But I'm Stationary? - Audi VN69VWE

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[@Perthshire]

Can't be sure whether it was six or just five cyclists that went through the red light in this short clip

[@Ryan-pz2wh]

lol cope with it. Seethe harder. Cyclists dominate while motorists sit in traffic 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@markbild2366]

Plus the escooter rider

[@Ryan-pz2wh]

@@markbild2366COPE

[@KentRoads]

@@Ryan-pz2wh the only thing being dominated is cyclist anus from their tiny little seats

[@trs4u]

Nice to see most of them pedalling at least. Only a couple of motor-bikes. Our NetZero plan at the moment is all about reducing (should be about nullifying) emissions, so policing what RLJing riders perceive as a rare personal benefit could be counterproductive. Still, who doesn't like to see one stopped and fined when it happens?

[@phillwainewright4221]

There should be a national campaign to make people aware that being stationary make no difference. Too many offenders are convinced the law doesn't apply if they're not moving.

[@ditch3827]

You mean like this channel?

[@prof1982]

There should be a national campaign to make cyclists identifiable also.

[@GenialHarryGrout]

Instead if ignoring red light jumping cyclists, Mike should just post their faces on the end of his videos. I am a cyclist and all cyclists should adhere to the same laws as drivers.

[@rockgsxr]

this is about phone drivers not cyclists, you can set up your own channel and film cyclists if you want to

[@GenialHarryGrout]

@@rockgsxr At least 2 cyclists ran red lights and Mike does video and report drivers that do this

[@jakecollin5548]

My favourite line for those claiming its ok since they are stationary: "I dont think even you can that stupid to think thats an excuse" By default any response after that by them is either a claim they are stupid or that they did know.

[@KentRoads]

I still can't get over that video from yesterday

[@bruno_Oferrara]

I Was there today at 17:49pm exactly was a long queue and I counted like 10 cars at least all on their phones everybody !! 🙈🙈🙈

[@Itsallfun3000]

Why don't you do something about everyone who jumped the red lights

[@markbild2366]

Plus another 6 points for the escooter rider

[@Perthshire]

I'm sure it will be registered, MOT'd and insured and he will have an RLJ exemption card.

[@markbild2366]

​@@Perthshirethat's the point you can't get insurance on private escooter only the rental ones

[@CyclingMikey]

Indeed - in law that's an electric motorcycle, so if the police choose to prosecute rather than warn, he'd be done for no insurance. I met a Deliveroo rider at court who got done for 6 points and a good £840 fine or so. He was only 19, couldn't speak a lot of English, was from Brazil, and was in tears.

[@prof1982]

​@@CyclingMikeygood.

[@Manu-Official]

That smirk dropped in sync with the window 😂👌

[@PedroConejo1939]

Ah, the old five-ring Audi. I hope they got their prize.

[@Perthshire]

five ring?

[@PedroConejo1939]

@@Perthshire Four on the grille and one in the driver's seat.

[@Perthshire]

@@PedroConejo1939 wedding ring? 💍

[@PedroConejo1939]

@@Perthshire Your wedding might have been rather different to mine.

[@badabing8884]

I got my replies from the Met after 8/9 days for two close pass offences after I reported them. Can take a while. I would advise anyone reporting traffic offences and who have video evidence of the incident and number plate to report as soon as possible after the offence and certainly within 10 days, as the Met or your local police force only have 14 days to review and serve an NIP. Don’t let these drivers get away with it. It’s not grassing, as you don’t owe them anything. They owe other road users a duty of care to drive with due care and attention.

[@halemcdan1]

Definition of grassing (on) present participle of grass (on), British slang. as in telling (on) to give information (as to the authorities) about another's improper or unlawful activities. Grass

[@user-sf7kl9uh7k]

@@halemcdan1 Nah, close passing sucks, there's no benefit to the offending driver, it's just moronic.

[@Halil87ibrahim]

What about those cyclists who cross red light, why don’t they get caught?

[@Greenphil111]

Nothing about cyclist and scooters

[@trs4u]

Start a KZbin channel based on tackling RLJ riders! Wait. How would it work?

[@Al6Rockman]

Its going on so long (phone use while driving)im surprised a special task force hasn't been set up to deal with it or are they just sitting back thinking Its ok Mikey is doing it for us but we'll still get paid for doing nothing

[@SteveLoughran]

Hey, give us each a £10 bounty per conviction and the entire fleet of deliveroo riders would be enforcing then law…

[@namastezen3300]

Yes, Mikey.

[@theloveboxquartet]

To be fair, the cyclists should be able to go through the red light if turning left as they're straight onto a separated cycle lane. Again it's the car brain myth of vehicular cycling that's being conformed to...

[@andreashaynes3346]

Being stationary is one thing but you’re not parked up; so it’s still an offence to use your phone whilst driving. SIMPLE!!! Well done Mikey 👍👍👍

[@user-sf7kl9uh7k]

Sad looked a sweet lady, but the law is clear.

[@chubz2218]

Thanks Michael Van Erp🤣

[@CyclingMikey]

You're a fscking brain surgeon, aren't you? Did you not think to google me?

[@wendiest]

@@CyclingMikey Hey, Mikey. (Luv ya!) What are your views on this? "Drive and Rant with Charlie Veitch..." kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5bRkIihaNd6gsk :)

[@bhoops13]

A sensible thing would be that that red light should somehow become like a permanent amber one for cyclists, always allowed to go as long as the way is completely clear.

[@PedroConejo1939]

Certainly for a left turn, that is a good idea.

[@teamofsteve]

I get the feeling a lot of cyclists would still ignore any form of red light. I cycled through Manchester at the weekend, stopped for a red light and the cyclist behind me almost crashed into me. It's a joke, no wonder many drivers hate us.

[@ETr4d3]

in many countries cyclists can turn right on red light (left in the UK)

[@JustSomeVideos0]

@@PedroConejo1939 I'm not sure. Pedestrians crossing have enough difficulty thanks to some cyclists going through reds, I worry if it was amber and cyclists would be allowed to go "if clear" this would become "as long as you can weave between pedestrians ensuring you just about miss everyone". I don't see the issue with stopping at reds when cycling- have a breather, grab a drink, it's all good. I suspect it would also encourage the "them vs us" tribal mentality if there were different rules for bikes and cars. That being said I do think the junctions with seperate traffic lights for bikes giving them a few seconds to safely cycle off is a sensible move. Perhaps it's just me but I wobble a bit when getting my feet in and I do always feel a bit precarious at that point.

[@RJWhitmore]

@@JustSomeVideos0 Looking at it as if it was a side road, no traffic lights. Side roads work fairly well; one of the biggest sources of insurance claims after tailgating, but still. People are expected to make a judgement on when its clear and go - this includes being aware of pedestrians. Traffic lights streamline the process on busier roads and make it safer if people obey them. The difference here, however, is the expectation - a red light means it should be safe to cross as a pedestrian, where as no lights does not provide this expectation. Likewise, a vehicle from the right is expecting a clear road and so is not going to be paying attention in the same way they would to a side road with no traffic lights. That is the reason that cars can't go if they have a red light and it looks clear - otherwise the argument could be made for cars as much as cyclists. The only consideration remaining for me is when there is a _cycle-lane_ turning left at a red light; theorectically cyclists here should only have to worry about other cyclists and pedestrians if turning left - which are both quite slow in comparison to cars and therefore far less likely to be a surprise collision. So, it should be relatively safe, at least as safe as side road exiting is.

[@archstanton5603]

Well done Mikey!

[@ytr8989]

👍

[@dimbus2000]

You should carry some leaflets to hand out explaining the rules, might help people understand better

[@grahamhorne6956]

Ignorance of the law is no excuse and never had been. Leaflets unnecessary.

[@Ryan-pz2wh]

@@grahamhorne6956 ignorance of the law can be a defence where the morality of the act is ambiguous. However in these cases, almost all of these phone drivers are both discretely using their phones and then immediately dropping them when CM catches them which would make pleading ignorance impossible.

[@trs4u]

He could put a big QR code on his bike linking to this channel, so phone-using drivers can find out what's about to happen.

[@user-rs5er5yv7r]

Don't worry about justifying yourself for not calling out red light jumping cyclists. You can't do everything and what you focus on you do wonderfully. If people have a problem with it then they should challenge them.

[@hawkhoskins4250]

I’m above the law because I’m bored.

[@eltrappososa9913]

In case the Audi Driver watching, this cyclist is Mike Van Erp lives in Biggin Hill

[@rockgsxr]

what do you think that is going to do

[@kevindare3113]

Cyclists have there own rules, not the same as everyone else, hope they get number plates on them, then we could have motorists v the cyclists contest, that would be fun wouldn’t it.

[@CyclingMikey]

Two different studies found that cyclists are more law-abiding than drivers, as groups of people. I bet that will distress you.

[@kevindare3113]

@@CyclingMikey the only thing that distress me is watching people go though red lights

[@CyclingMikey]

A strange London fact is that more cyclists have been killed because they waited at red lights than have been killed by them jumping red lights. I don't like RLJing either, but I do realise that it's far FAR less risky than all the drivers who do RLJ.

[@bhoops13]

Do tell us how you'd put big number plates on every bike in the country.

[@kevindare3113]

@@bhoops13 the same as you put on every car in the country

[@itsonlyme9938]

Audi do cowboy phone driver.😂

[@olliebrake]

You sir are the not law… funny how you never go after cyclists that jump red lights or the scooter riders that went through the red lights…..

[@CyclingMikey]

Correct, I'm not the law, I'm just a witness. It doesn't change the fact that my videos have resulted in almost 1,800 prosecutions and many driver disqualifications. As for the cyclists and scooter riders - why aren't you being the change you want to see? Why aren't you reporting them?

[@sparerib]

It's about time cyclists were made identifiable, so they can be held accountable for their actions too.

[@CyclingMikey]

Cyclists are already identifiable and policed according to the risk they pose. If you want numberplates, it's never going to happen. Only North Korea does that because it has massive disbenefit to society and no actual benefit.

[@bhoops13]

Do tell us how then, in a practical way

[@szkman9984]

Indeed. And it is WAY beyond time that they were made to pay tax or VED to use their bicycles on the road.

[@CyclingMikey]

@@szkman9984 * There is no road tax - it was abolished in the 1930s to stop entitled drivers from claiming that they own the public highway. You mean VED, a pollution tax. It's obvious why cyclists and pedestrians don't pay that tax. * As a driver you're a freeloader - the sum of motoring taxes in the UK is far less than the sum cost of motoring to society. All drivers are heavily subsidised by non-driving taxpayers. * You drive only via revocable licence; your driving is a privilege and not a right. Cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders/carriages all use the public highway by right and were there before cars were. Know your place. * You're required by law as a driver to have MOT, VED, insurance, and a licence; cyclists, pedestrians, and horse riders/carriages are not required to have these. None of these payments change the fact that your driving is a privilege and not a right. * Drivers are more lawbreaking than cyclists. www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study/ * I have a playlist of drivers disqualified by the courts as a result of cyclist videos here: kzbin.info/aero/PL50HnB_iNgL4VLK1XXwdYkX2kn3Bbjh7B

[@SteveLoughran]

@@szkman9984wow. I don’t pay VED, congestion charges or fuel duty on my Electric Wankpanzer. You’d be making cycling more expensive to me than driving

[@alanduncan3349]

Looks like i owe cycling mickey and his channel a huge apology for my previous comment which i will delete as it is wrong Should of been sent to Bhoops13

[@bhoops13]

Which comment should you have sent to bhoops13?

[@alanduncan3349]

​@@bhoops13 I accused Cycling Mickey of removing my comments which were reasonable and polite but then thought he doesn't even delete rude unpleasant comments so presumed it was you as they were both in reply to your comment on red light jumping If it wasn't you I apologise but seems strange as never had a comment disappear before

[@szkman9984]

Stopped in traffic for total and utter fs😡.

[@CyclingMikey]

Stationary phone drivers are still dangerous for many reasons: 1) The people using their phones when stationary are very often the same people using them when moving. They only put the phone down because I caught them. 2) They are entirely unaware of people crossing the road around them. See here where a phone driver almost hits someone in the queue twitter.com/phonekills/status/1491526464520560641?s=20 See this other tweet where a 5 year old child is almost hit by a phone driver who was stationary: x.com/cmdkenyon/status/1724483042046067052?s=20 3) They are entirely unaware of filtering cyclists and motorcyclists, despite the Highway Code requiring us to be aware of this. 4) Phone distraction lasts for a good time after you put the phone away. Even if you're only using the phone in each traffic queue at each junction (which is highly unlikely), then you're constantly topping up your mental distraction and are basically as disabled as a drunk driver. 5) Phone driving is worse than drink driving for distraction rates, and that's why it's part of the #Fatal4 behaviours that police target heavily. 6) Here's a police officer telling you that he has been on the scene for 3 fatal RTCs involving drivers who were stationary whilst using their phones, and then moved off and caused a collision: twitter.com/markandcharlie/status/1604073330751197184?s=20&t=uj8sgu7spu4cTyDqqqds2g 7) Policing phone drivers will help them stop other traffic offences too - it's vanishingly rare that someone only breaks a single traffic law like mobile phone use. 8) Parliament recently chose to strengthen the mobile phone law around stationary phone use because it's dangerous and the science supports this. I'm really not interested in this nonsense of "it's not dangerous when stationary, because it clearly is and it's clearly still very appropriate to catch these drivers.

[@szkman9984]

@@CyclingMikey. Well what about drivers who listen to the radio then eh?

[@CyclingMikey]

@@szkman9984 Not even slightly the same level of distraction as texting on a phone. That's science for you - being able to determine what is distracting.

[@szkman9984]

@@CyclingMikey. Well for me checking messages is the same as listening to the radio. And FYI I NEVER use the phone whilst on the move.

[@CyclingMikey]

@@szkman9984 It isn't the same, despite your wishful thinking. One is illegal, distracting and will earn you 6 penalty points, a fine, and a doubling of your insurance at next renewal. The other is legal and not distracting.

[@romorobloxkalubi5372]

Bro just mind your business, like your some weirdo looking inside peoples personal space

[@leme3503]

a car is not a personal space.. it's in public, you have no right to privacy inside a vehicle try w*nking off in your car in front of the police station and claim it's a personal, private space, see what happens

[@romorobloxkalubi5372]

​@leme3503 Let me tell you something, you have no right to look inside a person's car, if you are to look someone's car and look inside and the owner of the car sees you he might think your trying to rob this car. But he this biker puts himself in danger to make complaints about everything which is annoying as fuck and he needs to grow up, and him trying to expose people's face on youtube is an invasion of someone's privacy and it is something you cannot do without the person's consent. Use your brain for once mate.

[@CyclingMikey]

Bates v DPP 1993 "although the inside of the car is not of itself a public place, once the car is in a public place what was inside it was in a public place." Every day, cases are heard based on what was seen on the inside of a car, from a public place. Own your misdeeds.

[@romorobloxkalubi5372]

​@CyclingMikey are you on about a quote or an actual law because that makes no sense

[@leme3503]

@@romorobloxkalubi5372 read the law for once mate.. In the UK this is 100% legal. You have every right to look into someone's car that's in a public space. You are allowed to film individuals. And thinking that someone who's saving lives by catching dangerous drivers needs to 'grow up', is concerning on many levels.

[@user-oz3sz6vx5v]

So many people on bikes breaking the law.

[@bhoops13]

So many drivers of vehicles going above the speed limit, phone driving, illegally parking, killing THOUSANDS of pedestrians, cyclists and other road users... what should be done, eh?

[@ditch3827]

@@bhoops13 Very true. 75% of all unlawful homicides in UK are committed by motorists. Knife crime pales into insignificance compared to car crime.

[@jwsoton9300]

As always cyclists behaving incredibly dangerous and care free by pleasing themselves and riding through red lights and all over the road but ironically another bad cyclist gets great pleasure in filming and reporting an innocent motorist sat in traffic STATIONARY, not dangerous at all. ...!

[@CyclingMikey]

You couldn't be more wrong or ignorant: Cyclists, as groups of people, are more law abiding than drivers. More cyclists in London are killed as a result of waiting at red lights than as a result of going through red lights. Whilst I don't approve of cyclist RLJing, the reality is that it's drivers who're killing large numbers of people by red light jumping, and IIRC only 1 pedestrian has died in 20 years as a result of a cyclist jumping a red light. Cyclists "all over the road" - yes, cyclists are allowed to use any part of their lane, and to ride in lanes 2 or 3. They don't have to stay left to keep you happy, that is not the law. Stationary phone drivers are still dangerous for many reasons: 1) The people using their phones when stationary are very often the same people using them when moving. They only put the phone down because I caught them. 2) They are entirely unaware of people crossing the road around them. See here where a phone driver almost hits someone in the queue twitter.com/phonekills/status/1491526464520560641?s=20 See this other tweet where a 5 year old child is almost hit by a phone driver who was stationary: x.com/cmdkenyon/status/1724483042046067052?s=20 3) They are entirely unaware of filtering cyclists and motorcyclists, despite the Highway Code requiring us to be aware of this. 4) Phone distraction lasts for a good time after you put the phone away. Even if you're only using the phone in each traffic queue at each junction (which is highly unlikely), then you're constantly topping up your mental distraction and are basically as disabled as a drunk driver. 5) Phone driving is worse than drink driving for distraction rates, and that's why it's part of the #Fatal4 behaviours that police target heavily. 6) Here's a police officer telling you that he has been on the scene for 3 fatal RTCs involving drivers who were stationary whilst using their phones, and then moved off and caused a collision: twitter.com/markandcharlie/status/1604073330751197184?s=20&t=uj8sgu7spu4cTyDqqqds2g 7) Policing phone drivers will help them stop other traffic offences too - it's vanishingly rare that someone only breaks a single traffic law like mobile phone use. 8) Parliament recently chose to strengthen the mobile phone law around stationary phone use because it's dangerous and the science supports this. I'm really not interested in this nonsense of "it's not dangerous when stationary, because it clearly is and it's clearly still very appropriate to catch these drivers.

[@andreashaynes3346]

Being stationary is one thing but you’re not parked up; so it’s still an offence to use your phone whilst driving. SIMPLE!!! Well done Mikey 👍👍👍