Sonic the Hedgehog vs DBZ

[@BWHERE]

Just to be clear, this is a bit of fun edgy power scaling for people who like that sort of thing, and want to know if Sonic could theoretically fight Naruto or Green Lantern or whatever. I don't think Sonic is actually meant to be this powerful in the canon of the games. If I had to place him in-canon, how strong the writers probably intend him to be, I think he started out in Sonic 1 around Mach 1 and small building level, and is currently somewhere around mach 10 and city block level when he goes all-out. I stand by all the Super Sonic scaling though.

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Ok here's a thing namek frieza is not planet buster he is at bare minimum is a galaxy to low universal lvl. For galaxy lvl feat when namek was getting destroyed frieza added a per cent of his power to boost the destruction of planet and we can see when Goku was explaining his escape from Namek the aftermath of planet namek explosion covered entire galaxy . And in guidebook it's stated a single galaxy is a collection of innumerable amount of nebulae and a nebulae in context have innumerable amount of star's. As for universal statement king Kai stated frieza holds the power Destroy entire universe at this point. And even cell's previous form has statement of Cell's ki reaching entire universe . So yeah kindly research a bit more before making the videos ☺️ plzz. And I can point out still more for db if I includes their guidebook but nah let's leave it. 😅

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Ok just finished your video and no sonic is not clearing DBS in slightest. Cause at current Goku alone falls into hyperversal category. Just try Atari Goku scalling the new one. If you're using andgoing through guidebooks for one side atleast put half of that effort for other party .

[@HopefulBlue]

Sonic is bare minimum light speed starting in Sonic CD because maintaining light speed is required to use enter a time wrap. Mach 10 is slander.

[@MiKu-m5m]

​@@abhijeetgolder7535 Sonic is faster than Goku he outran nullspace a infinite void

[@MiKu-m5m]

​@@abhijeetgolder7535sonic is beyond hyperversal if u watched the whole video

[@KyonSOSBrigad3]

SONIC BEING THE GOD OF WIND IS RAW AS FUCK NGL

[@TronicSSJ07]

Then you got Shadow: The God of Chaos And Silver: The God of Time

[@outoffr4me]

​@@TronicSSJ07everyone's doing chaos stuff now tho Making Shadow less cool 😭

[@AbnerBarrios1996]

​@@outoffr4me There will always be... Shadow: The Ultimate Life Form

[@ZeroniaNM]

@@outoffr4me Everyone's doing chaos stuff. No one does it like Shadow.

[@Purple_23184]

@@outoffr4metrue lol the ultimate life form just sounds better

[@socialaccount0000]

Frieza when he goes to fight Sonic and Undefeatable starts playing 💀💀💀

[@BWHERE]

Frieza starts talking smack about his transformations but gets cut off when the music changes to Break Through It All>>>>>>>>

[@Nullprods]

"I told you... I'm not a monkey!" *Angry Spindash* "I'm a hedgehog."

[@trentduren3554]

Freisa: Ah it appears that the rodent has finally reached his limit. Sonic: LIMIT?! LIMIT?! I GOT YOUR LIMIT RIGHT HERE!!!!!

[@kombokoroma8533]

Frieze start shaking 🫨 😂

[@kombokoroma8533]

Frieze start shaking 🫨 😂

[@josuelmunendez6687]

DB villains when sonic _-sez-_ says racism is not good and reminds kids to first say NO to planet conquerors, then get out of there and most importantly report it to the nearest Team Dragon member: 😢

[@Dr.Boundless]

Ah, I see what you did there with "sez". You really are a cultured Sonic fan, aren't you?

[@GOAT-ganyu]

Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself

[@Roto3]

​@@GOAT-ganyu *me when I make shit the fuck up:*

[@CORNERSTYLE2.0]

​@@Roto3it's copy and paste from powerscalers or the might of geburah which do better than what this person did

[@GOAT-ganyu]

@@Roto3 boom universe is alternative timeline to game main timeline and Solaris was destroing all timelines and it has string theory (so Solaris is 13d)

[@JellpySpark]

Sonic being the God of the Wind is such a cool concept ive never heard before. Fantastic video

[@BWHERE]

Thanks!

[@legogonkdroid3630]

Any dragon ball villain when crush 40 starts playing:

[@AJaydedArtist]

What in God's name did the Z villains do to you to deserve this absolutely one sided ass whooping?

[@BWHERE]

Space racism, some light genocide. Littering.

[@AJaydedArtist]

@@BWHERE yknow what? Fair point. Fuck these guys 😂

[@endergameing105]

​@@BWHEREgood point

[@firestormxp2391]

Cell was the one littering if I remember right🤔

[@starch_lad]

@@BWHEREUGH… littering, the worst crime of all

[@richardmorgan3665]

The reason why I think Sonic is so strong is because according his creators, he is considered to be fairy, he shows up to help those in need and leave, he doesn't have a home, he doesn't have a back story, he is a static character, and most of motivations are either to just help his friends or those in need or to defend life and freedom. Sonic is the embodiment of chaos which is essentially life since The End is the embodiment of order which seems to be death. If Sonic is a God then I think it'd be more accurate to consider him the God of life and freedom over the God of the wind but he could also be both since the wind can also represent freedom, I feel like this could be the case with Super Sonic and his other transformations, but for base I'd say he's an avatar of chaos. Sonic is like a universal constant because as long as the chaos of life exists Sonic be there to save it and preserve it's freedom to choose how to how live from anyone be they a mortal or a God above other Gods.

[@gameingtothemax6266]

this is my headcannon, also that the chaos emeralds (and master emerald(s?)) where once a part of him and that he is the end's counterpart in the same way that chip/light gaia is dark gaia's counterpart

[@Vrabsher_-Supreme_Perhinther-]

I can't believe you didn't mention how in Sonic CD Sonic is fast enough to time travel which means he is fast as or faster than light in that game . And Sonic CD in the timeline takes place before Sonic 2 .

[@pyrohat]

That’s if you forget Sonic needed the Past/Future sign post to achieve that

[@IQuasiMari]

@@pyrohatI think that Is just a game feature

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@pyrohat Just a feature to let you know which direction you're heading.

[@etamuami5656]

@@pyrohat If I could get a dollar everytime anyone saying this without knowing what they are talking about, I would be a billionaire

[@Vrabsher_-Supreme_Perhinther-]

@@pyrohat That's a goddamn obvious gameplay mechanic you stupid fuck . Can't belive I still have to educate people on this topic . That comment of yours almost made me break a wall in my house because of how stupid it was .

[@Skibster-w9l]

0:09 One of my favorite ones is how in Sonic 4 ep Metal, we see a damaged metal Sonic fly from little planet to earth in only a few seconds, so the fact that Sonic can keep up with and even outpace Metal Sonic when he isn’t already damaged is pretty cool.

[@BWHERE]

I was going to include this feat but I ran into the issue that we don’t know the approximate size of little planet, which is necessary for calcing it correctly

[@Anto4writting]

​@@BWHERE Little planet is small. Smaller than Earth thats for sure. So likely the same size as likely....îd Say Pluto?

[@Justcallmeaqua420]

It's a lot smaller than that from we can see ik the cutscene. asteroid/meteor size is more accurate ​@@Anto4writting

[@enkayrome]

@@Justcallmeaqua420still probably big enough to host zones and environments, so probably about a half of earths moon

[@Justcallmeaqua420]

@@enkayrome sounds about right

[@jayymorris5285]

25:21 oh wait we are just NOW going super???

[@Popcornisyums]

the fact that BASE GAME SONIC can literally wipe out most of these guys if not all of them is crazy, wait until the next mainline release where he will probably destroy a machine that threatens the entirety of space oh also I think the speed he goes at in the game isn't even his max speed... I think he just dials it back

[@gabrielmachado1247]

Even if Not,He Already has "Surpassing his Super form in Base" as a consistent Powercliffing,hell look at Sonic x Shadow Generations ,where Shadow is Fighting Metal Overlord,Somebody that needed Super Sonic,Super Tails and Super Knuckles to beat before hand And if the Shadow we Fight in Sonic Generations IS THAT Same Shadow,then Goddamn

[@Popcornisyums]

@@gabrielmachado1247 yeah and we already know that sonic beats shadow in generations, so if he can beat shadow then surely he can beat metal overlord in base

[@LordTyph]

@@Popcornisyums I think there's also going to be a bit where Shadow can fight Sonic and win so the two are arguably equally matched, assuming they didn't face chronological clones or whatever.

[@KopperNeoman]

@@LordTyph Also remember that Shadow was the one to win the equivalent fight in SA2, because otherwise Tails' fake emerald would have prevented the Last Story.

[@syzorst]

It's nice to see Sonic getting the respect he deserves. I remember that in the past, many people was saying Super Sonic couldn't even beat Super Saiyan Goku. The idea of Sonic vs DBZ was looked at as a joke that no one took seriously but now people are starting the realize how powerful Sonic is.

[@Roto3]

He doesn't stand a chance against Super Saiyan Goku.

[@kalabhitimisuki9473]

@@Roto3 Not true. Just depends on when

[@vlyix]

@@Roto3wrong. Current Video Game Sonic > Mastered SSJ Goku

[@Slabernick]

@@Roto3 cope. dont even get me started on Archie Sonic lol

[@Chawle-ol3fu]

@@Roto3He slams MUI

[@kanewilson8624]

2:27 keep in mind the only reason the “Surprise punch” could knock Sonic back into base from Super was because Knuckles grew up around the Master Emerald. His knowledge in Chaos Energy would be far superior when compared to Sonic at the time.

[@tomhossain2099]

Yeah I’m pretty sure he used the master emerald to turn off super sonics invulnerability

[@nishnishbishb8918]

It’s apart of his power. He has the ability to restore a broken master emerald because of his connection to chaos energy which also means he can do the reverse and knock anyone out of it because of his connection to it and not because of his strength.

[@KopperNeoman]

Remember that (before Sonic Origins) Knuckles is the only person who isn't a male hedgehog or female cat to exhibit a Super form with the power of the Chaos Emeralds alone.

[@valtaoi9334]

When you realise that silver would do a better job than trunks in the future

[@eliasflawless1698]

"He only ran through a PORTION of this infinite dimention" Erm,my man,I am sorry to notify you - but your math teacher called.She is enraged. You can not divide infinity into parts.Every part of infinity is infinite.Even thou there is a bigger and a smaller infinity,proven by the mathematicians,even the smallest infinity - would still be Infinite,because this this what infinity means.Not having an end.

[@BWHERE]

There is an infinitely long highway in front of you. You take one step onto it. Did you just move infinite distance? Or did you move a finite amount inside an infinite space?

[@eliasflawless1698]

@@BWHERE true,but it is an unfair comparison,because as YOU say - it is stated that he ran into another dimention FROM an infinite dimention. It is not like stepping on an infinite highway. It is like being dropped in the middle of the infinite highway and running until you go from that infinite highway to a house on the end of this infinite highway.Or something like that,I hate explaining scientific stuff with comparison's)

[@madstachoif5512]

True though Sonic can outrun a single 4th Dimensional parameter (in his Super forms) which is Immeasurable speed

[@HeliPotter2000]

Math does not apply when you are faster than infinite speed.

[@greenknight9000]

I'm so glad to finally see someone do Sonic Powerscaling justice. Super Sonic truly is fit for the name "Golden God" I can imagine Goku trying the Chaos Emeralds after Sonic lets Goku a try with them, and going Super Goku, but not the usual Super Goku he's used to, and being utterly starstruck, and possibly even overwhelmed by the Emeralds limitless power.

[@GOAT-ganyu]

He downplaying Sonic bc Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself

[@brandonholder2483]

​@@GOAT-ganyu Power scaling brainrot be like

[@gabeskai]

Man, I would LOVE to see Sonic and Goku hanging out

[@CORNERSTYLE2.0]

​​@@brandonholder2483 don't listen to him. He just copy and paste from someone

[@SuperSonic18969]

@@GOAT-ganyufor the record, he got the string theory part from Eggman “proving” it in Boom, which is a branch of the canon

[@Skibster-w9l]

6:34 Nearly escaped, he did survive it though, and probably could have escaped if he was able to boost. He’s only gotten faster since.

[@johnathannelson6102]

Didn't the wisp help him to survive that? Either way I think being able to run away from a black hole in the first place especially with how close it gets to him still has to be some kind of feat right?

[@MCJoaoAlmeida]

He didn't get swallowed by it so we can say he escaped he stayed floating in space then the wisps helped him get to earth

[@carso1500]

​@@MCJoaoAlmeidahe wasnt escaping the black hole thou, he was escaping the weird gravitational pulse that was expanding and the black hole all in all is pretty small

[@CORNERSTYLE2.0]

​@@johnathannelson6102they just moved him from there. Wouldn't change him getting damage from it. Yeah given its from void/violet that Can bend time and space to pull thing is enough proof. (You could Also use colours DS where nega Wisp armour use Void Wisp power and sonic use boost to escape it

[@CORNERSTYLE2.0]

​@@carso1500he tried to escape from it just like nega Wisp armour (colours DS version), what makes the difference?. It doesn't matter if it's big or small if it Can bend time and space to support its gravitational pull then it's still a "kind" of black hole (it's from void description which is black hole)

[@josuelmunendez6687]

But how will Sonic fare against Mr Satan? Would the Chaos Doritos be enough?

[@BWHERE]

The hero who defeated Perfect Cell? The world martial arts champion??? Sonic doesn’t stand a chance

[@valtaoi9334]

@@BWHEREfr

[@thegoldenapplebryanwu6816]

Archie Super Sonic might give Mr Satan a challenge in his base. But the moment he turns into Super Satan, the hero that defeated Beebus. Not even the 4th Dimension is safe from his strength. (I do not know what the 4th Dimension is.)

[@SuperSonic18969]

Curious George slams🙏🙏🙏

[@Sleepyboi4]

​@@SuperSonic18969 fr

[@lynxzanimated]

So basically depending on how you interpret certain dialogue, Sonic could wipe out DBS or he loses to Kid Buu. I do like the idea that sonic is the God of wind, sounds cool.

[@sonicwithglasses131]

Sonic wipes the verse

[@lynxzanimated]

@@sonicwithglasses131 Yeah chill, I'll debate you that he doesn't.

[@GOAT-ganyu]

​@@lynxzanimated in game Sonic beat Void who destroed Maginaryworld that contains infinite universes/realities with time-space

[@lynxzanimated]

@@GOAT-ganyu Goku in Buu Saga traveled through Hell and heaven which are both infinite in size.

[@GOAT-ganyu]

@@lynxzanimated it's not infinity bc demon realm was stated to be the smallest realm and i'm gonna destroy your ass, Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory from Sonic boom timeline, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second, escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 25d (26d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself

[@Kakarot20849]

That isn’t even sonics strongest transformation

[@fangzgaming5510]

You're correct, it's what I call the OG Ultra Instinct; Hyper Sonic. But he can no longer access it, so Super Sonic 2 has to do

[@TranscendantWyvern]

@@fangzgaming5510What do mean he can no longer access hyper? I think you mean SS2 because Master King basically stated that if he went all out, the power would leave Sonic entirely and what did Sonic do? He went all out.

[@Sonicspeedmaster]

But sega had to erase hyper sonic cause they feared his power

[@flowerfellsans9505]

​@@Sonicspeedmaster fun fact... Is stated that if sonic want to get his hyper form back... All he need to do is just travel to different dimensions and obtain those big emerald

[@Kakarot20849]

@@Sonicspeedmaster and there is something called super sonic 2

[@ibexis]

So Here's something In the IDW Comics, which are confirmed to take place in the games continuity, the Phantom Ruby is stronger to the Master Emerald, which is even stronger than the seven Chaos Emeralds Infinite is stated to be stronger than every foe Sonic has fought before, including Perfect Chaos, the Biolizzard, Metal Overlord, the Time Eater and even Solaris And base Sonic was able to defeat Infinite various times during the game That would put base Sonic even higher than Time Eater and Solaris by the time of Sonic Forces And not even with all that power he was able to damage the Titans in Sonic Frontiers And that makes sense as the Titans were made to protect the Ancients from The End, even if they failed Having that in mind, that would put not only The End but also the Titans higher than the Chaos Emeralds, the Master Emerald and the Phantom Ruby And just by using the power of the emeralds, Sonic is able to easly surpass that Now Here's something about his speed The Time Eater had literally erased time and space and Sonic restored them just by running, not only as his Modern self but also his Classic younger self, so that would mean both Modern and Classic Sonic do have immeasurable speed by themselves, without even taking the fact that Sonic goes stronger and faster every second And as the game itself shrugs it off, we could assume that's not even impressive in Sonic standards

[@Chillblackcat]

Man, I'm not sure it's a wise decision to bring idw into this when that continuity is an anti feat gold mine. Sometimes, even to the point of not making sense from a commonsense perspective. Idw sonic anti feats. Zavok is thrown into a regular jail cell in issue one of bad guys and couldn't escape. The cell also lacked any electrical components, so they basically tossed a guy who could destroy robots in ye old county jail, and it somehow worked. Team chaotix are also thrown in a regular prison cell in the most recent issue, and they are unable to escape. Burning Blaze doesn't even last a single issue in the metal sonic arc and gets totally exhausted, taking out the egg fleet despite her beating egg salamander and egg wizard alongside Sonic. Eggman says he could beat sonic at any time via carpet bombing and doesn't because of a batman joker dynamic or something. Exept idw Eggman apparently has amnesia since he tried exactly that in Sonic 3 and failed. Silver gets put into a mini coma from blocking an explosion the size of a small room. So this dude can beat a fire god that can bench press skyscrapers, but throw a couple kilograms of tnt at him, and he just gets bodied.

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@Chillblackcat It's cause the writers and SEGA wants to restrict Sonic's power for whatever reason 😞

[@Chillblackcat]

​@thedarknessinthelight9824 Well, I'm not sure about sega when they are having base Shadow solo another super Sonic level threat. But idw is uhhhh... I'm going to say idw is to Sonic what cw is to flash and leave it at that. On the bright side idw has cool characters, excellent art and interesting premises, but I swear it just can't write stakes without nerfing charecters to borderline human level. Sonic got knocked out by a biplane crash in scrapnik Island, lol.

[@docrilas]

Infinite isn't stronger than all the vilain because he was using a copy of the Phantom Ruby it wasn't the real one

[@codishotwell150]

@@ibexis Each Titans was build off of one emerald. Which they had more power than the Phantom ruby. And knuckles stated in game that the ancients is very powerful with one Emerald. Which has been proven the titans giving super sonic a run just off one emerald. The same sonic in just his baseform is more powerful than infinite. If the Titan had all 7 emeralds like super sonic he screwed But of course hes gonna figure something out.

[@Noone-xf9uu]

2:00 theres actually some evidence to support what sonic said is true and this is in the sonic movie When eggman scans sonics quill it said it was unlimited and we also saw the line on the graph constantly go up every second and we see in sonic frontiers that game sonics quills work similarly to movie sonics quills both having an electrically charged form and if you put the cutscene when sonic gets charged in the game next to when he gets charged in the movie they're almost identical.

[@kanewilson8624]

Here are some things that I would like to point out about Sonic lore and gameplay since I've been a long time fan: 1.Super Sonic is said to be completely invulnerable to any and all attacks, with large scale final boss attacks only slowing him down. However Super Sonic has a health bar during the Perfect Dark Gaia fight, with Sonic commenting that he can actually FEEL the attacks (meaning either Dark Gaia's Atk power is higher than invulnerability or it negates Super Sonic's defense. 3.During the flash back cutscene on Chaos Island (Sonic Frontiers), Sonic and Tails witnesses the fight between the Ancients and THE END. Tails points out that the heavy artillery that the Ancients are using are equivalent to the Eclipse Cannon, while the beams being fired back by THE END are similar in strength to Perfect Dark Gaia. Tails won’t says these things lightly, he has an extremely high IQ (comparable to Eggman) and has witnessed the power of BOTH first hand (The moon was blown up only using a small portion of its potential power) (Super Sonic fight and Light Gaia vs Perfect Dark Gaia was shaking the planet) 4. As for the Titans, it’s clear that with the power of ONE emerald, they had the potential to battle THE END to a standstill, but lacked the strength to destroy it. Unlike Sonic who couldn’t use his normal Super form to its true potential to properly fight THE END in the original ending of Frontiers, he COULD end it after it had been weakened by Sage using the Supreme. 5. Since both Ian Flynn and Sonic Team/Sega have confirmed that Sonic's history is both consistent and canon across the games (remember point 3?) the only beings that could have built the World temples across Mobius/Earth would have been the Ancients (with help from CHIP/Light Gaia) and since Light Gaia states that he had been fighting Dark Gaia every few million years since the creation of the world, that would mean he had to either use his own power or use it in combination with the Master Emerald to forge his own Gaia colossus every time since the Chaos Emeralds didn’t exist until the Ancients brought them. My point? If the act of AWAKENING an emerald from its drained state can shift the planet back together, then it’s highly likely that it is on the very lowball of what a Chaos Emerald can truely do.

[@matthewcorrie3324]

Huh, you make some very good points

[@KopperNeoman]

Other bosses have harmed Super Sonic as well, usually by making him drop a portion of his rings.

[@psychoticace6069]

If the chaos emeralds turn thoughts into power then it would make sense as to how he's so strong in his super form.

[@mike16apha16]

holy cow that ending was incredible

[@ethdiac1337]

Frieza when he throws a death ball at sonic and he sees him alive with a ring right next to him

[@Ultracomics-toocool4u]

I just realized this is GAME sonic going through dragon ball all in his base 90% of the way😭 Bro imagine archie sonic going through dragon ball super... which wouldnt be fair because archie sonic once showed powers like zeno💀

[@that1guy712]

No way people still think Archie Sonic is stronger than game Sonic in big 2024

[@KiremeShadow]

​@that1guy712 ... because he is. Game Sonic is most definitely closing that gap but Archie still holding on to some of the best feats of any Sonic.

[@Xeno_og]

Archie sonic didn’t just show powers like Xeno, he EXCEEDS him. He’s one of the most powerful characters in fiction up there with the flash, Superman, Featherine, Saber all of them.

[@logic-dy1su]

​@@that1guy712Show me video game sonic tanking a hit from a genesis wave and rewriting the universe in just super then😂

[@ayden6986]

​@@logic-dy1suthe final boss from 06 😐

[@crossux]

All of this is JUST the Game Sonic Canon, imagine how crazy things would be if we used what happens there. I've been saying since the start of this "Sonic VS DB" meme debate, "Sonic has almost no equal, and in Super, he truely has no equal."

[@crimsongogeta6810]

25:10 I swear I heard “Now I’ll show you” right here in my head.

[@matthewcorrie3324]

Same

[@Myxer09]

dude you turned into a bestselling author at the end there (istfg if i see one SINGLE comment saying goku solos im flipping my shit)

[@BWHERE]

I'll take it lol

[@Chillblackcat]

Well I gotta say I approve of your edgy Sonic scaling and am excited to see what 10/10 video is next ❤. That said I really like that you went over almost every avenue for Sonic's scaling since most power scalers just pick one and run with it. And while that's not necessarily a bad thing I think it's a breath of fresh air to see someone present more than one interpretation of a characters strength.

[@BWHERE]

Thank you! I had a ton of fun putting this one together so I’m glad someone enjoyed the finished product!

[@TheIDcard123]

I thought you were gonna bring up at the end about when Sonic was killed by Mephiles and Elise mentioned that she could sense Sonic's presence "in the wind." Sonic might actually be the God of Wind lol

[@allegiance8243]

I love how he doesn’t even mention Hyper, that would just be overkill

[@BWHERE]

This might be a hot take but I think modern Super Sonic is a lot stronger than classic Hyper Sonic. Classic Super got knocked out by a surprise attack from Knuckles - in the same way that Sonic gets stronger as he ages, I think his ability to use super forms gets better too. But yeah a modern Hyper Sonic would be nutty

[@gabrielmachado1247]

​@@BWHEREconsidering how People argue that Current Base Sonic Slaps Adventure/Heroes Super Sonic,its not a Hot take honestly

[@neelmodi7765]

​​@@BWHEREknuckles is the guardian of the master emerald, that was undoubtedly hax abilities he used

[@cloudirubez07]

@@BWHERE I’ve heard some people say Knuckles’ innate ability to tap into Chaos Emerald energy like Sonic and Shadow was probably the reason he could punch Sonic out of his Super form, either that or through sheer power which is still pretty insane.

[@KopperNeoman]

Going by this video's scaling of the Chaos Emeralds, and considering how much more powerful the Master Emerald is, and exactly WHAT the Super Emeralds are, Hyper Sonic and Hyper Knuckles clap the entire DB cosmology. Probably Super Tails too, come to think.

[@ghosty2548]

Sonic fan me is happy now :3

[@AngelaAnthony-ky2ts]

Sonic: *Beats the End itself and transcends the laws of reality* Mario fans: yah nah Mario sweeps

[@GreenEyedPsycho]

Bro that God of Wind theory has got to be the hardest Sonic theory I’ve ever heard

[@LeonardoCoelho-g3h]

I never even thought of the doomsday creatures being actual elemental gods, that's some really cool lore that i am sure.... sega will never see/use sadly...

[@matthewcorrie3324]

Well Chaos and Solaris were both called gods and by extension that would make Iblis and Mephiles gods as well (due to being two halves of a whole), the Gaia twins are self explanatory and the elements just make sense (Chaos=Water, Solaris=Light, Iblis=Fire, Mephiles=Shadow (HA!), Light Gaia=Earth, Dark Gaia=Darkness and The End=Death)

[@Noone-xf9uu]

Oh this is going to be sick

[@Dr._McDonald5]

Let’s not forget sonics best speed feat where he ran so fast he and his classic self reversed the time stop from generations…sonic ran so fast he restored time

[@adonisrobbins_nonis]

Love the video. The little tidbit about Super Sonic getting knocked out by knuckles is a bit off though. It wasn't that Knuckles overpowered Super Sonic, it's that Knuckles has the ability to knock the emeralds out of people. They actually referenced that ability in the movie, Sonic 2, when he punched the master emerald out of Dr Eggman. No other character has been seen doing that before.

[@nishnishbishb8918]

Knuckles has some sort of special connection to chaos energy which allows him to restore or destroy anything with chaos energy. You can see in the sonic movie how he restored the broken master emerald to its original state. Knuckles can do the inverse as well and simply break anyone out of the chaos energy. So someone like solaris who has the power to destroy the universe wouldn’t be able to knock sonic out but knuckles could who is weaker.

[@timdoe8895]

Sonics Frontier moves are just speed feats. He doesn’t use Chaos Energy.

[@EdgyRoseBoi]

Super Sonic is basically the Ben 10 Alien X of the Sonic Universe

[@edgeproductions4696]

Sonic is able to follow shadow’s movement in ether stopped time or when he was teleporting. Thus, infinite speed in base.

[@wasdwazd]

Sonic being a planet buster because he destroyed the power source of a planet-destroying weapon is a hell of a reach, even by power scaler standards. That being said, you were cooking with that God of Wind idea

[@simondelgado339]

just a small correction, Roshi used his buff form to blow up the moon so it can be inferred that a power level of 150 isn't enough to blow up the moon also I remember that in magazines they stated that you need a power level of 10,000 to blow up a planet

[@Sarge327]

Ever so slight correction but Shadow never admitted that Sonic is the ULF, he speculated that Sonic could be the ULF but was confirmed to have retracted that thought. Then in the 2005 Shadow game, Sonic does outright say that Shadow is the ULF.

[@CrucialMutual]

This is just a lowballed Sonic so im not to mad. Though his averages can be found and supported far higher through official guides and databooks.

[@masterignite64]

At the end bro just spat some philosophical bars about sonic being the god of the wind

[@eatchickeninthekitchen8665]

I've always considered sonic the wind, but god never crossed my mind

[@Theguyfromtheinternet122]

You see frieza... you're not dealing with the average blue hedgehog anymore...

[@matthewcorrie3324]

I thought that you were going to go with the whole "Chaos energy turns thoughts into power" thing at the end there was not expecting a head-cannon that makes so much sense or went that hard

[@codishotwell150]

You forgot to mention each chaos emeralds have unlimited power meaning Omnipotence 7 times since sonic adventure tails stated that. And the ancients build the titans off one emerald that give supersonic a run. It come down to who know how to use the emeralds even sonic haven't use the true power of the emeralds to this day. And his still broken. Each chaos emeralds have unlimited power. Even the super Dragon balls not touching that. Super Dragon balls They useless by themselves.

[@A.R.T.4]

That’s probably why we haven’t seen hyper Sonic since he is so fundamentally overpowered. A Super Emerald is when a Chaos Emerald essentially goes super form with the power of all seven…and then Sonic fuses with seven of those. That much power is damn near incalculable

[@codishotwell150]

@@A.R.T.4 Supersonic is broken as it is. Even in gameplay. And he's restricted. Super emerald would be straight unnecessary and shouldn't exist. That would be beyond bonkers & friction.

[@Lanosplaylist]

Seeing someone who actually knows how to scale sonic characters post a video is so refreshing. Also for the black hole feat in sonic colors: Hyper Go-on energy is stated to be the most efficient energy source in the series I’m pretty sure. Greater than the chaos emeralds, I’m not sure but it’s interesting to look into. Sonic being able to harness this energy and fighting another wisp who scales above every wisp - that stopped the black hole.

[@sonicdml4175]

About the Gens feat. In Sonic Generations, time and space outright do not exist. The fact that Sonic moves at all is immeasurable speed

[@BWHERE]

If you believe this, then classic tails and also Dr. Eggman also have immeasurable speed

[@sonicdml4175]

@@BWHERE Tails and the others were freed by Sonic. Both Eggmen were controlling the Time Eater, so they were unneffected

[@neelmodi7765]

​@@sonicdml4175finally someone gets this

[@KopperNeoman]

@@BWHERE Guess which mad doctor Sonic is repeatedly unable to outrun?

[@LmaoLevi]

*Frieza laughing after throwing Sonic into a mountain* **IM HANGING UP TO THE OTHER SIDE, I WON'T GIVE UP TILL THE END OF ME...-**

[@BaconBoy-c2e]

The thing is, you can’t really describe games sonic without talking about the IDW comics since those are Cannon and so is sonic prime somehow

[@jjkmike6583]

I really enjoyed this video I would love to see a Shadow or even Metal Sonic version of this some point in the future. I love how even without the Sonic CD Time travel feat and some others. Sonic can just easily wipe the floor against a majority of characters

[@SOULREAPEROP]

Frieeza, be like, wait, let me do 10 push-ups real quick to get my own hyper form to mock.

[@RetroMagnus761]

You should do "what if Sonic and Mario swapped universes" where you individually power scale both characters and their verses and see if either of them can fulfill the shoes of taking on the other's rouges gallery. You could also do this with Kratos and Asura, Batman and Spiderman, Spiderman and Invincible, Invincible and Steven Universe, ect.

[@metalsonic4.1therobothedge24]

24:48 there is a feat for that, because in Sonic CD Japanese commercial, its stated CLASSIC SONIC is faster than time itself

[@radudumitru3306]

and so, CLASSIC SONIC has immeasurable speed

[@EdgyRoseBoi]

Let’s be real people! SONICS FOUGHT LITERAL GODS AND SLAPS DRAGON BALL VILLAINS

[@GodzillaAndSonicFan5491]

Sonic is a lot more powerful if you look at sonic prime. it doesn't matter that sonic only travelled a little of a infnlite universe that would still give him infinite speed . Him walking in place with no time would just mean his walking speed is immeasurably. Still a good video 👍

[@Iamkaiivibes]

2:52 so he can do hollow purple. 👌🏾👌🏾

[@NovaPrime-91]

No mention of sonic cd sonic being able to time travel is insane considering he was a young sonic the creator even say the time post you run past are just a game mechanic sonic could travel in time any time he wants

[@chillvibes7387]

The biggest thing about Sonic's power that i always go to is the fact that Super Sonic is completely invulnerable. The only time (that i recall at least) in a mainline sonic game that he took damage in a super state was against the literal gos of tome Solaris, and the only reason he took him down was by Shadow and Silver also fighting Solaris at different times. Once Sonic goes super, theres no stopping him

[@KopperNeoman]

There are a fair few bosses that can cause damage to Super Sonic, forcing him to drop a portion of his rings. Non-canonically, the Big Arm boss in standalone Sonic 3 can make him drop them ALL. This is a bug, not a feat - the grab attack mistakenly ignores the Invulnerability flag.

[@hitgame9227]

Holy shit the thumbnail goes hard😮.

[@BWHERE]

The artist is Funny Monkey on Twitter! He draws heat every time!! @funnismonkis

[@hitgame9227]

@@BWHERE Thank you

[@iffydoesit]

That final sentence was heat🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@loveorlogic2267]

I do wanna say. just started the video. not including archie comics, the IDW comics were confirmed to be CANON towards the sonic universe, stating that they are in between games. characters from the comics are also name dropped in frontiers, solidifying this point even more. so any scaling to game sonic, IDW should add to that as well.

[@chilidogsonic6774]

Sonic could run through time in cd,very early actually

[@Vintagesonic1]

Finally, a video that scales Game Sonic and not Archie Sonic.

[@SansINess53]

Not to mention sonic canonically can use chaos emeralds abilities like chaos control and stop time and other abilities I don't need to list like applied regeneration. Since with all 6 emeralds alone can restore south island back to it's glory.

[@greenluck10]

2 views in 48 seconds, bro fell off 😔

[@BWHERE]

I’m cooked, I’m washed, it’s so over

[@demizstudios]

@@BWHEREW video L comment

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

​@@BWHEREwell with the looks of your this video if you're going full length for one party and not even putting even half of the effort for other party then may be you can lose interest from one side.

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

​@@BWHEREAnd a reminder there can be exist two multiversal lvl entity for two multiverse . For example Marvel Galactus .

[@RegisteredFelon-ki8be]

10K views in one day bro got back up 🤯

[@nk_worldz6667]

Sonic caps out at Perfect Cell

[@haydenboggsherrera1611]

Super sonic can beat the goods of destruction with no difficulty

[@Did_I_ask]

Yeah no we've barely seen what the gods can do and yet they're stronger than Goku and Vegeta keep in mind Goku is like comfortably sitting in multiversal levels of Powers and still lose

[@Sonic44885]

Just wanna fix one thing, sonic does have an immeasurable speed feat, eggman at the end of generations states "it's the same time as when you ask earlier and it'll be the same time when you ask later, there is no time here" when trapped in the white space

[@carso1500]

Well i supose that meams Eggman moves at an inmesurable speed now, he defeats zeno in base

[@Sonic44885]

@carso1500 i mean bro in the current IDW comics which use the games as the baseline for all character interactions and feats, eggman does have reaction speeds that do somewhat mirror him having immeasurable speed not to mention being able to have manhandled someone who is on par speed wise to some of the side cast

[@carso1500]

@@Sonic44885 and this is a good example when power scaling fails No Eggman doesnt move at inmensurable speeds, it goes against the most consistent interpretation of the character

[@KopperNeoman]

@@carso1500 Sonic Adventure 2 went out of its way to give Dr. Robotnik a higher grounded acceleration and max speed than Sonic and Shadow when on foot, mind you. This same courtesy did not extend to Tails, who was Sonic's equal in speed when he was first introduced up until the Homing Attack became a thing. All this for the virtual pet raising portion of the game. Just to bear in mind.

[@starlightrose3237]

it's nice to see sonic's actual power acknowledged for once. people somehow still believing that sonic is only planet level and isn't even FTL is insane to me

[@lonniesdream]

Im finally happy that sonic is getting the credit he deserved you earned a like and sub

[@CypherSh1k1ru]

man, along with a video by goji-chronic where he scales sonic and shadow againts DB villains, and someone scaling sonic against the big 3, you are another added to my favorites when it comes to scaling sonic, and your head canon of sonic possibly being the god of wind is just so cool

[@RaijinRift]

yea ever since the solaris and the end feat sonic has made, nothing in in dragon ball has kept up with it yet even tho i love dragon ball so much, he destroys alot of stories which is so sick

[@Ebullience]

Sonic is my GOAT

[@_veloxity91]

Actually, the boost isn't a canon ability, it's simply a gameplay mechanic like Super Sonic being nerfed by the ring count. I feel like SEGA is just reluctant to establish concrete powerscaling, choosing to leave it up to interpretation instead. Which, to be fair, happens in Dragon Ball too. Also, I'd genuinely love to see a transformation based off of the idea that Sonic is the God of Wind.

[@mober7430]

People like low balling the feat that Sonic outran an exploding Black Hole because he still got caught in the end. But Sonic had no boost and was tired. Also Sonic has been said multiple times by games and by the creator so be able to run faster than the speed of light in Base. He can also go to the past and the future by going fast which was only a gameplay mechanic in CD.

[@KopperNeoman]

While it may not be canon, hacking in infinite rings and going Super leads to Sonic still getting caught, but it taking far longer.

[@gabrielmachado1247]

I think its a bit more clear with Using Sonic adventure 2,Shadow saying that he thinks he knows who the Real Ultimate Lifeform is,Sonic Himself

[@vibeboi7927]

my guy eviserated dragon ball with sonic and made possibly the best head cannon for him ever as well

[@KageyoshiSQD1]

Sonic is literally a chaos god like the shit he’s done in the games can surpass his comic feats like the hyper sonic form is his most powerful transformation since in the comic one super emerald gave him ultra sonic but all 7 super emeralds caused him to go hyper

[@GamingHero2099]

Sonic vs dragon ball in a nut shell Base sonic: gets defeated by buu Super sonic: *UNDEFEATABLE*

[@kimgalorport9852]

Thanks to the KZbin algorithm i found your channel...

[@BWHERE]

Welcome!

[@speedsmygame]

Here’s 3 reasons why Sonic is possibly the strongest character in all of fiction - In Sonic Adventure 2, the eclipse cannon is said to be something that can pierce stars. Yet, Sonic goes through it to stop the cannon from destroying earth. - In Sonic Generations, the white space is considered to be a place where time doesn’t exist. In that case, no one could move, which explains the other characters being stuck. Yet, Sonic can move freely at any time. He has a speed that no one can reach. Time isn’t a factor in his speed. - in Sonic (2006), he had defeated the god of all universes, Solaris. You could argue that Silver and Shadow helped him, but then again, he also was granted access into the space that Solaris’ Flame is kept. This flame is what kept the fabric of reality together. No one else but Elise should be able to see it. And yet, Sonic had. And he ended up encouraging Elise to blow it out and reset time. He has the power to go and flick the switch of reality and just reset stuff.

[@Crimson-jf1sl]

Mind you you didn’t even mention HYPER FORM which he used AS A CHILD ONE TIME. If he had hyper with the strength he has now HE COULF POSSIBLY EVEN CHANGE OUR UNIVERSE DUE TO BREAKING THE LOGICAL LAW OF HIS WORLD

[@salcaalpaca3428]

The Sonic headcannon you have may be closer to reality than you think. When experiencing the games in their native language(Japanese), Sonic is metaphorically bitrade as a sort of fairy or Kami(God). His whole thing is that he is a force of nature that changes the lives and fates of those around him, inspiring most to be the best them.

[@vito6197]

"God of the Wind"? Sonic: *is now more associated with electricity*

[@tomhossain2099]

It’s so annoying. He was wind based to differentiate him from the flash.

[@pootispastry397]

I love listening to how sonic would smoke characters from shows i've never watched, the reason why they say "can he beat goku" is not because goku is stronger, but because the answer to "can he beat sonic" is gonna be a consistent "no"

[@HaiderRaps]

As a Sonic fan, in my personal opinion, If it were Game Sonic against the whole gaunlet, he’d lose to the gods of 12 universes including Zeno, If it’s Archie Sonic, he clears and humbles everyone amd plays Zeno’s head like a football

[@TesterTtt]

W

[@Native-heavenly]

Sonic is soloing the entire verse

[@sonicldx-x5x]

all db villans : HOW .... HOW ARE YOU SO POWERFULL WHO ARE YOU !. SONIC: SOME CALL ME THE FASTEST THING ALIVE SOME THE KNIGHT OF THE WIND I DONT KNOW HOW I AM THIS POWERFUL BUT KNOW THAT I AM JUST A GUY THAT LOVES ADVENTURES!

[@Mike16192]

I'd be interested to see how shadow fairs up against the DBZ villians or to make it more interesting. How he fairs against the Dragonball movie villians, that seems like it be a interesting discussion.

[@monke6075]

"Come on, step it u-" *get's kid buud*

[@JaMix007]

25:06 Ayo I animated that fight :D