Cafe De Rene Episode 18 | Wrestling Conspiracy Theories

Bonjour and welcome to another edition of Cafe De Rene with Rene Dupree.
This week we take a look at Wrestling's biggest conspiracy theories,
From macho man being black balled from for having an affair with Stephanie Mcmahon to the Montreal Screwjob to the the ultimate warrior being replaced by kerry von Erich at wrestlemania, we've got ya's covered.
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[@emperorburton]

Kurt Angle never had a “5 star” match, so I think that tells you everything you need to know about Meltzer.

[@JesseGMan7]

100%

[@spangdeez498]

Yeah I went back and watched some Angle matches and was like ooof… I think it’s because he moves weird with his broken neck - which gotta give him respect wrestling with a broken neck, at any level…. But that’s what I narrowed it down too.. the way he moves looks weird and makes the other talent work different to complement his style

[@Spooky_515]

@@spangdeez498 wtf are you talking about? Lol I mean come on if that’s what he claims then that’s him desperately reaching to avoid the truth, he has favorites that kiss his ass and play stooge for him to write his garbage. How does the way someone move effect work rate? Let’s face it plenty of Meltzers favorites are anything but graceful and even worse some of them look awkward and anything but fluid. Besides if you don’t buy into Angle as legitimate then how can you buy into anyones work?

[@spangdeez498]

@@Spooky_515 thought I was pretty clear, No? … When Kurt turns his neck- he has to turn his whole body because his neck is fused together… you can easily tell that when he wrestles… and when you get talent wrestle the old guys - you can always tell they let the older guys lead, as to not botch or hurt them .. but idk guess we watched two different Kurt’s wrestle 🤷🏽‍♂️ because he def does NOT move like someone without neck injuries

[@Spooky_515]

@@spangdeez498 maybe I wasn’t clear, how does that matter? Plenty of wrestles have quirky nuances in the ring. How does that effect his legitimacy? We all know it’s a work anyways but moving oddly doesn’t effect his ability. He was a machine. Honestly I’ve never heard anyone complain about Angles in ring ability lmao. Austin moves like a gimp, doesn’t mean his matches weren’t entertaining

[@Weirzy]

This was a fun episode! I'm very much looking forward to next week ;)

[@cubanmano2]

Vince paid law enforcement to cover up snuka killing his girlfriend

[@aleeking2602]

Yeah that's probally true, and why Shula didn't get a single belt

[@cubanmano2]

@@aleeking2602 Well Snuka held titles in the mid Atlantic wrestling, Georgia Championship Wrestling, and many other territory promotions just not in WWE.

[@aleeking2602]

And by 1983 he aa all ready 40 years old

[@joshx022]

Vince got away with a lot of that type of stuff before the internet age.

[@Spooky_515]

If that’s true then wouldn’t that put the Benoit tragedy in new light? I mean they didn’t spend much time in examining a crime scene that had been effected by things like the heat being turned up to max which hinders investigators. I believe Benoit did it, I’m just saying if McMahon was exposed for a pay off in the Snuka case I’d have to rethink Benoit

[@hennypowers8319]

Another conspiracy is eddie guerrero being sacrificed as well.

[@CoxysHobbiesJESUSLOVESYOU]

No way.. why would you think that?

[@CoxysHobbiesJESUSLOVESYOU]

Only because Eddie had a buried alive match in a video game is that what you thinking?

[@hennypowers8319]

@@CoxysHobbiesJESUSLOVESYOU I didn't say it was my theory, it just one that I've heard before.

[@hennypowers8319]

@@CoxysHobbiesJESUSLOVESYOU well from what I remember hearing he was scheduled to win the world heavyweight championship from Batista, similar to Benoit scheduled to win the ECW championship against Punk. There is also Gematria. Idk the numbers but sacrifices happened on very specific dates.

[@Spooky_515]

What’s the theory? Just that he was a sacrifice? No reasoning behind it?

[@michaelmartinez7158]

Wait what?! ECW was a kayfabe developmental territory?! I know Vince contributed money, but owned it? I’ve never heard that before

[@indyphillipconner6252]

Love you Rene glad you're still alive 2003-2005 was the best year for you in @WWE I remember Windows XP and playing F.E.A.R. remember that game

[@nathantturnert1631]

Owen was offed, benoit didnt do it, warrior was a sacrifice. Takers WM win loss is 23-2 which is skull n bones number 322.

[@sqcuk5662]

🤣nicee

[@lrc2k8]

😯😯

[@txmetalhead82xk]

Warrior looked seriously ill on his last WWE appearance. His face was beet red, and his skin was dark red. He also had trouble breathing. I think he was really sick that night. With that said, it was an unbelievable promo. RIP Warrior.

[@Spooky_515]

@@txmetalhead82xk wanna talk conspiracy theory, Like Billy said maybe Vince lured him back, parties him up with coke but with an added ingredient. Easiest way to kill someone is with an illegal substance they chose to ingest by their own will. There was obviously something wrong with him. Like you said he was beat red, not normal. I’m not saying I believe that but we are talking about McMahon who is known to have the last laugh with talent. Regardless it sure played out perfectly for WWE

[@NobleMasterCheeks]

😂 sure

[@Spooky_515]

This was a fun episode. Sex, lies, Whips, midgets, murder, mayhem, conspiracy, a dominatrix and a bear skin rug

[@Cmurciaii]

Just about to watch, I can tell this is gonna be a good episode!

[@JesseGMan7]

I don’t believe the screw job was a work. And reason is I don’t think Bret would agree to losing to Shawn like that he hated Shawn and losing in Canada he was protective about that. And lastly why would everybody still act like it’s legit at this point?

[@Ken9284]

There were too many hurt feelings for that to be a work.

[@65if2007]

The guy leaving the company drops the belt to the next guy and doesn't get to decide who that is. Bret Hart knew that as well as anyone. But even at that, he didn't actually have to "lose" to Shawn. He only had to agree to get screwed by Vince McMahon without actually losing to Shawn at all. In "Bret Hart: WCW Was Garbage", he says specifically that he would have been "open-minded" to such an ending.

[@JarodJoseph]

Sly and Pat’s relationship. Platonic or exotic?

[@TheHannibalTV]

👽

[@4ArchieLee]

Dupree and Hall has the best take on Montreal

[@fulljuggaloalbumz2691]

Epic

[@fulljuggaloalbumz2691]

Always loved the tag team in WWE as a trio y'all should return or join impact

[@gerardoalmanza4378]

I’ve been waiting for an episode on pain killers and hopefully we’ll see it next week but I still really loved this episode😁!! I emailed the email that was provided to me to purchase the 8x10’s but never got a response back but it’s all good, I know Rene is a busy man. I am thankful for this lovely channel, James and Rene I hope you both have a safe, fun and blessed very Merry Christmas🤘.

[@cafederene]

Hi gerardo, I'll let rene know about it and hopefully he can sort it out for you

[@gerardoalmanza4378]

@@cafederene Rene got back to me on Monday night and I’ll definitely be buying some 8x10’s. Thank you lots for letting Rene know, much appreciated😁!

[@cosmicwarriors206]

Does money and fame change people. Or do they show how they really are when they get it

[@Cmurciaii]

Greetings from Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺

[@theragoooverlord5021]

There was more than one ultimate warrior this is why jim changed his name to warrior and went after control of the character. Wwf were attempting substitues. (Kerry von Erich and Jim powers were the replacements). Imo

[@joshx022]

Wonder if renegade in wcw validated him. Then renegade offed himself.

[@c.l.freeman7654]

Or he just had to get off the gas so he shrunk and wore a air sprayed body singlet

[@ryanshanahan625]

More Motorhead

[@cp3o205]

Tired of this plandemic in us 🇺🇸 too, seems planned out to me.

[@jasonmyers8600]

The only people that think the screwjob was a work were in the nWo, which was the big thing at that time (for some reason) Vince screwing Bret legit blew the nWo away.

[@65if2007]

A number of wrestlers have said or speculated that it was a work, not just those in NWO.

[@You-Tube-FBI]

Yo Rene I hated you back in the day. When you guys beat rVd and kane for the tag titltes, pissed Me off. Been bingeing your content. Keep up the great work.

[@cp3o205]

Wild stuff

[@1ColdFuture]

4:55Conspiracies. ?6:25. 7:55. 11:00Bret Hart18:46.Vince "killed"Ultimate Warrior20:00Vince is a Woman. 21:07. 24:10. 30:52. 36:25. 41:00hbk and Vince

[@AFTERPROWRESTLING]

Owen was killed, Benoit was killed, Snuka was a killer!

[@Spooky_515]

I’ve wondered about Owen myself. It’s strange he blew that piledriver on Austin to said degree. Especially given the timing, just as Steve was blowing past him and his family in the pecking order. Austin himself said Owen never once reached out to him, again uncharacteristic, especially from the Hart family. McMahon took it as an attempt at killing off his company and dropped him. Didn’t Owen die of a broken neck?

[@jonathancrosby2959]

@@Spooky_515 Owen probably broke about half the bones or more in his body when he hit the ring, you gotta remember, under that mat is a bunch of metal rods and wood holding the whole thing together, so it's not a trampoline, so he probably broke about half of his bones when he landed. Probably even cracked his skull. Either a broken neck or blunt force trauma is how he died.

[@robinhoodhustsle1356]

Randy savage and stephanie

[@ZakynthosDiamandis]

I'm almost certain Nash and Hall saying Montreal was a work is a rib on the fans. It's so them. It's their humour. They love to stir things up - it's how they got their kicks.

[@fanaccount4scumoflspmmmfd976]

Cool

[@fanaccount4scumoflspmmmfd976]

You should interview action Bronson

[@operationjuggalotakeover0t894]

Vince looks to old to be into the baby blood like queen Elizabeth

[@Landofmyfathers-h9c]

I think she's already under dirt

[@coded3604]

Thanks to Chris Van vliet I seen your page brother. Love your shit🇨🇦

[@cafederene]

Thanks bud

[@cijmo]

I don't know if Shawn and Vince were "lovers" per se but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Shawn would do anything to become the biggest star and keep the spot. If that's what it took...so be it.

[@cubanmano2]

38? You're still a kid. Wait until you're 51 LOL

[@mk1r449]

Nice content!!! Very interesting topic. Keep up the good work.

[@emonkazemphotography6129]

Cannot wait for next week's episode!!

[@cp3o205]

Bonjour.

[@CeemPlay]

Phenomenon

[@cp3o205]

Best wrestling podcast.

[@darthbigred22]

Exactly Rene, these Zoomers and young Millennials don't get it. He had a documentary team there and when you rewatch the it on the Network it's pretty obvious that documentary team was around a good year or so. No one is that stupid and it's not like VKM wouldn't have warned Kevin Dunn to move the camera away or close it out. But to keep it going, yeah right.

[@Spooky_515]

It’s the greatest work of all time without a doubt.

[@velvetpilot2008]

I wanna see a video of James and Rene parasailing on a beach!

[@cafederene]

Never, say never.

[@TheZom1965]

Rene’ is the best! He cracks me up!

[@chosenone5209]

I remember watching you wrestle when I was 9 years old now I'm 27 and you still look the same to me strong and awesome

[@jenisia3600]

We need more eps like this. 🍻

[@Landofmyfathers-h9c]

Yeah. It's the jab. Any normal rational person can see that

[@cp3o205]

Benoit case

[@kottoncandyfaygo1875]

Wwe uses wrestling stars as chess pieces

[@TrueNomadSkies]

The main ones I remember hearing as a kid were that Kane and Undertaker were several different people. It was kind of plausible for Kane given that back in the day, kafabe was somewhat relevant and he wore a mask (and arguably true if you count Undertaker wearing his costume once and the thing with Luke Gallows being the fake Kane), not to mention different body transformations. For Undertaker tho, he always still looked like himself even back to the Mean Mark days so this just struck me as being silly.

[@cp3o205]

Bonjour from the mountains in Colorado