But My Pain Is Constant - Is it Still TMS/Perceived Danger Pain?

[@anniechin2162]

I’ve had constant pain for 15 years but since learning about TMS/PDP and Dan the Mindset Man they are moving all over the place and less intensity! I’m not fearful because it is all Perceived Danger Pain and nothing else! When I found out about TMS/PDP it was a hallelujah moment for me because it means I have HOPE! Hold on Pain Ends! Please don’t giveup this is the WAY FORWARD! ❤️

[@PainFreeYou]

Boom - love it!

[@christyhunter7879]

The nicest bit was giving yourself permission to stop looking for answers/ treatment etc as that was what gave me anxiety!

[@greenleader413]

A friend of my best friend had swollen fingers - dactylitis - they were inflammed - for 7 years - he was on anti-inflammatories. They (docs) or he then found found out that its was psychosomatic and all is good now. This gives me hope. Thanks Dan for all your videos.

[@PainFreeYou]

Interesting but not surprising. The brain can create all sorts of symptoms.

[@greenleader413]

@@PainFreeYou Can TMS pain also have an insidious onset? Best wishes and have a good weekend

[@Mozzos]

One of my TMS symptoms was swollen fingers and finger nails. I would have so much pressure under my finger nails, extremely painful. It would stop me from playing guitar. They would change colour too. Butttt was just TMS, nothing scary or to be concerned. As Dan says shift your attention and remove the fear and get back to living.

[@PainFreeYou]

@@greenleader413 It can come on gradually or suddenly. There is no rule of thumb.

[@greenleader413]

@@PainFreeYou good news - thanks

[@rajbilla76]

I’m glad you covered this as constant pain is not covered enough. My pain is constant and I noticed it spreads, but with mindfulness, feelings of joy, living in the present and safety it reduces my pain. 💜🌻🦋✨

[@PainFreeYou]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Inge508]

I’m gonna trust the doctor ! I’m gonna trust all the negative results from scans, blood 🩸 work, etc..! And most of all I trust what you teach about Tms here Dan! I don’t see big shifts yet physically but subtle shifts are surely happening now! So lots of optimistic thoughts to continue this path ! Thanks for the reassuring message Dan! You don’t know how much you keep people going ! Lots of appreciation for you! Have a nice Friday and a relaxed weekend Dan and everyone ! 🙏🤗🌻

[@greenleader413]

Have😊 a nice weekend too

[@Inge508]

@@greenleader413 thank you! Sending you lots of positivity and calm!🤗🌻

[@Lenneke8422-b3t]

And for all of you a good weekend love you all

[@Inge508]

@@Lenneke8422-b3t have a stress-free weekend Lenneke!🙏💝

[@PainFreeYou]

Thank you Inge. Really appreciate you.

[@massagepublications]

I haven’t walked in a couple of days, not since someone smashed in my passenger side window. I just knew it was rest and renew days. This morning I woke up and one of my first thoughts is I’m going to have a great hike today! I’m trusting the process! ❤thanks Dan

[@marly1869]

😊🙌🏼 sorry about your car 😕

[@PainFreeYou]

Oh wow! Bummer about the window, but good for you and your mindset today.

[@riccardoaddis5746]

Another beautiful reminder that I am in the right Place, thanks Dan! 🙏

[@PainFreeYou]

Yes you are!

[@kellybonanno]

I am also glad you covered this topic. My pain can go from bad to worse but it doesn't go away either. I've definitely been guilty of fear in the past and sometimes it rears its ugly head and I doubt but I've gotten very good at indifference. This particular symptom imperative started at a stressful time but for several months now everything in my life is wonderful, I'm extremely happy so I am completely perplexed at why the pain is still here.

[@PainFreeYou]

You can be happy with your life, but the brain is still perceiving danger physically. Fear and attention keep symptoms going. Not all perceived danger is conscious. How do you respond to the pain?

[@kathleenwharton2139]

I now have a Mantra..”Relax and Allow”. I found myself through mediation to continually be Tense and Resisting the symptoms. My body seems to have to be Told what to Do! 😊

[@camusoshin]

Thanks Dan. Had this both legs, buttocks, coccyx and feet pain for five years none stop. Went to the gym today and worked out my legs. In agony now. The fact it’s never gone even when distracted keeps me worried about tms. Trying to keep calm but still scared about the tarlov cyst on my spine. Going to watch your pain after exercise videos again.

[@PainFreeYou]

Simply put, the pain increased after exercise because your brain perceives it as dangerous.

[@DiogoSantos-ix5sl]

I needed to watch this video; moving forward.

[@michaelstreit1603]

This feels like an important piece of the puzzle finally falling into place. Thank you

[@PainFreeYou]

Very important.

[@elpresidente1158]

Thanks for touching this. I’ve been dealing properly with other tms symptoms such as numbness and tingling, fatigue and the rest and the flare ups have been put under control eversince I started applying your teachings but lately I developed a new stomach issue which is trying to get the better of me because it’s completely new to me. Feeling constantly constipated, on and off pains and generally feeling and looking bloated down to the pelvic area. I ran a test sometime ago and nothing was found. I’m sure this is also TMS but the distractions are crazy. I’ll hold on and apply these principles and also record a win on this too. Thanks Dan for all you do.

[@PainFreeYou]

Being in the stress response can and does cause stomach distress. When we are in fight or flight, our digestion is suppressed which can cause the symptoms you are experiencing. Stressing out about a stress caused issue will keep it going. Trust your body to return to balance. Stress less. Especially about these symptoms.

[@elpresidente1158]

@@PainFreeYou Thanks for helping me address this. Truly appreciate 🙏🏽

[@hew195050]

Yup. This is EXACTLY the question lately. In fact they are worse than ever.

[@aliyakassam-dawoodani6736]

This is so true! Within the first 10 mins of waking up in the morning I’m looking for my symptoms because I don’t want it to “sneak” up on me . I had 5 days of relief so I am 100% convinced it is TMS but my fear and attention is constantly ON

[@PainFreeYou]

It takes time to dial down the fear. Keep at it.

[@aliyakassam-dawoodani6736]

@@PainFreeYou thank you Dan …

[@carissakinder029]

I needed some encouragement today badly. Ugh some days are ok and some are bad. Today it's cold and I'm hurting 😫 thanks again Dan . These talks help my anxiety with pain come down for the moment .

[@1STBUCKLEY]

I had to stop saying it's the weather(cold,damp,hot)as the reason, all that was doing was telling my brain to associate the pain outcome with the weather. Helped turn the PDP down. It might work for you, if that is you. Not sure if you're just saying cold weather (depressing) if that makes sense. All the best.

[@shukrisaleh3389]

Hot, cold and stress cause me more pain. I don't know if I have fibromyalgia but was feeling this pain for years and Doctors didn't find anything. When I'm stress I get pain and burning sensations.

[@PainFreeYou]

A great place for understanding is here: www.PainFreeYou.com/start

[@AvaGreenFeather]

Thank you Dan! 🙏😊

[@PainFreeYou]

Any time

[@kalosevillinas]

Dan is Correct..Anxietycentre says the same..I quote..symptons can be once in a while, and ot PERSISTING INDEFINITELY...it is STRESSED BASED

[@cheechcarriero5739]

This is me with burning mouth syndrome never stops

[@cbronco92]

I have had constant all body pain and fatigue for twenty years . I have been bed bound for most of this time. I am sure it's TMS . This year I found wimhof, and his breathing exercise helps me to have some energy so that I can actually do the things you are saying , going out to live life at least a little bit. Do I need to stop doing it . All my temporary symptoms are mostly gone thanks to you :)

[@1STBUCKLEY]

I do the cold shower thing(well sort of lol) but I don't associate it with the pain, it just warms me up and a energy boost as well as a immune boost

[@PainFreeYou]

If Wim is helping, keep at it.

[@aneks1019]

I have tremors and pain in my legs only when standing i have it all the time..Fear is to the top.Symptoms started a year ago with pain in different parts in my body, i get it that pain was TMS and sudsided but tremors can't understand them although the doctors reassured my that are psychogenic

[@PainFreeYou]

Tremors can absolutely be created by the brain in response to perceived danger. The solution is the same whether it's tremors or pain or both.

[@patrickjagger]

Hi Dan Thanks for the videos Similar to the below comment from Annie I have had constant back/side pain for approx 5 years. I also have a shoulder that is weak, numb and cracks. But this back pain, it’s mostly in my sides and is there every morning. When it’s bad it spreads up to my neck. My whole back and neck just feel mega tight and sore. I’ve had a few spasms recently because they’re so tight. I’m currently re-reading Healing Back Pain and I have been journaling for 16 days straight. I’d say my pain has improved by 10%. But then my brain says “well you always have good and bad patches” Not sure what else I should be doing..? It’s depressing being in pain everyday. When I have a “good” day, my mood is so much better. I listen to podcasts on the way to work everyday too..

[@PainFreeYou]

Hey Pat. The goal is teaching our brain we are safe. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4TWfKF3nKappLs A good place to begin understanding what is going on and the path forward is here: www.PainFreeYou.com/start

[@kathleenhannmann760]

I have constant pain, but it is in my foot & my back I Truley Believe its TMS I have had this stuff on and off for years this time I have had for 5 years, and the Pandemic has really not helped me. My job turned out to really suck I have had this job for about 6 years and feel like I'm stuck in it. I can retire in a couple of years but not now. I also rent a room from someone, and he is home working on different days I never know when He will be there. I know I'm constantly in fight or flight because I never know when my Job or home life will change. But I am determined to🙏 beat this TMS. boy have I spent lots of money trying to find out what is wrong with me. Or I knew what's wrong buts its hard doing the work and staying with the work it takes to do it, I want results Now. I know it does not work like that, but I am a recovering Addict and have all ways wanted Immediate results. Thank you, Dan, for your work to help me and anyone with TMS.

[@PainFreeYou]

You can do this. Stay on the path.

[@kathleenhannmann760]

@@PainFreeYou ty

[@paul-ie]

I think it can be a feedback loop. Tension (coming from the brain) can actually cause "physical" symptoms, which reinforce the fear and so on. I believe this is the case with chronic pelvic pain (in my case especially), muscles that are severely tensed up become physically "injured" ie there is actual healing that needs to take place. Imagine if you held your arm fully contracted for a week, it would kill if you then tried to straighten it out. It doesn't mean your bicep is "broken", nor does it mean it's all "from the brain", that would be a physical symptom caused, technically, by the nervous system.

[@PainFreeYou]

I had tight painful muscles for over a decade. In my experience and opinion, it was never an "injury". TMS does not injure us despite the amount of pain. Perceived danger explains it all to me: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp-4Z354dttonMk

[@paul-ie]

@@PainFreeYou so you think it's not possible for the brain/nervous system to cause physical damage to the body?

[@PainFreeYou]

@@paul-ie In my 25 years of either living this, studying it and now teaching it, my understanding is that TMS and the pain is benign and leaves no damage. Even Dr. Sarno, who discovered TMS, believes it does not damage our body.

[@paul-ie]

@@PainFreeYou yes but as in my example, if you held your arm flexed for weeks it would be benign yet would still be physically "injured" and require time to heal and readjust?

[@Inge508]

@@PainFreeYouyes exactly Dan! Real physical but benign symptoms created by the brain ! If they were injuries, one wouldn’t miss it on a scan! I think for most of us, the weirdness and severity can keep us from ruling in Tms.. which is so understandable but retarding our healing.

[@stephaniedoria2196]

My pain is constant and just won’t go away, I have had all tests come back clear. Mine is burning nerve pain been diagnosed with FND and I’m in constant fear mode. I don’t believe the doctors, how do I overcome this when the pain is so bad when I want to relax.

[@PainFreeYou]

Understanding the cause of pain and symptoms is the absolute starting point. Symptoms are created when the brain perceives danger. Fear and attention cause the symptoms to be persistent. Overcoming this begins with a decision that Perceived Danger is the cause of what is going on. Safety is the solution. The best place to gain foundational knowledge is: www.PainFreeYou.com/start

[@elizabethtara7658]

Mine is constant ' ugh this helps .. thanku

[@PainFreeYou]

It's all perceived danger. This is a great place to begin: www.PainFreeYou.com/start

[@kiaraechegaray3164]

Mine is constant for 11 years very much localized,(lumbar spine/muscles just on right side going down my glute) they cease by laying down flat for a few hours and they increase/worsened by physical activity! Doctors have said in the past that I keep re-injuring myself referring to an old alleged muscle sprain/strain that may have caused scar tissue that easily re-injures then I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia but my pain wss was always been localized and constant 🤔

[@PainFreeYou]

Sounds exactly like perceived danger pain. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp-4Z354dttonMk That's great news. I highly doubt you keep re-injuring yourself. That's a theory by the doctors and they have zero proof. The presence of pain is NOT a good indicator of the condition of the body. It IS a very reliable indicator of the brain perceiving danger.

[@cheechcarriero5739]

But some ent say it is reflux some say it is not causeing the b ms more fear

[@jue7434]

This is definitely me Dan I have constant burning 🔥 in my lower back and hip and thigh.. hip pelvic scan nothing found. Mri lower back slight bulge disc, its that one dr that said to me its touching a nerve not compressing. I think and imagine it's the disc cutting into the nerve.i wish this burning would go it's more when I sit. I feel like my skin has been burnt on a stove.😒

[@rajbilla76]

Check out yoga and chakra healing!

[@PainFreeYou]

All of that graphic visualization of the cause of your pain is why you hurt so much. What if it's TMS / Perceived danger pain and nothing else? Do your best to stop imagining your nerve being cut by the disc. Clarity that your body is already okay is job #1 in recovery. DECIDE that your body is fine and you can begin teaching your brain you are okay.

[@marly1869]

I understand the sensations you described bc that was me 20+ years ago, it was a dull “constant”sensation (made worse with sitting) at that time they found absolutely nothing wrong with CT scans and MRIs, I did my own soothing with yoga and meditation without thinking that was calming my fear level… fast forward to 2015-2016, new MRI showed mild bulging disc… then Ortho said “well that’s it”.. I was like 🤔 well how come nothing was found 15+ years ago and I had the sensations, he was kinda rude..at that point sensation volume went pretty high.. I was almost positive, at that time-it was all TMS (I’d known about tms for years at that point), so I started to look for help on and off.. anyway, not to go into more of the hx of the sensations.. once I found Dan, and became consistent with the “consistency”, no pun intended, of calming the fear down and soothing, letting my brain know that there is nothing wrong with me, the sensations are almost gone -in that area, and when they appear.. I know what it is.. Dan and the membership community has been so helpful, I have no words to describe how grateful I am to have found him..🙏🏼 To give you an idea.. I’ve been walk/jogging again and will be completing a 5k for the first time ever..🙌🏼 Don’t give up! It takes loving ourselves, patience with the process, and letting go-of the need to fix, the fear of pain, and everything else that travels on the TMS wagon..😊 And definitely, like Dan says, I would refrain from describing the sensations with so many hurtful words, our brains really do listen..🧠🤓

[@jue7434]

@@marly1869 Thank you so so much for taking time for this reply. I really appreciate it. Its nice to read that it's not just me I do believe in TMS 100% some days are good and some days are unbearable one thing I have noticed, is I don't wake up with the burning, it's like my brain kicks in once I have come round hopefully I will get to your stage 😀

[@jue7434]

@@PainFreeYou Thanks Dan, 😊

[@jakelemons7645]

If it is constant without fear is it still TMS? Several months ago, I was much less fearful, and didn't even feel like I was in fight or flight. The air hunger still didn't go away, but it was definitely more tolerable, and I was definitely still very stressed and didn't know it was TMS. So I felt caged in. But my fear was way down. It can still be TMS without excessive fear, right?

[@PainFreeYou]

Generally fear and attention are what keeps it going. And not all perceived danger is in our conscious awareness. Yes, absolutely TMS / Perceived Danger Symptoms.

[@cheechcarriero5739]

In my case they say reflux is burning my tongue. Cause my larynx shows reflux but I had it for years Then my b ms started and I don’t think I can reflux for 2years causeing bms

[@terrysturman317]

Hi dan Can your knee swell up, if you pick something up heavier than you normally would, knowing that you have NOT injured it.can Tms do this Thankyou Regards Terry .Birmingham,uk

[@paul-ie]

How do you know you've not injured it if it's now swollen after picking something heavy up?

[@PainFreeYou]

Yes, if the brain perceives injury, it can create swelling as if a real injury happened.

[@1STBUCKLEY]

@@paul-ie if it's a injury it will heal

[@1STBUCKLEY]

I had swelling on foot, high inflammation etc. Doctor couldn't believe it was arthritis. All tests negative. Even saw a specialist. Then one day all gone, never came back. I know now it was tms

[@elizabethtara7658]

Sometimes i yell at it to go away amd I can feel it simmer down or totally vanish for some hours

[@PainFreeYou]

That's proof your brain is creating it all.

[@8aNda1d]

🤚❤

[@galileo3431]

If it's really about fear and anxiety, would anxiety medication like SSRIs help? (Assuming that the SSRI is working and that side effects are negligible or at least moderate)

[@PainFreeYou]

While medication may mute the anxiety a bit, the underlying cause of the fear and anxiety needs to be addressed. That's why a focus on accurate knowledge is more important than a pill to artificially dial down anxiety.

[@tbuonado]

I do love the messaging here. But it’s also gotten me into trouble. My TMS has lead to extremely tight muscles and guarding which then has turned into chronic diagnosed tendinitis. If I ignore the pain and go for a walk or other activity, it backfires and my tendons become far more inflamed and I’m worse off. And of course then the lack of activity drives up the TMS symptoms and more tightness, and thus an infinite spiral. Would appreciate some guidance here, and when to be careful with real tissue damage.

[@PainFreeYou]

Pain going up as a result of activity is NOT evidence that you have damaged the body and increased inflammation. It's simply proof that your brain perceives the activity as dangerous. I do not suggest we ignore pain. That's impossible. I suggest calm reassurance and indifference to the pain. These two videos will help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXnZfpKGg8upqtE kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp-4Z354dttonMk

[@jimblum4477]

My Left hamstring was tight as a rock for almost two years of my TMS journey. I would massage it, stretch it, heat it and yet it would always return. Finally I gave up focusing on it. Instead I turned my attention to what I could control. Such as calming down. Hey, guess what? tight hammy is gone.

[@PainFreeYou]

@@jimblum4477 Wonderful Jim. Thank you Thank you for sharing your experience with this simple concept. Stop fixing the body and it will take care of itself.

[@Lenneke8422-b3t]

Oh for sure it is tms no doubt about that once on this road I can't go back been to all the doctors started this day not ok walked with Daniel who was barking a lot then somebody came then another thing happened got into stress to much I jump at any noice can't handle anymore stress just can't enough is enough doing a mediation and videos am sooo tired.. I am not broken that is what I know so I will keep going love you Dan

[@PainFreeYou]

Safety is the way out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4TWfKF3nKappLs

[@massagepublications]

You ARE healing Lenneke ❤

[@Lenneke8422-b3t]

@@massagepublications thank you so much for saying this ❤️😘

[@spin4physics]

Hi Dan, do you think brain fog and also long covid can be a form of TMS?

[@PainFreeYou]

Absolutely. My take: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2PahqRtrrqklac Two Success Stories: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5_Pn4GXlNeZkKM kzbin.info/www/bejne/r365ppKMhcSCbq8

[@jackthomas996]

My pain has been constant for 6 months. My question is what would be your advice in a situation where there is a real potential threat / perceived danger that could harm my livelihood/career (now or at any time in the future)? Is it still possible to get out of fight or flight?

[@PainFreeYou]

Do your best to KNOW that by dialing down your fear, this worry about losing your job does not need to come true. Implement the concepts I teach. A great place to begin is my getting started page: www.PainFreeYou.com/start

[@jackthomas996]

@@PainFreeYou It’s completely out of my control whether it does or does not. But it could. Surely I have to bear that in mind. With that in mind, surely there will always be doubt? I will take a look at the resources, thanks and appreciate this channel. I think we’re all glad we’re not alone entirely in this struggle

[@PainFreeYou]

@@jackthomas996 You have the ability to influence your brain and give it accurate data that you are truly not in danger. Do this consistently and you can teach the brain to turn off your pain. Focus on safety.

[@jackthomas996]

@@PainFreeYou Thank you for your help. I am still struggling and it is mainly linked to doubt and a lack of certainty. The issue is that it is a FACT (based on my own knowledge of the situation) that the perceived danger COULD still exist and seriously harm my career/reputation/relationship with family friends colleagues. The extent of the damage it could cause is also uncertain. From a factual, objective perspective I can’t eliminate the danger completely and therefore I can’t say for certain that I am completely safe. This is where I am falling short currently. It is difficult to give consistent messages of safety when it is a fact that at any moment I could not be ‘safe’ from the perceived danger. That is how I see things. Do you think it is possible to overcome this (with time and work)? I read the self assessment on your site and began to read Dr Sarno as recommended. I find it incredible that the notion of repressed emotions causing physical pain is so widely and unjustly jettisoned by general practitioners. I have noticed that when I tell people (inc doctors) about my symptoms they simply can’t comprehend the experience and can only relate it to a more moderate form of anxiety. My question is why is there so little exposure on TMS? Is it because the disorder is just so rare - you were the only channel I could find talking accurately about the symptoms I have been suffering from and only (in proportion to the western populations) a few thousand people watch your videos? Or is there another reason re not enough research/limited ability to ‘cure’ TMS with current meds etc? Sorry for the long-winded comment I’m 23 and have never been the type of guy to do this but this has peaked my interest. You are doing great seminal work and I’m extremely thankful for you and your videos. Jack

[@PainFreeYou]

@@jackthomas996 We do not need universal safety in every aspect of life. If that were required, nobody would ever get well. Nobody. Knowing our body is not the cause and teaching the brain we are unconcerned about our body, feel safe with our emotions and are not troubled by our own thoughts is enough. The disorder is not rare at all. It's just that mainstream medicine is blind to it because it's not taught in medical school and you can't make money telling people there's nothing wrong with them. It is estimated that approximately 25% of people in the USA alone have some type of chronic pain or other chronic condition. The vast majority is created by their brains perceiving danger. You can't cure TMS with meds. The brain is creating the pain. We need to convince the brain we are not in danger so it turns off the pain. There is no pill to do that. That's an inside job.