in the UK the only full calibre rifle I’ve ever handled is the sa80 with cadets. Other than being a tiny bit on the heavy side I really can’t find any major issues with it. A2/3 models don’t jam often except with blank ammo (duh) and the handling is fine and feels natural. The chamber is easily accessible ( I believe the opening is comparable or larger than that of an m4s making jams easy to clear when they do happen). The thing you mentioned about banging your knuckles on the rocks can be easily solved by resting the grip on the rock rather than bracing against it. Plus the magazine always felt like a pretty natural resting point for the rifle. Obviously this opinion as I have never used another rifle except in airsoft Also it does have a tonne of rail space which is nice when using right hand guard 😅

[@GruntyGame]

Being in Australia the only self loading rifles I've fired are the AUG (F-88) and F-90 (EF-88). Compared to other bullpups the LA-80 has some big flaws (even after HK fixing them), namely the charging handle is on the right and very far back, the gun can't be converted for left handed shooters, and changing the fire selector requires the shooter break their hold of the rifle. I am incredibly bias when I say the F-90 represents the best bullpup design, but it's everything good about the AUG but with more rails and STANAG mags.

[@sigspearthumb9574]

@@GruntyGame the F-90 and F-88 are definitely better weapons systems than the Sa80 with little argument. Id argue that the charging handle situation isn’t nearly as awkward as one would expect though obviously not ideal. The left handed shooter issue is a non issue as almost nobody here owns rifles and gets used to shooting leftie. People who are left handed settle on the weapon easily. The bigger issue is left eye dominance which is harder to correct

[@GruntyGame]

@@sigspearthumb9574 I would argue the time and effort to get good with your non-dominate eye could be better spent getting excellent with your dominate eye.

[@sigspearthumb9574]

@@GruntyGame correcting non dominance takes no time at all really and with a standard bod they don’t need to be able to shoot like Chris Kyle. You don’t need excellency just enough to be effective. That and modern war shows that conflict is going to be rather up close and personal in the future

[@markhunter2342]

@@sigspearthumb9574 nah it's a lot more than that. you obviously shoot right-handed and so try shooting left to educate yourself.

[@rudyd1772]

Brass facts looking like a dead ringer for a young Pedro Pascal.

[@nobiazcustomsinc5030]

man its crazy how hearing that...alright immediately makes me smile lol

[@wizard_of_the_west8270]

I think it's about preference for the most part. If you get to choose you'll pick the platform you feel is a better fit.

[@Sig_P229]

I think the RDB is the most underrated bullpup, hands down.

[@agaith4797]

Absolutely. especially if you put the couple bills worth of aftermarket upgrades into it to lighten the trigger, fix the bolt release, and replace the handguard.

[@surfingtothestars]

Too bad it’s a keltec tho 😂

[@kilroy5166]

So underrated that the buttstock will crack in half when confronted

[@Sig_P229]

@@kilroy5166 slam any polymer firearm on a rock at a awkward angle and see how it fairs. FYI, Glocks are known to have broken grips for the last 40 years. Are they a subjectively bad firearm?

[@agaith4797]

@@kilroy5166 i've had a friend it happened to as well. yeah. its a pretty big design flaw. thankfully there is an easy upgrade for it that fixes that issue. the Haga Defense RDB17 enhanced Buttpad

[@Scout339th]

This was a great video analyzing the strengths and weaknesses of the platform, concept and execution of some lesser talked about platforms, awesome! It's a bit of a shame that you didn't get an AUG or X95 for this video, but the AUG certainly needs some parts to be replaced like the ARID rail to allow a lot of space on the top, the clawgear handguard to allow for modern grips and more mounting, and the ARID trigger to wildly improve the feel and weight of the trigger.

[@ToastbackWhale]

The Manticore rail solves the top rail and the haundguard with one piece. Not sure why it doesn’t get more attention.

[@StephenMinkin]

Bullpup is forever a better design. It can allow longer barrels in a shorter gun. It's that simple and forever always better.

[@SchwererGustavThe800mm]

One thing I think people fail to realize is that most bullpups arent American made and need to be imported. They arent common, parts break and finding replacement parts would be a headache

[@xLeechcraftx]

As a bullpup fanboy, I can appreciate your takes on them. As a smaller guy my experience is the size/weight distribution/ergos work better for me than AR's. I've owned both types of rifles and the bullpups have just been a consistently more pleasant experience for me to use. Also like you said, I don't have to deal with paperwork for the size and don't have the finances to drop on lasers lol. That's just me though.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

I’m sure there is a group therapy program for you.

[@housemana]

shut yo goofy ass up harold let the boy cook. he is on the money - weapons platforms are tools ofc. fit the tool to achieve performance on task using a person. @@HWG-wm8ld

[@CWHolleman]

Exactly what I would expect a self proclaimed "Bullpup Fanboy" to look like.

[@J.sh_CDN]

If you dont use an AR a bunch, and dont have to overcome that muscle memory, i think the bullpup works just fine. My muscle memory is loading a 12ga pump, or top loading an Sks so ide love to try out a bullpup

[@xLeechcraftx]

@@HWG-wm8ld As long as they don't try to talk me out of alcoholism.

[@jakeroberts3070]

My problem with bullpups is the small explosion is happening under my cheek and its pretty noticeable after a few mags.

[@bentuttle9170]

The MDRX in 5.56 feels more tame than an AR, I think that can be attributed to it being built to accommodate .308-sized cartridges. I've definitely noticed what you're taking about when shooting a friend's X95

[@gifthorse3675]

That doesn’t happen in any other guns?

[@lithuaniaball]

​@@gifthorse3675other guns aren't, by nature, designed to have the chamber directly under your face. A blowout on an AR might cost you some fingers if it goes pear shaped. Blowout on a bullpup is gonna hurt a lot worse

[@trumptookthevaccine1679]

It’s all the same

[@lithuaniaball]

@@TheHouseAlwaysWins-xs8zd do your shtf preparations assume everything will go perfectly all the time forever? Everyone's human, and squibs tend to happen if you don't maintain your equipment well enough

[@gamesdeen3768]

They're fully unusable for lefties. Someone needs to make one that ejects straight up and has an adjustable deflector plate.

[@ProfessorNiiji]

This is so entertaining..lol.. bro is running like Rambo with an airgun while his friend narrates. Good video, very informative . I liked and subscribed

[@jimyeats]

The RDB is under rated as a civilian gun. Once the gas settings are set it is reliable and very nice to shoot as it’s light yet low recoil, and great with a suppressor and with the downward eject as you noted. With regards to malfunctions….you need to understand you don’t clear them as you would a standard AR. Tap rack bang doesn’t work. If you have a malfunction immediately remove the magazine before you do anything else and then proceed with racking the slide. I know this sounds absolutely crazy, but the most common malfunction (due to either waaay to much gas or too little) is that the round being ejected doesn’t get thrown down the chute, and instead comes back with the empty casing sticking straight forward, which will then push another round into the chamber but the bolt of course is now sitting over the magazine and has pushed the next round in the magazine a little bit forward. So you need to rip out the magazine, rack out the empty, and then know that you will have round in the chamber still, so rack the gun again, or know that one is ready to go. If you tap/rack you’ll just worsen the triple feed. Yes, malfunctions are tricky. Just drop the mag immediately if you have a malfunction. Otherwise though, it’s a really fun gun, particularly the Survival.

[@Sin526]

Going to remember this with my RDB, no malfunctions yet but still good to keep in mind.

[@terrellevans2763]

Ive really wanted one for a long time, this might be the video to push me over the edge

[@randomwolf38]

😅

[@joshcarlson9352]

Also a sign you might need one more notch up on your gas setting

[@jimyeats]

@@joshcarlson9352 Correct, as noted in the initial post.

[@AutumnsArmory]

Great video thank you. I have also found it is a lot more difficult to get a bullpup as clean inside as you could a regular style rifle, and they tend to be heavy for their size. They are still cool though!

[@ryanpeck3377]

So what. Rifles dont have to be spotless. Unless youre using old surplus corrosive ammo (all 5.56 ammo is Non-corrosive) than it doesnt have to be perfectly clean. When people go in and start scrapping carbon off their internals they usually just end up damaging their guns, especially the bolt and bcg on ARs

[@XxMonkeyACCxX]

i got more than halfway through the video before i noticed the doggo in the back haha great vid

[@wilsonmandudebro]

It makes even more sense to compare the ar and rdb length with both stocks at the same distance from the trigger

[@jacelicous]

I’m personally a huge fan of the vhs-2, I would be interested to hear hops take on why he doesn’t like it

[@khoward9512]

There are so many examples of functional light setups on it. I have one and absolutely love how it looks and feels.

[@supercon192]

He mentioned it in the video, in short he doesn't like to LOP and the laser mounting option, he isn't used to the ergonomics, the height over bore (where you mount the optic). It feels to alien to him, he wants what's familiar.

[@TalonO4]

Same here. The real amazing thing is that he even mentioned why it has the adjustable stock in the video he just didn't realize it. It has a LOP like that so you can wear armor and get into the gun and kit still. As for it otherwise my 5'3 wife has no issues running it. I think people overblow how big of a deal it is.

[@djshumoomoo4075]

​@khoward9512 no doubt you can get a light on it. And that's good for most people. But they absolutely want NV which means laser is mandatory.

[@andreivaldez2929]

Use it somewhere that isn't a static range. They're all awkward to shoot when you have to go prone or shoot off barriers, especially if you try to change shoulders when coming around a corner.

[@auklin7079]

Has Brass Facts ever considered picking up the 20" barrel + compatible handguard? Someone here mentioned it, but it seems like some of his problems could just be fixed by slightly lengthening the package. Though it would undercut the advantage of the bullpup concept, but if you want a potentially better NVG experience, it's a thought. Also, how did you guys find clearing malfunctions on those? InRangeTV focuses on the issues with malfunctions when it comes to bullpups, and how you are basically performing surgery on some malfunctions.

[@nimric3348]

Honestly the biggest reason is probably. 1) they are expensive 2) US military doesn't use them because because they are disigned so very different then the platforms everyone is trained on its not worth the confusion and time to retrain soldiers on bulpups. That's why they are probably uncommon

[@TheMuricanMerc]

I've had the opportunity to dive into bullpup's before I got really acclimated the the ar-15 design (with m16a2's and M4's in the military). You can somewhat regularly find the better bullpup designs available second hand for quite a bit cheaper than msrp new. My favorite is the Tavor SAR-16 which I found $800 off msrp and it was barely shot by the original owner. He hated it and just wanted it gone. Solutions to finding your setup are more going to be what you're capable of making or knowing someone that can make your design idea, then testing it out and learning from it. The tavor bipod solved my biggest issue of prone shooting, and you can see how innovative you have to get for some of these solutions based off of that.

[@baddrayko3040]

I think a stubby foregrip placed back towards the trigger guard on the bottom rail would make a great point to push onto cover and help protect your fingers. right about where the magwell of an AR would be in relation to the grip

[@yzhou05]

Stubby (BCM) forgrip on X95 works great. 3Panthers also makes an aftermarket grip for the tavors that combines both the cutlass and traditional trigger guard (it’s nice).

[@billdauterive1180]

I run my guns fairly slick and that's exactly why i like my AUG so much. Its a spartan-esqe setup that gives you the rail space you actually NEED, while giving you the option of the extended rail space you WANT. Plus most bullpups are more ergonomic for me YMMV.

[@nomercyinc6783]

i dont know why people call minimalist shit spartan. spartans werent minimalists

[@billdauterive1180]

@@nomercyinc6783 Minimalist in everything BUT training; Laconia was only feared because they had the only professional army in Greece. That gave them the time to train with their gear that other city-states like Lesbos and Athens didn't have.

[@viceadmiralcongo]

@@nomercyinc6783 it refers to their lifestyle. Spartans went without luxury and accoutrement because their citizens were all professional soldiers.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

Same reason why they do anything, they heard some tool use it and they use it. Bet he has a punisher shirt and sticker

[@larz101a]

Same here I generally dont stick anything on my rifle I dont actually need. Sling, sight and good to go. I have found through experience that attaching anything not absolutely needed tends to not just weigh down the gun in the long term when you are carry the thing day in day out. If you are working at night yeah take off the sight and put on thermal or low light. The other big thing is that lights, lazers etc tend to get caught on everything around you and you yourself. As for the AUG, I own one and love it! Upgraded a lot of parts mostly with the Corvus line but it has made almost no feeling to the weight. Its ergonomic in ways the AR system only dreams of. Easy to clean and accurate. The trigger is not prime but its a battle rifle not a sniper rifle and can get good groupings at 500 yards with the 20 inch barrel fitted. The absolute worst thing with the AUG is the price of the rifle and the cost of ammo you put through it because you are having so much fun!

[@DavidBrown-uc4yv]

Great video. I own both, but the KelTech RFB Hunter in 24” .308 and the MDRX though Micron adapted. Also the Tavors, X95 and 7 in .308, the AUG, the PS90 converted to P90 SBR, the VHS2, and the shotguns of course, Tavor TS12, MP12, and the BP12. Folks, bullpups are a blast. Fun, fun guns. The new manual of arms, having to learn something new is half the fun.

[@decaygrim8943]

Thank you! I'm never buying a bullpup now.

[@lordbiggulp]

I can fix her (bullpups) bros, just give me time (and money). One day when I have a 5 axis desktop cnc mill I will make you any mount you can dream up hop.

[@ejaokay]

My RDB defender (1 inch shorter barrel than the standard RDB) is a pain in the ass to disassemble compared to an AR. I absolutely love it though, looks so damn cool, and is so easy to maneuver. It definitely kicks harder than an ar, as it doesn't have that buffer system, but I love it. I run a 4-16x scope and a 45 degree offset red dot, angled foregrip, and a Flashlight with a pressure pad. It's a very fun gun to shoot, other people love to see it too. I blame my love for Halo growing up!

[@kentocogburn4553]

Last semester I was talking to an ROTC cadet in my class at college. I go to George Mason, right by DC. Apparently as part of ROTC he got a pass for some defense contracting trade show at the convention center. He said that when he first saw the XM7, he was mainly relived that he would not have to one day go into combat with a bullpup.

[@DicePunk]

Hey. I randomly happened on this channel and was surprised to see Keanu and James Franco have a gun channel. Subbed