BYD ATTO 3 - Full Review, Road Test & All You Need to Know

[@TheBronx_911]

Derek you need to update your info on the pricing. The top model is €41k. The Tesla model 3 is cheaper. The next model down is €39k. You haven’t added the €1950 dealer chargers to your pricing commentary.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Noted Keith and I'll pin your comment

[@toyotaprius79]

Dealer charges or dealer chargers??

[@jingsongyang876]

Tesla model 3 is a sedan, Atto 3 is a SUV, apple to orange, no?

[@TheBronx_911]

@@jingsongyang876 atto 3 is a small cross over. Certainly no SUV.

[@whatthe6532]

@@jingsongyang876 True much more passenger seating comfort than the 3.

[@nnoonan9514]

Great car really happy with our purchase, owner from NZ. Fantastic to drive, qualify is impressive when viewing. Price is much cheaper in NZ. Driving distance around 480-500km around town 380-420 open rd. Towing 750kg, battery lithium iron phosphate ( blade battery) one of the safest batteries in production, don't listen to garbage about fires by internet trolls only heating up to 30-60 degress when exposed to the atmosphere.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks for the comment N and great to hear from actual owners. Looking forward to getting it for a longer drive soon

[@nnoonan9514]

@@NevoEVReviewIreland Welcome! We're really happy with the Atto 3, had from late August last year.

[@slo007]

SO quiet!! Very impressive.

[@nikkipedro]

Thanks for this, watching from Australia, cheers.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks for the comment RoRo. Glad you enjoyed it

[@patrycja25irlandia]

I love the rotating screen

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Me too and found it very useful depending on what I was doing

[@pastachannel1193]

Great details in both small front panel display and the big rotating side screen. I personally prefer Portrait to landscape view. Even the Tesla doesn't have front up display and you have to look sideways to check the speedometer. BYD has nailed the infotainment section. 🥳

[@pastachannel1193]

owned one in Australia for few months. My thoughts the inside is revolutionary, the strings, the rotating screen, colour schemes etc actually works better than drab grey interiors you find in most cars. Plenty of room inside and boot area so comfort levels are not bad. Minor peeves that it is a bit heavy and in spite of adequate power, you can't call it sporty. The pedestrian warning eg. the whizzing sound that kicks in at low speed takes some getting used to. It comes with rubbish cheap tyres and first thing you should do it is change them to something better of similar specs as it will improve your driving experience a lot. Overall not a bad car as you will save a lot of dough compared to other brands in the market.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks for the comment! Great to hear from owners! The pedestrian warming sound definitely takes getting used to.

[@Eran10001]

In the beginning the pedestrian warning sound didn't bother me at all. But since I've started to drive the vehicle as an Uber car, it literally started to do my head in. I then saw on another review how easy it was to disconnect it, only took 3 minutes, and wow what a huge difference it made. It's not mandatory to have it in Australia, so I thought it's worth being extra careful in a shopping centre car park. It now sounds like a an EV should and that means quiet 👍

[@象牙山小诸葛]

As a Chinese very happy to see BYD finally settled on Irish market, but Atto3 (Yuan) is not the top range of BYD cars, I will skip Atto 3 and waiting for Tang or Han introduce in Ireland probably next year. But the price is a little bit harder to accept regarding the original price in China😅. Already saw couple of times Atto 3 on the road from last month.🎉

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Starting to see more and more of them around!

[@jimsshed2587]

Top looking car Derek I'm very impressed

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

I agree Jim. Hope the 2 EV household is going well.

[@Phaedra808]

When I test drove it I said “BYD open sunroof “ and hey presto it opened. Nice car. Level 2 on the scale of dreams.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Voice control was very good for sure

[@desobrien7357]

Thanks Derek. Never realised that it is competing with M3. Des

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

On price it looks like it

[@JorgeniLund]

A brilliant summation, as usual. I have seen some reviews of various Chinese models that had clear problems in winter road conditions. Sensors that cannot get blocked, adaptive functions that get problems and heat problems in the passenger compartment. Would be interesting if you got a long-term test with the car and could see how the Atto 3 copes with the Irish requirements.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

I can only ask and that's for the comment.

[@oceanfroggie]

BYD look set to sweep the boards in the BEV market especially with their luxury interior finish and superb traditional control layout with proper physical buttons and knobs. Good factual review Derek as ever. 80kw CCS seems the only drawback. You like the pine forest as a film location. Why would anybody buy a smaller model 3 saloon car when this quality is available in a larger CUV format with a quality interior and better driver ergonomics. All the gizmos included too.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

It's going to be interesting Noel for sure. I wonder will the fast charging speed be upgraded or do they know better? Ha, it's a nice location I think 🤔

[@oceanfroggie]

@@NevoEVReviewIreland Did my first orienteering comp there in the 1970s

[@andrewcaffrey1730]

I think it's good value for money. I don't like the pocket strings but everything else is value for money. Beats MG! Bang for buck.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks Andrew for the comment. Obviously the Tesla price point is not far away too

[@MrGMawson2438]

Great review mate

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks

[@ElectricCarAustralia]

Top EV and big seller down this way. 👍 Launch was a bit wobbly with the local importer so Customer experience wasn't great at the start.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

How many on the roads at this point or have they much new EV sales percentage?

[@ElectricCarAustralia]

@@NevoEVReviewIreland Second best selling EV after Tesla :)

[@russvhill2]

I drove this car at Fully Charged and found it a nice car, but after speaking with you and Elliott Richards, I think I'll wait for the smaller Seagull with it's new chemistry battery.

[@honesty_-no9he]

The LFP battery in the ATTO 3 is a better chemistry.

[@lukeecle117]

Both are good

[@russvhill2]

​​@@honesty_-no9he, is that something you learnt from watching You Tube, or do you work for BYD and know what you're talking about? :)

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Good to meet you Russ. If a smaller car will suit your needs the Seagull may be perfect but I've yet to drive it

[@Safety1stDrivingSchoolDublin]

Does it have iSmart app ilke the MG ZS? Blindspot but what other safety features? Front and rear heated seats? Small off centre screen is very strange. Is Apple Car Play and Android Auto wireless? No Android Auto? I'm ANDROID. Looks a good contender for Irish EV Market. Definitely worth a teat drive.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

There is a BYD app too yes. Safety features include Driver's airbag, Front passenger's airbag with deactivation switch Front center airbag Front side airbag Front side air curtain Belt with pretensioner & force limiter Belt warning Panoramic viewer Blind Spot Detection (BSD) Electronic Stability Program (ESP) Integrated Park Brake (IPB) Traction Control System (TCS) Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD) Comfort Stop (CST) Hill Decent Control (HDC) Electric Parking Brake System (EPB) Automatic Vehicle Hold (AVH) Door Opening Warning(DOW) Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) & Intelligent Cruise Control (ICC) Intelligent Speed Limit Information (ISLI) & Intelligent Speed Limit Control (ISLC) Traffic Sign Recognition (TSR) Antilock Brake System (ABS) Forward Collision Warning (FCW) Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) Rear Collision Warning (RCW) Rear Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA) & Rear Cross Traffic Brake (RCTB) Lane Keep Assistance (LKA) Lane Change Assist (LCA) Emergency Lane Keep (ELK) 2 x Front parking radar 4 x Rear parking radar Direct tyre pressure monitoring system Mechanical child safety lock 2 x ISOFIX in outer rear seats & 1 x ISOFIX in front passenger seat Emergency call Both Carplay and Android Auto wireless

[@jjjnettie]

And one year later, there are 2nd hand models on the market now. I bought a 2022/23 model, already fitted with tow bar, waiting on delivery, so am watching all the Atto3 videos so I know what to expect. Happy to not to have had to take that initial depreciation hit.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Great to hear. For sure the 1st owner always takes the hit. Congrats. What colour are you going for?

[@jjjnettie]

@NevoEVReviewIreland Mine is the blue. Stoked that the car comes with the towbar and space saver spare. Saves me having the bother to do myself.

[@colingoode3702]

I had a test drive in an Atto3 a few weeks ago (in England) & agree with nearly everything you said in your review. It's a very well spec'd car with a Heat Pump as std across the range & that safer LFP Blade battery. However, the absence of auto wipers is a bit strange. The problem I have with this, & every other EV on sale in the UK, is the price. This car sells for £10,000 less in Australia & NZ (& even less in some other countries) so why so much more in the UK & in Ireland? I'm looking to get our 1st EV later this year but it won't be a new one. A 1 or 2 year old Kona is what I will be looking for which should be £16k less than the price of a new one & maybe even less once the new Kona goes on sale in the summer. The Atto 3 might be a good used buy in a year or two but it's too new for me to consider this time around.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

I think they are looking to see what each market can take price wise and unfortunately both the UK and Ireland are willing to pay more. 😔

[@slo007]

We also have the VRT duty in Ireland

[@colingoode3702]

@@NevoEVReviewIreland Not sure about that because I haven't seen many Atto 3's on the road in the UK, & I live near a BYD dealership. Further to my post above we got a 1 year old '22 plate top spec 64kWh Kona EV last year for less than half of what it was new so circa £12k less than a new Atto 3. I admit the Kona is smaller than the Atto 3 but that was exactly what we we looking for & used EV's are so much better value. Cost to change with our trade in 19 plate Karoq was £3,500 & we've probably saved over £2,500 in petrol costs this last year across our two ICE cars one of which we still have. Not used a public charger yet either.

[@TheRocky3211]

Great content as usual . 👌 Did it have driver profiles , in the same way tesla does with seats , mirrors , settings ect ?

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

I only had it for a very short time unfortunately but will have it again in a few weeks

[@MegaHorse7]

Derek as regards the dash cam, where or who told you that we will have it included, thanks.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Just checked and it's not standard in Ireland yet!

[@Andydwyer99]

The synthetic pedestrian warning is up to 30 kph , can be unplugged easily ( obviously controversial) or a bit of tape over the speaker to reduce the noise inside. No auto windscreen wiper. Has a built in dash cam , slot for mini sd card under the floating console, video has no sound. The voice controls are very impressive, extensive list of commands.

[@mtumasz]

I’m afraid the pedestrian warning sound is mandatory on all EV’s past 2019(?). You might disable it but you might be also screwed in case of accident or passing any govt mandated annual test (we have these in Poland, I’m sure they exist in Ireland too)

[@Andydwyer99]

@@mtumasz i am not sure of the legal standing in Ireland either but in Thailand, Australia and NZ ( where the Atto 3 is selling very well ) there’s currently no legislation to legalise the pedestrian warning so many have disconnected or reduced the volume. If BYD gave other sounds than the current 2 options, both very annoying, or reduced the volume it would be less controversial, have you heard it ?, it is very loud, a beeping sound would be preferable. I haven’t personally heard a similar sound on any EV, HEV, PHEV or even ICE !, all of which are silent at low speeds .

[@dxelson]

@@Andydwyer99 They should just give a V8 sound optoin hahah

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks all and really appreciate extra details Andrew. I have it again in a few weeks to give it a bit more testing.

[@Andydwyer99]

@@NevoEVReviewIreland look into the voice commands, it’s a very extensive list and saves you fiddling with the screen when driving, especially good for air con/heating controls, radio stations and volume plus making phone calls if your phone is connected to the car.

[@gerrymurphy3037]

do we get the built in dash cam like they do in australia?

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Yes we do I'm told. Apologies, I didn't have a lot of time with the car but it's definitely in the head unit and I'm told the SD card holder is there too. No audios, just video

[@gerrymurphy3037]

@@NevoEVReviewIreland can you tell me where you got that information please, as BYD are telling me we dont get it ?

[@brendanoreilly4846]

concerned that some garages in Ireland are refusing to take Evs in as trade ins as they devalue too quickly ,and one report about a car dealer in Wicklow are getting and increase in buyers of Evs who have regretted buying them are looking to trade back to diesel or petrol cars...

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks for the invite Brendan. If you have an EV to trade in ,let me know I have a list of dealers looking for them. The Wicklow dealer is an interesting one as EV sales are up year on year? EVs are definitely a purchase for an educated driver for sure.

[@colddiesel]

Good review, not much to add except that price in Oz is significantly cheaper than in Europe. Don't know why.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks. Maybe the market here can take the price? 🤷‍♂️

[@slaphostel9588]

Shipping costs perhaps...

[@GDM22]

Australia has a free trade agreement with China.

[@Jugisa1]

Great car

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks for the comment

[@silveriver9]

The pattern on the silver panels at the side of the car exterior are to resemble dragon scales.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Ah yes! Thanks for the comment

[@boojing617]

It is much nicer in the flesh than on the video or photos. It has V2L and all the toys you need.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

One definitely to be viewed in person for sure

[@whatthe6532]

Great attention to detail. That twisted drivers display is annoying. Mini has the same problem.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks for the comment. I'm getting it again and will bring it on a longer spin

[@MrGMawson2438]

Very nice BYD

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

I like it too

[@dxelson]

I think BYD shoul offer atto3 with 2 options, comfort/lower handling (default/chinese) suspensions, and sport/higher handling suspensions (preferred by european/western costumers)

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Interesting point! I wonder will they?

[@nicolab2081]

I like the pedestrian warning noise, perhaps not that exact whine but something to let people know you're there. I've had a few people just step out in front of me, usually when I've just turned left onto a road and not picked up speed yet. I nearly took out Mario Rosenstock a couple of years ago which would have been a cultural catastrophe for the nation.

[@TheBronx_911]

Mandatory on all new EV’s now a days.

[@sharonec5419]

@Nicole B not at all. You would have done the whole nation a favour by taking him out lol. In all seriesness do if you were only picking up speed you probably would have just slightly injured him or broke on arm or a leg and ye would be having a good laugh about it now and be best friends if ye are not already friends.

[@edcadwell]

Any idea if it's suitable for taxi market Derek?

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

I'd say so yes. No rear tinted windows and a decent boot.

[@philhalpin4882]

I'm currently in the process availing of the BYD for taxi use in Ireland,I'd resigned myself to continue using my Prius until I received a phonecall out of the blue from the motor dealer,I think the NTA are a bit slow to passing them as taxis but it'll happen no doubt.

[@edcadwell]

@@philhalpin4882 cheers Phil, keep me updated. Nice car, best of luck

[@philhalpin4882]

Picked up my Atto3 last week,passed as a taxi on Tues...all good.....but Spotify has stopped working since Fri June 30th...BYD North are saying to use mobile hotspot to connect.....no explanation as to why it just stopped,I did read that in Australia that they came with a 4g similar card...clearly it expires after a period of time.

[@Eran10001]

I've been using my Atto 3 for about 10 weeks now and I've travelled over 13000 kms without any drama whatsoever. It's a great car to drive for long periods of time, very comfortable and very cheap to run. So my advice to anyone thinking is the car up to the test of being driven on a commercial basis. Hell yeah 👍

[@sammybuddy8584]

Is the range to be belevef

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Real world nearer 330km to 350km

[@chris-ryan]

How does it stack up against the vw id4?

[@shaolinhai1990]

In the fiercely competitive electric vehicle market in China, almost no one will choose ID4

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks for the question Chris. ID.4 is the next size up in my opinion along with being a household brand in Europe so very difficult to compare

[@Eran10001]

I heard on multiple reviews that the entire VW range of Ev's have multiple software issues that haven't been addressed for a couple of years. Just google it and you can judge for yourself.

[@centralkingdom8141]

They are value of money in Asia but not cheap Europe.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Definitely comparable to European prices. More competition needed

[@hansbrnmo3918]

BYD have missed their mark with pricing. The top model should have been max 37 and the lower model around 34. Then these would have been flying off the shelves. I have test driven this car twice, and the car is good - but not 41K good.....

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks for the comment Hans. What will you go for instead?

[@hansbrnmo3918]

@@NevoEVReviewIreland Well, I would go for the Citroën c4/C4X.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Double tap 👍

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

I actually now think it's a swipe....😂

[@MrGMawson2438]

@@NevoEVReviewIreland lol

[@lucisleesion8824]

I ken it, and I prefer BYD Han over the ATTO3.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

The Han is beautiful 😍

[@lucisleesion8824]

@@NevoEVReviewIreland Is Han considered to be a luxury car? They are so expensive.

[@TassieEV]

Always a Fanboy of a certain Billionaire's EV company, must be part of the congregation, in the comments. ;) In Australia it has a 750kg towing capability so weird why Ireland doesn't have it the same. As you know it was the Yuan Plus in China, probably still is actually. Has that Dragon face and the scales on the outside of the c-pillar. There is also a NFC card you can use as the key plus the App but take either NFC or Key fob as has been found can lock the car with your phone in the car and then not be able to get back in. Interesting you have the 3 trims we have only one which is basically the top level trim in Ireland, can only pick colour, red is my favourite colour. No rain sensing wipers unfortunately sorry Derek. Small dig at Kia/Hyundai with the rear wiper comment eh. ;) (hehe)

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks for the comment and info! I rushed this video and didn't do all my usual research 😭

[@micon9448]

I hear that the cars are good but spare parts can take a long time to arrive.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Hadn't heard that but let me make some enquiries

[@MegaHorse7]

Is android auto installed yet

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Not toy knowledge

[@GDM22]

Android Auto has been added in Australia and is wireless

[@ismaelmagalhaes3336]

Portugal

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Thanks for watching!

[@MartinaGorgas-bh2kc]

Hi is it nice a car for the value of money

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

I think so too

[@BasicElectricalKnowledge535]

বাংলাদেশ থেকে নেয়া যাবে।।🤔

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Potentially!

[@MegaHorse7]

I think you need to do a more in-depth review, its far from a full review.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Getting it again in a few weeks. Thanks for the suggestion. What else would you like to see covered?

[@MegaHorse7]

@@NevoEVReviewIreland the built-in dash cam or lack thereof,, the android auto situation, the warranty and what is covered including the 2 year tyre and wiper replacement, the SIM service, .thanks

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

Will do.

[@croiglas]

either that guy is huge or that car is very small

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

I'm 188cm / 6'2"

[@Dunroamin1952]

Apperently they burn well.

[@NevoEVReviewIreland]

I had heard BYD batteries were pretty safe

[@Dunroamin1952]

@@NevoEVReviewIreland I think you need to do more research into BYD in china

[@murraynickel6377]

Haha! Yes it does pay to do the research. The video I saw of BYD fires had so many factual errors I decided to do more research myself. In the video the narrator tries to identify the burning models but gets it wrong more than right. This was my first clue that it was poorly researched. It was a very emotive video that was light on facts. Eg: number of fires per 10000 BYD EVs on the road in China vs (for example) Tesla in USA. It would be easy to put together an equally scary video of Tesla's catching fire, or diesel vehicles, etc but without comparative numbers it's a bit meaningless. Here's what I understand after trying to research this a bit: 1. BYD has been making BEVs and PHEVs in China for quite a few years, beginning with the E6 in 2009. 2.Until the last 3 years or so, all their BEVs used NMC type batteries and they have just recently begun to launch LFP versions of their PHEV models. 3. BYD has until very recently sold more PHEVs in China each month than BEVs and all these PHEVs used NMC batteries. 4. So most of their vehicles on the road in China will have the less safe NMC chemistry. 5. All of their exports to Europe, Australia etc have LFP Blade batteries, which BYD have proven to be much safer - see their nail penetration test comparison video of NMC vs LFP Blade battery. 6. The video I saw showed mainly Tang and Han fires. Although these models are sold in Europe and elsewhere, people may not be aware that they are not EV-only models in China. All of the Han vehicles shown, except one, where PHEVs with NCM batteries as they had front grilles which the BEV version doesn't have. The narrator fails to point this out, so viewers could easily assume these are the same as the ones coming to Europe. With the one BEV Han model shown on fire I couldn't tell whether it was a newer version with the LFP battery or an older NMC version. Until very recently all BYD Tang's had a front grille so it isn't so easy to know whether those shown were BEV or PHEV versions, but based on the sales dominance of the PHEV in China and the predominance of the PHEV version of the Han in the video I would guess that most of the Tang fires shown were also PHEV versions with NMC batteries. 7. One of the Han models shown was strangely identified by the narrator as an Atto 3 (Yuan Plus in China). One of the burning Tang models was also identified as an Atto 3. These obvious errors were inexcusable and obviously misleading. 8. It showed another SUV fire the narrator identified as an Atto 3 (Yuan Plus in China). This was actually a BYD Yuan, which DOES look very similar from the front but is actually a smaller, older model and has a somewhat truncated rear compared to the Atto 3 (Yuan Plus). It is not a BEV-only platform so the PHEV version will have NMC battery chemistry and probably the older versions of the BEV model do too. This looked like an older version of the Yuan (there has been a minor facelift in newer versions) so is most likely an NMC battery. 9. Why is this distinction between LFP and NMC batteries important? Because aside from a few old BYD E6's that were imported into the UK Taxi/ride share fleet, all BYD exports to Europe, Australia etc have been with LFP Blade batteries and testing has shown these to be much safer. The BYD Dolphin has been for sale in China for over a year and the Yuan Plus for at least two years but, despite claims to the contrary, the video I saw shows no fires in either of these popular models. These are both EV-only platforms with only LFP Blade batteries since their launch. My conclusions: 1. The video I saw was high on hype and low on facts, full of errors, and - I suspect, deliberately misleading. 2. It's quite possible that BYD have a genuine issue with their NMC (Nickel Manganese Cobalt) batteries, especially those in their PHEVs. Although fires in these PHEVs could be started by issues in their petrol engines. We simply don't know. What we do know is that this is an issue within China only and so the video I saw was really relevant only to a Chinese audience. But it was clearly aimed at a western audience. 3. I think BYD deserve kudos for being the only EV brand to switch so rapidly and completely to LFP batteries. Tesla have moved model 3 and Y RWD/base versions to LFP but Long Range and Performance versions remain NMC. 4. If you want to make a video about battery fires that's relevant to the western audience then make one about LG EV batteries. LG Chem (or whatever they call themselves today) of Korea have by far the worst track record for battery fires and supply many major car manufacturers including GM, Ford, Hyundai, Kia - all of whom have had expensive and embarrassing recalls as a result (Chevy Bolt, Hyundai Kona, Ford Mach E, etc). So what have these responsible, trustworthy manufacturers done? Well, aside from Ford, they've continued their sourcing of NMC batteries solely from LG of course. Ford have diversified their sources and announced that they will switch to LFP batteries asap. Meanwhile LG have announced a multi-billion investment to switch all their manufacturing of batteries to LFP. Would they be doing that if they were 100% confident in the safety of their latest NMC batteries? I don't think so. Would I buy a new EV from Hyundai, Kia or GM? Absolutely not. Well done to BYD, Tesla, and Ford, who seem to care about their customers and their reputations. 5. Mix a little "fear-of-the-new" (BYD) with a little racism and you get a great click-bait formula and a viral video. Conversely, how many raving KZbin reviews of Hyundai Ioniq 5, Ioniq 6, Kia EV6, Kia Soul, Chevy Bolt, etc have raised a question over the safety of their LG batteries? Zilch.

[@RayDu]

@@Dunroamin1952 lol what about BYD in China, other than the fact that it is selling the largest number of EVs and PHEVs by far?

[@GDM22]

@@Dunroamin1952 So a lot of BYD Atto3 , Seals and Dolphins now sold in many countries, in pretty high volumes starting around 18 months ago. Find one reported traction battery fire,outside of China and come back here.