C.J. Alexander Poaching Indictment - EVIDENCE TO EXPECT AT TRIAL and CRIME SCENE RE-CREATION

In this episode I do a deep dive of the C.J. Alexander Ohio Trophy Buck Poaching case, reviewing the indictment charge by charge and speculating on the evidence the State of Ohio is likely to present to secure convictions for each charge, while re-creating the scene of the crimes using OnX maps.
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[@ceratium]

Wish I could hit the like button another few thousand times, for those who may have forgotten on the way out... I've watched many other videos about this, but this is the one I've been waiting for. Nicely presented👍

[@HuntSuburbia]

Thanks! I'll have a follow up soon as well! Stay tuned

[@Jsmo0529]

I’ve been waiting for a break down like this. Thanks man

[@RushOutdoors]

You have done a great job on the entire layout of the case thank you. We have done a couple podcast on this it is hard to find some of the info! Thanks for taking the time man again great job.

[@mcgovernoutdoors33]

This dude is absolutely a poacher!! You just showed that multiple times over multiple years he was hunting these properties!! What a shame for such a world class whitetail!!

[@goldenredemptionclark2]

How many bucks get killed on the highway every year social media has people so jealous when someone kills a big buck everyone thinks they own the deer because trail cam pics

[@hdelano11]

So so many red flags but what's more troubling is all those that said this fool was innocent.

[@mcgovernoutdoors33]

@@hdelano11 yea the whole thing sounded fishy to me!! For starters why leave your phone at home?? If something happens and you get hurt you’re absolutely screwed!! I always have my phone just in case!!

[@masterski03]

You absolutely killed this video !! You definitely put it out there like no one else. Hope to see a follow up on this after his court case ! Keep up the great work!

[@Bowguy_44]

Great video…I grew up outside of Wilmington but I don’t know the cj dude personally. After that first podcast he went on and after some of my own digging, I knew the deer wasn’t takin legally. I hope Ohio makes an example, I can’t stand a poacher.

[@Frontline-K9]

Hey Pat, killer coverage man. I was wondering where you’ve been. I haven’t seen any new podcasts or videos really but now we can see you’ve been busy as detective. Awesome work bud keep it up.

[@HuntSuburbia]

Thanks man! I have been so busy with Huntstock that the podcast has taken a bit of a backseat but I'll be back doing them fulltime when I can hire some help for Huntstock!

[@PoFolks_Capital]

His sisters property actually looks like a prime spot. One of the best spots i got is 10 acres and borders some railroad tracks. It looks just like that. Also its not uncommon like people think for a deer to cover 10 miles and in a short period of time. Idk whether the guy is guilty or not and haven't really looked into this case so dont flip out on me. Im just saying that property actually looks good and ive seen the same bucks on trail cams that are miles apart in the same day or night. Circumstantial evidence shouldn't be enough to convict a person of any crime. And i also question the political sway the people accusing a person might have.

[@charleszielke2634]

Great job breaking this down. I will say C.J. had me fooled, he is very convincing in his interviews. It is sad that this happens, I was really hoping he didn't poach that buck. He will have his day in court and if he is found guilty, he should get the maximum penalty.

[@birddog7492]

I feel the same way. innocent until proven guilty. I would say if guilty he needs a harsh sentence for fraud and lies told on top of the illegal hunting practice.

[@hdelano11]

More or less he's done this a few times. He's a seasoned lair in other words. You eventually get good at making things up after time

[@treyclary8248]

When you showed on the map, how close C.J's apartment was to where The deer was allegedly shot versus where the sister's property is......... that did it for me

[@craigholland2274]

It's on the other side of town but 5 miles as crow flies.

[@HuntSuburbia]

@@craigholland227410.4 miles as the crow flies. Probably 15 miles on the hoof for a buck.

[@craigholland2274]

@@HuntSuburbia From his apartment on south ridge off 68 to the landfill or lt land development probably a 5 min drive . Maybe less than 5 miles from where he lives to where he killed it

[@HuntSuburbia]

@@craigholland2274 oh yes, sorry I was thinking between his sisters and the Landrum land. From his apartment to the Landrum land it is 1.12 miles as the crow flies.

[@dogsoldier7779]

CJ & his entire circle he runs with have an established reputation of trespassing, spot lighting, stealing stands & cameras. They’re main claim to fame around there is they trespass onto County owned & Municipal owned properties that do not allow hunting. It’s just really hard knowing his established reputation to believe he could be innocent. Its not a surprise at all he was charged with these crimes, plus he was obsessed with becoming famous in the hunting community & making a name for himself.

[@chriswigington1572]

@dogsoldier he definitely made a name for him self lol!!

[@zzz7zzz9]

i was up in the air, as to his guilt or innocence. mostly, based off the fact an DA was using his influence to go after him. but i had never seen any maps showing the areas or anything. the moment you brought up the maps, and showed all the properties and locations, i instantly decided he's 100% guilty. it's mind-boggling that he is so stupid, yet thinks he was so smart.

[@chriswigington1572]

Thanks for the video!!

[@longrangecrypto380]

iphones get everyone caught....

[@jeremycavaretta1035]

Great job breaking it down. I’ll see you at Hunt Stock NY. I’ll be working the event.

[@-SkiDz-]

The hunting industry will never be the same the internet, sponsors fame celluar camera ect has ruined it wish i could travel back in time before all of that the internet makes everyone think they're "pros"

[@monsterhog1118]

Getting someones cellphone data because they are accused of shooting a deer on property without permission is scary

[@underdogoutdoors]

Great overview! How many C.J.'s are out there that we don't know about! Subscribed, I hunt NY, NJ, & Maryland's eastern shore, film some of my hunts & posted on KZbin, looking forward to following you online!

[@HuntSuburbia]

Thanks! Would love to meet you at Huntstock this year. We have shows in New York and Massachusetts. Check it out at www.huntstockevents.com

[@rubenroyer9488]

I don’t much care for the court of public opinion..

[@brokenarrow6491]

With all the laws CJ has broken it's highly unlikely he killed that buck legally. This happens all the time but a really big deer like this brings a lot more attention. A big buck was killed in my state many years ago and was on the cover of North American whitetail magazine and was killed in bow season. A friend of mine knows the guy and said he actually killed it with a shotgun. It's disgusting. It happens so often that when someone does it the right legal way there is still suspicion.

[@kennysmith1840]

If you going to do something wrong people and electronics will tell on you😂😂😂😂😂

[@mikerobinson6606]

Good breakdown. I don't think that there is any doubt that this kid is a poacher.....allegedly.

[@hdelano11]

No daylight photos of the buck after harvest. Huge red flag

[@northwoodstraditions3372]

Very good job with breaking this down, I have also been following this since I first heard of this poaching incident. We all have these types of outlaws in our area and seen how they operate, I knew CJ was one of them since I listened to his very first story of the hunt, we all know what it takes to get a decent Buck legally and from the moment CJ opened his mouth red flags were going up everywhere. I strongly believe he took that record buck at night time like he did the buck at the church and probably many more illegal bucks that have gone under the radar.

[@stevenbabb2958]

I’m planning on being at Hunt Stock in September; hope to meet you there on Friday.

[@stevenbabb2958]

Thank you for breaking down all this information. I believe the jury should view your video for a recap of the case. I realize past incidents are not SUPPOSED to be used in a case but his past unlawful record of “poaching” incidents should be used as a character witness. POACHERS give hunters a bad name!! Great video

[@craigholland2274]

Awesome job on the coverage. The deer in the back look bigger that 140. Must be camera angle

[@joehorton01]

The first two charges were not having a hunting license and not having a deer tag. Not sure how thats confusing?

[@robertkenyon8034]

Excellent break down and will look forward to the legal process take it's course on this. Poaching is pretty wide spread here in New England - one just has to sit out of a Walmart in MA that sells deer corn to see who is baiting - pretty obvious. Would be interesting to hear from some Game Wardens here on cases they have broke.

[@HuntSuburbia]

Thank you!

[@rodneygilbert5183]

Good video

[@joshscott3184]

Best video I've watched on this sad story so far ..if cj's found guilty, they need to throw the book at him. The real crime is that the buck will never get the credit for being maybe the baddest buck ever... absolutely sickening

[@Dark30Outdoors]

Very comprehensive coverage of this story! Great job! Sadly, had he never went on those podcasts he probably would’ve gotten away with it! The story having a lot of red flags is what brought on all the heavy scrutiny! Unbelievably stupid and narcissistic to think he could get away with it! Good thing is that a guilty verdict would get his 150 inch poached buck confiscated as well!

[@want2boutdoors274]

What about, the use of a crossbow without a doctors written consent? I was born and raised in Ohio, and you couldn't use a ceossbow unless you had a letter from a doctor stating you can only use crossbow. I don't need one now because i no longer live in Ohio, but i have one, due to military injuries, i can't safely hold back a compound anymore. Anyways, thats one thing i didnt hear about, if its still a thing.

[@theheads1487]

As of 2013 crossbows became legalized in the state of Ohio and many other states now.

[@seanyoung6010]

Drugs, probably meth involved. Many such cases. Drugs and illegal spotlighting/poaching are often partners in crime.

[@AlcoholTabbacoFirearm]

When you are up all night what else would he do ? Definitely gonna go spot light !! Little junky

[@Wtz-jx3wh]

The only person who wasn’t indicted that’s involved is cj’s gf….he said she picked him up after dark at his sisters property and no charges for her???

[@chrisvaught9531]

That was just part of his story. He wasn't hunting at his sisters anyway they took the deer there. I would say she had nothing to do with it. CJ and his buddies did all the dirty work. She is guilty of lying for him to try and cover it all up.

[@HuntSuburbia]

I am pretty sure she told the officers that she didn't sign the permission slip until November 13th. That's the only way CJ gets charged on that. So they were probably lenient on her for being truthful.

[@Lobo-tommy10]

I had to confront a poacher once and it was scary af. Approached unarmed.

[@buckydoedowner9040]

One thing i dont think people realize is, All 4 people being charged will be splitting the trophy fee on this buck.CJ wont pay this full fine himself unless he is man enough to do so for his sister and friends. The "Spread" will not be included due to the trophy fine being for "Inches" of antler not the score of the rack. Atleast thats how previous cases im familiar with, with multiple people and trophy bucks were handled.

[@stevefulscher8531]

the fine will be based on gross score which includes spread and will most likely be assessed to the poacher

[@buckydoedowner9040]

As i said, in cases im very familiar with.. The spread isnt included. The fine is suppose to be "per inch of antler" and thats what ive seen implemented. But you know judges can discriminate how they want and when a prosecuter throws down numbers most judges wont know the differnce. Could go either way but ive never seen the spread included in the cases i witnessed.

[@scootter37]

@@stevefulscher8531 you are correct, only trigger person will get the trophy fine.

[@Dark30Outdoors]

@@scootter37fines, plural. He’s getting hit with restitution fines for the 18 pt and the big 8 pt. Around $39k.

[@craigholland2274]

On access point there's a bike trail that goes by the landfill. I live about 15 minutes from there

[@HuntSuburbia]

What are the locals saying about this? Are there trailcam pictures of the buck from November 9th that will prove the buck was in the area and not the area of his sisters property? Were those properties surrounding the area being hunted by other hunters? Are there any trail cam photos that will come out in trial that capture CJ on foot on Nov 9 or Nov 10? Was he getting dropped off and picked up so that he was not parking nearby?

[@craigholland2274]

@@HuntSuburbia So the lt land is owned by Robbie Roberts which owns r&l trucking and robbers arena. They don't let anybody hunt there. I have not heard anything about actual trail camera. To my knowledge nobody has permission to hunt the landfill as it City owned or the LT land. I heard the same thing you did about them having a trailer camera picture of CJ but don't know anything factual now.

[@craigholland2274]

@@HuntSuburbia just barely south of the water treatment plant there's a bike path that runs back there that would give pretty good access to that off of Nelson

[@terrymccleery3497]

Great job explaining this. I hate being stuck on Jury’s but man would I like to be on this Jury. Just so I could see the exact evidence. CJ keeps his story so straight podcast to podcast and if he is guilty that’ll be really disturbing. If he’s guilty then CJ needs to be a salesman because he could sell ice to an Eskimo.

[@hdelano11]

Most criminals get very very good with their stories over time. More you lie better you get

[@daddysbrokegarage]

​@@hdelano11not when you get asked the same thing in different angles at random. I always pull for the underdog but it don't look good for the ole boy

[@mr.skeptical3071]

He got caught because that DA got jealous 😂

[@cjsoutdoors4412]

Interesting case. Is the indictment made publicly accessible over the internet for viewing?

[@benj3911]

All legal documents can be accessed online. They are public and can be accessed through the PACER system.

[@Branden1287]

We drive over deer tracks to hide them on the red dirt county roads around our property to try and help keep road hunters away

[@CatLadyofUtah]

Integrity violations!! That sucks. No one likes a cheater!! 😮😮😮😮

[@Splitshot1]

When is the trial date?

[@HuntSuburbia]

I will have a video coming out soon that will have that info!

[@Dark30Outdoors]

It was pushed back to August.

[@Splitshot1]

@@Dark30Outdoors Thank You for the update.

[@chriswigington1572]

Those are nice deer! My biggest one so far is a 7 pointer that measured 16 inches at it widest spot. Idk what it would’ve scored his G2’s were 11” and 11.25”.. I hunt in north east ga..

[@tajeaton]

Any idea why no one has commented on the actual trial? Originally it was supposed to begin on 5/20. Did they change the date? Any ideas? Thanks.

[@Dark30Outdoors]

Pushed back to August.

[@tajeaton]

​@@Dark30Outdoors Thank you. Much appreciated. Any links to this? Just curious.

[@Dark30Outdoors]

@@tajeaton I don’t have a link. I remember going to the Clinton County clerk of courts website and looking it up after May 20 to see what happened and I saw it was pushed back again.

[@tajeaton]

@@Dark30Outdoors Gotcha. Thanks. I am worse than a little kid with this case. I am fairly certain I know the outcome, but still keep checking! Lol

[@dozinallday]

Kid has been trespassing this property his entire life. I bet this don’t even stop him from trespassing on it again either. Kid is no good

[@HuntSuburbia]

Do you live in the area? What have you heard as far as evidence they may have in terms of trail camera pictures of the buck in that area the day it was killed?

[@KBBOUTDOORS]

Imagine being a person who bought or leased land right after it was killed hoping the genetics were in the area 😂😂😂😂 psych you just waisted 300k

[@stevefulscher8531]

nobody with 300k would be dumb enough to buy land based on a big deer getting killed in that area

[@ronniefulton1648]

Hey I'm watching your podcast I'm watching you talk about this it wasn't a DA that was hunting the deer it was a game warden and he was out for blood he didn't know who killed it but when CJ popped up with it on a podcast the game warden was out for blood I do think there's a lot going on behind the scenes that we do not know

[@HuntSuburbia]

What property was the game warden hunting? If it is near the DA property / Landrum / LT Land Dev properties, there is no way CJ could have killed it legally. I would be out for blood too if I had one of the few legal access / permissions to hunt a deer like that and saw someone killed it who didn't have the access.

[@terrymccleery3497]

No wonder Corey hasn’t gone on any of CJ’s podcasts. Either the 2 together are worried they can’t keep story straight, or Corey is like dude put it on your wall and shut up!

[@outdoorsmanallday]

$2,000 + $8,000 = $10,000…that 10k in cash/ marketing from the trophy dude? Anyways, he’s real guilty and should be held accountable, but does the AG need to make 5 million charges for the same offense? Seems like just throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks.

[@benj3911]

10k sounds like a joke tbh. This dude got greedy.

[@donniek7182]

And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you nosey kids.......bad guy from scooby doo.

[@AlcoholTabbacoFirearm]

😂😂😂

[@benj3911]

No, the neighbor DA was jealous; can't blame him.

[@132byrdman]

I knew CJ was full of it to begin with but this is airtight. Good job CJ is the poacher we all knew his was.

[@slooney4067]

Had some doubts before watching this. Don’t have any now.

[@2CanTan]

I think dude killed it not where he says. Also, the miles don’t matter so that needs to not be a factor imo. We have had bucks killed 8 and 4.2 miles 24 hours and less later from being on our cams by neighbors crossing a highway on one Case and a river on the other. I put weight on all factors but not traveled distances

[@C.Adams82]

He said he got ice from a store on one of the two podcasts he done

[@bourneoutdoors6758]

Wonder who did the mount for his 8pt. You have to have a tag number to have a mount done.

[@HuntSuburbia]

He tagged it but tagged it days after he shot it according to the indictment

[@bourneoutdoors6758]

@@HuntSuburbia gotcha. I was under the impression that he didn’t even possess a license that year. I’ll have to go back and rewatch it. Subscribed!!!

[@birddog7492]

I'm not hating on this guy. I've seen the state get it wrong before. I know deer can go twenty miles a day no problem. When the does are hot it's game on. This guy will get his day in court, and I hope he is innocent. If he's not he will get the penalty the Judge gives him.

[@Dark30Outdoors]

I feel like this a good, Christian approach to all of this. However, the evidence stacked against the kid at this point is staggering!!

[@daddysbrokegarage]

​@@Dark30Outdoorsthe media is doing its job though... Negativity ALWAYS sells. Aka gets views. No one is really posting defending videos. I fully agree with the original comment innocent until proven guilty. I hope it's wrong and it's legit for the sake of his kid and woman. But if guilty then you get the book.

[@karmas.busdriver]

Like they said fame & glory hound, I'll bet he video'd the hunt & they matched the location.

[@richiecaelwarts1911]

I know in my state they have a wall in the DNR office called the wall of shame i hope he gets what hes got coming to him if he guilty thats why we have court i gess .

[@markschall2333]

If you know 130 to 140 bucks in your area were poached did you do something about it? What proof do you have bucks were poached?

[@scootter37]

If found guilty, he will probably get some jail time for this. For him to go on podcasts and blatantly brag of his accomplishment, he will need a serious correction. He clearly spent a lot of time going after this buck, thus he also had a lot of time to think twice.

[@bloodlines9610]

How much you wanna bet that DA will end up with the buck.

[@benj3911]

I think there is a bidding process.

[@joeycantrell5437]

I bet he takes a plea deal and may get some time with 5 felonies.

[@budbrown9504]

When is the court date.

[@Bowguy_44]

Here in like the next 2 weeks.

[@Dark30Outdoors]

It was pushed back to August

[@user-fy2in5wd9y]

I was giving the kid the benefit of doubt. We’ll see how trial goes, but a Grand Jury handing down 23 charges, seems like he’s got himself in real hot water. What a shame.

[@bankerlies6121]

The district attorney has you guys the Fool.

[@curtissheffield4485]

This whole thing sounds rotten to the core

[@hunterfriesen7911]

Are you Mark Kenyons younger brother? 😂

[@davidvance7059]

I’m not gonna pass judgment unless I was actually sitting in the courtroom both sides need to be heard

[@raymondsmith4433]

How do you know the da brother wasn't selling hunts showing the one picture he had of the buck

[@bowhunter7565]

Yup he's guilty. Should have never went on the huntr podcast.

[@shawnlewis6544]

Now just think if this was a smaller buck or doe none of you would care at all . And the dnr don't do a good job in proper deer management. In my opinion. Think of all the monye they spent on this caes smh .

[@Wtz-jx3wh]

I think people would care less if he didn’t go around trying to get famous off a deer he most likely poached…that just screams morally bankrupt and no one like that deserves any time in the spotlight of being semi famous

[@curtissheffield4485]

10,000 dollars ha ha ha a buck like that i wouldnt have sold pd. Tells you right there it didnt mean anything wouldnt take a mill for it hunted all my life trying to get one he might be a meth head

[@Wtz-jx3wh]

On the first podcast he did he looked stung out af like on pills

[@warrengreen3217]

If the city owns the landfill that means our taxes paid for it so that makes it public property i dont understand how they dont allow hunting

[@hoyt7710]

So you think anyone who lives in the county should be allowed to hunt a small tract of land?? Think that for a second.

[@warrengreen3217]

@@hoyt7710 its a 150 acres not big but big enough and if its bow only plus its a little ass town not everyones going to be hunting it most people turn their noses up to public land it be no different then hunting little tracks of public land all around the suburbs

[@StealthTRD]

Bruh we have small tracts all over that are public..bow only..wouldnt be no different ​@@hoyt7710

[@americanagothic7851]

@@warrengreen3217every bow hunter in the country will be after those genetics if they thought bucks like that were hangin in landfills. I think some hunters would follow a buck off a cliff.

[@warrengreen3217]

@@americanagothic7851 genetics dont work like that if that buck knocked up a doe and she dont got the genetics then it might be only a 120 inch in his prime but his dad was 240 inches a deer gets hafe of its genetics from each parent and study show the females has more to do with big racks genetics than the males

[@ericwhite78ew]

Stop

[@chrisgiller2050]

U all need to quite talking shit tale the case is over to many people lives get distoryed over being charged and people calling them guilty and dertbag .just to fined them innocent. But the damage was done . So shut the mouth tale we know for shore.

[@HuntSuburbia]

If 23 charges made it through a grand jury, whose job is to look at the evidence and decide if there is enough evidence to convict in a trial, then the state must have solid evidence. If they don't have GPS data from cell phones, or trail cam pictures from the area that prove CJ and/or the buck were in the Landrum Oil area on November 9th and 10th, or pictures recovered from his or Cory's phone that prove they were in that area, then he could prove his innocence. But the grand jury bringing the charges means they have to have that evidence, in which case he is going to be dead to rights. I imagine he is going to take a plea deal and plead guilty and this wont even make it to trial, when he sees the evidence they have.

[@user-sp9hy8tq4j]

Dude I guarantee you he killed it at night on property he had no buisiness sneaking on ! Both the bucks he killed at that!

[@scootter37]

@@HuntSuburbia Well said!

[@nickmarshall9376]

Did anyone else notice how poor some peoples spelling can be?

[@Dark30Outdoors]

Omg! How are you defending him? At this point it’s clear he’s a lying criminal! There is EVIDENCE!