Calciopoli Scandal Explained

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@MLSNYC88
@MLSNYC88 7 жыл бұрын
To those unhappy with the video, I'll repost a previous response for clarity. I appreciate the passion of your response, and you clearly adore Juventus in a very special way. Covering a topic like this, with such sensitivity, is never easy. It promotes a variety of differing opinions, as I believe the comments proves. My remit was very clear and defined, and I made sure to run it by a prominent Juve fan I respected to be sure of them. Unfortunately, when it comes to including all of your other suggestions it just becomes impossible. I had a very specific brief and I adhered to that brief. I think even you can see a lot of your suggestions pertain to opinion, or speculation, which in a video like this would be unfair, both to Juve fans and non-Juve fans eager to learn more about the situation. I can accept some poor wording may have mislead you here, and for that I apologise. I'm always trying to get better. However, I also firmly believe this video will have sparked curiosity in a lot of people and likely sent them on a journey to read about some of the theories you outlined here. In that regard, I feel this was a success, and although you may dislike me right now, I hope at least you can respect the answer I'm giving you. Thanks Kris
@1878Craig
@1878Craig 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the video, its a fascinating topic. It does make you wonder how much of it still goes on today.
@xocolatyl
@xocolatyl 7 жыл бұрын
its okay man. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. and thank you for responding my request :)
@toyosioyejobi309
@toyosioyejobi309 7 жыл бұрын
Kristan Heneage Oh my days! So its you normally on TFR that has been doing this.. Your voice sounds so different damn!
@AYURBHATTA
@AYURBHATTA 7 жыл бұрын
From Serie B to Berlin and from Berlin to the treble! #FinoAllaFine
@AYURBHATTA
@AYURBHATTA 7 жыл бұрын
Kristan Heneage I wanted this video badly! Thanks!
@wbdrugstrat
@wbdrugstrat 7 жыл бұрын
i remember when that happened. it was a surreal experience. Italian football was the top league for decades, and this scandal was its suicide.
@hughtube5154
@hughtube5154 6 жыл бұрын
But Italy won the World Cup the next year. Strength in adversity?
@Rosario_Verano
@Rosario_Verano 6 жыл бұрын
@@hughtube5154 The players were already there. He's referring to the league.
@jogabonito5027
@jogabonito5027 6 жыл бұрын
@@hughtube5154 Wasnt the World cup the same year as Calciopoli happend?
@lorenzoditommaso4920
@lorenzoditommaso4920 6 жыл бұрын
if Italian football declined was not for Calciopoli: that scandal was one of the few good things happened to our football in the last 15 years.
@capeto95
@capeto95 6 жыл бұрын
Lorenzo Di Tommaso why do you say it was a good thing?
@ewanw5481
@ewanw5481 3 жыл бұрын
it's mad that when all of this was happening Italy won the world cup. the lowest and highest moment of Italian football happening so quickly
@footyfan101ful
@footyfan101ful 3 жыл бұрын
And they cheated when they played Australia.
@aldobonaso3481
@aldobonaso3481 3 жыл бұрын
@@footyfan101ful haha VAR would not overturn that penalty, so stay salty, I hear it's good for the heart.
@cupcakefairy87
@cupcakefairy87 3 жыл бұрын
@@footyfan101ful Like Australia was ever gonna progress further than the last 16.
@joaopicaify
@joaopicaify 2 жыл бұрын
A similar thing happened in 1982, winning the world cup after the 1980 totonero scandal in which several players were involved, including Paolo Rossi who led them to victory when he was supposed to be suspended
@Amala-dk5uv
@Amala-dk5uv 2 жыл бұрын
@@joaopicaify Italy always rise to adversity when things are tough it's in Italian people DNA , France final we were down but we didn't give up, England euro we were down but we didn't give up, there was COVID we won the euro
@tdyerwestfield
@tdyerwestfield 6 жыл бұрын
AC Milan were initially removed from the upcoming Champions League campaign, but were re-instated after an appeal. They went on to win the Champions League that same season, beating Liverpool 2-1 in the 06/07 final.
@ideservesomehappinessinmyl5500
@ideservesomehappinessinmyl5500 3 жыл бұрын
they have nothing on milan they just want to give the title to inter milan
@thewhambam
@thewhambam 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like man city 20/21 but they lost the final
@pashkodreshaj2558
@pashkodreshaj2558 2 жыл бұрын
They were all reinstated except for Juve but after 30points deduction only Milan made it into the UEFA Cups Originally the table was supposed to be 1. Juve 91 (relegated) 2. Milan 88 (58 points/3rd) 3. Inter 76 (1st) 4. Fiorentina 74 (44points/9th) 5. Roma 69 (2nd) 6. Lazio 62 (32 Points/16th) 7. Chievo 54 (4th)
@thewhambam
@thewhambam 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that 58 points gets u a 3rd
@pashkodreshaj2558
@pashkodreshaj2558 2 жыл бұрын
@@thewhambam would’ve been 7th if it wasn’t for point deduction’s they did on 3 teams and another they banished to the shadow realm
@TurboxRicksta
@TurboxRicksta 4 жыл бұрын
Playing two games behind closed doors don't sound so bad in 2020
@mortenfrosthansen84
@mortenfrosthansen84 3 жыл бұрын
They lost big money on that.. football is huge in Italy. They watch every game they can on matchdays, and discuss it all the others. But it was sad to see, that the fans was punished, for no reason, for what the clubs did
@jurgeni7545
@jurgeni7545 3 жыл бұрын
@@mortenfrosthansen84 football is huge in spain england too, italy has low attendance vs germany england, now i say before maybe but now italy i dont think is different from other states in football
@mortenfrosthansen84
@mortenfrosthansen84 3 жыл бұрын
@@jurgeni7545 italy is fanatic about football.. Check out some of the story about how fans will go nuts, and sometimes even issue threats if players don't perform to their standards.. I don't doubt that other nations also love football, but in italy it's almost a religion. And you know how people can be around their religious beliefs
@sergiowinter5383
@sergiowinter5383 3 жыл бұрын
China has to get their money
@azapro911
@azapro911 7 жыл бұрын
Italian football: incredibly gifted players, unbelievably crooked management.
@urorazbojnik5678
@urorazbojnik5678 7 жыл бұрын
Old women want to read about all scandals no matter what it is lol
@o3_o3_28
@o3_o3_28 6 жыл бұрын
There’s a joke to be made about Juve being the Old Lady and the quote here but I can’t quite find it
@arvindhmani06
@arvindhmani06 3 жыл бұрын
@@o3_o3_28 Maybe something like "Old ladies love to gossip with old ladies, but also about old ladies"
@thegreatcalvinio
@thegreatcalvinio 7 жыл бұрын
Some players like Buffon stayed with Juve, good for him.
@bekhele
@bekhele 7 жыл бұрын
buffon del peiro nedved trezeguet and camoranesi where players of a calibre could go to any team and claiming a starting spot
@tervanruth6024
@tervanruth6024 7 жыл бұрын
They were rewarded for that after. They are managing the club.
@bekhele
@bekhele 7 жыл бұрын
not exactly, only nedved has a directors function, and trezeguet is some kind of an ambassador.these where not rewards, juventus has a policy mirroring bayrn munich to have lots of old players to get involved in policy making, wich is smart as they understand the club DNA and often have good connections and network. Buffon still plays and del piero and camoranesic are not involved.
@tervanruth6024
@tervanruth6024 7 жыл бұрын
+bekhele I am sure these players are somehow involved and it is a good thing for Juve.
@wildanfaisol8947
@wildanfaisol8947 7 жыл бұрын
camoranesi still coaching
@bigdaddy2429
@bigdaddy2429 6 жыл бұрын
A very similar case is going on in portugal right now , except no one as been arrested or punished or even found guilty nor will they , because the corruption goes higher than football Would love a video about that !
@josecipriano3048
@josecipriano3048 4 жыл бұрын
That was actually from the 80s till maybe today. Those refs did enjoyed Brasil and the prostitutes.
@alessiobianco7689
@alessiobianco7689 5 жыл бұрын
This is one of the reasons Juventus is so hated in Italy
@guesswho1630
@guesswho1630 4 жыл бұрын
No, the only reason they are hated there, is because they win most of the times. People always use to hate the best teams. Bayern, ManU, Real, Juve etc. But not many want to admit it.
@interpersempre8625
@interpersempre8625 4 жыл бұрын
Guess Who? It’s not trust me. Ac Milan always won a lot no one hated them back then apart from inter because it was a city rivalry. Same thing with inter only juve and Milan hated us because of big teams and city rival rivalries. Italians don’t hate juve because they win! Yes they do win a lot but never honestly
@guesswho1630
@guesswho1630 4 жыл бұрын
@@interpersempre8625 No, they dont win enough the have as many haters. Juve had more fights for championship agains more teams. They(the haters) failed to get their sometimes "one in a life time chance" to win the title because juve was better and therefore hate juve. Also they dont want to blame themselves for playing bad, they dont want to admit not to be the best, so they simply say juve is cheating, to keep their illusion being the best . Its always easier to blame the winners, instead to admitting not being good enough.
@chakra_x
@chakra_x 4 жыл бұрын
@@guesswho1630 u dont live in italy so u dont know the emotional part of the football here, therefore u just rely on basic statistics. after calciopoli juventus was total shit, they started their current winning streak on 2011 but juve was already hated wayy before then and wayyyy before calciopoli and the main reason was the same that lead to calciopoli. juve was ridiculed for their kits (search what "gobbi" means), for their players (nedved memes) and for the special treatments referees has gave them (example milan-juve muntari's gol) and for that juve is often called "ladri" which means robbers. their victory literally represent only the 5% of the total hate they get here in italy. even their monobrow president became a meme lol alongside with antonio conte. just search those 3 things in brackets and you'll finally know especially muntari's gol since you say teams blame juve for cheating just cause they play bad lol. no wonder serie A was one of the first to use VAR, and refs such as orsato, who directed the ucl final in a questionable way, mazzoleni and many more are known to favour juve when they have the chance even nowadays they still do
@guesswho1630
@guesswho1630 4 жыл бұрын
@@chakra_x u just dont want to admit, that u are a bad Loser. I am watching Juve since i can remember. I have mostly watched them on italian channels so I know the passions italian people have. (Even on sundays, when juve wasnt playing, we were watching other calcio related things, like the shows on Rai, except when there was Formula 1 or Moto GP) My Grandparents were from italy so my family was pretty near to iralian culture. I know Juve were hated even before calciopoli, because they were the best team in this time too. Just look at the poor arguments hater a coming to "diss" juve. They are saying, that we only win because of penaltys or referee decisions, but they never watch juve games. Take a look at the statistics of the penaltys of the past 10 years. U will see that these arguments are bullshit. Since the winning streak, the opponents are getting more penaltys than juve, especially Milan, Napoli etc. altough Juve got more wins/goals/points. (Normally the winning team should also have more penaltys, because in theory they are more often in penalty area and therefore the probability is higer to get penalys, simple maths) But statistics dont count for haters, they are just searching for excuses, bescause they are lying to themselves and dont want to admit, that they just arent good enough to stand a chance against Juve. Now they even start copying us, buying our players, managers, stuff,... to try to keep up.
@pottr147
@pottr147 7 жыл бұрын
3:18 - "Exodius of players"... Yugi Moto must be informed.
@nmarcus7233
@nmarcus7233 3 ай бұрын
😂
@kiwikicker9263
@kiwikicker9263 7 жыл бұрын
Juventus mentality: "Oh crap we got caught." points finger straight at Moratti, "it was all his fault!!!"
@alexab543
@alexab543 5 жыл бұрын
Inter mentality: Oh good, we managed to his the evidence and not get punished so we are innocent!
@STANKYCHEEZEMAYNE
@STANKYCHEEZEMAYNE 5 жыл бұрын
@@Micfri300 I don't know if Roma was the ONLY club that wasn't involved but they were certainly one of the few
@zeekot4064
@zeekot4064 5 жыл бұрын
Michele Frisoli we are always fucked by the refs in serie a.. sometimes i feel as if the match fixing scandal is still going on in Italy lol var just makes it more obvious who sere a favors
@jetomoon
@jetomoon 4 жыл бұрын
@@Micfri300 proof?
@andrelisu
@andrelisu 4 жыл бұрын
@Kiwi Kicker surely you aren't from Italy, you are from another country because you don't know that this behavior that you describe is the behavior of all inter fan
@lorenzoditommaso4920
@lorenzoditommaso4920 7 жыл бұрын
I love Reading butthurt comments of juventus' fan in the morning. I hope that thanks to this video also people from foreign country will understand who juve really is.
@gerhardsmith7892
@gerhardsmith7892 5 жыл бұрын
I've always known all of this, and in my opinion Inter has always been the greatest team of Italy, at least the cleanest between the great teams
@flavio7180
@flavio7180 4 жыл бұрын
Gerhard Smith The cleanest? Inter are by far the biggest thieves, and an embarrassment to Italian football.
@ibetonlosingdog
@ibetonlosingdog 4 жыл бұрын
Gerhard Smith lmao believe me, all north italy’s teams are far from innocent
@danielev6044
@danielev6044 4 жыл бұрын
@@gerhardsmith7892 hahahaha inter got that scudetto even if it was 3rd...and it was GUILTY too for the same reason of other clubs
@josippapac6943
@josippapac6943 4 жыл бұрын
@Yutazo In the world to write that Inter is nothing to Juve??? Inter won CL 3 times and so many titles in Italy stolen by your favourite club. just look here scudeto stolen to Inter and Ronaldo. Moggi and juventus are seria A cancer.
@rooneye
@rooneye 6 жыл бұрын
"I miss my soul" what a quote lol
@RadX_98
@RadX_98 4 жыл бұрын
What a delusional crooked self-pitying prick. Juventus style hahahaha.
@suryavajra
@suryavajra 3 жыл бұрын
@@RadX_98 Yet capable of expressing melancholy with such great poetry...lol
@Metalton95
@Metalton95 3 жыл бұрын
@@suryavajra That's Southern Europeans for you.. a little dramatic, verbally :P
@Jam4xp1
@Jam4xp1 7 жыл бұрын
Don't see how anyone could dislike one of your videos
@lorenzodecesare4009
@lorenzodecesare4009 7 жыл бұрын
you dislike it cause your a pissed Juventus fan who cant accept reality
@jamiethannoo8559
@jamiethannoo8559 6 жыл бұрын
Fanboyism makes you do crazy things
@cristianfuentes2597
@cristianfuentes2597 5 жыл бұрын
Juve so corrupt they jail house uniforms
@svenzerx8490
@svenzerx8490 Күн бұрын
people forget, the leaks from TIM, the first newspaper that published about calciopoli, the only team that was exempted from punishment, the only team that didn't get punished about EU passports. Inter Milan, there was atleast one board member in every step, every company that exposed the scam in the first place, they played chess and got away with absolute robbery in the long run
@ILikedGooglePlus
@ILikedGooglePlus 3 жыл бұрын
"And now I've collected all four teams of corruption, allowing me to summon the legendary Exodias of players!"
@Averifiedperson7712
@Averifiedperson7712 21 күн бұрын
In one song, I heard the lyrics 'the fall of one king and the rise of another' This scandal fits that line perfectly, except that it was 2 kings who fell. The fall of Juve and Milan and the rise of Inter.
@alessandromalinverno7097
@alessandromalinverno7097 5 жыл бұрын
Ahhhhh, the c word that all juve fans hate. Its the best way for them to stop bragging.
@rubenjanse3065
@rubenjanse3065 5 жыл бұрын
Yep Juventus is everything that's wrong in modern football. It started in '96 with the UCL.
@alessandromalinverno7097
@alessandromalinverno7097 5 жыл бұрын
Ruben Janse who do u support?
@rubenjanse3065
@rubenjanse3065 5 жыл бұрын
@@alessandromalinverno7097 Ajax
@alessandromalinverno7097
@alessandromalinverno7097 5 жыл бұрын
Ruben Janse Cool, u must have been overjoyed when u beat juve in turin. (I was over the moon) Im sad to see de ligt went to juve. Have u guys bought anyone in the transfer window?
@rubenjanse3065
@rubenjanse3065 5 жыл бұрын
@@alessandromalinverno7097 We bought Promes from Sevilla, Marin from Standard de Liège, Edson Alvarez from Club America, Lisandro Martinez from Defensa y Justicia and a few more players from Eredivisie clubs.
@harrypemberton4961
@harrypemberton4961 6 жыл бұрын
Could you do a Brief history of the rise and fall of Sheffield Wednesday? From the Boxing Day massacre to the highs of the 3rd place top flight finish and the league cup win. To falling to the third tier in the mid to late 2000s. I think it would be really interesting
@Jesus_Zendejas
@Jesus_Zendejas 5 жыл бұрын
And back to the Premier League
@celtic69
@celtic69 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus Zendejas no
@sergiowinter5383
@sergiowinter5383 3 жыл бұрын
They only play well in wednesdays, if they played well everyday they could be in the Premier League
@indiekiddrugpatrol3117
@indiekiddrugpatrol3117 2 жыл бұрын
As a derby fan who has to play them in league 1 this season it's clear Wednesday are a mid table premier league sized club
@RiskuBusiness
@RiskuBusiness 7 жыл бұрын
Loving the butthurt in the comments. It means you made a good video.
@fiksheaslim3978
@fiksheaslim3978 7 жыл бұрын
Lol, no. It just means that the creator of this video failed to mention the most important FACT of them all. That at the end Juve were found to be innocent but because of the statute of limitations in Italy, nothing could have been done more on that subject. Failing to mention that Juventus were aquited of all guilt and that they are suing Italy's football federation for 433 mil€ is a big f**king deal man, come on.
@fazlimh8711
@fazlimh8711 6 жыл бұрын
@@fiksheaslim3978 butthurt fan
@Unknownn-
@Unknownn- 5 жыл бұрын
@@fazlimh8711 there are two kind of opinion in Italy the First include Milan, Inter, Roma, Lazio and all the minor teams of Serie A and they all say Juve cheat, then there is the second opinion that say Juve is innocent and this is heard only from Juventus fans
@AkshatSTR8EDGE
@AkshatSTR8EDGE 4 жыл бұрын
@@fiksheaslim3978 ahh the delusion
@lorenzogapello4937
@lorenzogapello4937 4 жыл бұрын
@@fiksheaslim3978 that didn't happen u idiot
@oscarmeyer516006
@oscarmeyer516006 7 жыл бұрын
It's pronounced "ex-oh-dus" not "ex-oh-dee-us", unless you meant Exodius from Yu-Gi Oh that is lol
@Tifo
@Tifo 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, usually when I mispronounce words, it's because I don't know how they are supposed to sound - but oddly enough, exodus is familiar to me, and yet I said it wrong anyway :-) - Joe
@john26081996
@john26081996 7 жыл бұрын
uMAXit Football , also you mispronounced calciopoli, it's not "cal-see-o-po-li", but it's "cal-cho-po-li"
@lilluckog4209
@lilluckog4209 6 жыл бұрын
NAILED IT 😂😂
@stratdaddy
@stratdaddy 5 жыл бұрын
slapdatpuck88 better be cappin
@swaggraic7282
@swaggraic7282 4 жыл бұрын
@slapdatpuck88 look at this idiot
@yourlocallunarian3202
@yourlocallunarian3202 4 жыл бұрын
juventus (2004-2005) had one of the strongest team in the history of football. buffon, thuram, cannavaro, chiellini, zambrotta, nedved, del piero, camoranesi, vieira, trezeguet and ibrahimovic. 8 of them were involved in the world cup final in 2006
@filippofedeli3591
@filippofedeli3591 7 жыл бұрын
Good video, it's Reggina, not Reggiana, though
@RegginaAmaranto
@RegginaAmaranto 7 жыл бұрын
Filippo Fedeli and also it was 11 points, not 9
@espenuldal5486
@espenuldal5486 7 жыл бұрын
Well, the producer of this video got that wrong, just as he got everything else wrong too ...
@thefourthchairman4151
@thefourthchairman4151 6 жыл бұрын
just to clarify, there is Reggina and there is Reggiana Dont know which one was involved
@NIDELLANEUM
@NIDELLANEUM 6 жыл бұрын
@@thefourthchairman4151 Reggina is the one in Southern Italy that was involved. Reggiana is in the North, but has not been in Serie A since 1997. They come from two cities called Reggio Calabria and Reggio Emilia respectively.
@STANKYCHEEZEMAYNE
@STANKYCHEEZEMAYNE 5 жыл бұрын
just for additional conformation and to help avoid confusion: Reggina (one A) is the scummy club involved in Calciopoli, and Reggiana (two As) is a club from the same region as Sassuolo and Parma that has been fucked over too many times and afaik has done nothing wrong
@nr23579
@nr23579 4 жыл бұрын
Funny how playing games behind closed doors went from a punishment here to a necessity in today’s game.
@tomislavsekerija1957TN
@tomislavsekerija1957TN 3 жыл бұрын
More like ironic I'd say.
@sergiowinter5383
@sergiowinter5383 3 жыл бұрын
It is a punishment: punishment for being afraid of a freaking flu
@sunilsandhu6717
@sunilsandhu6717 7 жыл бұрын
Love the videos. Just thought I'd mention that Calciopoli is pronounced "Cal-chop-olee". If you ever see a 'ci' in an Italian word, it's a "ch" sound, not a "see" sound.
@Tifo
@Tifo 7 жыл бұрын
CHeers Sunil! - Danny
@STANKYCHEEZEMAYNE
@STANKYCHEEZEMAYNE 5 жыл бұрын
@@capilah6285 more like monopoly (same root)
@eddiewhitfield3111
@eddiewhitfield3111 5 жыл бұрын
Cal-CHEE-oh-polee
@sunilsandhu6717
@sunilsandhu6717 4 жыл бұрын
@@eddiewhitfield3111 not quite. For example, 'calcio' (football) is pronounced "cal-cho". So if you add 'poli' to the end, it becomes "cal-cho-poh-lee"
@abhishekchaudhary9577
@abhishekchaudhary9577 7 жыл бұрын
What a channel man, tactics, topics like this, by the numbers videos, everything is too damn good. This channel is really amazing, not just players and teams there are a lot more things people should know about and this channel does exactly that. Best Football Channel in my opinion.
@MichaelCronan49
@MichaelCronan49 5 жыл бұрын
I remember being a young lad when this happened and they cancelled so many of the fixtures that for a weekend Itialian football didn't exist!
@albertbalauta4200
@albertbalauta4200 7 жыл бұрын
What about the referees?Did they get punished?
@john26081996
@john26081996 7 жыл бұрын
Albert Ionut yes several referee got bans for life
@john26081996
@john26081996 7 жыл бұрын
Just checked and you are right
@ZB1902R
@ZB1902R 7 жыл бұрын
Moggi called refs using Swiss sim cards. Yet Juve fans defending.
@AmazingTNT
@AmazingTNT 7 жыл бұрын
thats tragic... a shame that serie a is tainted by so much corruption then, and still a little today.
@andreacica3208
@andreacica3208 6 жыл бұрын
one of them now work as opinionist on tv , he's task is to evaluate referees permorfances XD
@MindLukas
@MindLukas 7 жыл бұрын
Juve still owns the refs system in Italy... Disgrace of Italian football
@NoName-bx2ft
@NoName-bx2ft 5 жыл бұрын
100%
@ibetonlosingdog
@ibetonlosingdog 4 жыл бұрын
im italian. can confirm
@francescofulminis
@francescofulminis 4 жыл бұрын
@@ibetonlosingdog solo perché sei italiano non significa che tu conosca il calcio italiano
@ibetonlosingdog
@ibetonlosingdog 4 жыл бұрын
Francesco Fulminis tu ne sei l’esempio
@francescofulminis
@francescofulminis 4 жыл бұрын
@@ibetonlosingdog Oddio che palle i tifosi italiani medi. Non tifo neanche juve, me ne frego, ma secondo te come mai la juve continua a vincere? Forse perché si è comprata i giocatori più forti? Ha anche Ronaldo, grazie al cazzo che vince. Che dirmi delle altre squadre invece? Non sono neanche all'altezza. Ma se la tua squadra perde ovviamente è sempre colpa dell'arbitro, certo. Questa è la mentalità da italiano medio
@lovelyjubbly34
@lovelyjubbly34 3 жыл бұрын
03:01 it wasn't Reggiana being penalized (that a team from Reggio Emilia ,wasn't even in serie a at the time) it was actually Reggina
@paologatti2123
@paologatti2123 4 жыл бұрын
I like the style of the video, however, i think you missed the actual interesting and important part of calciopoli: How it happened, as in how it came to be, how it worked, how EFFECTIVE it was in fixing Italian football, for how long? only the perpetrators know that... Have a nice day!
@Kenny-Blankenship
@Kenny-Blankenship 5 жыл бұрын
0:54 - funny, Daniel Angelici (Boca Juniors president) was practically caught doing the same thing on the phone and nothing was done about it.
@sergiowinter5383
@sergiowinter5383 3 жыл бұрын
If UEFA is bad, Commebol is worse
@basquefm1584
@basquefm1584 5 жыл бұрын
It later emerged that Inter had also engaged in similar conversations lobbying the refereeing designator, but these were not included as part of the evidence.
@Joshua-mk8ej
@Joshua-mk8ej 4 жыл бұрын
*cough*"Real Madrid"*cough*"Florentino Perez"*cough*" La Liga" *cough cough* " VAR"!!! Hope an investigation is done about these peeps soon
@ishangoyal2385
@ishangoyal2385 4 жыл бұрын
I am guessing you are a barca fan
@sergiowinter5383
@sergiowinter5383 3 жыл бұрын
@Sanata Dharma Barcelona is bankrupt lol
@mickser101
@mickser101 6 жыл бұрын
To strip Juve of two titles was very harsh but you have to look at who benefited most out of this? Inter Milan, there lies the answer. Italian Football has been rife with corruption, bribery, Doping and match fixing for decades. It's at the stage where you have to put an asterix beside every Serie A winner for the last 60 years. Either you revoke all titles or none of them. You can't pick and choose. Over an entire season of 9 months and 38 games the cream will always rise to the top, bribing refs or not the best team will always win. Juve have 36 Scudetti not 34.
@MoonLess4444
@MoonLess4444 8 ай бұрын
Juventus is dirty
@AayushGhosh-uv1nb
@AayushGhosh-uv1nb 4 ай бұрын
Inter wasn't corrupt
@Satosugulover18
@Satosugulover18 2 ай бұрын
All of them are​@@AayushGhosh-uv1nb
@shutupMaji
@shutupMaji 7 жыл бұрын
Juve still own the refs in Serie A
@1nk3L
@1nk3L 7 жыл бұрын
Are you kidding?
@shutupMaji
@shutupMaji 7 жыл бұрын
***** would appreciate it if the teams would fight back, half the games it looks like they just roll over and accept that they'll lose
@joaosilva1999
@joaosilva1999 7 жыл бұрын
Majidul Gwuaa are you the same guy of SoFifa??
@shutupMaji
@shutupMaji 7 жыл бұрын
Joao Silva/\/\/\ yes
@lorenzodecesare4009
@lorenzodecesare4009 7 жыл бұрын
yep they do just to draw with torino they had to cheat
@philmicrackin9464
@philmicrackin9464 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand how this differs in any way to the way Alex Ferguson behaved at Man Utd for decades?
@tomislavsekerija1957TN
@tomislavsekerija1957TN 3 жыл бұрын
Calciopoli scandal is one of the biggest fauds in modern history, after coronahysteria plandemic. Not because of those actions of clubs but for "the justice" on the court. Every single one involved should be kicked in lower league as example - if you try in any sense to overcome the sporting spirit of football - you'll be punished.
@Jhoto
@Jhoto 7 жыл бұрын
well thought out analysis and as always excellent narrating. that's why i sub cheers
@Tifo
@Tifo 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support! - Danny
@praveerjain1638
@praveerjain1638 5 жыл бұрын
And then people ask why there are empty stadiums in serie A
@basquefm1584
@basquefm1584 5 жыл бұрын
Empty stadiums in Serie A way before 2006.
@dolkiti881
@dolkiti881 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao the Serie A average attendance increases year by year
@karlwithakcomedy
@karlwithakcomedy 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for creating the calciopoli video idea I had before
@GustavoVS11
@GustavoVS11 3 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me what exactly did the other teams (Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina and Reggina) do? All I know about is that this match-fixing scandal immensely favoured Juve, but I never got any proof from the other clubs.
@ballss18
@ballss18 3 жыл бұрын
They cooperated with Moggi (Juventus's CEO) to fix some matches, still not operating at his standards.
@garymathe9863
@garymathe9863 6 жыл бұрын
"calcium poly" Nobody mispronounces words better than the English 😂
@user-if8wh5xf1p
@user-if8wh5xf1p 5 жыл бұрын
Americans do.
@BranMan10
@BranMan10 4 жыл бұрын
It's an Italian word, dumbass.
@davidepetiva138
@davidepetiva138 7 жыл бұрын
The 2004/05 and 2005/06 Italian Serie A were considered REGULAR by the Naples Trial few years later. Calciopoli was nothing more than a joke. The result is that today Juventus came back to win and it's stronger than ever before.
@reijmediar
@reijmediar 6 жыл бұрын
accept it!
@IncrediblePanda
@IncrediblePanda 7 жыл бұрын
All the salty juve fans here lmao. Accept it, you support a club that is and always will be viewed as cheaters.
@kierkegaardnervosen2159
@kierkegaardnervosen2159 7 жыл бұрын
Said this by a Napoli fan, your whole city is seen as a cheater mafioso place that resemble a northern African County for the rest of Italy.
@alawi0juventus
@alawi0juventus 6 жыл бұрын
Everyone knows the truth but the truth is not very convenient to fans of other teams. But regardless of what you accuse juventus for they came back stronger than ever and Juventus now is rubbing your faces with sorrow seeing them winning the scuditto year after year.
@alawi0juventus
@alawi0juventus 6 жыл бұрын
I respect Milan's achievements but I have no respect at all for Inter's they just climbed the ladder Juve built. You Say every team has its prime but you seem to forget that juventus's prime was actually when the team has Viera and Emirson in midfield and zlatan in front. Juventus was argubaly the strongest team in Europe and goes head to head with Barca and Manchester United. But this shameful trial did the biggest mistake to Italian football. True Inter won the Champion's league after they fixed this entire calciopoli play. but what happened then? Italian football is bottom rock and ironically the only team that plays to represent italy in the highest levels is the same team FIGC stabbed in the back just to make Inter the Number 1 team. Inter is a bad team, am not saying this because am biased, am saying this because this club has always had bad management without long term plans whatsoever. I am welling to see teams like juventus and Manchester united suffer in rebuilding the team because I know that those big clubs work as organizations and will always come back to the top. ciao brother ;)
@lorenzodecesare4009
@lorenzodecesare4009 6 жыл бұрын
alawi0rubentus at least we can win the champions league In italia ladroni , in europa coglioni
@salihalash4111
@salihalash4111 6 жыл бұрын
Alteast north africa looks more deeliped than fucking scandanavia
@Jorginni08
@Jorginni08 7 жыл бұрын
Benfica is actually doing that in Portugal now, some emails got out revealing they​ had previlleged a relations with league officials, to referees, punishments and league control, by influencing the grades of the reeferes, which defines, which ones are depromoted and which ones go to European competitions. They are also influencing punishments on football agents. On top off all that, they control the Lisbon sports media, as well has the TV media in some cases when the topic is football. The real difference, is that they are powerful and they have most of the fans in Portugal, which makes them avoid the popular demand for justice and keep the simpatizer authorities from doing their job promptly. Unfortunately, Portuguese justice is not like Italy at all, so justice will never be served, like we also saw with Porto some years ago, where the proofs were bigger, but desconsidered, has they were obtained for another investigation and not of Porto, becoming invalid has proof. Anyway , they were considered guilty, but the accusations were so few, that they lost some ridiculous points instead of being relegated. Having that in mind, there is not really much hope for justice, for the new criminals. Curiosity: both presidents have criminal records, and they are, accused even of other cases outside futebol.
@carltonthesponge
@carltonthesponge 3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to Part 2 soon!
@paulvanriel3831
@paulvanriel3831 7 жыл бұрын
Brilliant stuff. Corruption really is that insidious bugbear that has dogged soccer at all levels. Its a shame that a sport so beloved worldwide should have such rot within it. Of course other sports have their problems as well. It seems that sadly, where there is money or to be made, the unscrupulous and greedy eventually find willing allies.
@STANKYCHEEZEMAYNE
@STANKYCHEEZEMAYNE 5 жыл бұрын
that's capitalism for you lol
@ivanrendra8018
@ivanrendra8018 9 ай бұрын
Even now, matches in the Italian league are still indicated as Calciopoly, that's the reason why Arabic TV doesn't broadcast the Italian league because Calciopoly is still going on, that's the reason Italy has never been world champion again and even had difficulty in the WC grub phase, and Italian clubs have difficulty in UCL.
@DJParulan
@DJParulan 7 жыл бұрын
A very influential person on a country's top tier football, using his influence to favor his team. Sounds familiar today.
@alphariusomegon6710
@alphariusomegon6710 Жыл бұрын
Yet the head of TIM was an inter fan, the legislator a former Inter manager and fan, and then years later calls were leaked proving inter had done the same as the clubs prosecuted. So much was leaked it made juventus look like an angel.
@dman1988
@dman1988 6 жыл бұрын
I remember in my childhood I watched Seria A and always knew that it was something between the referees and Juventus :)
@tathagatamukherjee5794
@tathagatamukherjee5794 7 жыл бұрын
this one was well awaited and much needed..knew it very well,but you people gave a better understanding..our milan was also smehow involved..Black period that was rightfully.
@droland3949
@droland3949 7 жыл бұрын
Loved this video =) could you do a tactics explained video on Liverpool's European cup victories or the 04/05 champions league win? Or both? Maybe also Ajax 1995?
@Tifo
@Tifo 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Dante. A video on Liverpool is currently in the works. Keep an eye out in the coming weeks :-) - Joe
@Timliu92
@Timliu92 7 жыл бұрын
Yay finally! The video I have been waiting for!
@Shteno
@Shteno 7 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine the same thing happening to Real, even if the circumstances are exactly the same, so are the proof against the club and the people behind it?! I don't think so! That's why I admire the Italians! AT least they have the decency to admit they did a rime, and punish the culprit! Which is something totally unimaginable for Spain (and many other top leagues, too), and especially for Real, maybe even Barcelona! And for those of you who think that things like this aren't happening in LaLiga, Bundes, and even in the Premier League, well, you're obviously living and watching football matches from these leagues with your heads in the sand!
@Whopper20
@Whopper20 Жыл бұрын
This aged well
@derbesteistangelo
@derbesteistangelo Жыл бұрын
We'll see if Barcelona gets the same treatment as Juventus. I highly doubt it
@mortenfrosthansen84
@mortenfrosthansen84 3 жыл бұрын
Only thing that made me sad back when it happened... was that the fans got punished for no good reason, for what the clubs did. They could have been made to pay big fines or forced to play for free admittance, free tickets
@theletsplayer4921
@theletsplayer4921 3 жыл бұрын
Na this is better
@hmmer3471
@hmmer3471 7 жыл бұрын
I think this made ppl to move away from watching Italy league
@tonyd2817
@tonyd2817 7 жыл бұрын
One thing, is juve had a 30 point penalty at the beginning of their serie b season but they did appeal it down to nine
@sopangandhale7866
@sopangandhale7866 6 жыл бұрын
Forget about the individual clubs for a moment. The damage that this scandal caused to Italian football went beyond measure and Italian football is still reeling from this scandal today. Before the scandal, Italy was one of the best ( if not the best) league in Europe with some great clubs with great histories, a tough league in which any result couldn't be taken for granted and stadia which were always packed to the rafters to watch some of the best players in the game ply their trade. However, after the scandal, players didn't want to be associated with Seria A and Italian football as a whole. The loss of the players and the revelations of the fixing scandals caused a massive loss to the league in both financial and sporting terms from which it has yet not recovered.
@pjetri24
@pjetri24 5 жыл бұрын
And that's why Juventus is the most hated team in Italy.
@Unknownn-
@Unknownn- 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@c.denkmuller252
@c.denkmuller252 5 жыл бұрын
And also the most loved. Go to a sportsbar in any small town or village in Italy and most people in there will cheer for Juve. Ask anyone on the streets which club they hate most. Answer no 1 will be Juve. Like Bayern in Germany. :D
@jovidbodurkhonov7623
@jovidbodurkhonov7623 3 жыл бұрын
@@c.denkmuller252 Just bandwagons that’s why
@SamButler22
@SamButler22 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how you mispronounced "exodus", you may have added extra letters in the script? "Calcio" is pronounced more like CAL-CHO, not CAL-SIO; "ci" in Italian makes a ch sound.
@callumbird1539
@callumbird1539 7 жыл бұрын
I hope that we will get a Lincoln City video now we have won the league and after the amazing cup run. Another great video by the way.
@TheOnesAtTheBottom
@TheOnesAtTheBottom 6 жыл бұрын
There is more Yu-Gi-Oh comments than one might expect
@ashleyburns6752
@ashleyburns6752 4 жыл бұрын
Is this when attendances began dropping in Italy? So many games have half empty stadiums.
@ballss18
@ballss18 4 жыл бұрын
Not really, the attendances has started dropping since the serie A was completely sold to TV broadcasting services as Sky or Mediaset.
@AlxM96
@AlxM96 6 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I just came across your channel, and, as always, this is a well done, informative video of yours. However, and I’m sure I’m not the first one to point it out, Calcio is pronounced “ Kal-choo”, not “Kal-sio”, same for Luciano and every other word containing “ci” in Italian. Being a KZbin channel solely focused on football I figured it’d be beneficial for you to correctly pronounce the Italian word for football itself ;) keep in the good work, you earned a new subscriber
@19srini19
@19srini19 7 жыл бұрын
I love this visual way of storytelling. What is the software you guys use?
@JSR-w4l
@JSR-w4l Жыл бұрын
Who's here after Man City's scandal
@leedschampions6704
@leedschampions6704 6 жыл бұрын
Not exactly the first time these two clubs were involved in this type of skulduggery
@andremcfarlane2821
@andremcfarlane2821 7 жыл бұрын
I can Imagine that Real Madrid and Barcelona do the same with finding favourable refs 😈 and they still getting away with it
@lorenzogapello4937
@lorenzogapello4937 4 жыл бұрын
go cry with mama
@hiphop_stuff2083
@hiphop_stuff2083 4 жыл бұрын
@@lorenzogapello4937 stfu
@KevDontCare
@KevDontCare 3 жыл бұрын
This scandal was all in between Italy winning the World Cup
@DaddyYardie
@DaddyYardie 7 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for you to do a video about United's unbeaten streak. Hopefully it won't take years before this is uncovered, but even Juventus has its hiccups.
@zainjaved18
@zainjaved18 2 жыл бұрын
Still wating
@4te_8te
@4te_8te 2 жыл бұрын
Who's here after juventus board members resigned
@Jadwars
@Jadwars 7 жыл бұрын
All clubs were punished for match fixing, Juventus received the hardest punishment. It came to light Inter Milan were involved in favorable refereeing choices, however, telephone conversations involving the Inter hierarchy were not opened to public as such happened with the other. Inter Milan should've never received that 2005/06 title. It should've gone to the cleanest club.
@fc1984fc
@fc1984fc 3 жыл бұрын
Reggina (from Reggio Calabria) was the one to be deducted 9 points, not Reggiana (from Reggio Emilia).
@Jack_The_Ladd
@Jack_The_Ladd 6 жыл бұрын
Italians?, corrupt?, never.
@JoseTwitterFan
@JoseTwitterFan 3 жыл бұрын
Serie A were of top of the world back in the 1990s (becoming huge in the UK when it used to air on Channel 4, for example), only for the Calcio to be set back decades by this.
@pog62
@pog62 6 жыл бұрын
You should make a video on Paolo Rossi's ban before the 1982 World Cup.
@DavidFromTampa
@DavidFromTampa 3 жыл бұрын
Ah man, based on the logo I thought I was going to learn why Ac Milan and Juve have similarly shaped logos
@luism.palaguachi9874
@luism.palaguachi9874 6 жыл бұрын
This channel is beautiful
@xeroxre6837
@xeroxre6837 7 жыл бұрын
A disgrace on Italian football that clubs and individuals were so lightly punished and even exonerated. Monumental in scale and depth, this fixing system merited expuksion from the league for Juventus, and multiple demotions for others. Life bans for many individuals too.
@grotondi9771
@grotondi9771 3 жыл бұрын
Juve was framed
@freechannel6158
@freechannel6158 7 жыл бұрын
well, well, well... I'm from Indonesia and as a Juventus fan I should say it's embarrassing to watch this video, but we know the truth too because calciopoli hurt us more than any other fans,But still Fino Alla Fine Forza Juventus. It's a shame that in this video you only explain "how they do the calciopoli", when a lot more than that happened. Morratti's case is now disappeared, Juve's Trial on court only lasted for two weeks, Juve hired the same person to investigate all serie a tim and juventus did Uploaded the file (the result of investigation), 4 or 5 months ago High ranking serie a officer said juve should not be punished but there was somebody who wanted juve out of the picture. I don't know if you missed all of those facts on purpose or not, but every time somebody talk about calciopoli, I laugh, because they don't know what we know. But I appreciate this video.....
@ThePF2001
@ThePF2001 5 жыл бұрын
Uà! Tu dall'Indonesia tifi Juve e dopo 12 anni rosichi ancora, ma nun te miett scuorn?
@raynoraynov5651
@raynoraynov5651 7 жыл бұрын
This is not the full story, in your video you missed to mention who was the president of the Italian federation after the scandal. Guido Rossi, a fan of the second team in Milano (that one that plays with blue and black shirts), with heavy links with them, and when it was over, he resigned and went to work for them. The whole process was built not to look for the justice, but one team to benefit from the scandal. That team didn't win the title for 15 years, and they couldn't find any other way to reach to Scudetto. There was data against them too, but it was ignored because the person who performed the wrong doing, Giacinto Facchetti died, and was not able to defend himself. What about the charges that Milan tried to create "an alternative system with the linesmen", these charges were ridiculous, because the phone calls of Galliani were between 2 games (vs Siena and vs Chievo), in which regular goals of Crespo were disallowed because of unexisting offsides. So, according to the charges, Milan created a system, the result of which is the linesmen to disallow Milan's goals, which is ridiculous. I hope one day the whole truth about the scandal will be revealed, and the second team in Milano will receive its deserved punishment too.
@stivib5937
@stivib5937 6 жыл бұрын
Rayno Raynov milan the 2team of milano has history in seria b and also using referees but still they were and are shit
@ruko9876
@ruko9876 6 жыл бұрын
Respect to AC Milan, 7 times CL champions and the only real club in Milan.
@nganbathounaojam7752
@nganbathounaojam7752 6 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the statue of limitations has and will continue to help Inter avoid persecution.
@pulsedemon
@pulsedemon 6 жыл бұрын
Rayno Raynov A bit butthurt because we are the only team that didnt get relegated and will play CL football next year? That other team in Milan, I dont remember the name but I think Borini and Kalinic play there, will only play shitty Europa League... Wait I think I remember the name... Oh yeah it must be AC Bilan
@nikolakopun6779
@nikolakopun6779 6 жыл бұрын
Really? Inter neither has more international cups neither Serie A than Milan so you really have no say in this. AC Milan i more successfull club than Inter.
@visknight248
@visknight248 7 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the rise and fall of Wolfsburg from finishing 2nd then 8th and being in 14th now?
@ikdante5597
@ikdante5597 3 жыл бұрын
Wolfsburg was destroyed by Bayern
@tonyd2817
@tonyd2817 7 жыл бұрын
I feel the Calciopo scandal was a witch hunt more than anything, conducted by intermilan, in order to hurt their big rivals Juve and AC Milan
@ruko9876
@ruko9876 6 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you. Inter find it hard to win anything in Serie A during the mid 2000's era and so they resort to creating fake scandals like Farsopoli to bring damage to both AC Milan and Juve. After the statute of limitation has pass, the FIGC prosecutors found that Inter is 100% involved in referee designation but they cannot be relegated because of statute of limitation. Inter should be relegated to Serie Z for their crimes against Italian football.
@AayushGhosh-uv1nb
@AayushGhosh-uv1nb 4 ай бұрын
Lmao 🤣 I'm dying These Juve and Milan kids have to be stopped 😅
@darwinism18
@darwinism18 4 жыл бұрын
A real CALCIOPOLI should had OBLITERATED the word Juventus from the football world.
@byb7915
@byb7915 5 жыл бұрын
I am a Juve fan. I loved the team for the players and the managers that represented the club with passion, not the personalities like Moggi. I still am a proud Juventus fan, after the relegation we started from the bottom and now we are on the top for 7 years and we are the ones keeping Italian football on the european map of football. Italian football will be on top as I see other Italian clubs getting better and better.
@basquefm1584
@basquefm1584 5 жыл бұрын
No doubt Juve done this for far longer and just got away with it. Cheating, Dirty club.
@josecipriano3048
@josecipriano3048 4 жыл бұрын
No one's keeping Italy in the European map of football. For better or worst, now it's all between England and Spain.
@Michele-tp7mx
@Michele-tp7mx 2 жыл бұрын
Moggi DID NOTHING. You should get information
@paologatti2123
@paologatti2123 4 жыл бұрын
I dont understand how there isn't a full on documentary in English about this? Going through step by step like the Italian made: Operation Offside
@aag1234567
@aag1234567 7 жыл бұрын
bullshit... you can't talk about a subject like this in five minutes. people who have no clue will come in, think this is the whole story, when in fact its much more than that. but for whoever watched the video and don't have the time to research the whole story, just know this. Juventus is suing the Italian football federation for almost half a billion in damages...
@rohankashi7051
@rohankashi7051 7 жыл бұрын
What does it mean play games behind closed doors? And great video as always.
@Tifo
@Tifo 7 жыл бұрын
The game is played without any fans. Usually it's a form of punishment to a club for any number of reasons. - Danny
@rohankashi7051
@rohankashi7051 7 жыл бұрын
Oh ok thanks
@tracviu
@tracviu 7 жыл бұрын
Look at GOBBI reaction... they still cry for the "Injustice" but still own referee's in serie A aka italians WWE
@Malouco
@Malouco 2 жыл бұрын
A whole Italian club got cancel culutra 🤦‍♂️
@raimondo6404
@raimondo6404 Жыл бұрын
Cultura?
@saif7rb71
@saif7rb71 7 жыл бұрын
People always blame juve for this but not milan !
@joaquinheredia4280
@joaquinheredia4280 7 жыл бұрын
There's a little mistake when you mention the punishments. As stated on Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Italian_football_scandal#Club_punishments) it wasn't AC Reggiana (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.C._Reggiana_1919) but Reggina Calcio (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbs_Sportiva_Reggina_1914 -Later refunded as US Reggina). Also, some of the deductions are wrong, but either way, great video, easy to understand.
@moonsugar1
@moonsugar1 6 жыл бұрын
Italy won the WC in 06. Juve are back on top, Del P, Nedved and Buffon all became Juve Royalty, Inter won the CL with Mourinho, Juve made it to a final, Roma just beat Barca, and there hasn't been any further scandal since. Leave the past in the past I say. Italian fans just have to make sure corruption stays out of their game in the future.
@NiqqaFromParis
@NiqqaFromParis 7 жыл бұрын
Yesss finally I've been waiting for this video 👌
@ivaneurope
@ivaneurope 7 жыл бұрын
The odd thing is that weeks after those punishments Italy won the FIFA World Cup. Also I'd like to see a video on the Glass ceeling in La Liga - do Barca and Real Madrid choke out the competition within the domestic league?
@rickenfatania
@rickenfatania 7 жыл бұрын
Sevilla won the EL three times in a row. Atletico Madrid also won it and they have made two CL finals AND they're in the last four atm. Don't forget, they also won La Liga fairly recently as well! Spanish teams tend to concentrate on cup competitions more - because Real Madrid or Barca can get knocked out - whereas they can't in the league. Bundesliga and Serie A are much worse, they have become the 'all stars' of their respective leagues.
@ivaneurope
@ivaneurope 7 жыл бұрын
rickenfatania Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. The only reason Sevilla won EL for the past 3 years is because the only viable competition - the English teams - don't give a damn about EL and the rest are too weak. Atletico were beten decisively by Real on both occasions and are distant third with no chance of catching up. Atletico's form is like that of Valencia in the mid-2000's and Deportivo from the late 90's. Atletico will slowly begin to drop once Griezmann accepts Ed Woodward's United offer and Simeone jumps ship to Inter. Sevilla also have troubles - they've lost their transfer guru Monchi to Roma
@rickenfatania
@rickenfatania 7 жыл бұрын
"Atletico were beten decisively by Real on both occasions" It was level after 90 mins and 120 mins last two finals. RM were lucky (Ramos, Header, last minute) and then again on penalties. What matches were you watching? Compare that to Bayern Munich who've lost the past five matches to RM. Atletico have also done better than Barcelona in the CL overall these past four seasons. As for the Europa League, 5 of the last 7 teams to win it were Spanish and NEITHER were Real Madrid or Barcelona. What other league can boast such numbers? It was then end for Atletico when Torres left and Aguero and Falcao and Costa and now Griezmann. If you're going to talk about a glass ceiling at least make sure you get your facts straight, Spanish teams are the best in Europe.
@ymca4547
@ymca4547 7 жыл бұрын
I think what the above fella meant to say, in regards to Real's defeat of AM in 2014 UCL Final was this - It was even up until the end of normal time, I agree. But in extra time you could see Atletico were tired, knackered and RM just carved them up.
@AbdirahmanIdris-ku9xm
@AbdirahmanIdris-ku9xm Жыл бұрын
​@ivaneurope absolutely. Real Madrid are definitely corrupt considering they have political connections too. Barca do the same. All the big clubs do it. Bayern are the most blatant. They take every single star they can from the bundesliga
@krupesh333
@krupesh333 5 жыл бұрын
Rube will lose more titles if proper investigations are done for other seasons
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