BYD and MG just made a huge mistake in Australia...

[@electricviking]

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[@lumtavon1952]

Jpn was again nowhere to be seen on the EV show. Hybrid only is just 20 year old technology

[@JoeLee-ti2uz]

Can't find a free charger and installation via your link. Has it expired?

[@risingnovas]

Doesn't link to free charger

[@huntchris]

Re. BYD and MG, I think the problem lies more with their distributors and their lack of understanding that communication is king. Distributors and dealers beware; it isn't about just moving cars anymore. You must continue to delight your customers in a similar way that, for example, Tesla have.

[@howardcairns78]

I agree, I feel the distributor is penny pinching and doesn't want to spend money on car shows. I own an Atto3 and I feel there is very little in the way of communication about updates and no way for me to suggest improvements.

[@jack-oi8do]

BYD was at the show. Sam even filmed their stand when he did the walk around. his an idiot.

[@iyanghao]

@@howardcairns78 Because more users are in China

[@Bob-v8b3i]

You still haven’t found a Shirt that fits.

[@sharkflower123]

BYD had the largest showcase area at eCarExpo 2024 in Copenhagen

[@trythis2821]

Long way from Australia mate.

[@oscarmico3353]

Who cares? Nobody buys their cars in Denmark

[@roro-v3z]

​@@oscarmico3353I just ordered one...

[@sharkflower123]

@ BYD only just introduced the Sealion. Sealion and the updated Tang are the only desirable/competitive BYD models in Denmark, so from now I think they will do better...

[@Chris-be1fo]

I was at the show in Sydney. I was disappointed that so many of the representatives there could not answer even some of the most basic questions about their product. Turns out that for some of the brands the representatives were just people hired to guard the car at the show but didn’t really know much about it. One even admitted that when he turned up at the show to start work that was the first time he had seen the car. it made me suspicious that I if I bought the car the after sales service would probably be as slack as the commitment to prospective buyers at the show.

[@marcusrumm]

100% agree, I went to the AGL stand and asked the guy there about their EV energy plan and I had to show him where it was on the AGL website. Then I asked what criteria I had to meet to switch over from my current plan and again, he had no idea!

[@Nascup]

Thats every car show....its hilarious how much money a brand will spend getting to an event only to hire a nobody to sell it to you. Sorry to say but if you are female im walking the other way because 99.9% wouldnt have a clue.

[@thearlongpark]

BYD was there?!?! I was there at the EV show too, they brought Seal, Dolphin, Atto 3 and Sealion 6. It is in your Sydney EV show full walkaround video as well at 10:52 onwards. Yes they don't spend much to put it in front of the main door like KIA did but they also spent heaps putting sponsorship in football and more importantly being Sydney Roosters main sponsor. This will give 10 times more exposure than a weekend EV show in Sydney.

[@doctorbad]

I can't believe they didn't have a shark at the show

[@thearlongpark]

@@doctorbad There are only 4 Sharks in the country from pre-production vehicles and they were traveling around the dealerships.

[@aaronfry3772]

He would be referring to BYD staff from China the distributors that I’ve deal with when purchasing my seal were very average so they have a long way to IMO

[@Nascup]

Exactly, BYD were there in the same way that Tesla were there.

[@grahamgillard3722]

I just bought a Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross 1.5 litre turbo. 10 year warranty, although I’ll probably keep it longer. I love it!

[@trythis2821]

BYD needs to lower prices to have any hope of being a top 3 selling in Australia. MG when they dropped $10K that significantly boosted sales.

[@markheer4083]

MG are very unreliable though.. many here in UK have so many problems .

[@user-hz3eu5in]

Tesla never showed up for any shows either and they are doing fine worldwide. Glad to see some people in comments who understand what is really important: "Actually their biggest mistake is crap post sale support and warranty." Thats the real stuff. Especially regarding Chinese companies - all of them are new, people are not sure what to think of them, how serious are they, will they be still around in 5 years time for support, service etc or will disappear like most "startups".

[@andrewmclean1239]

Tesla had very little competition

[@trythis2821]

What you said is correct, but price plays the biggest part, when MG lowered their prices, they became an instant success.

[@protagonist9716]

KZbin videos like this one will make sure Brands like Xpeng sell well.

[@pleongv1]

@@andrewmclean1239Tesla have dropped price many times … due to competition from Chinese ev byd

[@robvanduren761]

That is very true. An example of this is LDV in Australia and NZ. The distributors and dealers are useless at backing up their product. I think the vehicles are good but will never buy another one. Some good products disappear because of greedy despot behavior.

[@SmdnSnnd]

Actually their biggest mistake is crap post sale support and warranty....

[@mrki412]

Exactly, that is why I wouldn't buy MG, other then that great car.

[@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_]

+ quality and fit and finish issues

[@Jasonfallen71]

Those are two sides of the same coin as far as I’m concerned. You’re both right. Even Tesla has work to do in this front. But they are at a much better position from which to grow.

[@michaelgreen5515]

MG and BYD offer great cars at fantastic prices here in UK/Ireland. The issue is customer service is shocking on all the owner forums. Most cars it seems no issues and the owners rave about them, but if u r unlucky it's a nightmare. Got a 2nd hand ec4. Loved the MG4 trophy though.

[@thyristo]

​@@michaelgreen5515meanwhile a lot of legacy auto exists for over 100 years...and their service is still trash.

[@mrtonyis]

We need an EV show in Brisbane

[@howardcairns78]

for sure!

[@petedawborn]

Yes interesting Sam, in Hobart the local BYD dealer has been diligent and enthusiastic attending all our AEVA Tas events, whether they’re at the Hobart Show, a little show at a local shopping centre or at the recent larger EEE Expo at Princes Wharf! MG and Hyundai were absent though among many others

[@johnsmedley8843]

Don't agree mate, I drove an MG4, designed in covent garden, using the old mg brand name, so what, it's a brilliant car.

[@johnjkiwi7818]

Hi Sam. You made an excellent point. I would like to ask Luke Todd and David Smitherman from BYD Australia their reasons for BYD's non appearance at the EV show.

[@brynedisney7958]

BYD was there. He obviously didn't see every exhibit.

[@MGriff-q1i]

I have NEVER gone to an EV show. …… but I bought an MG4 late last year, waited for the colour to be delivered, got the discounted price reduction so added a home charger. Your assumption may be correct, but it’s not necessarily the main thing diving sales. The shows aren’t that well publicised and always seem to be in Sydney anyway.

[@vittomurner3467]

Thanks

[@electricviking]

Welcome

[@vittomurner3467]

@electricviking thank you 😊👍🏻

[@nfzeta128]

I think you have on blinders from your experiences. Car shows aren't where most buyers are.

[@Harrythehun]

Agreed, the enthusiast aren't not so many and won't drive sales. Ask them phone companies that listened blindly to fans and enthusiasts, those went bankrupt due to lack of sales. The regular Janes and Joes drive sales.

[@Chris-be1fo]

I partly agree. But there is a huge difference between seeing pictures and videos online and actually sitting in the different makes and models at a car show and examining the details especially if the brand lets you have a test drive while you’re at the show. Even if you don’t buy one you could be talking to friends and family about what you saw and they may end up getting interested enough to go online and check them out. I bought a Tesla in May this year but if I had already sat in that Zeekr 007 at the show before buying my Tesla, I may very well have waited for the Zeekr to come.

[@nfzeta128]

@@Chris-be1fo yes but you can see them other places than car shows. The lots when they come out. Advertisements, just seeing other people who drive them. As for your anecdote, would you have even gone to the car show? People who go to those already know of the models they're just there to see how they turned out and network.

[@Spade080]

Car shows are so last generation

[@zoransarin5411]

@@Spade080 I'm older than last generation and I found the show excellent. A car purchase is the second biggest purchase of your life behind your home. I think its a significant enough purchase that you are a fool if you don't sample the merchandise and at the very least, sit in one. This was an opportunity to sit in not just one, but more than a dozen, all in one spot. Not in multiple dealerships spread all over. I get the current generation loves internet purchases and the like, but there is a lot to be said for old school principles such as seeing the product up close and personal. Some of the cars on disply are not even in the country yet. So I would disgaree with you

[@techlock-trading]

BYD have way over (their words) 3,500 pre-orders on the Shark 6, they do not need an Auto show in ONE state of Australia going off those numbers. Travelling road shows across multiple states with a focus on their own product seems to be working very well for them.

[@glennmcc64]

I got my MG4 at the beginning of the year. Prior to that, the only MG I had driven was the 3, thought it was awful. With the 4 you wouldn't pick it was the same company. Still loving the car, it isn't big though, but we knew that.

[@Alex-l6d1f]

Yes BYD had a display there I don’t think MG were there though but they did display a Cyberstar Also I saw Polestar and Deepal building new showrooms in Artarmon, Sydney

[@corporatepsychobabble188]

MG has issues supplying parts and BYD sell via a distributor with one of the worst new car warranty. They both need to do better.

[@jasonjarvis7623]

I have purchased two EV's this year, one BYD and one GWM. My decision was not swayed by lack of motor show attendance. I don't think the general public even cares

[@sjdtmv]

Yes I was there thanks to Sam's free offer, I was wanting to see more from BYD and MG, I was disappointed on the level of new affordable to the average Joe Blow, and left after a few hours.

[@victorsvoice7978]

Get more affordable evs in Australia from China. Not everyone wants a seven-seat suv or huge pickup truck. Small city hatchbacks are needed. This market segment has been abandoned in Australia.

[@user-hz3eu5in]

So true. Its amazing how all these EV companies seem to not have a slightest clue what the market actually wants. Most of them start from big sedans. Sedans! Who wants a big sedan these days??? What most of the market wants is either small hatchback or a midsize SUV. I think midsize SUV is an absolute king. What is best selling Porsche? Macan. What is best selling Toyota? RAV4. You get the point. And look at Rivian. They started form big sedans, then big SUV. And successfully got themselves close to bankruptcy. And only now they are desperately rushing to release a midsize SUV to save the company from the brink. Why do this to yourself?

[@trythis2821]

@@user-hz3eu5in Profit driven decisions, small cars have less profit margin sadly therefore the likes of BYD are less inclined to offer the BYD Seagull as an example. There is no reason can't be successful as small EVs make up a large chunk of the Chinese car market.

[@MLF-kq8ut]

I think it's still much harder to get the range people want in a small hatchback and do so at an affordable price because of the battery density needed to provide good range in a small battery. That said I would be very happy if Australia got a version of the Wuling Mini EV so I could grab one as our second car.

[@zoransarin5411]

EVs are new and expensive to make. Take a look at Ford. Their EV business has lost $4 billion this year. They are all starting big as they need to start somewhere and financially it makes sense to start with higher priced vehicles. Even still most of the EV makers are losing money on their cars. No-one is going to build a small car and sell it for an enormous loss. They are all trying to work out how to build EVs in the first instance and then how to make profit on them. Even Tesla, the only car maker to make a profit besides BYD started at sports car (expensive), then large sedan (Models S), then large SUV (Model X) followed by what I would call medium sized sedan and SUV (3 and Y). Even Tesla hasn't got a small car yet. The segment hasn't been abandoned, it is just limited in size worldwide and loss making.

[@user-gil-e]

Globally car companies are abandoning the small car segments. EG: Ford no longer sell any four door passenger cars in Australia. Ford only sell oversized American style trucks, large SUVs and the Mustang. You can still get Mazda 3, which is Japanese built quantity and one of the most reliable cars on the market. There is also the 2 and the MX3.

[@dawebslave3571]

It could be the local dealer network who aren't interested or are busy to allocate resources. ...or it could be the kick backs for attending a show from BYD and MG are not good enough.

[@jf9979]

Tesla's thing was that if marketing didn't improve the product, why do it? It just added cost. Perhaps Chinese brands are taking a similar path.

[@hadtobe4502]

It is not just BYD and MG. Good luck trying to find a Zeekr showroom - none of their locations are even mentioned on their very own Australian website. I found one by chance reading the comments on a KZbin channel.

[@glennO-e9r]

There’s a Zeekr showroom in Canberra.

[@Banmuyuan]

Maybe it’s the local dealers who are reluctant to provide updates.

[@pragmatist165]

They probably haven’t got for example, a GOOD service history ( what is done in detail) regime so you can see what’s done drivers book. A comprehensive how to to,use, disable any it things that annoy available on an an app etc etc

[@rmyang9533]

There may be an old Chinese saying that good wine needs no bush.😂

[@ChongaiMongai]

BYD/MG might be going by similar lines of Oppo/Vivo where to outsmart competition they work on wafer thin margins on sales ..hence have no budget for sales promotion activities

[@mjcapinto]

I was in London on a popular shopping centre with Tesla and BYD showrooms. Tesla was full to the brim and no-one in BYD's... there is something Tesla have that others don't. Hype? Brand value? Innovation over price? Something is...

[@markuc]

Hype

[@protagonist9716]

BYD Will take over UK with a tsunami of product offering. They are going after VW and Toyota. They only have one hybrid Seal U. They will offer many more

[@SmdnSnnd]

@@mjcapinto the baggage of being a china car ... Even though teslas are also a china car, they are still seen as an American car, just made in China like an iphone. A byd is like a chinese phone like a oneplus. Also tesla is a proven brand, u don't hear many nightmare stories about the quality of their products. They've largely resolved their quality issues.

[@markuc]

@@SmdnSnnd it just takes time to change people's perception. If you have quality it'll shine through over time.

[@chjin1796]

@SmdnSnnd I don’t think a car that forces users to change their driving habits is very satisfying.

[@marcusrumm]

Not enough EV Charger vendors at the ev autoshow, was it cost that kept them away? I only saw MSI and AGL with chargers.

[@Driver6M]

I was excited at visiting the Melbourne show but I decided not to go because their were not enough brands attending. Wasn't worth it. Hopefully the show gets bigger next year.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

that is why they were giving away tickets.

[@andrewsaint6581]

They're here at Fully Charged UK shows

[@gzcwnk]

MG4 EV sales beat the model Y.....

[@LuckyM-l2u]

Agree, just making a good product is not enough, people have to know what is good about it, otherwise it will be like making it in vain🙃

[@hishamhallani5093]

Sam, BYD was at the show, please go back and check your own walk around video. I was at the show and saw BYD there I was surprised that they did not bring in the Shark.

[@robertgreen9614]

They're both building hybrids, so there's hope for BYD and MG sales yet.

[@AuntySooSoo394]

Thanks for the discounted ticket, Sam. Had a great time at the show. Shout out to the Zeekr dude for actively promoting the X. Didn't see as much enthusiasm from reps of other brands.

[@electricviking]

Awesome! Glad you enjoyed the show.

[@connclissmann6514]

Make cars desirable and after sales service good when needed and the stock will fly out of the lot. Accessibility and regular OTA updates as required is a part of that package. Car shows and traditional media advertising don't cut it for me. Owner referrals far higher power and owners will regret when their experience is positive.

[@35donnah]

I notice that at the Sydney show. But Tesla only had their fan club on display.

[@darrenparsons3686]

Ev car shows are a small number of people that go to look at cars. If you are interested you will go to have a look at the vehicle at that manufacturers dealer. That's what people are used to.

[@zorlacmc]

I grabbed the free tickets too. I also didn't see Hyundai there, not to mention Tesla just had the owners club rather than Tesla itself? Overall the number of cars was disappointing but I expect this to improve year on year.

[@garethl738]

I agree with you. Why would BYD and MG miss this golden opportunity to influence this group of product ambassadors and influencers? Seems remarkably arrogant of them

[@vittomurner3467]

We need a Ev show in Perth WA

[@kennethprocak5176]

I haven’t been to a car show since 2000. Not interested in seeing something they only sell overseas. And when l go to purchase l do the leg work and drive the vehicles lm interested in. What manufacturers have available is on their web sites with pricing. .

[@eds4743]

Shows are expensive for the exhibitors and with Australia being so large they have to spread themselves very thin. I attended the Sydney show and noticed both the companies that were and weren’t there. Hyundai, Mercedes Benz, MG, Polestar, Cadillac and some others weren’t there which was disappointing. I came with specific interest which was to see XPeng G9 and was happy to give it a once over. It was good to quickly compare it with KIA EV9 - both large SUVs. Then had a great time sitting in most other cars that were there. Cadillac has a show room now in Rosebery (Sydney, NSW) which was convenient for me to attend a day later. Australia is a relatively small potato in terms of the auto market, but I appreciated the effort of the suppliers and the dealers to showcase some of their current and upcoming EVs

[@uzziman9659]

Byd was there? I went on sunday.

[@deliawood1]

They dont care about the right hand drive models if they did they would do a software mod to the infotainment systems to make the often used controls closer to the driver. Not leave it in the original left hand drive mode.

[@AGuyIn]

MG was there with the Cyberster! BYD was there with three cars 😮 did you mean not having staff?

[@simon-c2y]

Also Tesla. Car shows once upon a time were where you saw new stuff from everyone. But it's a bit disappointing when manufacturers don't turn up.

[@DaveDVideoMaker]

One of my followers sent me a photo of an MG Cyberster at last month’s Sofia Auto Show. The Cyberster that was showcased at the show was not brought in by MG Motor but rather an electric charging station company that operates in Bulgaria. MG is unfortunately still not coming to Bulgaria. That Cyberster might have been the first in the Balkans to be fair.

[@deanervik]

Because the show stands are super expensive and no sales usually eventuate

[@tomdanby2]

Everyone wants to sit in the cars, reach the controls and imagine themselves on the road. Not being there is a big mistake, as you say….

[@stephenfilmer4171]

BYD probably didn't want 12,000 Atto 3 owners asking them why between Melbourne and Brisbane they had less than half the choice of public fast DC chargers compared to every other CCS2 plugged EV in Australia.

[@vrealzhou]

BYD is always bad in marketing, even in China.The whole company is totally in an engineer mindset.

[@jxmai7687]

BYD 元， 这么丑的内衬设计，不知道他们里面谁拍脑袋想出来的，看来没有做市场调查缺乏和用户对话，本来SUV应该是最畅销的车型，看看满大街的MG，长城，奇瑞，但就是缺比亚迪。

[@ChristopherJones-qm2nw]

...and then there's re-sale value... Oops, that's right... We don't talk about that in EV forums, do we?

[@AlGreenLightThroughGlass]

They need to be able to repair their vehicles, which is a problem at the moment

[@peterdemestre7750]

I believe that only a small fraction of buyers attend Auto exhibitions as part of their Decision-making process. BYD and MG are both solid brands that are market leaders in this country. I think their biggest mistakes have been lowering their prices which motivates their customers to keep their cars longer as opposed to upgrading to a new vehicle. For example, right now, after paying $52,700 sixteen months ago, the new price is $43,160, which includes a free wall charger and the $3,000 BYD Blackout Festival discount. Let's see how their New Car sales are performing in 1-2 years when a lot of their customers will be ready to upgrade but are discouraged by the ultra poor return on investment.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

this is the price we pay for being 'early adopters' of new tech, I have had my MG for 2 years now and it has been faultless. It is good for picking up the grandkids from school knowing the car does not have harmful tailpipe emissions. Plus the fact it is quiet and very cheap to run, just plug it at home with the supplied granny charger one a week. I do not feel the need to trade it in at the moment, as it has all the modern safety features like other brands. The newest ones however seem to bong a lot more, and you have to turn them off each time if you don't like them.

[@BrentonSmythesfieldsaye]

You understand that we are in the well progressed beginnings of a transition, a disruption, correct? Early adopters that understand this are fully aware of the "value proposition" and the reality is that no one really needs to undate their vehicle every two years. That is a personal choice, not a neccessity! By the way have you seen the second hand EV lsitings online? Some of the prices are outrageous, to the point a new EV is a genuinely viable option.

[@brandon-hh7jf]

MG became the highest selling EV in Australia outselling Tesla.........without going to enthusiast shows. So there's more to getting brand presence than pleasing the enthusiasts. Getting them present on the road in view of the average car buyer is more important.

[@KorAllRBare]

Is an All-electric show coming to Victoria? if so, we Victorians "err-yeah you Sydney siders" may have been significantly short changed, but now that more manufactures are now aware of how powerful these shows can be, We can only hope us Victorians and other interstaters via KZbinrs like The Electic Viking can get on board and attend these shows, After all it's a no brainer it's these shows and KZbinrs like Electric Viking is what significantly increases Sales for very little investment..

[@Magpie_Ian]

Strongly disagree mate. The car industry is going the same way as consumer electronics. To the young and old buyers, MG a pedigree name, good looks and cheap = sales.

[@MrLeslloyd]

I've done 3 trips from northern Queensland down to NSW and once Victoria in the last 18 months and have only sighted 1,yes one charging point,ever.Even asked attendants when they intend installing them,too expensive to rip up concrete and install wiring.These EV's are city cars for the foreseeable future.

[@zoransarin5411]

According to the Australia Bureau of Statistics, the average vehicle in Australia travels 12,100 km per year, or 33.2 km per day. EVs will work well for the vast majority of people. No product is designed for everybody's circumstances.

[@mickjoebills]

Keeping prices down by not spending $$ on advertising and trade events has served Tesla well. BYD Ford and Kia were at Melbourne. New ev owners will surely want to test drive anyway, the days of going to a trade show to see minor cosmetic changes has limited value if you haven’t driven one. Nope, they should prioritise $$$ on test drives not trade shows.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

I notice the test drives were very popular with the 'everything electric' shows.

[@mickjoebills]

@ good point

[@tyskigolf]

Tesla wasn't at the Everything Electric/Fully Charged show last year in Vancouver. This year they came.

[@dtnjnq]

I thought that I saw some BYD cars there on your walk around video

[@zcalvin80]

I believe all that issues are because of geopolitical reason, they don’t believe Australia government, they’d rather move forward slowly.

[@singlok3214]

You said BYD and MG made mistakes for not showing up at EV car show. The statistics for Q1 2024 in Australia showed Tesla was the number 1 seller, followed by BYD in second place and MG third place. They rely on value for money with plenty of standard equipments, and long warranty sales. A lot of Australians can't afford expensive EV. Cost of living is so high now. There is a good chance expensive EV from traditional prestigious car makers are not doing well.

[@kirotodorov4397]

Petrol engine doesn't have any impressions for Chinese people who have only bicycle as a transportation 20 years ago.

[@chrischen2389]

MG tops the sales chart and left Tesla MY behind last month, 1000 more mg4 sold😂

[@davidboskett5581]

This is a very strange as from my understanding both BYD and MG are very prominent at car shows in other countries.Australia is still very small market for them Though in saying that Australia is one market which they can easily dominate as Australia has no car industry

[@edvoon]

But I saw some BYD cars there - unless they were brought by another exhibitor other than BYD? MG was notable by its absence, only having the cyberster on display with no context. Then there are the Europeans - Renault, VW (yes I know Audi was there, what about Skoda? VW itself?)Peugeot, Cupra? Actually Tesla as usual aren’t there either, but they always show up anyway because proud owners always bring them.

[@craigmcclure1819]

Prestige brands don't discount there product by 10 to 20 percent. That ruins the brand and the asset

[@karinemardon9508]

How about price reduction by BYD (and other Chinese car companies) already lost $7k in few months since bought the car????

[@neilleggoe8647]

And how many cars have BYD sold in Australia without advertising?

[@Camus886]

Too many

[@RebelON-d4l]

Im going to Australia soon as I get passport

[@davidandrews8007]

How about the story police using starlink in western australia.

[@leonkernan]

MG Australia hides behind their dealer network, that's not a good thing. They need to be way more proactive.

[@anthonybugge5220]

No way top 3. Ev sales have peaked

[@good2freelance1]

I have bad experience for yearly car service from BYD in Australia, i don't think its BYD's fault but the car service companies fault. When i booked the car for service at 9am, why can't they service the car at 9am or half hour after, instead they leave the car in the parking area for 3 or 4 hours and said the car maybe ready at 2pm. This is Not acceptable considering you booked a certain time for the service.

[@Driver6M]

That's normal for any brand. There are some service departments that offer a 'while you wait' option but most customers drop their cars in the morning and pick them up at the end of the day.

[@deliawood1]

That always happened to me with both Ford and Holden over the years, so no change there.😢

[@good2freelance1]

​@@deliawood1 That is not acceptable. It sort of wasted the whole day for a car service.

[@remakeit2628]

A very very very small proportion of people ever get to any car show, let alone an EV car show. BYD would be far better off getting on something like Sunrise on Ch 7 like Leap Motor did today. Exposure to tens of thousands of people in a better way than most other forms of media. The problem with influencers is that they mostly preach to the converted. While the opposite, like John Cadogan, has a massive ICEv fan base.

[@mickzed6393]

Car shows have not been a thing in AUS for years now. But making a comeback with the Melbourne Motor show next year and hopefully continuing. As a car person, i want motor shows for all cars, not just EV's. Having said this, not sure how effective expensive to run car shows are, given the internet/ social media/ U tube channels predominant role these days. Was Tesla there?

[@ForPopli]

"Just one word for you, Benjamin, hydrogen."

[@Dave5843-d9m]

I followed a BYD Seal the other day. Oh my goodness, that thing is ugly. Why anyone with the cash for a BYD Seal does not get a Tesla is anyone’s guess. MG cars are everywhere but for how long? Residual values will drop like lead balloons. Not to mention long term service and spares backup.

[@R0WDY]

I will need to see many years of reliability before i ever by a Chinese made EV

[@rozonoemi9374]

Did you see Tesla at the show? I mean the Company? 😊

[@atlaspath5803]

BYD and MG can only do this with better prices, more features and excellent service! There cars are just average at best! Like vinegar not wine with age there ownership will be a bitter experience. Only good it you buy new and keep trading in before the warranty up and not be a bagholder!

[@richardbull5561]

Bit early to say that about MG's EV's. They have a 10 year warranty but not many EV owners (early adopters) keep their cars for long anyway. I'll trade mine in way before warranty ends for something nicer/ with newer tech.

[@thyristo]

Guess BYD has more interest in expanding in the potential car market in Asian countries (excluding China, Japan, India and South Korea) which can grow by 125 million. Also: Slavic countries, on the African continent, in South and Central America as well as Mexico. Australia is not a big goal of BYD.

[@kamsunleong6648]

You have a point here. For example here in Malaysia, BYD is the best selling ev brand, outselling Tesla and everyone else. It could be due to the commitment put in by their exclusive distributor to aggressively push the brand. Like opening their 3S centres( sales, service and spare parts) all over the country. As well as organizing get togethers with their customers whenever they achieved a milestone in sales.

[@serpserpserp]

Was Tesla at the EV show?

[@zoransarin5411]

No it wasn't

[@danielodey7775]

I wouldn't buy a cheap foreign EV, I'd probably pay the extra money and buy a brand I know like KIA or Mazda.

[@limitedmark]

While Working for a Chinese company on an engineering level , and seen the working ethic for quality and reliability, I cant think of anything more horrific than Driving or relying on a Chinese vehicle. 😞

[@Ray-tc5zc]

Apart from your "engineering level" work, perhaps spend a bit time learning critical thinking?

[@limitedmark]

@Ray-tc5zc Sorry buddy, I work for the chinese , I have seen the quality of materials and spares they bring to the industries, they don't work for reliability, just replace . Disposable mentality .

[@kamsunleong6648]

​@@limitedmark There are many BYD ev taxis still running around the city of Shenzhen( home city of BYD HQ) since their public transport system went fully electrified back in 2017. Some have clocked up hundreds of thousands of km in mileage without having to change their batteries.Since the degradation rate is less than 20%. You can fact-check this.

[@limitedmark]

@kamsunleong664 batteries have never been an issue for BYD that is what they make. The workmanship from the Chinese is not a Issue, the build quality is not an issue. The sum of its components built to price at the cost of quality is the issue. This is nothing new in industry, we have seen it before .

[@mickjoebills]

@@limitedmark the Chinese use European robots. The EV factories are purpose built for EVs. They learnt from a decade of hosting VW, BMW, Mercedes and Ford building ice cars efficiently to the high standards of those marques. Then they pivoted to making EVs, building on what they had learnt and with help from the likes of Sandy Munro and funded by Buffett and Morgan Stanley. Euro Designers from Audi Alfa ex were hired. This was happening in parallel with Tesla who are ahead of everyone. Do tell me, which parts of the Chinese auto manufacturing process is shoddy? Tear downs of Chinese vehicles are leaving American manufacturers shell shocked (checkout Autoline network or the recent interview with CEO of Ford )

[@justinhongau]

I totally agree you

[@Helloworldwrjfjrjrj]

I do it’s called subversion they hope all the marketing people driving around in the cars will create the illusion that they’re popular and they will have to spend money on advertising. It’s arrogance. Also they throw away cheaply made and won’t last of course. Mostly like MG the brands are trying to capitalize on stolen brands bought a cheap prices during the 80s with people who think it’s really in MG when it’s not.

[@crosslink1493]

I don't know about other countries where they are sold, but Tesla does no advertising here in the USA, which sounds similar to the responses below about BYD and MG. At least I've never seen any in magazines, on billboards, at movie theaters, nor here on KZbin or anyplace else on the web. Tesla dominates the market in the USA for EVs, but their sales rate has slowed so they may have to start a robust marketing and advertising division to gain new customers and keep cars moving since all the 'first adopter' fanboys have had their craving satisfied, and they need to come out with new models. I might go to the Los Angeles Auto Show in 2025 and see what's available, whether ICE, EV, or a hybrid of some sort. FWIW: MG being a Chinese brand of EV is kind of repulsive to me since I remember that as an iconic British automotive company.

[@ladygracienyc2029]

Not going to the car shows is not a critical mistake. There's always next year. And the cost of exhibiting is relatively cheap compared to media advertising. But nothing more valuable than word of mouth

[@orza1]

Tesla never turns up to car shows. Only volunteers from the owners club.

[@daweigo6851]

Only enthusiasts go to car shows, they sell more cars by buyer's seeing the cars on the road,

[@surfer123au]

Because they compete on price only. In terms of features and design they fall behind. They will not stand out in shows, quiet the opposite.

[@Camus886]

byd was there,But MG wasn't there

[@leedaq7767]

Waiting for Kia ev3