Buyer's Remorse? LUMIX 24-70mm f2.8 vs SIGMA 24-70mm f2.8 // LUMIX S5II & S5IIX

[@rAustinBall]

This could have been a great video. The debate between these two lenses is a hot topic. This was just so sloppy and rushed. Zero research done ahead of time. No game plan. No helpful info for the viewer.

[@JonackFilm]

I have a video online about the 24-70mm f2.8 Lumix :)

[@joshdiditt]

Exactly. They don't know what they are doing

[@paulomateus3083]

What's the point of doing a autofocus test at f11?

[@tuuchen2990]

sunstars

[@Ulrich.Bierwisch]

According to Panasonic's Sean Robinson, Sigma is just as native as Lumix and Leica. Differences in AF-performance are not coming from the name of the l-mount partner but from the lens construction itself.

[@tomking578]

it is said that thhere is some difference using DFD Camera , but S5II which uses PDAF doesn't

[@MarioBenites]

That autofocus problem both lenses have is because of the F11. It happened to me also. Always use a ND filter.

[@aiseurnae5976]

I had both and I've sold the Sigma. Image quality of the Lumix 24-70mm is out of this world. Micro-contrast is very high.

[@cruz6294]

Hi one question with this camera can you record videos while charging with a powerbank? since I would like to use it for long recording periods (around 1 or 2 continuous hours)

[@m-stat9]

image quality is almost the same, every review proves that.

[@BoomingVisuals]

@@cruz6294 Yes you can. Mostly all new cameras that have USB-C can.

[@aiseurnae5976]

@@m-stat9 Reviews are just about sharpness and indeed they are very close. Overall rendering and sense of volume are missing most of the time.

[@1bertoimagemaker]

@@cruz6294 i buyed a S5IIX. I recorded 5 hours with a 12.999mAh chinese NPF battery charging via USB-C.

[@BiblijneChrześcijaństwo]

I swap 24-70 Sigma for 28-70 and 16-28 Sigma and I am happy. Higher range, light weight and still sharpness and overall quality great :)

[@garreswe]

With 16-28 and 28-70 you can cover most "normal" situations, I've got them and I'm super happy with them. Now I'm considering which telephoto lens to go for to complete the lens range :)

[@Thats-My-Call]

Going the same route, already got the 28-70 16-28 is next I'm getting! big plus is the weight. Could potentially balance them on my gimbal with some counterweight, without worrying about the total weight my gimbal can handle which is about 2KG.

[@metreweli]

What can you guys say about build quality and focus speed of 28-70?

[@christianmbabazi9722]

I'm debating switching my 24 to 70 for a 28 to 70

[@CLIFFLIX]

The Lumix 24-70 has one HUGE advantage over the Sigma that you missed! The Sigma aperture star-steps as it opens and closes. It "jolts" in 1/2 or 1/3 stop landings. This is terrible for auto aperture in video....like using on a gimbal. I dont know who is crippling this on Sigma lenese on L mount. (Lumix or Sigma firmware) Lumix lenses all SMOOTH ramp open and closed! It's a "gotcha" that nobody talks about.

[@JonackFilm]

This is so true

[@mattmaddox9367]

Do you happen to know if the Leica branded 24-70 also has this stair stepping iris problem for video?

[@GrainOnTheGo]

@@mattmaddox9367the Leica lenses are rebrands as far as most can tell. So any problems LUMIX S has the Leica’s will.

[@Zizos]

I don't get why the Pana 24-70 doesn't have OIS while the 70-200 has it. I feel like they need to match them more to the MFT 12-35 and 35-100. No idea if the physics have maxed out but if there is room for improvement I'd love a mark 2 of these 2.

[@SakaphotoGraphics]

The original 12-35mm f/2.8 and 35-100mm f/2.8 came with Power OIS because Panasonic bodies didn't have IBIS and they were rather expensive for micro Four-Thirds at the time.

[@osmelruizbarrientos8929]

Let me ask a question. If they both cost the same which one would you buy ???

[@Alminox]

I use the Panasonic Lumix S Pro lenses because they are all parfocal. Something no other mirrorless lens hybrid shooter lens with autofocus can claim.

[@qarbo08]

This is not a parfocalness it’s just a software slightly correct focus while zooming. But yes, magic works!

[@A1Bokeh]

I recently got the pan 24-70 havent used it a to at this poiint but from what i have seen..very freaking nice. I got it new for around 1600.had a sale

[@VisitPunjab]

So buddy wich one is best lens pls tel😊😊

[@davemartin4456]

Thank you Caleb for a very informative video. I have recently bought the S5ii with the 20-60, and 50 mm kit lenses. I also have the 70-300. I am an amateur photographer and am slowly starting to take better pictures now I have come of the "auto" button and am now on manual. Thanks for all the great advice its very helpful to a beginner like me. From London UK

[@JonackFilm]

For me is the Lumix 24-70mm f2.8 Lens the best Lens. I have/had Both. On my observations is the Lumix better in Everything. Maybe bot weight ^^ But man the Micro Contrast is INSANE in the Lumix 24-70mm Lens.

[@CalebHoover]

Thanks for sharing

[@aiseurnae5976]

I can't agree more

[@exitmass]

Ready to switch from Sony a7siii for the open gate and something different but that back lighting scenario has me questioning it completely 🙃

[@MJ-1981]

Thanks for the effort guys, hope to see more S5ii reviews soon.

[@kayodeolaosebikan7462]

Nice one Caleb, you are always doing a good job. Recently, it seems you are gradually shifting towards the S5 series from GH6, lol. Please can you make a video with GH6 with Canon 35mm f1.2 EF lens with speedboaster, I do like to see what the low light performance would be compared to S5 as I plan to upgrade from GH5 to GH6 soon, from a GH5 user in Nigeria. Thanks in advance.

[@siomal1981]

Did you stabilize this video in post or is this straight from the camera?

[@seansaca]

Those panning Sigma shots in the first scene look like IS Boost is turned on because they’re glitchy. IS Boost is not meant for panning. Also, the S Pro lens looks warmer.

[@jayc9184]

Yeah well? I got my 24-105 F4 for $750 and love the image stabe. Full frame is light sensitive enough and the separation is negligible. No talk of aperture rings?

[@giancarloarrobarodriguez5291]

Right now the LUMIX lens runs for $1.700 not bad… I mean for a first party brand that tends to sell them for $2.500-$3.000…. 😅

[@joshdiditt]

Neither one of you know what youre doing.

[@SakaphotoGraphics]

Have you noticed that the S5 Mk II struggles at the EV extremes? My GH4 was much better at night with AF than my S5 Mk II is. Hopefully, Panasonic will continue to refine their AF firmware.

[@mrcinemagrouppy]

i just purchased the lumix one , but see the sigma has a mk2 out now in 24-70 with improvements

[@PopartFilms]

Or the autofocus issue could be because one person has eyes that the camera can recognize and the other has Oakley Blades from the 90's covering his face.

[@Zyrk01]

Does the sigma work just as good on the lumix compared to its native lenses?

[@gowithgoldstraw]

Many autofocus systems can struggle in severe backlit situations, I've even seen it happen in Sony occasionally (see the Northrups' review of the A7C for example). I'm guessing most people would find the Sigma perfectly acceptable in properly lit scenes. Both lenses might do significantly better when shooting a profile other than V-log too, given past history. Overall, though, I'm finding it hard to draw any real conclusions on this comparison as the video looks strangely underexposed throughout - where you shooting at dusk?

[@jessecumberledge4530]

Dude the out of focus backlight issue happens on like half of the Northrups videos.

[@ReiDoesIt]

Native glass for me :-) I like the look and performance and to be honest apart from price, I don't see many benefits for Sigma. :-) I didn't feel the weight difference that much when using both.

[@JenniferKlinger]

As Sean Robinson from Lumix USA says, all 3 companies from L Mount Alliance are native lenses. They only focus on different goals while construction

[@ReiDoesIt]

@@JenniferKlinger Don't you just love the camera community. People outlining details like you did Jennifer, in such a nice manner. And I totally see your point. I'll adjust my terminology to same manufacturers lens 🙂 I've found that when Panasonic has control over both, lens and the body, it tends to work extra good, and I guess that goes to all the other manufacturers. That would be more accurate way of expressing what I wanted to say. 🙂Also I really love that you can pull the clutch focus to have more direct feel of manual focus, or you can switch the dial on body to get more new-age manual focus without the soft-stops, essentially givving to manual focus feels on one lens. 🙂

[@JenniferKlinger]

@@ReiDoesIt thanks for your kind reply. I guess we are lucky to have so much to choose.

[@andreasbulowhansen9413]

The panasonic is parfocal and has no focus breathing. That's what you're paying for if u can live with those two compromises the Sigma is a good option.

[@mohamedal6974]

Thanks Caleb, I still can't tell what exactly the difference between the two in terms of image quality!

[@Brootahlizer]

I'm wondering if the sunglasses made it more difficult for face detect AF to kick in?

[@m-tron5966]

I own the Sigma 24-70, and you could have placed these side by side without telling us which is which...and we'd never know...they're both So Good 😃😃

[@AlexEatsPlants]

A couple things I noticed regarding the Sigma: 1. I think this was addressed by the company, but the first ones that were shipped gathered dust inside the lens elements pretty fast. Like, within a month or two of use, even in a studio setting. I got mine used, and it was one of those units, I've been told. I took out the front element and cleaned it thoroughly, but after only a couple months later it was dusty again :( I eventually just accepted it, it didn't really affect the contrast at all (plus, I had a diffusion filter on it 90% of the time anyway). Just a tad annoying. 2. Maybe I'm being picky, but it was pretty loud when trying to focus. It might be a common thing with these bigger zoom lenses, though (I wouldn't know, I've only ever used primes prior to the Sigma). Still loved it, though. Had it for a year, but had to sell it last week. I might pick it up again sometime in the future. Definitely over the Lumix, at least for the price, if not for anything else.

[@bikramjeet7385]

Can one tell that which lens is the one that had dust issues and which is the modified one? Cause I'm thinking of buying it on second hand market

[@AlexEatsPlants]

@@bikramjeet7385 honestly, reading back my comment, I made it seem like a bigger deal than it was. Yeah, it built up a couple specks of dust over time, but, like I said, it didn't affect image quality. And it's not that hard to take apart the front element every few months, if you feel like it. I got mine used as well, so I wasn't too worried about voiding the warranty. As for how to tell them apart, you'd have to check the serial number. I'd have to google it, but Sigma recalled units from a certain number.

[@Sliff]

focus struggle at f11? thats a bummer, but tbh when I'm filming I mostly use manual focus or a push focus variant! Still can't get used to a photography body to film, missing ports and internal nd's.

[@reZer69]

I would only pay more because of focus ring clutch. Having versatile zoom lens with ois and focus clutch for manual pulling it’s a game changer. you don’t need gimbal with this lens cause of weight and ois, and manual pulling is like butter smooth. Got one, still my favorite lens of all time.

[@ColeSchuyler]

Which lens are you talking about? I thought they said neither of them had OIS. Thanks for the help, in the market right now for a lens.

[@theoell2049]

Internal lens or like the canon 24-70 that lens covered by the hood when zoom out at least

[@Chrisnvh]

This is valuable comparison between native and Sigma. Thank you so much! Just wondering if you ever tried compares between sigma 24-70 f2.8vs Sigma 28-70 f2.8? I think this is currently the struggle of many users.

[@revelationvideoproductions1168]

What about the sigma 28-70?

[@alvarosalguero3651]

Thank you for doing this comparison,I’m thinking to buy one of them .

[@CalebHoover]

Glad it was helpful!

[@TVPALOTINA]

good morning. does the sony v90 memory card work well in the panasonic?

[@metreweli]

I use V60 Tough.. It is working with no issues so far..

[@sidewalkkilla7990]

Does either lens have focusing noise on video?

[@neerajjaswal5991]

Great video Caleb🙏.

[@coltonmonroe9824]

Thank you!

[@stevestrasser6833]

We've had the Lumix 24-70 for some years now. The overall quality is indeed amazing. HOWEVER: for filmmaking, you should be aware that manual focusing is not smooth. You will be seeing "stepping". which is very noticeable on the longer side of the focal length. It will render the footage unusable. This is a huge bummer. Panasonic praises the stepless motors inside this lens but they could not manage to assure that manual focusing stays smooth as well. We've found a workaround that seems to reduce the issue a little bit: instead of pulling the focus clutch to manual, we leave it on autofocus and switch to manual on our camera.

[@creativegreatsvisuals]

what do u mean switch to manual ? can u be more specific in your steps please ?

[@metreweli]

@@creativegreatsvisualsProbably switching to manual from camera body. Focus ring stays on “auto” on the lens, but you can still rotate to change focus.. I guess..

[@VisitPunjab]

Love you my brother's

[@waveland]

The clutch thing is overrated and out of date in this day and age, especially for video shooters who use long-throw (270 degrees or more) linear focus settings in camera. I also rely on linear focus for still life closeups where I want to dial in a very precise point of focus in the composition. I will not buy a lens any more which is incompatible. I do agree about internal zoom as a must. I think the Sigma 28-70 is as close as you can get. I don’t believe anyone makes a 24-70 without an extending barrel. For now I will get by with the f1.8 primes and wait to see what comes next. I don’t work events, so I generally have time to plan shots and switch lenses, or move my feet as required. I realize that’s not the case for many. As a Nikon stills shooter though, I’m not impressed with the Lumix “pro” lineup. Panasonic owes us some updates. But on the flip side I’m really not impressed with the Nikon video feature set, so Lumix it is. And if Sigma can keeps rolling out amazing glass like the 14mm f1.4 announced today I may yet come settle on the S5IIx (and a next gen S1) as my hybrid cameras of choice. Time will tell.

[@wojciechczupta]

is it Sigma "Art" line?

[@jaredcollins-photo]

I definitely am a fan of the Sigma lenses and I've had no issues with them in the past. Do you have or have you had any experience with MDT files in all of your experience with the Lumix bodies?

[@DroneStories]

it's obvious folks. THE NEW PDAF SYSTEM, NEEDS NEW LENSES, WITH FAST MOTORS. If you have noticed, almost all native (Lumix) lenses have NEW Firmware, to "deal" with the new PDAF system. IT'S NOT ENOUGH. New LIGHTER LENSES are urgently needed to keep up with the new AF system.

[@Giovanni-Giorgio]

I got the sigma lens for my sony and bought it for the s5ii as well. I like it a lot. I use the customizable button on the lens for focus locking during autofocus.

[@cesarlorca_]

The Lumix 24-70 is heavy as hell lol that thing is a workout. If I were to do it again id def go sigma

[@Ansonandco]

Dude the lumix is how much? Geez

[@rAustinBall]

$1800

[@iKIMshuffle]

You think you’re having a buyer’s remorse… I bought a Leica 24-70. I want to sell it for a Panasonic 70-200 f2.8

[@yana-s7i3o]

In my country Lumix 2470 cost $1350

[@HYTTFilms]

Why would you do an autofocus test at f11? 😂

[@danieldougan269]

The price difference is so significant that I would have to take the Sigma. There are differences, but none of them would justify the extra cost to me. The Sigma isn't as good, but it's FINE. If you're really concerned with the best possible image quality, you're probably using a prime lens anyway. The only caveat to that is the manual focus clutch with the distance scale on the Panasonic lens, but that is mainly significant if you're shooting video in manual focus.

[@MyFriendlyPup]

GH category is massive. S Series audience is small.

[@Superz3ro]

@Jerimiah Cook The perceptual gains of FF are really minor, The PDAF is the only real differentiator. The GH series with PDAF, would keep a lot of people from transitioning. A.I. will ultimately make everything moot, so the effort to change will be further pointless… 🤔

[@Superz3ro]

@@JerimiahCook The majority of people already do. The DMILC market is mainly just for people who think they are more creative than the rest… 🤔

[@viktormarinkovic5157]

I bought Panasonic S5IIx with Sigma Art 24-70mm. I can tell you one thing; DON'T BUY THEM. Autofocus is disaster, especially with a little backlight. As you can see on this video, the Panasonic 24-70mm has the SAME PROBLEM.

[@BenAnkobiah]

The autofocus still isn't up to scratch unfortunately

[@JLCinelens]

I have the sony a7 IV and recently the Lumix s5IIX and I see no difference, with only one person on the screen, this AF is very very good...But currently the autofocus is good only if we put in Human detection mode

[@JLCinelens]

@emotionair1882 I have the sony a7 IV and the S5IIX and they are very close, but it is clear that some settings have to be adjusted for it to be '' almost'' perfect. but I am preparing a test between the sony and the lumix, for soon you could realize it.

[@loudmotion5639]

The lumix is definitely the loser here, bare in mind that this lens was made for the DFD focusing system and not pdaf. While the sigma is made for pdaf and sigma is trying hard to compete with the sony gm which was one of the best 24-70 before sigma came with half price tag and did 95% of what the sony was giving out. The lumix is also getting old and had so much issues if you bought it at least 2 years after release.

[@livestreamsuk6004]

You definitely win the award for the most depressing lighting and environment!! LOL! Thanks for comparing. After owning the Sigma I just landed a Panasonic for the right price and theres really no comparison once you get down to the details. I dont like the Sigma signature colour cast the Panasonic is much cleaner

[@keysignphenomenon]

great video😀

[@gbwalther3198]

Where in the heck are you guys? Horrible background? Are you in Detroit? Nice cameras & nice lenses, but the worst place ever to shoot footage. Get an air ticket to Alaska. You will cheer up the moment you got off the plane, away from that horrible backiground someone forced you into--modern day Gulag! 😎😎

[@xxl0o]

F11? Bye-bye guys)

[@biagiosantogagliano3088]

Panasonic tutta la vita

[@martagalanoficial]

I went for the Sigma 28-70 a couple of months ago and can’t be happier with the optical quality with my s5 But now what Im missing is having the s5 II for a reliable AF 😂 (no good at all with s5 I)