Buying a Small Fishing Boat? : Is it a Dream? : Let's Talk Money : Orkney Coastliner 14 : Part 2

[@jamesatkinsfishing]

The only thing is about this new video Phil is you can't here it, i use a sound bar and bass box on my computer at volume 10, to here you on your new video i had to turn it up to at least 24, a lot to think about in buying a boat, Thank you

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi, that's weird because it sounds okay on my devices playing it in KZbin. Thanks for the heads up, I'll see if there is anything I can do. Phil

[@jamesatkinsfishing]

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[@PhilipSnowdon-m9l]

Great Video Phil, been through pretty much the exact scenario you describe. Watching the Grandkids pulling in a string of mackerel makes it all worthwhile!! Happy days!

[@anotherangleUK]

Thanks, I describe my trailer as a 'trigger's brush'. Most of the parts have been replaced. The journey has been fun and satisfying in equal measures. I'm really pleased with the outcome. Good to hear the Grandkids are the anglers of the future, mackerel are a great way to get them engaged in the sport. Phil.

[@tamlyon4435]

Spot on Phil …I’ve been doing up and fishing from boats for most of my adult life …I love your set up , it’s exactly what I’m in the process of putting together . I’ve got the trailer, the engines , electronics , chandlery, electrics etc ….now I just need the boat ! 😁… wish me luck , as finding a good boat on its own is proving a tad difficult …but with the Autumn approaching I’m “nearly” confident of finding the unicorn 😁👍 tight lines.

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi, hopefully the right boat for comes up for sale. It took a few years of keeping my eye out before I found Reel Time. It's all part of the fun looking and the longer it takes the more likely you'll find exactly the right one. Good luck finding the Dream Boat. Phil.

[@bailienicoljarvie2878]

Good advice there Phil. Been there and done that many moons ago. Don't have my longliner 16 anymore, but remember well that buying a second hand boat will always be a development project, and the outgoings on maintenance and mooring/launching will continue even after you get it as you want it. Boats ain't cheap, and if they are they can be money pits.

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi, thanks for the comment. I thought it would ring true with a few folks and give 'potential' owners a heads up. I like the Longliners but wanted a little more speed. Happy with what I have as you can tell. PS How was the audio volume for you?

[@timbennett00]

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[@woden20]

No such thing as a cheap boat, i've had my boat for 21 years but the money i've spent is repayed in enjoyment, I love my boat. It is nothing like a car, it drinks 2 and 1/2 MPG but we only go out to sea 4 or 5 miles and fish (stationary) once a fortnight so a different king of affordable. Great video's.

[@anotherangleUK]

Thanks for watching and commenting on the videos. In the past I had a 22 footer which I kept on a pontoon berth in a marina. That was boating on a much bigger budget. For now the little trailerable Orkney works for me. Like you say, whatever you have you're rewarded in enjoyment. Thanks again.

[@soultrader57fishingandmusi25]

Very concise and honest account the pros and cons of boat ownership. As a committed land-lubber, my unfulfilled dreams stop short of kayak ownership 😂 Houses, cars, boats, all money pits! You really need to be prepared for the toil and outlay. My maintenance costs stretch to bicycle tyre repair kits for my waders 😂 Have a great year! 👍

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi there, totally agree with where you're coming from. Having lived in both Yorkshire and Scotland I've been well trained to think very very hard before buying anything. I've lost count of the number of patches I stuck on a bike inner tube before the valve eventually failed 😂 Tight line for 2024 - look forward to seeing more of your content. PS give me a shout @ [e-mail]

[@soultrader57fishingandmusi25]

Will do so ,man. Just busy atm with forthcoming vid!!😊​@anotherangleUK

[@anotherangleUK]

No rush mate 😊

[@vanscran1672]

A super video old chap, I have a rule when buying a boat, buy one without an engine so you can put a new one in, or buy a boat with a new engine, this is mainly for boats with outboards. Your scenario is something I've seen so many times. 😀👍👍👍

[@anotherangleUK]

Thank for watching and commenting. Interesting point about buying without the outboard. Maybe I just didn’t have the ‘knack’ to get the old two stroke to fire first pull every time. Whatever, I’m fortunate to have the new Tohatsu with the electric start. 👍

[@paulargent6937]

Great Video, thank you for posting, I have done exactly what you talked about, pick my Coastliner 14 in a few days time.

[@anotherangleUK]

Good luck! Great boats (not biased at all 👍) Give me a shout if you have any questions. I'm currently working on a video about the 12 volt system that I have installed. Keep an eye out for that video coming soon. What outboard has you got? Phil.

[@paulargent6937]

Currently a 2 stroke Tohatsu 2006 that I am looking to change to 4 Stroke, Electric Start, Power Lift 20HP Mercury 2024, I will check out all your videos and looking forward to your new one on the 12v Electrical

[@anotherangleUK]

I decided on the Tohatsu as it was the lightest 20 hp 4 stroke. I didn't bother with power tilt which saved a little on the weight (and cost). I shouldn't think you'd have an problem with a Mercury.

[@Hutch118000]

Brilliant wee video. Well done. 👏

[@anotherangleUK]

Thank you. Like all hobbies and interests you have to consider what you're happy (able) to afford. I hope this little video helps folks when considering what to buy. The Coastliner isn't for everyone but as you'll see from the rest of the channel it is a very capable boat and I'm very happy with mine. I'm not thinking about upgrading anytime soon.

[@mokee03]

Hi Phil, thanks for sharing your experiences. Can I ask, what are the dimensions of your boat and trailer. I'm asking because I want to see if a similar package will fit in the front yard. Thanks in advance.

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi, thanks for the comments. I will take some measurements when I can and post in this reply. My new trailer is longer than the original so it's worth updating details here. Because I fitted the navigation light on the cuddy roof I have to lower the jockey wheel to it's lowest position to pass under the up and over garage door. That may not be an issue for you but helps if height is limited. I'll get back next week with the measurements.

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi @mokee03 Apologies it has taken a while to remember to make some measurements of the boat on my new trailer. The length 5.8 metres (from outboard to tow hitch) Width 1.7 metres Height 1.8 metres to top of cuddy roof but I also have navigation lights and VHF aerial up there which adds another 20cm. The boat specifications are on the Orkney site - the Coastliners / 440's haven't changed much over the years. Obviously measure any potential purchase before you buy - different trailers 8 inch or 10 inch wheel etc make a difference. Hope this helps.

[@mokee03]

@anotherangleUK Thanks Phil, I appreciate that.

[@anotherangleUK]

No problem, do let me know if you have any further questions and I will try to help in a more timely way next time. Phil

[@oldbones4941]

Good advise, I don't have a boat and probably wont ever get round to having one. But you never know, sometimes boats come up for sale round your/our area. Love that very interesting collection of books you have., will you ever do reviews on them ? Great explanation on boat ownership, well thought out and great food for thought.

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi Oldbones. Thanks for your comments. Our area is not best for launch and recovery so a little boat on a trailer opens up options for the West Coast and beyond. My books - I do love a good read especially if it's about fishing. I get most books secondhand if possible. Hard to recommend / review as everyone has different tastes. In my view if you want a good read try to get a copy of 'Beneath the Black Water' by Jon Berry. That guy was obsessed with catching Ferox Trout. Phil.

[@paulwebster7293]

Just got one .....Happy days to come .

[@anotherangleUK]

Enjoy it. Great boats and easy to tow, launch and recover. What outboard has she got?

[@paulwebster7293]

@@anotherangleUK 20 honda bf 4/stroke and a little 3.3 or something 2/stroke

[@anotherangleUK]

Good set up 👍

[@seaglassfishing]

The volume was low on my TV through amazon fire stick (old TV). Couldn't agree more on the costings, take your budget and add 30% percent or the same your way around. Keep the videos coming.

[@anotherangleUK]

Thanks for the feedback. It was the first time I'd used an external microphone that I'd been given. I may need to boost the volume when I'm editing.

[@PiscatorUK-Fishing]

Great advice mate👌

[@anotherangleUK]

Thanks 👍

[@darrylmcleman6456]

My neighbour gave me an 18 ft boat after I retired and I spent 18 months renewing the stringers,the floor and the transom.I fitted the trailer with new wheels and axel ! ALL part of the fun! P.S. Grandma and grampa on fathers side came to Canada from Scotland 1n 1905 ish.CHEERS from HERE!

[@anotherangleUK]

Thanks for watching and commenting all the way over in Canada. Sounds like you had to work hard on your free boat but I'm sure it'll be worth it. Do you plan to fish from your boat?

[@darrylmcleman6456]

Have done lots of fishing with it as it has been up and running for 2 years now.Fishing salmon and Dungeoness crab..off S.W.Vancouver IslandCHEERS from HERE!@@anotherangleUK

[@anotherangleUK]

Sounds great, stay safe out on the water, tight lines from me and a tail wag from Dee.

[@peterevans8194]

Very interesting couple of videos on the subject and I am glad you are living your dream! Like many, I had a similar dream, with about a similar budget to yours...Mine went dreadfully wrong though as I took my other half with me to go have a browse around a couple of boatyards, and somehow we end up buying a caravan! 🙄

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi Peter, Thanks for watching. Keep the dream alive, maybe a SIB that you can take away in the caravan? Tight lines Phil.

[@peterevans8194]

@@anotherangleUK Hi Phil, Yeah a SIB did cross my mind and it's something I am looking into...With regards small day boats like your Orkney, is there anyway to fit a single ring gas burner in the cubby? Or is it too much of a fire risk? Just thinking it would be nice to have a brew or a fry up when the fishings slow! Regards, Peter

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi Peter, there are plenty of folk who do use a small portable stove on their small fishing boats. Dinghy Cruising Association folks us a galley box to secure the stove and these are usually a DIY project. Triangia stoves seem to be popular. Search 'Galley Box' there are a number of videos on KZbin. Phil

[@ruthbees7214]

Great vid volumes ok quite good😁

[@anotherangleUK]

Thanks 😁. Every harbour seems to have at least one Orkney, there's a reason why 😎

[@chiefjoseph8154]

Where can I get one in the States?

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi, thanks for watching and commenting. I guess you'd have to import one from the UK which would make it expensive. You could contact Orkney Boats here in the UK and see if it's something they could arrange.

[@anotherangleUK]

@jamesatkinsfishing has mentioned the audio volume is low - can folks hear this video okay?

[@timothybarrow2379]

Yes Audio is perfect. I have done the same with my boat, got a lovely predator 165 but am replacing the outboard and trailer. Much better this way than new boat prices. I find boat Launching in cruden bay Aberdeenshire good slipway.

[@anotherangleUK]

Nice boat the Predator 165. I must try a launch at Port Eroll. Have to catch the tide right on that slipway. What's the fishing like out in the bay or up the coast by Slains?

[@timothybarrow2379]

@anotherangleUK lots of mackerel and haddock. The high tide there can sometimes be too low too launch boat, so need At least 3.6 to 4.2 metres at high tide, which is normally around 10 times a month

[@anotherangleUK]

Smart I'll give that slip a try. I'd also looked at Portknockie, that looks okay.

[@nicwilkin4743]

In some ways your right and other ways your not. Im a late in life purchaser's of a boat, my first was on eBay it was up at a the Calder reservoir just north oof Hadrians Wall. I live between York and Lancashire . Used to travel up to it from York. Five hours each way for a day up there was only just doable. I bought it blind unseen in person i new the boat would float due to the fact there was around 400 gallons of water in the boat and it wasn't leaking out. The first trip was draining water out and then removing everything from the boat and covering it with two tarpaulins that came with it , in such away it could dry out. After a few trips we as a couple enjoyed the time together, and Calder is a lovely area, we joined the sailing club and had the use of all the facilities on offer. The boat cost around £300. I think money well spent to find out what and which direction we need to be going in. A gave the boat away to the club and the money they made on selling the boat would go to things for the club. I then Purchased A Parker 21on its own trailer a few miner knocks , the boat yard at Selby had been paid up for the year, so we kept it there untill we found some were to moor it. Were lucky we have a permanent mooring in Whitby. I did buy it to sailbut to be honest i think i had left it to late in life to go sailing again, but saying that we now have our Two bed acomidation in the center of Whitby that cost us les than to hire a caravan or a flat for a week 365 days a year. I feel buying the bargain is a positive way forward because it shows you what you do and don't want out of a boat with out spending to much to find out, I have a mooring in York were i keep my trailer for the Parker, it cost me £600 a year and now im looking for a small boat i can row i think the Orkney 14 is probably going to be perfect for me. Trial an error helps you to learn a lot about what you dream and reality are or what your capable of doing. Nic

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi Nic, most interesting to hear your experiences of boat ownership and thanks for sharing them here on the channel. You make very good points particularly about a boat providing 'accommodation' in interesting areas of the country. That accommodation can also easily be moved around from harbour to harbour - unlike bricks a mortar. The Coastliner comes with rowlocks fitted and the cuddy can be removed. My cuddy is fixed with screws but I've seen some fitted with quick release latches. Another Orkney model that could be worth a look would be the Spinner 13 foot. They weigh 114 kg as opposed to the 225kg which mine weighs with the cuddy. Just a thought. Phil.

[@jhonandsuepile770]

Nice video Phil are you a mechanic in some way,how did you know that the coil was cracked or could you see it I would have no idea where to look.

[@anotherangleUK]

Hi, I’m not a mechanic but I do most of my own mechanical fixing. I found the issue by trial and error. First I put new spark plugs in, no change, next removed each coil and thought I could see a crack. Used a magnifying glass and could see a hairline crack in bottom of coil. Ordered a new one and problem solved. Guys in parts shop said the coil serial number was original part.

[@jhonandsuepile770]

@@anotherangleUK thank you Phil

[@adventureguysimonuk9562]

Cool vid i had a 13ft challanger 4 man fishing boat had it for 10 years boat was about 25/30 years old vids on my channle boat hull cracked n was unrepairabell due to storm damage at sea so had to scrap it i spent £2000 on the boat i had boat gear n 5hp outdoards so saved my self about £3000 on boat gear had good time boating on river clyde n fishing small boat do cost a fair bit to run every year about £1500 i spent a year but it was great just to get out on the water for a day or weeked fishing trip boat safe all ok 😃🚣👍

[@anotherangleUK]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Nice to hear about your boat / fishing adventures. Where about in the Clyde did you launch and retrieve? I'm a bit limited with just two wheel drive towing vehicle and need a reasonable slipway.

[@adventureguysimonuk9562]

@@anotherangleUK i have a deal with yoker ferry owner to use n keep my boat n my freinds boat at yoker ferry ramp for free if we keep ferry dock ramp clean n clear of river clyde tide debrea pics on my channle wall n vids of boating on clyde at yoker n clydebank boat dock ramps ok all are welcome to meat up for boat fishing with me ok just let me know ok 🚣😃👍

[@anotherangleUK]

Thanks, I'll head over to your channel and take a look. Give you a shout next year when the weather permits some small boat fishing. Phil

[@adventureguysimonuk9562]

@@anotherangleUK ok cool i go boat fishing trips all year round n do paragliding in the summer 🚣😃👍