you guys handing him a spinach fettuccine is the worst thing to happen to NZ-US relations in the last half century
@BIGJATPSU9 ай бұрын
🤣🤣☠☠ I mean.... he did pick it for his own reason.
@yaseer_5079 ай бұрын
😆 🤣 😂
@derrickheng5649 ай бұрын
Baked bean on toast enuff said aha ha ha ha
@Johnthecollie9 ай бұрын
You’ve never had the veggie omelette. My dad brought one back for me from Kuwait. The worst i had while I was in the service was the southwest black bean. Shit fucks your stomach up.
@jastrapper1909 ай бұрын
I agree. The “veggie” MRE options were consistently the most awful tasting meals. He needed Beef Stew with cheese and crackers mashed up together. That was tasty.
@Nemo-wk9tu9 ай бұрын
You gave him the Spinach Fettuccine MRE? That is one of the worst you could give. Even Steve1989 could barely eat it and he literally ate century old rations from the Boer War.
@misterhat58239 ай бұрын
Steve has a habit of saying how bad something is and then going for another bite. If he could barely eat it, that's saying something.
@wmd2029 ай бұрын
Those US Vegetarian MRES arent going to eat themselves you know ! (hint for NZ you bury them when no one is looking)
@ody7349 ай бұрын
creamy is my favorite lol guess im weird
@bradbrown72739 ай бұрын
Meals rejected by everyone 😂
@coolgamers27949 ай бұрын
Spinach Fettuccine MRE is still way better than EGG Omelet MRE! 🤣🤣🤣
@pwollerman8 ай бұрын
“Aah, it’s not too bad” is how he rates everything. Good bloke.
@barbsmart73738 ай бұрын
Typical Kiwi.
@alvarohigino8 ай бұрын
He doesn't want to say something is bad, it's called manners.
@sadie85588 ай бұрын
generic answer for a kiwi lol
@ivgotballsofsteel40485 ай бұрын
lol
@TheGreatestTerrariaPlayerEver26 күн бұрын
Its like eating but you dont like it but you do it for the sake of energy
@Janko6309 ай бұрын
2:57 "That's the MRE heater." "What's it for?" "To heat up your meat pack..." Rock solid interviewer, Business Insider.
@hairetikos64028 ай бұрын
Just Kiwi responses are pretty dead pan.
@nuck-8 ай бұрын
He's American, tells you all you need to know.
@TicklmypicklGaming8 ай бұрын
end of interview, what are you gonna eat when your back home? Mate, oi already said KFC do you not listen
@mullups8 ай бұрын
I think the interviewer was asking what food was he heating with it. Not what the heater was used for?
@pingapete6668 ай бұрын
no the interviewer specifically said 'what's it for?' when he was holding the heating pack@@mullups
@kieranogle89169 ай бұрын
Literally the most kiwi guy i have ever seen and thats coming from a New Zealander
@antonschollum31289 ай бұрын
Legend
@NatMG8 ай бұрын
aye, sounds more kiwi than me lmao
@JaemanEdwards8 ай бұрын
Shameful having this South Island hick representing NZ
@JaemanEdwards8 ай бұрын
@@NatMG???
@NZKiwi878 ай бұрын
Yup, and he’s got that down south drawl on some of his r’s
@SomethingOrganic-m7e9 ай бұрын
Dude is so polite and chill. Maybe I'm overreaching a little bit, but I don't think I've ever encountered anything to do with New Zealand that I haven't liked. Never been there, but from what gets to me here in the US, I'm envious.
@LogieT2K8 ай бұрын
The only bad things here are ours road and current geopolitical apathy 😂
@ma61king8 ай бұрын
@@LogieT2KDon't forget the outrageos house prices and cost of living in general, ever-increasing gang violence and failing infrastructure
@richardscanlan34198 ай бұрын
Sadly,the truth.@@ma61king
@JaemanEdwards8 ай бұрын
@@ma61king"Gang violence" 😂😂😂 Stfu.
@NZKiwi878 ай бұрын
It’s good here 😊 wish he’d clean under his nails tho, specially for filming.
@TheWorldsOkayestUSMarine9 ай бұрын
Out of 24 different possible MREs he gets the worst ones. Love our NZ homies though! Especially the ones in artillery, love seeing a fellow gun bunny. 🇳🇿 🇺🇸
@alexandralite8359 ай бұрын
We love you to.
@TheWorldsOkayestUSMarine9 ай бұрын
@@alexandralite835 eat shit
@SKKT19929 ай бұрын
tortelinni isnt that bad brah
@3Dwesley9 ай бұрын
Cannoncockers.
@llliiimmmeee8 ай бұрын
sending love from the other side of the world! (just dont set up any military bases here please, don't want to end up like aussie XD)
@JosephMts28 ай бұрын
KFC, the most NZ answer 😂
@LeSwexy8 ай бұрын
facts hahahahaha give this man a Zinger box 😂
@SKPonr8 ай бұрын
Agreed
@AkashSharma-vj4ck8 ай бұрын
@yakkattack unlike the aussies "feesh n cheeps"
@Rooxie9738 ай бұрын
fəsh and chəps
@LayzDaVinci8088 ай бұрын
@@Rooxie973 nah that’s Australian cuz 😂
@apollogaming74399 ай бұрын
This dude has incredible teeth, surprised no one has noticed?
@jackiechan_wtf40419 ай бұрын
His pearly whites are brighter than my future. 🙃
@sghaxzor2029 ай бұрын
We get free dental till we turn 18,most of have good teeth
@gsd4me009 ай бұрын
I did, more than likely done on the NZ taxpayer dime too. They look even more so against the make-up.
@garethpreston82759 ай бұрын
New Zealand people are like American people, we're not British.
@tamimi92319 ай бұрын
@@garethpreston8275 British dentalcare is one of the best in the world, better than America lmfao
@CaptainBill229 ай бұрын
Col. Sanders: "Captain, get that man some fried chicken!"
@misterhat58239 ай бұрын
KFC is the worst in the US. Supposedly it is actually good in other countries.
@M4A1_DELTA69 ай бұрын
@@misterhat5823here in Canada Quebec is disgusting but mostly from neglect from the workers rather the food being bad Depends where you go some are ok and pretty decent but most of them are ppl that hate there life’s and don’t respect cleanliness of being a fast food place
@ShadowOfDeadRhodes219 ай бұрын
It depends on where you get it from though yeah. Not to judge but a lot of the people around here who work the fast food restaurants don't really take pride in their job. I have never really known what it was about but in small little areas like Theodore Alabama down here people around the Black folk who work them and they seem like they always have an attitude but idk. That maybe most people. I'd say the Popeyes is a lot better than KFC though@@misterhat5823
@ghoward5628 ай бұрын
After Covid lockdowns the lines outside the kfc stores was miles long worse then McDonald’s in Auckland Nz
@ytzpilot8 ай бұрын
He is correct KFC is still good in New Zealand and very popular with Maori and Pacific Island people
@bigboi78178 ай бұрын
20 pack of wicked wings goes hard
@deceptivesheep57929 ай бұрын
Glad to see Old Greg cleaned himself off and started a new life.
@ou45349 ай бұрын
😂
@johnriddington95149 ай бұрын
Ask him how he illuminates the target ;) ;)
@ausinasmith969 ай бұрын
I WAS THINKING THIS ASWELL!!
@Lex-wx3ib8 ай бұрын
imagine if there was baileys in the MRE
@fallout288 ай бұрын
lol great comment
@fuzzy34409 ай бұрын
During Desert Storm we would put the main meal in the engine bay of our armored vehicles and leave them there all day, so they'd be warm and we could eat quickly, since we didn't know how long we might be stationary. I lived off those things for many months. I can attest to the fact that it's Meal-Resisting-Exit.
@charleslumberger84419 ай бұрын
Thank you for your service
@ronv66379 ай бұрын
Fuzzy, you weren't hydrating enough. At least one canteen per MRE plus 3-4 more. But too much cheese could stop you up.
@truedemoknight67849 ай бұрын
I can't imagine going that long off just MREs. I get so stopped up after just two days in the field, much less weeks or months. I'm usually a regular daily shitter but after being in the field I'll be shitting at the weirdest times, or sometimes I just can't shit at all...
@DarkHawk6668 ай бұрын
You lose or gain weight?
@JaemanEdwards8 ай бұрын
Bullshit. You would only need an hour to cook. Not all day you fool.
@asahearts19 ай бұрын
He didn't prop it up on "a rock or something."
@dabakes9 ай бұрын
i die every time i read that
@hoppinggnomethe41545 күн бұрын
😂
@elchaposione58088 ай бұрын
This dude makes me proud of all our pakeha kiwis who are just chill in any setting..
@michaelmarama-de4gx8 ай бұрын
Our Pakeha brothers are honestly chill, well most of em😂
@daniellenard28729 ай бұрын
He is being polite not to be disrespectful which he wouldn’t be at all. The initial look and wince on his face said it all
@CombatBodies9 ай бұрын
But he did say he had eaten to many.
@seanrota33599 ай бұрын
For our American friends, this soldier sounds like he is from the Southland region at the bottom of the South Island of NZ. As a Kiwi, yeah his "accent" is heavy, the way he sounds his Rs suggests he's from the deep south. Kiwis love KFC, anything free too so doesn't matter just put it in the bag they'll eat it!
@tancredbey6069 ай бұрын
Definitely not a Jaffa for sure
@seanrota33599 ай бұрын
@@tancredbey606 Agree!
@JaemanEdwards8 ай бұрын
Shameful to have a South Island hick representing NZ.
@kevin50738 ай бұрын
Nope. I'm a Southlander and the Southland R is a lot harsher than what I am hearing. Definitely a South Islander though.
@seanrota33598 ай бұрын
@@kevin5073 As a Wellingtonian I shall defer to you on this!
@ianray88239 ай бұрын
Not even thes awful MREs can deter him, glad he's on our side
@tannerbyrd99589 ай бұрын
The small laugh before the first bite of fettuccine is accurate.
@kiwiryker8 ай бұрын
KIWI PROUD - ANZACS ❤
@_stutu2JZ8 ай бұрын
Love our USA Brothers. This was an awesome watch. Respect from New Zealand.
@kraftyboi4 ай бұрын
Sending love from US to our Kiwi brothers
@jinwoooooooo19 ай бұрын
*he has this nice vibes and i can feel it lol i think, we need more mre episode with this guy lol*
@Loscha9 ай бұрын
At 4:45 he is saying a "pottle" of peanut butter. A pottle in NZ is a small container of something, either pre-made from the factory like peanut butter, jam or Vegemite, or a small serving of nuts or dried fruits.
@subculturenz9 ай бұрын
A pottle is pretty much a plastic jar, but in NZ we only call it a jar if it is made of glass, if it is a jar made of plastic then it is a pottle.
@houstonswisha1439 ай бұрын
roughyl how big like something to grab and eat at once or like a small container fora couple days
@drewmis19 ай бұрын
@@houstonswisha143 i would presume enough for a day or two
@SomethingOrganic-m7e9 ай бұрын
A bottle, but paller.
@Hyoscyamus3698 ай бұрын
How did I end up reading this comment thread after eating some shiny golden blue mushrooms . Pre pottle everything seemed easier and made sense and now nothing doesn’t 😮
@rodjones4828 ай бұрын
Just another bloody awesome Kiwi. Kiwi proud!
@NewKanyeFan8 ай бұрын
Basic training US Army. On a field training exercise, I was handed a pork sausage MRE. The worst in my opinion. I told my drill sgt "I can't eat this it isn't Kosher, I am jewish" Drill sgt gave me a tortellini MRE. I was satisfied. Next day I was in the DFAC eating bacon. Drill sgt blew his fuse, asking me "why tf are you eating bacon? You said you were jewish!" I responded. "Freedom of religion drill sgt, I smelled bacon and converted" "Well played carry on private"
@madeintexas3d4429 ай бұрын
One day me and my dad are at a gun show and they had some of these for sale. My dad called my mom and said go downstairs I am bringing something special home for dinner. We laid out a bunch of MREs on the table and invited her up. She was not impressed.
@emeralse7 ай бұрын
"Do you just open it by hand?" This is the worst interviewer ever, what did he expect? For him to pull out a pair of kitchen scissors to cut the packet open???? LMAO
@BunderChowed9 ай бұрын
Alright, let's get this out on a tray. Nice!
@ravenks1sr159 ай бұрын
Lmao saw this one coming
@jackiechan_wtf40419 ай бұрын
*sniff *Oh God! that smells rancid! *continues sniffing 😅😅
@BunderChowed9 ай бұрын
@@jackiechan_wtf4041 the takes a bite
@FutureRobert9 ай бұрын
You dont know how good those energy bars were. Everytime I got them in my MRE it was like Christmas.
@nickwojtow67874 ай бұрын
Those First Strike bars suck dude!! The old Mocha Dessert and Peanut Butter dessert bars are 100x better. The Salted Caramel energy bars that come in the extra foil pack are awesome too. But they don't put those in the regular MREs anymore. US military MREs are laced with seed oils, soy, GMO corn, HFCS, and absolute toxic crap. They just got rid of trans fats in all their stuff a few years ago.
@miguelm61959 ай бұрын
This soldier deserves a Medal of Honor for giving it a 6 out of 10 😂
@fern92349 ай бұрын
"I'm old Greg!"
@mrdodge45298 ай бұрын
I'm from nz, when I was living in canada i would always suggest getting kfc and people would look at me like i was some kind of animal. I finally got some when i was on my own and thru it out after one bite. The difference is night and day.
@brohanfromrohan57716 ай бұрын
Block you up is an understatement. It came to a point in Iraq where I was only eating crackers and peanut butter and didn't shit for a week.
@georgespringett10638 ай бұрын
everyone saying interviewer got him the worst MRE, the guy literally said he asked for it as he hadnt tried it before, clearly you lot dont listen 😂😂
@StealthFB229 ай бұрын
Now you should give the US soldiers a Kiwi MRE haha!
@SomethingOrganic-m7e9 ай бұрын
For some reason I suspect it might be better than the creamy spinach fettuccine.
@JaemanEdwards8 ай бұрын
The hangi mre is the best. That and the steak and cheese mre.
@paulredinger58303 ай бұрын
Thanks for your service brother!
@teaodaly53359 ай бұрын
crazy to see this just pop up haha kiaora from Aotearoa Opotiki soldier and thanks for your service
@JaemanEdwards8 ай бұрын
Do you know Dean Mio from Opotiki ? He was a senior when I was a junior at school and in army cadets. I heard he went into the SAS.
@teaodaly53358 ай бұрын
@@JaemanEdwards cant say i do know him, I know the Mio family though but Willie Apiata is our legend
@muhammadfahmi71599 ай бұрын
In Singapore, our own version of MRE or Combat Rations has improved but many Singapore service personnel will agree that US MRE is much better than Singapore version.
@tesstickles12807 ай бұрын
Did he paint his face just for this challenge? So perfectly done!
@kwerk20114 ай бұрын
On exercises in Hawaii, it says at the start.
@everythingUTrealestate9 ай бұрын
The directions on the MRE heater bag is to literally put it on "a rock or something" while warming lol
@colonelfustercluck4868 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure that he is aware of this, but thru practical experience he understands that there is no need for that. The rock thing is a precaution for inexperienced users, so that they don't lay it on their cellphone or their chocolate bars or on an inflatable boat. (Directions are for the absolute obedience of the inexperienced, and for the guidance of the wise)
@wrath2317 ай бұрын
The Kiwis deserve better leaders. The handling of the pandemic there is disgraceful.
@jujumaccas7 ай бұрын
The horse head’s gone…..to a job with the UN of course.
@Schlickness-p9q8 ай бұрын
Soldier: "Theres chewing gum" Producer: "Can you try that?" Soldier: *Chews* "its peppermint" 😂😂😂 dunno why i found that hilarious
@nathangriffiths62188 ай бұрын
Scroggin and KFC, the cornerstones of New Zealand cuisine :)
@StreetLightPony2 ай бұрын
Came to the comments in outrage only to shed a tear in solidarity as it is a mutually accepted fact that the spinach fettuccine is, indeed, a war crime on its own.
@donnakawana9 ай бұрын
I was homeless during the pandemic...An we were given a case of MRE's which is 2 wks worth of meals it you eat 1 a day..plus all the extras saved our lives .. but flavor,well its missing some flavors...! This was fun to watch!!
@matthewcullen12988 ай бұрын
I hope you're ok now mate
@russjacks45839 ай бұрын
Man, so much better options than when I was in the Marines. Hopefully they got rid of the omelette MRE. Sooo bad. Chili Mac was pretty good and I loved the MRE bread and granola bar.
@TheWorldsOkayestUSMarine9 ай бұрын
Oh, stop daydreaming about the good ol' days, ya old fart! (I got out in 2016...I constantly find myself saying "Well, when I was in...") Lol, these kids really don't know how good they have it though. Semper Fidelis
@dethofgod6669 ай бұрын
I had one in 2010 I'm almost positive it was rotten unless it was supposed to smell like vinegar
@vipergtsmre9 ай бұрын
You gave him the worst of the 24 menus... not cool, but I do like the maple pork patty.
@Bonk-oz3pv9 ай бұрын
maple pork patty fucks
@Ohmygodstfu20453 ай бұрын
Gave the poor guy the worst mre of them all since the omelette
@skidlinerz8 ай бұрын
Classic Kiwi, good on ya Mate
@kennethquinnies60237 ай бұрын
New Zealand army? Thats like my national guard unit rating US MRE
@balaramalauder9 ай бұрын
I can taste that water bottle from just watching this video 😂
@megladon896 ай бұрын
NZ folk are pretty good people, glad they're on our side!
@KingDeadMan9 ай бұрын
The pretzels taste like combo's pretzels. They're really good! 😯👍
@ForgottenHonor07 ай бұрын
My uncle was in the Marines in the Gulf War and they quickly realized their British counterparts had canned goods to spare and readily gave away their MREs to the Iraqi POWs so they could dig in to what the Brits were bringing. The POWs didn't argue and just wolfed down the rations they got because they were all pretty much starving when they were captured.
@Polish_Gopnik8 ай бұрын
kiwi accent through the roof. i have a kiwi friend of mine, sometimes its hard to comprehend what this guy is saying XD
@Tommyxp4207 ай бұрын
C'mon they gave this man 3 of the worst MRE's you could ever give man 😂😢
@TheRawdawg9 ай бұрын
Chili Mac was my favorite
@braydensites88947 ай бұрын
Gave him 2 of the worst and one of the most “eh” MREs they had lying around
@Marcellolin229 ай бұрын
Gotta try out the American Halal and Kosher MRE. Now those are amazing. I always bring myself some good ol Tapatio or Sriracha to get the flavor going.
@SpcKringUSA9 ай бұрын
What happened to the Hot Sauce bottle that was in the MRE's? Those made the MRE's way better
@BuzzzdLightyear7 ай бұрын
Can't believe Old Gregg joined the military
@andoyskies98559 ай бұрын
Handsome soldier
@JaemanEdwards8 ай бұрын
Gaybo
@stephaniemarwan97637 ай бұрын
He forgot to lean up against "a rock or something"
@kitsunenz878 ай бұрын
BTW a kiwi saying "not too bad" = Bad, just trying to be nice about it :D
@colonelfustercluck4868 ай бұрын
"Not Bad" or"Not too bad" mean good, good enough or reasonable in NZ. Its a backhanded compliment. Said in a laconic way. We often understate things.
@Crusher64367 ай бұрын
The soldiers were probably asked if they had any spare mre's and gave them the worst ones.
@simonkupa50419 ай бұрын
Good old fashion kiwi lad . Gotta love the kiwi humor chur bro
@JaemanEdwards8 ай бұрын
He's a hick
@markf56094 ай бұрын
The interviewer interpreted his favorite meal as beef ravioli. But I think he meant beef ragout. If MRE makes a beef ragout? I think he meant beef ragout. Or maybe he meant beef ragu. But I don't think he meant ravioli. French and Italian dishes get all scrambled up by the US Army.
@1.41429 ай бұрын
awkward but funny
@IAmGeeeWiz9 ай бұрын
Nah mate, not awkward, that's just a typical kiwi
@sadie85588 ай бұрын
That bloody accent, always warms my heart to hear my fellow countrymen speak
@MattUK369 ай бұрын
Next time try the 🇪🇸 Spanish rations.....thank me later 😉
@halfrightface7 ай бұрын
ALWAYS good time working with Kiwis 100%
@georgesheffield15809 ай бұрын
The Freach and Italian equivalent are by far the best , much above most other nations . Their restaurant food is also much above other countries also .
@shannonbuck73577 ай бұрын
Spinach caught in your teeth makes great tooth camouflage.
@Jose-wf6po7 ай бұрын
Imagine being allergic to anything in your MRE (peanuts) lmfao yall would be SOL
@FinancialShinanigan9 ай бұрын
You'd think the soldier would get subtitles lol
@kimjongun21057 ай бұрын
Anyone else notice that the cardboard heater cover was for hashbrown casserole?
@melodyparra29609 ай бұрын
Not the worst looking thing but I wonder if they trade mres with each other
@corvettesbme9 ай бұрын
Probably!
@TheWaifu4Laifu9 ай бұрын
we 100% do. During an exercise in Poland I traded with the British and Polish for theirs. Objectively speaking they're more or less the same quality of ingredients, but the novelty of a foreign MRE in different packaging (i.e. Polish MRE had potted meats or canned stews) really made it taste better when in the field.
@CadyCadwell9 ай бұрын
NZ is so far from war and no one bothered to invade them. yet here they're, with us allies. glad to have kiwis on our side
@SCRB1GR3D989 ай бұрын
Spinach fettuccine is ranked up there with the vomlet as far as worst MRE's
@shygorilla80829 ай бұрын
I don't know if anything can compare to that veggie omelette.
@robertrainey93503 ай бұрын
drink a lot of water and take a laxative every day
@thegingergiant26839 ай бұрын
Y’all gave him three bad ones. 😭
@D_Handler3 ай бұрын
People don’t know how fyre 🔥 NZ KFC is
@blackberuang9 ай бұрын
SUBTITLES?
@asahearts19 ай бұрын
Press the cc button
@thomasshi77177 ай бұрын
Feels bad for him having to eat all these “food”
@Big.Stepper.9 ай бұрын
New Zealand has an army? For what?
@georgesheffield15809 ай бұрын
For dumb questioner, worked with them in beautiful sonny SE Asia . Quality Soldiers they are .
@MinecraftDelivery9 ай бұрын
Bro thinks NZ is only about sheep and lord of the rings I bet he has never been to New Zealand
@mamingakuri24369 ай бұрын
erm.....for defence?
@subculturenz9 ай бұрын
Umm maybe for all the World Wars we have fought in and peace keeping we do all over the world. What a dumb question.
@subculturenz9 ай бұрын
And the Boer War, Vietnam and the Korean War.
@VenturiRSA8 ай бұрын
"I've never had a wicked wing, what is it" "it's a spicy wing" God I love my southern hemisphere blokes. We're too simple and straight to the point 😂
@Theire15 ай бұрын
I was raised by a working Mom that hated to cook and she was married to a man that lost his sense of taste and smell to an illness at age 23 .... she was a horrible cook but as a kid I knew nothing else until I got to school. Man those school lunches were fantastic, I don't think there is an MRE in the World that I would not enjoy . 18 of years of bad food makes you admire even the simplest meals. Im very Blessed
@spankyharland98458 ай бұрын
poor chap, the guy is turning green due to eating MRE's.
@Zulutime448 ай бұрын
These MREs look pretty good for field rations. In my active duty days the best were "individual meals", consisting of excellent canned food . The worst were the old Combat Rations, everything you need for one day. Three of those in you kit and you were ready for the line of departure.
@jefffaulkner28756 ай бұрын
For those of you who do not know. When you're in the field, you don't EVER get to use the heating source! It's lunchtime, you have three minutes!
@holdenmcgroin86999 ай бұрын
What a polite guy… US personnel would most likely curse on this review
@MarcusTheDarkness7 ай бұрын
You have captions for the wrong person! 🤦♂️
@TheSunIsMyDestroyer7 ай бұрын
Wait is KFC actually popular in New Zealand or is he just joking?
@bobknee41278 ай бұрын
“Whats the best MRE you’ve had?” “Beef ravioli” This man knows.
@donseuala98438 ай бұрын
Im convinced this guy is half Samoan/Tongan with the KFC answer😂👏🏼
@classeklintan47937 ай бұрын
This dude is a real MRE goat😊
@Polish_Gopnik8 ай бұрын
when he said : "heathen baeyg" i felt that
@Rooxie9738 ай бұрын
3:24
@Polish_Gopnik8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the timestamp❤😊
@Zachieboi_128 ай бұрын
NEW ZEALAND MENTION RAHHHHHH!!
@evangonsalves43477 ай бұрын
No, I think anyone should try the veggie cheese omelette as their first MRE for the authentic experience. For some reason that gray jiggly blob was mostly our only option for a period of time