Sonic the Hedgehog vs DBZ

[@BWHERE]

Just to be clear, this is a bit of fun edgy power scaling for people who like that sort of thing, and want to know if Sonic could theoretically fight Naruto or Green Lantern or whatever. I don't think Sonic is actually meant to be this powerful in the canon of the games. If I had to place him in-canon, how strong the writers probably intend him to be, I think he started out in Sonic 1 around Mach 1 and small building level, and is currently somewhere around mach 10 and city block level when he goes all-out. I stand by all the Super Sonic scaling though.

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Ok here's a thing namek frieza is not planet buster he is at bare minimum is a galaxy to low universal lvl. For galaxy lvl feat when namek was getting destroyed frieza added a per cent of his power to boost the destruction of planet and we can see when Goku was explaining his escape from Namek the aftermath of planet namek explosion covered entire galaxy . And in guidebook it's stated a single galaxy is a collection of innumerable amount of nebulae and a nebulae in context have innumerable amount of star's. As for universal statement king Kai stated frieza holds the power Destroy entire universe at this point. And even cell's previous form has statement of Cell's ki reaching entire universe . So yeah kindly research a bit more before making the videos ☺️ plzz. And I can point out still more for db if I includes their guidebook but nah let's leave it. 😅

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Ok just finished your video and no sonic is not clearing DBS in slightest. Cause at current Goku alone falls into hyperversal category. Just try Atari Goku scalling the new one. If you're using andgoing through guidebooks for one side atleast put half of that effort for other party .

[@HopefulBlue]

Sonic is bare minimum light speed starting in Sonic CD because maintaining light speed is required to use enter a time wrap. Mach 10 is slander.

[@MiKu-m5m]

​@@abhijeetgolder7535 Sonic is faster than Goku he outran nullspace a infinite void

[@MiKu-m5m]

​@@abhijeetgolder7535sonic is beyond hyperversal if u watched the whole video

[@GreenEyedPsycho]

Bro that God of Wind theory has got to be the hardest Sonic theory I’ve ever heard

[@Omega-jg4oq]

It's not new.. He was called Kinght of the wind in Sonic and the black knight, But A GOD?

[@sh4d0wfl4re]

@@Omega-jg4oqwhat is a god-slaying knight… but a god in mortal flesh?

[@Omega-jg4oq]

@@sh4d0wfl4re a Hedgehog animal furry flesh, but Yes lol

[@yohhh6715]

Considering Merlina in Black Knight summoned him using a literal demonic chant used to summon another boss in Secret Rings, yeah this seems plausible

[@yohhh6715]

(The boss was Ifrit btw I had forgotten its name)

[@socialaccount0000]

Frieza when he goes to fight Sonic and Undefeatable starts playing 💀💀💀

[@BWHERE]

Frieza starts talking smack about his transformations but gets cut off when the music changes to Break Through It All>>>>>>>>

[@Nullprods]

"I told you... I'm not a monkey!" *Angry Spindash* "I'm a hedgehog."

[@trentduren3554]

Freisa: Ah it appears that the rodent has finally reached his limit. Sonic: LIMIT?! LIMIT?! I GOT YOUR LIMIT RIGHT HERE!!!!!

[@kombokoroma8533]

Frieze start shaking 🫨 😂

[@kombokoroma8533]

Frieze start shaking 🫨 😂

[@NinjaBoy641]

Frieza: *Throws Death Ball* Sonic: *Perfect Parry*

[@Zuko79328]

frieza solos

[@Windy_Artist-Dev]

@@Zuko79328 Nah

[@Xseeus54]

@@Zuko79328 Sonic Defeated Solaris, Who is a Multiversal being that can erase Universes with a thought. And the end, The final boss in frontiers, Says that Solaris is Barely as strong as Him. Ans Sonic defeated him. Sonic solos Frieza in Base.

[@Zuko79328]

@@Xseeus54 With the help of silver and shadow bro while frieza can destroy universes with ease too

[@Xseeus54]

@@Zuko79328 But Super Sonic alone can defeat Solaris.

[@BartolomeoSimpson1991]

You see Freezer You're not dealing with the average hedgehog anymore...

[@BTG25]

That Freezer: .... That's.... that's similar to the ones I've heard but I accept it's a new line.

[@kindasomeviews]

Sonic about to turn Freezer into a popsicle

[@grinjiggy3024]

Vegeta voice: "noooooo..."

[@TemperaryName]

bruh i was playing some dragon ball fighting game (forgot what console it was on but i was using an emulator) and the game was french and friezas name was FUCKING FREEZER

[@NarrowSpark96]

I mean, if you think about it, his brother is Cooler, and his Dad is King Cold?

[@KyonSOSBrigad3]

SONIC BEING THE GOD OF WIND IS RAW AS FUCK NGL

[@TronicSSJ07]

Then you got Shadow: The God of Chaos And Silver: The God of Time

[@outoffr4me]

​@@TronicSSJ07everyone's doing chaos stuff now tho Making Shadow less cool 😭

[@AbnerBarrios1996]

​@@outoffr4me There will always be... Shadow: The Ultimate Life Form

[@ZeroniaNM]

@@outoffr4me Everyone's doing chaos stuff. No one does it like Shadow.

[@Purple_23184]

@@outoffr4metrue lol the ultimate life form just sounds better

[@33pandagamer]

The Chaos Emeralds are ridiculously powerful. The only thing that holds them back is how much of that power the user can tap into.

[@JellpySpark]

Sonic being the God of the Wind is such a cool concept ive never heard before. Fantastic video

[@BWHERE]

Thanks!

[@cjcj4861]

​@@BWHEREeven the the Saiyan Saga or even the Frieza Saga Sonic is not getting past those type of characters so you might as well get that out your head more importantly get out of your ass

[@cjcj4861]

​@@BWHEREyou think Sonny will beat Vegeta you obviously a dumbass did you forget that Vegeta was able to defeat Goku and it took Gohan to put down Vegeta while he's in his great ape form Gohan in that form had to smash Vegeta to the ground Sonic stands no chance in hell against Vegeta

[@cjcj4861]

​@@BWHEREthis is straight up dumb you're pulling everything out of comic books movies Sonic whatever stick to one Sonic he's not Solo in the Dragon Ball verse point blank period No matter what you use he still would make a difference

[@cjcj4861]

​@@BWHEREhe does not matter they are characters in The Dragon Ball Z Majin Buu saga level characters what actually destroy Sonic no contest so this is literally bulshit

[@ethdiac1337]

Frieza when he throws a death ball at sonic and he sees him alive with a ring right next to him

[@garciarodrigueznicolas7295]

Bro be shitting himself

[@ninlaw9810]

real

[@megaplays2748]

Nah Sonic just Perfect Parries it

[@saxa_phone]

"I have a ring, I don't care." -Lythero

[@randominternetman8177]

frieza when he throws a death ball at sonic and he just parries it

[@GFCOLCQuote]

At the end, you forgot that in SA2 literally has him using an attack called "Sonic Wind" He LITERALLY ATTACKS YOU WITH WIND. RAW WIND.

[@SUBARASHI2016]

Throughout all the history, I alone am the God of Wind

[@44SteveYT]

Same with Sonic Heros

[@WyvernLP]

That's not canon though, especially since he's only used it ONCE.

[@JoesAnimations34921]

@@WyvernLPUsing it once does not mean it is not canon. Also in sonic battle he used it too.

[@Blaze_Nights]

​@@WyvernLPhe makes a tornado in heros which is cannon

[@AngelaAnthony-ky2ts]

Sonic: *Beats the End itself and transcends the laws of reality* Mario fans: yah nah Mario sweeps

[@garciarodrigueznicolas7295]

Wtf does Mario even have to match sonic that fatass fans get so mixed up about?

[@Melostone]

Mario survived getting sucked into a black hole in sUpeR MaRio GAlaxY, but yeah sonic would win

[@AngelaAnthony-ky2ts]

@@Melostone Yeah. Especially when you remember Sonic survived the exact same thing.

[@SacredConquest]

Sonic has no answer for dreamy bowser

[@diegoivan1684]

Well, we'll have to wait for an analysis of Mario, although I don't believe that a plumber and a hedgehog can achieve such feats.

[@kanewilson8624]

2:27 keep in mind the only reason the “Surprise punch” could knock Sonic back into base from Super was because Knuckles grew up around the Master Emerald. His knowledge in Chaos Energy would be far superior when compared to Sonic at the time.

[@tomhossain2099]

Yeah I’m pretty sure he used the master emerald to turn off super sonics invulnerability

[@nishnishbishb8918]

It’s apart of his power. He has the ability to restore a broken master emerald because of his connection to chaos energy which also means he can do the reverse and knock anyone out of it because of his connection to it and not because of his strength.

[@KopperNeoman]

Remember that (before Sonic Origins) Knuckles is the only person who isn't a male hedgehog or female cat to exhibit a Super form with the power of the Chaos Emeralds alone.

[@jasonbell8515]

@@KopperNeoman Tails exists.

[@Kelps.mp4]

@@jasonbell8515 He could only turn Super with the Super Emeralds.

[@ZaneLPs]

Frieza: (Pained) Did... did we kill Sonic? Cell: That was Tails...

[@mateonieva8849]

Sonic:xenoverse 2 Goku meme

[@xandercreates6766]

Then tails casually flies back..

[@jellymcjam65]

​@@xandercreates6766accurate

[@jacsonf1341]

​@@xandercreates6766.**Slight bonk**

[@ReelHirooftime]

Lol they're cooked

[@legogonkdroid3630]

Any dragon ball villain when crush 40 starts playing:

[@randominternetman8177]

if crush 40 plays and you’re a hero? start celebrating. if crush 40 plays and you’re a villain? start praying

[@kiyomi5583]

Frieza tries to destroy the Earth and His World starts playing. We know that boy Frieza is done lol Love ur comments about crush 40 ❤️

[@csg1lcolonel528]

They might learn, but they're not gonna live after this one

[@laerbear6760]

But what will Sonic do when Disturbed starts playing?

[@natedeanmaan2]

Open Your Heart playing loudly in the background

[@2kSlumPTZ]

And bro didnt even TOUCH on hyper sonic Imagine

[@pastyIe]

FR i hate how much Sega is trying to erase Hyper or step away from it because of “too many forms”

[@2kSlumPTZ]

@@pastyIe I wholeheartedly blame Takashi Iizuka for not bringing him back into the series when he was pitched by Ian Flynn Hes scared of "Too many forms" but (frontiers spoilers) adds corrupted cyber sonic at the end??? not to mention super sonic 2

[@pastyIe]

@@2kSlumPTZ We coulda had Hyper vs The End instead of just Super with Blue Eyes… wish it happened like Ian intended

[@Bearman851]

Hyper Sonic would legit cause DBS to have a stroke.

[@luissaumeth8000]

@@pastyIe yet they come and create super sonic 2

[@EssentiallyEden]

I’m not gonna pretend to understand how on earth power scaling works but the fact that you referenced *Sonic CHRONICLES* is worthy of a sub alone. The dedication to such in depth research for a silly fun idea is incredible. 11/10 keep up the good work man

[@BWHERE]

I'll take it haha thanks

[@richardmorgan3665]

The reason why I think Sonic is so strong is because according his creators, he is considered to be fairy, he shows up to help those in need and leave, he doesn't have a home, he doesn't have a back story, he is a static character, and most of motivations are either to just help his friends or those in need or to defend life and freedom. Sonic is the embodiment of chaos which is essentially life since The End is the embodiment of order which seems to be death. If Sonic is a God then I think it'd be more accurate to consider him the God of life and freedom over the God of the wind but he could also be both since the wind can also represent freedom, I feel like this could be the case with Super Sonic and his other transformations, but for base I'd say he's an avatar of chaos. Sonic is like a universal constant because as long as the chaos of life exists Sonic be there to save it and preserve it's freedom to choose how to how live from anyone be they a mortal or a God above other Gods.

[@gameingtothemax6266]

this is my headcannon, also that the chaos emeralds (and master emerald(s?)) where once a part of him and that he is the end's counterpart in the same way that chip/light gaia is dark gaia's counterpart

[@Kelps.mp4]

Sonic is only so powerful because he is the embodiment of good within people, so he is basically a walking Genkidama. If good exists, then Sonic is up and running.

[@Solesteam]

My headcanon is Sonic being nothing special, he's just a guy who showed up and ruined Eggman's day, and every subsequent day. He's no deity or cosmic force, he's just Sonic, Sonic The Garden Variety Blue Mach Speed Talking Hedgehog!

[@Kelps.mp4]

@@Solesteam He is essentially the ultimate Mary Sue of his universe. He can do anything anywhere anytime.

[@dontawilliams8433]

@@gameingtothemax6266 peak

[@FengTheSlayer]

Let’s not forget that Sonic intentionally held back his speed so that he doesn’t accidentally destroy everything he runs through

[@BrakSplash]

@@FengTheSlayer that was never stated🤔 Was it in a comic?

[@brochiing4295]

​@@BrakSplashits either some one off statement or implied since he's stated being a huge environmentalist.

[@BrakSplash]

@@brochiing4295 that still doesn't explain if Sonic intentionally holds back his speed. Seems like a fan head canon 🤔

[@cjth3beast265]

​@@brochiing4295Just because he's a huge environmentalist doesn't mean he's holding his speed back at all lmfao

[@44SteveYT]

He's also nerfed in the games.

[@Kiezly]

Depending on how literally you wanna interpret it, sonic is essentially a force of nature, not really a person but a physical manifestation of the will and hopes and dreams of the people of earth. He IS the miracle that people in need, pray for.

[@Popcornisyums]

the fact that BASE GAME SONIC can literally wipe out most of these guys if not all of them is crazy, wait until the next mainline release where he will probably destroy a machine that threatens the entirety of space oh also I think the speed he goes at in the game isn't even his max speed... I think he just dials it back

[@gabrielmachado1247]

Even if Not,He Already has "Surpassing his Super form in Base" as a consistent Powercliffing,hell look at Sonic x Shadow Generations ,where Shadow is Fighting Metal Overlord,Somebody that needed Super Sonic,Super Tails and Super Knuckles to beat before hand And if the Shadow we Fight in Sonic Generations IS THAT Same Shadow,then Goddamn

[@Popcornisyums]

@@gabrielmachado1247 yeah and we already know that sonic beats shadow in generations, so if he can beat shadow then surely he can beat metal overlord in base

[@LordTyph]

@@Popcornisyums I think there's also going to be a bit where Shadow can fight Sonic and win so the two are arguably equally matched, assuming they didn't face chronological clones or whatever.

[@KopperNeoman]

@@LordTyph Also remember that Shadow was the one to win the equivalent fight in SA2, because otherwise Tails' fake emerald would have prevented the Last Story.

[@TheKorenji]

​@@gabrielmachado1247Actually it was S. Tails and S. Knuckles... which granted, you could assume means "super", but from the lack of physical changes, it could also mean "special" or even "shield" as that's how the Chaos Energy manifests. We also got to see how Super Tails and Super Knuckles would look like in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and they don't look this way in the Metal Overlord fight.

[@Solesteam]

Frieza when he hears some random repetitive 16 bit jingle version of the title theme starts playing and rapidly getting louder.:

[@elistewart3435]

Kid Buu when he thought to have beaten Sonic until he hears “Find your Flame” start playing:

[@kaizablue0412]

Sonic:So if I beat your villains I'll get a tons of chili dogs Goku:Yep Sonic: Aight I'll get it done in 5

[@TheTimurdempire]

Bold of you to assume that Goku wouldn't just eat the chili dogs, the moment sonic left.

[@kaizablue0412]

@@TheTimurdempire he'll just have bulma make some for both of them like I don't know 500 hundred each for the two

[@scurreith3667]

Goku: 5 what? Sonic: 4, 3

[@josuelmunendez6687]

DB villains when sonic _-sez-_ says racism is not good and reminds kids to first say NO to planet conquerors, then get out of there and most importantly report it to the nearest Team Dragon member: 😢

[@Dr.Boundless]

Ah, I see what you did there with "sez". You really are a cultured Sonic fan, aren't you?

[@GOAT-ganyu]

Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself

[@Roto3]

​@@GOAT-ganyu *me when I make shit the fuck up:*

[@CORNERSTYLE2.0]

​@@Roto3it's copy and paste from powerscalers or the might of geburah which do better than what this person did

[@GOAT-ganyu]

@@Roto3 boom universe is alternative timeline to game main timeline and Solaris was destroing all timelines and it has string theory (so Solaris is 13d)

[@josuelmunendez6687]

But how will Sonic fare against Mr Satan? Would the Chaos Doritos be enough?

[@BWHERE]

The hero who defeated Perfect Cell? The world martial arts champion??? Sonic doesn’t stand a chance

[@valtaoi9334]

@@BWHEREfr

[@thegoldenapplebryanwu6816]

Archie Super Sonic might give Mr Satan a challenge in his base. But the moment he turns into Super Satan, the hero that defeated Beebus. Not even the 4th Dimension is safe from his strength. (I do not know what the 4th Dimension is.)

[@SuperSonic18969]

Curious George slams🙏🙏🙏

[@Sleepyboi4]

​@@SuperSonic18969 fr

[@StarForce99]

There's also some feats you forgot to mention: >Sonic has access to the Light Speed Attack that also doubles his speed and attack potency too >Sonic being fast enough to time travel in Sonic CD (the signs were confirmed to be game mechanics) >Sonic being able to travel to the Special Stages in Sonic Advance 2 and Sonic Rush (The Special Stages are stated to be another dimension) >Sonic being able to create a tornado in SPACE from SA2 and Sonic Rush >Sonic being able to keep his universe from imploding on itself in Sonic Rush >Sonic defeating the Egg Salamander in Sonic Rush >Sonic ran so much in Secret Rings that he was able to find his way back home (Stated by Shahra) >Sonic defeating the Egg Wizard in Sonic Rush Adventure who was powered by the Jewel Scepter that stored in the "Power of the Stars" (said power is the reason why "parallel universes" can exist like Sonic and Blaze's universes)

[@Vrabsher_-Supreme_Perhinther-]

I can't believe you didn't mention how in Sonic CD Sonic is fast enough to time travel which means he is fast as or faster than light in that game . And Sonic CD in the timeline takes place before Sonic 2 .

[@pyrohat]

That’s if you forget Sonic needed the Past/Future sign post to achieve that

[@IQuasiMari]

@@pyrohatI think that Is just a game feature

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@pyrohat Just a feature to let you know which direction you're heading.

[@etamuami5656]

@@pyrohat If I could get a dollar everytime anyone saying this without knowing what they are talking about, I would be a billionaire

[@Vrabsher_-Supreme_Perhinther-]

@@pyrohat That's a goddamn obvious gameplay mechanic you stupid fuck . Can't belive I still have to educate people on this topic . That comment of yours almost made me break a wall in my house because of how stupid it was .

[@Skibster-w9l]

0:09 One of my favorite ones is how in Sonic 4 ep Metal, we see a damaged metal Sonic fly from little planet to earth in only a few seconds, so the fact that Sonic can keep up with and even outpace Metal Sonic when he isn’t already damaged is pretty cool.

[@BWHERE]

I was going to include this feat but I ran into the issue that we don’t know the approximate size of little planet, which is necessary for calcing it correctly

[@Anto4writting]

​@@BWHERE Little planet is small. Smaller than Earth thats for sure. So likely the same size as likely....îd Say Pluto?

[@Justcallmeaqua420]

It's a lot smaller than that from we can see ik the cutscene. asteroid/meteor size is more accurate ​@@Anto4writting

[@enkayrome]

@@Justcallmeaqua420still probably big enough to host zones and environments, so probably about a half of earths moon

[@Justcallmeaqua420]

@@enkayrome sounds about right

[@Joker_Kirby]

Cell: I beat Sonic Shadow: That was Classic Sonic!

[@kanewilson8624]

Here are some things that I would like to point out about Sonic lore and gameplay since I've been a long time fan: 1.Super Sonic is said to be completely invulnerable to any and all attacks, with large scale final boss attacks only slowing him down. However Super Sonic has a health bar during the Perfect Dark Gaia fight, with Sonic commenting that he can actually FEEL the attacks (meaning either Dark Gaia's Atk power is higher than invulnerability or it negates Super Sonic's defense. 2. During the flash back cutscene on Chaos Island (Sonic Frontiers), Sonic and Tails witnesses the fight between the Ancients and THE END. Tails points out that the heavy artillery that the Ancients are using are equivalent to the Eclipse Cannon, while the beams being fired back by THE END are similar in strength to Perfect Dark Gaia. Tails won’t says these things lightly, he has an extremely high IQ (comparable to Eggman) and has witnessed the power of BOTH first hand (The moon was blown up only using a small portion of its potential power) (Super Sonic fight and Light Gaia vs Perfect Dark Gaia was shaking the planet) 3. As for the Titans, it’s clear that with the power of ONE emerald, they had the potential to battle THE END to a standstill, but lacked the strength to destroy it. Unlike Sonic who couldn’t use his normal Super form to its true potential to properly fight THE END in the original ending of Frontiers, he COULD end it after it had been weakened by Sage using the Supreme. 4. Since both Ian Flynn and Sonic Team/Sega have confirmed that Sonic's history is both consistent and canon across the games (remember point 2?) the only beings that could have built the World temples across Mobius/Earth would have been the Ancients (with help from CHIP/Light Gaia) and since Light Gaia states that he had been fighting Dark Gaia every few million years since the creation of the world, that would mean he had to either use his own power or use it in combination with the Master Emerald to forge his own Gaia colossus every time since the Chaos Emeralds didn’t exist until the Ancients brought them. My point? If the act of AWAKENING an emerald from its drained state can shift the planet back together, then it’s highly likely that it is on the very lowball of what a Chaos Emerald can truely do.

[@matthewcorrie3324]

Huh, you make some very good points

[@KopperNeoman]

Other bosses have harmed Super Sonic as well, usually by making him drop a portion of his rings.

[@Moumentai]

​@@KopperNeoman That's gameplay only, though. Not neccesarily an actuality in the games lore, you catch me?

[@buyingadumbguy462]

where is number 2-

[@senseiwu7814]

yeah go on dig into your game lore. according to your autistic ah minds sonic is the strongest being in all fiction. so im assuming sonic is just casually walking around multiversal level in base right?

[@Blake11-c8x]

Frieza: you rat!!! Sonic: I'm not a rat!! *angry holming attack* I'm a hedgehog.

[@ShawnThe1Guy]

34:47 best sentence I’ve heard ngl

[@syzorst]

It's nice to see Sonic getting the respect he deserves. I remember that in the past, many people was saying Super Sonic couldn't even beat Super Saiyan Goku. The idea of Sonic vs DBZ was looked at as a joke that no one took seriously but now people are starting the realize how powerful Sonic is.

[@Roto3]

He doesn't stand a chance against Super Saiyan Goku.

[@OneBadDragonVT]

@@Roto3 Not true. Just depends on when

[@vlyix]

@@Roto3wrong. Current Video Game Sonic > Mastered SSJ Goku

[@Slabernick]

@@Roto3 cope. dont even get me started on Archie Sonic lol

[@Chawle-ol3fu]

@@Roto3He slams MUI

[@AJaydedArtist]

What in God's name did the Z villains do to you to deserve this absolutely one sided ass whooping?

[@BWHERE]

Space racism, some light genocide. Littering.

[@AJaydedArtist]

@@BWHERE yknow what? Fair point. Fuck these guys 😂

[@endergameing105]

​@@BWHEREgood point

[@firestormxp2391]

Cell was the one littering if I remember right🤔

[@starch_lad]

@@BWHEREUGH… littering, the worst crime of all

[@GothKazu]

Bro, i think you just cracked the code. I've been trying to figure out some Sonic stuff for a few days now, about how Shadow, who is supposedly this ultimate lifeform (who acts as a mini-Chaos Emerald, but thats irrelevant to this) is being matched move for move by this seemingly all natural creature. It makes sense. Sonic is, if not the God of Wind, at the very least the Avatar of it. it connects with his moves, his "growing stronger and faster every second" just like a gust of wind can become a tornado, and even tying back to his hatred of water (wind cant blow underwater). Thank you for this video and making a lot of the seemingly meaningless dots ive had floating around connect. I genuinely cant express how nuts it was driving me.

[@jayymorris5285]

25:21 oh wait we are just NOW going super???

[@garciarodrigueznicolas7295]

Nawwww imagine super sonic 2 or a hypothetical hyper sonic

[@just_an_internet_explorer8038]

@@garciarodrigueznicolas7295Hyper Sonic and Super Sonic 2 (AKA Cyber Sonic) share the same the end feat. Cyber Sonic was originally intended to be Hyper Sonic in frontiers, but it was rejected by sega.

[@S0dapop583]

And hyper is still on standby

[@1989BluePhantom]

😂

[@Thegoofygreen]

If I had to go for who would win... I'd chose Bugs bunny-

[@Skibster-w9l]

6:34 Nearly escaped, he did survive it though, and probably could have escaped if he was able to boost. He’s only gotten faster since.

[@johnathannelson6102]

Didn't the wisp help him to survive that? Either way I think being able to run away from a black hole in the first place especially with how close it gets to him still has to be some kind of feat right?

[@MCJoaoAlmeida]

He didn't get swallowed by it so we can say he escaped he stayed floating in space then the wisps helped him get to earth

[@carso1500]

​@@MCJoaoAlmeidahe wasnt escaping the black hole thou, he was escaping the weird gravitational pulse that was expanding and the black hole all in all is pretty small

[@CORNERSTYLE2.0]

​@@johnathannelson6102they just moved him from there. Wouldn't change him getting damage from it. Yeah given its from void/violet that Can bend time and space to pull thing is enough proof. (You could Also use colours DS where nega Wisp armour use Void Wisp power and sonic use boost to escape it

[@CORNERSTYLE2.0]

​@@carso1500he tried to escape from it just like nega Wisp armour (colours DS version), what makes the difference?. It doesn't matter if it's big or small if it Can bend time and space to support its gravitational pull then it's still a "kind" of black hole (it's from void description which is black hole)

[@Jay_Hendrix]

"So Sonic is the god of the wind" Sonic team: write that down WRITE THAT DOWN

[@greenknight9000]

I'm so glad to finally see someone do Sonic Powerscaling justice. Super Sonic truly is fit for the name "Golden God" I can imagine Goku trying the Chaos Emeralds after Sonic lets Goku a try with them, and going Super Goku, but not the usual Super Goku he's used to, and being utterly starstruck, and possibly even overwhelmed by the Emeralds limitless power.

[@GOAT-ganyu]

He downplaying Sonic bc Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself

[@brandonholder2483]

​@@GOAT-ganyu Power scaling brainrot be like

[@gabeskai]

Man, I would LOVE to see Sonic and Goku hanging out

[@CORNERSTYLE2.0]

​​@@brandonholder2483 don't listen to him. He just copy and paste from someone

[@SuperSonic18969]

@@GOAT-ganyufor the record, he got the string theory part from Eggman “proving” it in Boom, which is a branch of the canon

[@EdgyRoseBoi]

Super Sonic is basically the Ben 10 Alien X of the Sonic Universe

[@garciarodrigueznicolas7295]

Fax

[@Mario-s5z3o]

Facts

[@bryanferratt6598]

Sonic's more bada** and cooler than I thought 😊👍.

[@BoljshoyGenij]

Some a**hole made an animation where alien x wipe out sonic's S. Even in his Super form. And I ngl this was pretty wild.

[@abe2826]

But instead of being a bunch of stars and a muscular physique, he's a 3'3" lightbulb using mystical energy to fight gods, genies, giant robots, and genetically modified lifeforms. That's Super Sonic for yall

[@rattlesnakestudios8885]

1:01 Ive never heard someone pronounce this word so wrong 💀

[@adriellara-cea5086]

I literally had the same thought right as this comment pops up.😂

[@TheIDcard123]

I thought you were gonna bring up at the end about when Sonic was killed by Mephiles and Elise mentioned that she could sense Sonic's presence "in the wind." Sonic might actually be the God of Wind lol

[@lynxzanimated]

So basically depending on how you interpret certain dialogue, Sonic could wipe out DBS or he loses to Kid Buu. I do like the idea that sonic is the God of wind, sounds cool.

[@sonicwithglasses131]

Sonic wipes the verse

[@lynxzanimated]

@@sonicwithglasses131 Yeah chill, I'll debate you that he doesn't.

[@GOAT-ganyu]

​@@lynxzanimated in game Sonic beat Void who destroed Maginaryworld that contains infinite universes/realities with time-space

[@lynxzanimated]

@@GOAT-ganyu Goku in Buu Saga traveled through Hell and heaven which are both infinite in size.

[@GOAT-ganyu]

@@lynxzanimated it's not infinity bc demon realm was stated to be the smallest realm and i'm gonna destroy your ass, Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory from Sonic boom timeline, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself

[@Cashier-os9wb]

ya'll got hyper sonic standing in the corner watching his strength seemingly go higher and higher.

[@FrancisGo.]

Wooh! 😉

[@psychoticace6069]

If the chaos emeralds turn thoughts into power then it would make sense as to how he's so strong in his super form.

[@crimsongogeta6810]

25:10 I swear I heard “Now I’ll show you” right here in my head.

[@matthewcorrie3324]

Same

[@Chckster]

He literally made Namek Frieza slower than Saiyan Saga Vegeta. You CANT make this up 😭😭😭😭

[@Noone-xf9uu]

2:00 theres actually some evidence to support what sonic said is true and this is in the sonic movie When eggman scans sonics quill it said it was unlimited and we also saw the line on the graph constantly go up every second and we see in sonic frontiers that game sonics quills work similarly to movie sonics quills both having an electrically charged form and if you put the cutscene when sonic gets charged in the game next to when he gets charged in the movie they're almost identical.

[@Lanosplaylist]

Seeing someone who actually knows how to scale sonic characters post a video is so refreshing. Also for the black hole feat in sonic colors: Hyper Go-on energy is stated to be the most efficient energy source in the series I’m pretty sure. Greater than the chaos emeralds, I’m not sure but it’s interesting to look into. Sonic being able to harness this energy and fighting another wisp who scales above every wisp - that stopped the black hole.

[@chaosuniverse8005]

I can prove Base Sonic is faster than what you calculated. You just said Sonic gets stronger and faster in every game, right? Advance 3 Super Sonic is slower than Base Frontiers Sonic.

[@LeonardoCoelho-g3h]

I never even thought of the doomsday creatures being actual elemental gods, that's some really cool lore that i am sure.... sega will never see/use sadly...

[@matthewcorrie3324]

Well Chaos and Solaris were both called gods and by extension that would make Iblis and Mephiles gods as well (due to being two halves of a whole), the Gaia twins are self explanatory and the elements just make sense (Chaos=Water, Solaris=Light, Iblis=Fire, Mephiles=Shadow (HA!), Light Gaia=Earth, Dark Gaia=Darkness and The End=Death)

[@retroskeleton891]

Nah Sonic being the God of Wind is an insane and perfect concept! Honestly man this might as well be considered canon.

[@FrancisGo.]

Golden Wind Experience ✨️

[@valtaoi9334]

When you realise that silver would do a better job than trunks in the future

[@Myxer09]

dude you turned into a bestselling author at the end there (istfg if i see one SINGLE comment saying goku solos im flipping my shit)

[@BWHERE]

I'll take it lol

[@souperhappydrinkingcoffee5130]

Goku crippled solos with his hair folecule trust me bro

[@luisfernan-s7731]

Goku solos, gimme a smooch.

[@CiderVG]

I agree all the way up to The End's scaling Iirc Ian Flynn said The End was hyping itself up and that Solaris is still #1 Which makes sense, it might've not even seen Solaris

[@DamashiTheKaotic]

Take Ian's power scaling statements with massive grains of salt as hes been known to downplay the Sonic casts observable feats partially because he hates power scaling and is trolling, and partially because as a writer keeping things like this in mind makes writing conflicts a nightmare. As an example he once tried to write Sonic caps at the speed of sound to which Sega's responses was essentially "lol, lamo". Morio Kishimoto the game's director stated The End is the very concept of Death itself, and the statements made my Sega management take precedent over Ian's own statements.

[@mike16apha16]

holy cow that ending was incredible

[@ZsoltCsere]

you actually managed to send a shiver down my spine with that God of Wind theory and I LOVE IT! This is officially my favorite Sonic theory in the history of forever

[@BlueTakBlur]

people finally giving sonic the respect he deserves

[@HollowThePumpkin]

Real

[@MizotoDGeto]

hyper sonic didn't even need to be there 💀

[@muigogitoultrasonic3947]

Or any subsequent forms beyond Super XD

[@gabrielmachado1247]

​@@muigogitoultrasonic3947i think the only forms in the series that are actually above Super Sonic is.....Super Sonic 2,yeah It took until Frontiers for us to get something else that's above Súper Sonic,and its Super Sonic Powered up by Cyber Energy Lmao

[@eliasflawless1698]

"He only ran through a PORTION of this infinite dimention" Erm,my man,I am sorry to notify you - but your math teacher called.She is enraged. You can not divide infinity into parts.Every part of infinity is infinite.Even thou there is a bigger and a smaller infinity,proven by the mathematicians,even the smallest infinity - would still be Infinite,because this this what infinity means.Not having an end.

[@BWHERE]

There is an infinitely long highway in front of you. You take one step onto it. Did you just move infinite distance? Or did you move a finite amount inside an infinite space?

[@eliasflawless1698]

@@BWHERE true,but it is an unfair comparison,because as YOU say - it is stated that he ran into another dimention FROM an infinite dimention. It is not like stepping on an infinite highway. It is like being dropped in the middle of the infinite highway and running until you go from that infinite highway to a house on the end of this infinite highway.Or something like that,I hate explaining scientific stuff with comparison's)

[@madstachoif5512]

True though Sonic can outrun a single 4th Dimensional parameter (in his Super forms) which is Immeasurable speed

[@HeliPotter2000]

Math does not apply when you are faster than infinite speed.

[@EtheriousHollow]

Best Sonic speed feat is from generations and he ran through time to fix all the worlds, MEANING he ran in a place that had no time and utilizing the basic speed equation he made a broken speed equation henceforth meaning that his speed is IMMESURABLE

[@SuperNinjaChicken64]

24:46 In Sonic CD, it's stated in the manual that Sonic is moving so fast that he's traveling through time, just that the sign posts are a game mechanic.

[@ASNS117Zero]

"Assuming power and speed scale equally" They don't in Dragonball logic. This is specifically and explicitly stated during the Cell arc, based on the dynamics of the different Super Saiyan transformations, and Cell's own attempt at bulking up to counter Gohan. Like, the entire point of the powerlevel system as Toriyama intended it was that it was wrong lol. You really shouldn't try to use it this way.

[@JeiJohnson]

Yeah, there are multiple times that powers go up and speed doesn't match. Ginyu Force is an example, where Burter is considered faster than Ginyu at the same speed as Recoome and Jeice. But Recoome has more raw physical strength than Burter and Jeice while Jeice is mostly all-around in abilities - all with the same power readings. Or Trunks bulking up his power to surpass Cell in raw power but incapable of touching him. So power and speed don't scale equally... Like at all. People don't realize that power readings (when they mattered) were measured by kicking power, punching power, griping power, grappling and throwing strength, stamina, durability, flight speed, punching speed, kicking speed, ki manipulation, ki output, perceptions, etc... As in real life. It's like allocating stat points and each point grants you an improvement of x0.001 which becomes miniscule the more your power levels become. It's why fights like Freeza's Final Form vs. Super Saiyan Goku was basically an even fight for the most part until Freeza ran out of stamina, even though the gap in power was supposed to be astronomical (30,000,000). The power system was kinda faulty, but only made WORSE by Dragon Ball fans who literally don't understand the system itself - making assumptions and using head-canon with no logic backing up any claims they decided to make on it even when in-series canon events would go against certain claims. So you're right.

[@ASNS117Zero]

@@JeiJohnson Do we have an actual breakdown of what went into Powerlevel that's canon? I always thought it was implied that it was just a high-tech way to track the intensity of someone's ki, for aliens that didn't have the skill to do it on their own.

[@Sleepr_draws]

Metal-"stand aside, my loathsome copy" Metal-*gets owned* Metal-"...help"

[@Oreo_166]

5:03 Ngl that’s hella downplay for Raditz, given how he easily scales above the speed of Piccolo’s moon blast that’s been calced at relativisic+…

[@gabrielmachado1247]

Does it matter tho? Even using the Highest Scaling you could Give Raditz he loses to Base Sonic

[@Oreo_166]

@ Regardless of the outcome, the research should be fair on both sides.

[@Extreme_mugs]

Bro said he wasn’t gonna use spinoff games to scale Sonic but then goes on to list rivals, battle, and free riders 💀💀💀

[@KisukePM21]

You, sir, have earned my subscription. That conclusion kind of blew my mind because I’ve never connected those pieces before.

[@BWHERE]

Thank you!

[@metalsonic4.1therobothedge24]

24:48 there is a feat for that, because in Sonic CD Japanese commercial, its stated CLASSIC SONIC is faster than time itself

[@radudumitru3306]

and so, CLASSIC SONIC has immeasurable speed

[@nishnishbishb8918]

Knuckles has some sort of special connection to chaos energy which allows him to restore or destroy anything with chaos energy. You can see in the sonic movie how he restored the broken master emerald to its original state. Knuckles can do the inverse as well and simply break anyone out of the chaos energy. So someone like solaris who has the power to destroy the universe wouldn’t be able to knock sonic out but knuckles could who is weaker.

[@TheDragonfang134]

There's a line of dialogue from Rush between Cream and Blaze where Blaze tries to get a better understanding of who Sonic is. Cream's response was just "He's like the wind."

[@Lynirp]

That isn’t even sonics strongest transformation

[@fangzgaming5510]

You're correct, it's what I call the OG Ultra Instinct; Hyper Sonic. But he can no longer access it, so Super Sonic 2 has to do

[@TranscendantWyvern]

@@fangzgaming5510What do mean he can no longer access hyper? I think you mean SS2 because Master King basically stated that if he went all out, the power would leave Sonic entirely and what did Sonic do? He went all out.

[@Stevenkadap98]

But sega had to erase hyper sonic cause they feared his power

[@flowerfellsans9505]

​@@Stevenkadap98 fun fact... Is stated that if sonic want to get his hyper form back... All he need to do is just travel to different dimensions and obtain those big emerald

[@Lynirp]

@@Stevenkadap98 and there is something called super sonic 2

[@tonyhakston536]

0:18 I mean yeah, he's been implied to be the reincarnation of a literal god since at the LATEST Sonic 3, possibly as early as pre-release material for Sonic 1

[@sh21dow]

Proof?

[@KuperSpyronicStudios]

"Completely outclass Vegeta" Water Vegeta: Did you forget about me!?

[@BWHERE]

Did you know his power level increases by 1

[@KuperSpyronicStudios]

@BWHERE That and Sonic HATES WATER

[@LmaoLevi]

*Frieza laughing after throwing Sonic into a mountain* **IM HANGING UP TO THE OTHER SIDE, I WON'T GIVE UP TILL THE END OF ME...-**

[@type-2kiryu817]

"WOAAAHHH WOAAAH"

[@Trigos211]

*_WELCOME TO THE MIND OF A DIFFERENT KIND_*

[@verucahimself]

23:38 What are you talking about? Sonic has been faster than time since Sonic CD, he literally traveled back in time and forwards in time with his own speed. The signs you run past in the game are just game mechanics to show what's happening on screen.

[@g-strayker8895]

THATS TRUE!

[@NebulaSon]

Yeah, also his explanation for sonic generations "accerating through time" feat didn't make sense

[@Someoneandsomething.]

Did you get that from Game Theory

[@verucahimself]

@Someoneandsomething. no I got it from the official sonic CD guidebook

[@awakenmydarling]

ngl sonic cant travel through time by running

[@azura3261]

God damn what a sick ass way to end the video. What you see is what you get. Just a guy who loves adventure.

[@DipperTheJackalope]

It’s funny how he doesn’t even need to bring up Hyper Sonic. It is a canon form of Sonic that is above Super Sonic. It’s just can’t be currently reached since the Mega Emeralds are in a different dimension but with Sonic being 5+ dimensional beings who to say he can’t get the Mega Emeralds now?

[@Baobao66]

1st it’s called super emeralds 2nd super modern sonic clears hyper classic without a doubt

[@DipperTheJackalope]

@@Baobao66 I know. But it’s still cannon that Hyper Sonic is still a stronger form of Super Sonic. So if Super Sonic is this busted imagine the stuff we would get from Hyper Sonic

[@Baobao66]

@@DipperTheJackalope hyper sonic isn't cannon it got stated that like immediately

[@adonisrobbins_nonis]

Love the video. The little tidbit about Super Sonic getting knocked out by knuckles is a bit off though. It wasn't that Knuckles overpowered Super Sonic, it's that Knuckles has the ability to knock the emeralds out of people. They actually referenced that ability in the movie, Sonic 2, when he punched the master emerald out of Dr Eggman. No other character has been seen doing that before.

[@rusty3818]

The final speech about the god of the wind went so damn hard!

[@BWHERE]

Thank you!

[@spoury]

crazy how we haven't even gotten to hyper sonic (he's canon i don't care what you tell me)

[@piberandomxd5102]

The master emerald was shattered, it is canon, the problem is that sonic can't use it anymore

[@Sarge327]

Ever so slight correction but Shadow never admitted that Sonic is the ULF, he speculated that Sonic could be the ULF but was confirmed to have retracted that thought. Then in the 2005 Shadow game, Sonic does outright say that Shadow is the ULF.

[@AustinAngelus723]

This went from a cool thought what if scenario to one of the best theories I've heard in a while. Great on you man.

[@speedy9458]

the god of wind theory isn't half bad at all. I don't think sonic is meant to be a 'god' exactly but I think with the hidden palace mural and the feats he's accomplished I think its safe to say there's a reason for sonic to be so abnormal. he's like goku and vegeta in the sense that his boundaries are limitless exceeding godhood and laws of the universe but yet being a mere mortal

[@Ultracomics-toocool4u]

I just realized this is GAME sonic going through dragon ball all in his base 90% of the way😭 Bro imagine archie sonic going through dragon ball super... which wouldnt be fair because archie sonic once showed powers like zeno💀

[@that1guy712]

No way people still think Archie Sonic is stronger than game Sonic in big 2024

[@KiremeShadow]

​@that1guy712 ... because he is. Game Sonic is most definitely closing that gap but Archie still holding on to some of the best feats of any Sonic.

[@Xeno_og]

Archie sonic didn’t just show powers like Xeno, he EXCEEDS him. He’s one of the most powerful characters in fiction up there with the flash, Superman, Featherine, Saber all of them.

[@logic-dy1su]

​@@that1guy712Show me video game sonic tanking a hit from a genesis wave and rewriting the universe in just super then😂

[@ayden6986]

​@@logic-dy1suthe final boss from 06 😐

[@Iluminati-zq1zy]

Sonic being the god of the wind hits hard, like damn, I wasn’t expecting that one

[@hitgame9227]

Holy shit the thumbnail goes hard😮.

[@BWHERE]

The artist is Funny Monkey on Twitter! He draws heat every time!! @funnismonkis

[@hitgame9227]

@@BWHERE Thank you

[@SoleilBashale]

My KZbin algorithm snapped with this one 🔥🔥

[@ThunderNateVariations]

DUDE!!!! THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!!!!!! The explanations, the theories... Every bit of research was CRAZY!! The GOD of the Wind is possibly the hardest line I've ever heard to explain Sonic... And yet... it makes sense... The more thought I put into it, I shiver a bit... Thank you.

[@BWHERE]

Thanks for watching!

[@ThunderNateVariations]

@@BWHERE Nah. Thanks for making it!

[@Noone-xf9uu]

Oh this is going to be sick

[@allegiance8243]

I love how he doesn’t even mention Hyper, that would just be overkill

[@BWHERE]

This might be a hot take but I think modern Super Sonic is a lot stronger than classic Hyper Sonic. Classic Super got knocked out by a surprise attack from Knuckles - in the same way that Sonic gets stronger as he ages, I think his ability to use super forms gets better too. But yeah a modern Hyper Sonic would be nutty

[@gabrielmachado1247]

​@@BWHEREconsidering how People argue that Current Base Sonic Slaps Adventure/Heroes Super Sonic,its not a Hot take honestly

[@neelmodi7765]

​​@@BWHEREknuckles is the guardian of the master emerald, that was undoubtedly hax abilities he used

[@cloudirubez07]

@@BWHERE I’ve heard some people say Knuckles’ innate ability to tap into Chaos Emerald energy like Sonic and Shadow was probably the reason he could punch Sonic out of his Super form, either that or through sheer power which is still pretty insane.

[@KopperNeoman]

Going by this video's scaling of the Chaos Emeralds, and considering how much more powerful the Master Emerald is, and exactly WHAT the Super Emeralds are, Hyper Sonic and Hyper Knuckles clap the entire DB cosmology. Probably Super Tails too, come to think.

[@LancelotGraCro]

Love the video, one small thing about The End in frontiers however is that it was stated by the games director on his twitter to "be the very concept of death" and is thus perceived differently for everyone, for example, eggman would see something totally different than sonic who would also see something totally different than us, the reason we see the moon is because in a lot of media the moon is highly representative of the thought of death.. I dunno if that changes the scaling or not but I figured it was something important to note

[@edgeproductions4696]

Sonic is able to follow shadow’s movement in ether stopped time or when he was teleporting. Thus, infinite speed in base.

[@DaichiOkami]

31:03 Bro Not Even Wally West Is touching bro No more 😭😭🙏🙏

[@Skibster-w9l]

I think it depends on the version, he might get stronger though.

[@skippythegamer222]

And don't forget, Supersonic is not his final form. There is 1 more form that people don't talk about because he has only used it, I think twice in the classic genesis games. And that is Hypersonic. I know we barely have any concrete info on Hypersonic but I would love to see a power scaling video comparing Hypersonic.

[@lukasruston8618]

I like how you did this whole video without even mentioning the most insane thing; sure, Super Sonic was able to beat Solaris but The End is confirmed to be stronger... so much stronger in fact that it was implied in both routes in the story that Super Sonic could not beat it by himself... but in the DLC patch for the game (which seems to be the new canon route), Sonic gains an upgrade to his Super form referred to as Super Sonic 2 in the files and when he uses that form at 100% power, he kills The End in a single attack. He goes from not being able to defeat The End to being able to defeat it in a single attack... and sure, it physically hurts Sonic to use that form at full power but using it as a last resort (like he does at the end of Frontiers) would still give him a massive increase in power for virtually no cost.

[@hekmatthehedgehog]

And don't even get me started with hyper sonic...

[@Dominic13337]

Hyper sonic is featless

[@OmegaX5000]

Haven't even started the video yet, but I gotta say: love the thumbnail you used for this! Frieza looks more imposing than he's ever been in DBZ!

[@freakUgiku]

I don't care if it's not canon, i'm staying with the "God of they Wind" Sonic

[@czms922]

That moment when Buu realizes sonic won't die as long as he has 1 ring

[@tylercoon1791]

Buu would just eat Sonic’s rings cause he thinks they’re onion rings

[@Baobao66]

@@tylercoon1791sonic will just 1 tap buu

[@tylercoon1791]

@@Baobao66 Sonic would punch Buu in the face, Buu’s head would fly several miles away, his neck continuously stretching, after which his head would spring back with a cartoonish ‘boi-yoi-yoing!’ sound

[@Baobao66]

@tylercoon1791 ye u do not know the strength of sonic at all if sonic can atomically decompose of buu what will the regeneration do

[@tylercoon1791]

@@Baobao66 regenerate

[@lamparo7028]

I always forget that Sonic spends every other day running around and accidentally fighting a cosmic other wordly godly being

[@SanonixFastTime]

Ah finally someone who TRULY understand how Sonic solos DBZ other then me.