BUYING AN AUDI S6/S7 4.0T? WATCH THIS FIRST!

[@PXFilms124]

Being an audi tech, I agree with everything he said.. IMO the turbo screens, pcv and air shocks aren’t hard at all. A little time consuming but can be done at home with the right tools

[@tylerc161]

What would you say prices should look like (individually) for each of those if done at a dealer and/or audi certified place? Thank you for any estimates.

[@PXFilms124]

@@tylerc161 quite a lot honestly most shops charge at least $150/hr my shop is $180/hr for labor and pcv / oil screen outside of the recall or warranty would easily be 9-12 hours labor depending on the tech and advisor that writes it up.. parts cost for both the oil screens and pcv are fairly cheap.. you can have both out the door for under $400 total air springs however are expensive no matter how you look at it.. especially the labor to replace the front looking at 5 hours each corner at least fir the front.. about 2.5 a corner for the rrar

[@tubbycustard8866]

@@PXFilms124 you say that as an audi tech with a very well equipped shop and mechanics lift, sure it CAN be done at home but it will take twice as long and twice as hard. I've had such simple repairs go bad so fast because some bolt stripped out while I was laying down twisting my body to get the right angle lol

[@poppaschlong2000]

Ah the 2013 S6. I had one and glad I bought audi aftercare extended warranty. I had the top model with Lsd, led, heated cooled massage seats, 360 cam, and it was fun for a few years. After 5 years of ownership, it needed $30k of warranty work. Yes in one year. Top end rebuild and so many electric gremlins. Have to admit it had the best adaptive cruise I've ever used up until recent days. My older V10 S8 was way more reliable. Only brakes and oil changes

[@kennelm]

Everyone should be aware that the turbo oil screen issue was addressed by a recall and extended warranty from Audi

[@ModerateSRT8]

Does that mean if we buy one & the recall is still active, we can take it to an Audi dealer & they’ll replace them or what

[@kennelm]

@@ModerateSRT8 I believe that the recall will convey to a new owner as any other recall would. You should call Audi and ask, tho.

[@ModerateSRT8]

@@kennelm do you think it’s wise to let the turbos blow under warranty & then proceed to do the oil relocation kit? Would that be wise? It’s a well taken care of 90k s6 but I feel like they’re bound to blow at some time should let the warranty take care of that right? Don’t think it will cause any other issues?

[@datsuntoyy]

They finally did a recall for the turbo screens, mine is in having them replaced now. "13 with 124k miles. My breather went at 48k, waranty job. Motor mounts at 80K, Air shocks at 120k, high pressure fuel pumps at 100k, full front end bushings/arms at 80k and ACC window center camera at 124k.

[@savagepandaprojects]

Great to hear! Glad it worked out man

[@matthewh8573]

Ouch. I still have my original air shocks at 152k. Feelin like I’m on borrowed time.

[@datsuntoyy]

@@matthewh8573 Lucky you. Honestly, it's time for it to go. Absolutely love the car but in the last 2 years I've spent $25k on it (not regretting this at all). As much as I love the car and there's NOTHING that compares to it, it's time to trade it in. I'm getting a very slight chatter going into first when cold, possibly early sign of transmission failure. I've used launch control 9 times. I wish you luck.

[@stephenhunt6673]

Most informative, thank you. 😊 Yep, the engine mounts aren't cheap. Had to do mine at 85,000km. MMI went as well. Cost $5K, but luckily was covered under warranty. Apart from that, she's been great!

[@savagepandaprojects]

Your welcome glad the Info was useful! Very fun cars indeed

[@Htxracing97]

5k!!!?? Zoo wee mama!! geewhilikers that’s expensive!

[@BSnydr]

Thanks for sharing

[@NicosDaddy420]

Hey brother appreciate the loads of content, BTW, I'm a New Subscriber! I just came across a 2017 Audi S6 that was built for SEMA! All included is: Allroad Outfitters built this S6 for the 2017 SEMA Show as a Toyo Tire car. This Audi has an astounding 650 crank horsepower and 700 Torque. This S6 has loads of modifications including a Custom Audi DTM Widebody Kit built by Allroad Outfitters, custom Front Lip, Fender Flares, Diffuser, Rear Wing, Side Skirt Extensions, H&R Lowering Module, APR Stage 2 Software and APR Catless Downpipes, Advan GT Semi-Gloss Black 20×12, Toyo Tires R888R 315/30/20, Upgraded RS7 Waffle Front and Rear Brakes Rotors and Pads, Custom Stainless Borla Exhaust with QTP electronic valves and Carbon 4 inch Quad Exhaust Tips, APR TCU tune, Silly rabbit intake, APR carbon fiber Wing, Carbon Fiber Side Mirror caps. Should I pull the trigger, or hold back for something else?

[@savagepandaprojects]

Thanks for checking out the channel! sounds like a sweet custom build. What's the price looking like?

[@NicosDaddy420]

@@savagepandaprojects It's roughly $65,550, and has less than 8,000 miles on it!

[@savagepandaprojects]

Man that is a lot! For that much I would have to buy an RS7!

[@JTBags420]

I got a recall notice on my 2017 a8 4.0tt turbo screens. Other people should have too. Pay to have them Replace the pcv valve in that process. I didnt do that and 5k miles after recall job, my pcv valve needs replacement and its a $2k job

[@savagepandaprojects]

Definitely go for a "one and done" super common issues all 4.0Ts will encounter sooner or later.

[@ypakabeckham]

Today Audi released Warranty Policies and Service Bulletin announcing that new vehicle limited warranty will be extended to cover repair or replacement of a faulty turbo during a period of 10 years or 120,000 miles, whichever occurs first on 4.0t engines, vin specific. Not sure how this will play out with TD1 engines.

[@truejayoh]

I helped file recall form to nhtsa along with hundreds of other s6 owners at audiworld forum. This finally paid out! My turbos failed twice and it's starting to fail again (intermittent check engine light)! Less than 50k miles on my car. It's ridiculous.

[@DeadWolf47x]

What years does this cover, because when I called Audi over concerns for my turbos ( Wondering if the recalls affected me) they said I should be fine.

[@ypakabeckham]

@@DeadWolf47x As far as I know it's based on a VIN. Not sure how they decide which 4.0t VIN is affected. Another thing, there is a federal recall on oil screens as well. As far as I know it's affecting all 4.0t and notices will be sent out later in May.

[@edwardrosa8615]

With fun comes a lot of out of pocket expenses, I wouldn’t tune a daily driver ‘cause it would blow up at some point, I think gonna stick to my 2014 3.0 T , was thinking of buying a 2018 S6 but they all have issues that are a big headache and very expensive to fix. Have fun out there guys ! 😀

[@mikeylopez9625]

Why not state the real reason you didn't get the 2018 4.0T....cuz you can't afford that kind of power

[@RichardThev1]

if you're not planning to push high horsepower on these 4.0 engines, are the turbos still something you should budget for absolutely? I'm not planning on something crazy high hp but if it's still absolutely necessary, then heck I might just go for it LOL

[@savagepandaprojects]

For the S6/S7/A8 with the factory smaller turbos, if your going to alleviate the oil screen issues you should go ahead and upgrade while your in there. Doing turbos separately wouldn't really make sense from a labor standpoint lol

[@Daniel_P5585]

Picking up my 2016 S6 tomorrow! So excited!

[@savagepandaprojects]

Awesome man! Have fun with it

[@syonide6253]

how has it been bro

[@craiglou0528]

Appreciate it , looking to get a 2018 Prestige.

[@Albee166]

Diggin the Bob Ross T 👕, fresh 💯

[@savagepandaprojects]

THANKS MAN! I always enjoyed watching him paint. Very relaxing lol I he taught us so much about life beyond painting.

[@scottlee1909]

wow good video! really appreciate pointing out all the details to look out for. However including prices would have been great...

[@savagepandaprojects]

thanks for watching! glad you found the info helpful!

[@psagan27]

Thank you for addressing all of the common problems this is going to help a lot. Im purchasing a C7.5 S6 next weekend with extremely low mileage only 4,125 miles on the odometer , should i at least do the turbo feed lines or i have nothing to worry about yet ? Thanks!

[@savagepandaprojects]

Glad to help, wow very low miles indeed. At that mileage pretty unlikely to have issues. Preventative maintenance wise yes would be ideal to eliminate the oil screen long term.

[@psagan27]

@@savagepandaprojects thank you ! Yes mileage is really low thats why im not that concerned how many miles do you have on your stage 3 build ?

[@truejayoh]

All c7 Audi turbos now provide free extended 10 year / 100k mile warrenty!

[@adeoluwafemi]

@@truejayoh where can i get details about this?

[@oemmanuelli1497]

You mentioned an oil screen relocation kit. Not sure which is the link

[@savagepandaprojects]

Jh motorsports is the brand

[@Ryndel]

Really helping me decide s6 VS s4. Thanks man. Did you drive an s4/s5 at all? If so how did they compare torque wise? S6 has more weight but s4 has that instant boost. 🤔

[@savagepandaprojects]

Glad the videos are helpful man! I know the 3.0T from thr B8/B8.5 is pretty popular. We've done plenty of them over the years at the shop. Good platform overall. Yes the supercharger is quick and responsive but it greatly lacks torque compared to the turbo cars. Max effort on 93 with dual pulley, ultracharger your probably still not at 400whp. The 4.0T on the other hand yes bigger heavier car but the top end power and torque is ferocious lol 😆 S6 also more luxurious too. But as mentioned in the video you need to have a substantial budget to replace turbos right from the beginning which as you saw in the cost breakdown is very expensive to do the full build. Lol

[@chastermtnskiiergames1723]

@@savagepandaprojects Audi actually just extended their warranty on February 22nd for the turbos specifically. The warranty now goes to 120k miles, if anyone has had their stock turbos replaced by Audi due to failure you can contact their customer support and potentially get reimbursed. (Not sure if they cover the oil screen replacement with that since that's the main reason why most 4.0t S line cars blow their turbos) I've also seen that if your turbos were replaced by a third party with aftermarket turbos during Covid that you have a chance to get reimbursed for that as well due to parts shortages during covid. I'm actually reaching out to Audi to discuss reimbursement on my Audi S6 turbos as I had the common oil screen clog which blew my turbos after 2 months of ownership. My fault for not checking the service history on the oil screen and not physically feeling the turbos for play. No warranty from the dealership either since I didn't buy it from Audi :(

[@mikeylopez9625]

S4 is not faster then my A8 4.0T ... So that should tell u enough

[@mikeylopez9625]

​@@savagepandaprojectsI shitted 9 grand for my rs7 turbos on my Audi

[@barryrammer7906]

Excellent report I have a 2017 S7 45k miles. Do the dealers have to change the turbo oil screens on a Recall? Thank you if you answer

[@savagepandaprojects]

Thank you. Most likely, if the recall wasn't done before your ownership of the car, you will probably get some letter in the mail about the oil strainer recall. Have heard many talk about PCV recall as well. Hope that helps

[@barryrammer7906]

@Savage Panda Projects thank you awesome

[@efghabcd3216]

hi, are these things also true for the RS6, RS7 motors too?

[@savagepandaprojects]

Yes that is correct!

[@Lovecars1218]

Jfyi: Audi did a recall of over 70k Cars with the 4.0T engine to solve the oil screen Problem just a few days ago.

[@michaelasamoah6929]

Thanks for the insight man I'm currently looking to buy an a8 4.0T with 60k miles at what point should i be prepared to replace or get rid of the oil screen and the oil lines?

[@savagepandaprojects]

Glad to help! The sooner the better. I always say expect to replace turbos and pcv with these cars along with the oil screen TSB

[@austii0217]

For the S7 turbo issues is it a one time replacement or how often could the failure occur? Let’s say I buy a used 18’ S7 around 30-40k miles and I upgrade the turbos to the RS7 ones would that be fine to run for another 40-50k miles or is that unrealistic? As far as the oil screen what happens if you remove it entirely or do the relocation kit?

[@savagepandaprojects]

If its a low mileage 2018 the stock turbos could be ok. We had a 2017 S7 the other day came in for oil feed lines his turbos were ok at about 30K. Most cars though on average from what I've seen usually need turbos so we always suggest budgeting for turbos when possible. We prefer the oil relocation kit. Really up to the person.

[@austii0217]

@@savagepandaprojects got it. I’ve been looking around for a used 2016-2018 at around ~50k miles or less. The relocation kit will eliminate the oil screen/turbo oil clogging issue? Sure, that makes sense I’ll def budget and upgrade to those turbos you mentioned to be on the safe side to prevent that failure.

[@savagepandaprojects]

@@austii0217 whew man low mileage S7's gonna be crazy expensive in this market, best of luck! Yes the oil feed line relocation kit eliminated the oil screen altogether. That's the JHM kit. Paired nicely with JHM turbos as well :) If you need help sourcing parts remember you can always go through me. You can always bring us the car if you want the job done right, we have successfully completed dozens of these build on 4.0T cars.

[@austii0217]

@@savagepandaprojects yeah it’s been tough seeing almost upwards of 60k 😭. Sounds good I’ll be sure to send it to you I think that would be the best bet. Hopefully aiming to grab one before the end of this year. I’ll reach out. Thank you for the advice and help!

[@clowdy1206]

I am by no means a mechanic. Im watching videos to learn, but I'm just wondering, the the oil screen under the engine? Lookin for a friend

[@savagepandaprojects]

It deep in the valley between the cylinder heads.

[@hiskyboy8971]

grate vid and ty im looking to buy 1 but at what miles should i look for these problems

[@savagepandaprojects]

Really any of them could have issues at any given time if you can get the oil screen taken care of early maybe under 50k, turbos may be ok. Audi has extended the warranty for PCV and turbos so you do have some form of a safety net

[@wut8580]

Would I still have to replace those parts, even if I’m not trying to build?

[@savagepandaprojects]

Lots of people are having these cars repaired under warranty recall through Audi. The oil screen gets clogged which causes oil starvation resulting in turbo failure so I always tell people know in advance any 4.0T car will likely need turbos with average age/mileage. No you don't have to necessarily do RS7 turbos. But it's a simple cost effective upgrade that really transforms the car!

[@denisgutierrez6529]

Hey bro I’m looking at a 2017 S7 with around 95k miles, I’m interested but a little concerned about the mileage and reliability. What do you recommend I change immediately if I decide to buy it ?

[@savagepandaprojects]

Oil screen, turbos, PCV, check motor mounts, check for any leaks and all fluids etc

[@denisgutierrez6529]

I’m new to this platform, so if one goes with the relocation kit is it necessary to change the oil screen ?

[@colinparks619]

Agreed

[@HollaIfYaHemi392]

Is that a bob ross shirt fucking epic

[@savagepandaprojects]

Lmao yes 🤣

[@conniepierce328]

Great video! Thanks for sharing.

[@savagepandaprojects]

You are welcome!

[@conniepierce328]

@@savagepandaprojects Thanks for the quick response. I'm looking at a 2018 S7 with 14k miles, one owner, clean car fax. It's 65k at an Audi dealer in Southern, Ca.. Not a CPO car which is a little in interesting. With that low of miles should there be any concerns. Thanks so much for your help. Where is your shop located?

[@savagepandaprojects]

@@conniepierce328 that sounds like a very low mileage vehicle that would likely be in great shape. Would always advise a pre purchase inspection to have the vehicle condition thoroughly assessed. Doubt the turbos would be bad with so few Miles. Audi has extended the factory warranty for both the turbos and PCV so not anything that would scare me away from it. Been seeing a lot of folks source these cars from CA which makes sense as the V8TTs are not favorable with that area pushing for more EVs. Good luck with your purchase 👍 thanks for watching

[@conniepierce328]

@@savagepandaprojects Thanks so much!

[@tiltedtoken1450]

I have a 2013 S6 arriving for a test drive in about a week. The turbo screen issues and reliability might turn me away from the car.

[@savagepandaprojects]

It's definitely something to be aware of! This was has been fantastic since the overhaul last summer with the new turbos and everything

[@DomDanCam]

are those issues mentioned common on the 2013?

[@savagepandaprojects]

Yes they are

[@DomDanCam]

@@savagepandaprojects thank you! I'm nervous! haha they have a detailed maintenance history, I just can't tell how much per year (no issues) would come out to be $ wise.

[@sabino_rc]

@@DomDanCamhow has the car been so far? I was going to go look at one tomorrow

[@DomDanCam]

@@sabino_rc she purs! Only issues I’ve had was a wheel sensor connection breaking (2,000$ for a new harness lol but no biggie just for air pressure) and a coolant hose breaking, but that was normal wear and tear. Overall it’s been solid. And I highly recommend strait piping it

[@Peppamomma]

They are called shocks for a reason!💰😧...ok I'll see myself out😅

[@savagepandaprojects]

haha will definitely shock the wallet for sure! :)

[@mikeylopez9625]

I have a 4.0T perfect , no lights, no leaking of any kind and 120K

[@savagepandaprojects]

Glad it's holding up for you

[@mikeylopez9625]

@@savagepandaprojects it's gonna eventually throw a code

[@Jessersadler]

is there not a PCV delete?

[@savagepandaprojects]

There is not

[@Mel1n1]

You really don't have any good guarantees in the states for these cars do you? I'm from Sweden and here we have the privalige to drive the 4,0 platforms dela cremé - RS6, and I have with my insurancecompany guarantee until the car is either 8 years old or right over 90k miles (150 000km) that covers the most problems with the engine since this is a high end performancecar, and not suppose to break after a few miles. Audi is a high end carbrand, and they do state that the cars are good for a long time, and here in Sweden I havn't heard cars under 100 000km that has had failed turbos. We have barely any real big issues, most RS6 for instance go for their yearly service and drive on unless they are tuned, then there are a lot of diffs that fails, turbos etc but that's life when tuning a high performance car even more. There are RS6 C7 for sale that has around 120 000 miles on the clock, and they run just fine :D But maybe S6 is a different setup than a RS6, I don't really know :P

[@JM-wq9st]

that failure is specific for US market, it does not occur in Europe, at least not that much. There might be few differences, especially when the oil plan is different.

[@terpslol]

a buddy of mine is selling his 2013 s6 with 100k miles for 10k

[@terpslol]

should i bite the bullet

[@savagepandaprojects]

Sounds suspiciously cheap... 🤔

[@terpslol]

im not sure if there is anything wrong with it, i mean i do expect to find something or maybe not. i just really dont know. he daily drives it and recently fixed a issue where the car would leak air over time in the rear. he did mention that he is not positive if it will pass smog though.

[@matthewh8573]

Refurbished OEM air shocks are around $400 a piece and is the way to go.