The end of Italian football's secret advantage

[@josecipriano3048]

It isn't up to the people (i.e., taxpayers) to financially support football teams. If a club can afford a player or coach, good for them, if not, bad luck. Don't use people's taxes that should be going into schools and hospitals, to allow big clubs to buy expensive players. Many people don't even like football, so they are paying for a circus they don't even watch.

[@bepamungkas]

In a sense, they're not "using" people's taxes. Tax breaks allows those football teams to operate at tighter margins while improving performance. This in turn allow the sector to attract more business in form of sponsorship, ticket sales, merch purchases, etc. All of those (inteded to) ended up recouping the lost revenue from sectoral tax break by taxing the economic activities generated. e.g AC Milan recently turned profit for the first time in nearly two decades due to sponsorship and media deals, with some of those get taxed either directly (corp tax) or indirectly (when they spend it on workforce, players, and club renovations). Note that oppositions against Growth Decree never really argued about cost to taxpayers, since its pretty trivial to dismiss that argument by showing the recouped income due to increase in competitiveness. The main argument against the rule is that it was applied discriminatively (only affect post-2020 signing) and damaging indigenous talent growth due to cheaper cost of "importing" outside talent. As for laypeople, the one affected the most in terms of taxes is actually football fans. Since a shift in competition's prestige would more likely to affect their spending pattern as opposed to those who are not interested in football.

[@UnfortunateCritic4]

whilst i agree with the sentiment of your argument, im going have to say your last point is wide off the mark. Yes there are people that don't like football (duh) however the number that do is huge and in Italy especially where football is recognised as its national sport, your analogy is dead wrong. They'd be paying for a circus in which the majority will be attending.

[@lucabalbinot6475]

The growth degree was not intended for football. Ans was not revoked for football. It Just happened tò also benefit football clubs.

[@lucabalbinot6475]

The growth degree was not intended for football. Ans was not revoked for football. It Just happened tò also benefit football clubs.

[@lucabalbinot6475]

The growth degree was not intended for football. Ans was not revoked for football. It Just happened tò also benefit football clubs.

[@anthonyc7407]

You needed to pull on that home grown talent string a bit more especially how many teams are constantly buying foreign players and have zero Italians on the team because it's cheaper. That is the reason the league is in shambles. Serie A was a great league when they had an over abundance of great Italian players and the league was very competitive.

[@Oggxb]

Juventus is the main club currently using the most italians in their squad rotation

[@Coolbeans1492]

That was when it was in the rules that teams could only have 5-6 foreign players in the squad. Thats kind of happening today but more by being priced out of players from abroad. For example Juve this summer brought cambiasso into the squad in top of gatti fagioli miretti locatelli and chiesa. Atalanta have scalvini and scamacca. Inter haven’t invested greatly in Italians but they did sign frattesi. If anything the teams are getting talent in their academies and signing within the league which is what’s making it stronger step by step. If they sign from abroad they tend to go for free signings or lowkey talent that flys under the radar.

[@pulleyfm8585]

@@Coolbeans1492 Here's what I can't understand about Italian football. Spurs signed the statistically best keeper this season in the premier league for 17m, the best leftback for22m an incredible valuable midfielder for 19 and one of the most underrated players in the league in Dejan Kulusevski for 25m. Juve let Dragusin walk out the door for 5.5m to another Italian team. Sure Romero cost a lot, but so did Kim. It took Vicario forever to get a chance at the top level for Empoli who were bottom table fodder and no other Italian team thought he was worth signing before Spurs did. Dudes 27 years old that's a long time for Italian clubs to just question him. Counting Vicario that's three starters and a 21 year squad player out of Italy that were told they weren't in their teams plans going forward so Spurs got them for nothing basically. Destiny and Romero are both key players, but their transfers make a lot more sense to me. The big teams in Italy rarely if ever give young players a chance, and even after they do a coaching change means giving up on all the talent signing 30 years on frees instead. It makes no sense at all. The only reason Juve are even playing their VERY talented youngsters is because they had so many injuries early on they had literally no other option. Then something very strange happened... they started winning so the players haven't been cast off yet. Change the coach though and I'm sure teams will stockpile their lineups for the next 10+ years off the Juve youth setup per usual.

[@Coolbeans1492]

@@pulleyfm8585 honestly nah man… look at juve for example? Miretti came into the team at 19, fagioli was 21 as a starter, yildiz is 18. Cambiasso is young too. Nonge is like 18-19 hes getting minutes as is iling jr. Inter is another story and ac milan is planning to incorporate its u23 players into the first team as well. If anything thats changing at a rapid pace tbh. And you won’t find Italian clubs spending that much in one season. Its not a lot individually but it is collectively. Juve let dragusin walk because he wasnt good in a juve shirt plain and simple. I watched him he wasnt good neither was kulusevski. Romero never got a chance and he is a good cb but hes also reckless at times and is card prone. Not what you want in crucial moments like finals. Destiny udogie sold for around 20-30 mln. In italy you can sign a star player for that kind of money. Cambiasso was no where near that price and is one of the best wingbacks in the league. Vicario went to spurs because this past summer italian clubs couldn’t afford him. The harsh truth is that rn inter is in so much debt they cant spend 17 mln especially after signing frattesi and taking on more wages. They wont get punished bc they never do. You’re also basing your analysis on these players on how they have performed in epl. In that list of players only 2 were quality in serie a: udogie and vicario. The rest of them each flopped at juventus. And again I would know because i watched all of their games. Every single one. And right now id say with the exception of napoli and milan. The italian clubs have grown quite a bit. Mous roma didn’t perform well but its squad is full of top talent. Lazio under sarri is much of the same. Fiorentina is now competing for top 4. Atalanta is still a good side although not what they were 4 years ago maybe. Even a team like bologna is in the runnings for top spots. Juve and inter are top sides anywhere in world football rn. And theres only more to come. Like i said theyre signing within the league and theyre not going for 30 year olds. Juve and inter were battling over frattesi whos 23. Baldanzi is another top target hes early 20s. If anything juve is only signing youth rn only lile adzic for example. Thaigo djalo for their first team is their only jan signing for the first team and hes 23. The youth projects emerging in italy are just things you dont know about. But they are becoming the norm because they cant make big money signings. Juves youth project in particular is one of the best in the world and recruits the top prospects from within academies. And its evident on the pitch as players who arent even 24 are challenging for the scudetto. If you havent been watching i strongly advise you do because since life was injected back into the league this has been the best season yet and the most competitive across the board. Youd be surprised at just how good the quality of play is. Its v different to epl and is v v tactical and imo domestic games are more entertaining to watch especially the smaller teams because they tend to be more intense. Like i watched genoa vs salernitana recently and it was one of the most intense games ive seen all year. Pippo inzaghi vs gilardino in management as well and both world cup winners, ucl winners, and former team mates.

[@pulleyfm8585]

@@Coolbeans1492 Romero won Serie A defender of the year, That's why he cost money compared to the rest.

[@gwilwilliams5831]

What I like about Italian football is that they have lots of Italian players in the Italian Serie A teams. I think that’s fantastic for the fans, for the players and their families and for the general happiness of all. Long may it continue.

[@gabrielaleactus9932]

It's applicable for all the other top 5 leagues like la liga, Bundesliga, ligue 1 as well..... Maybe premier league is an exception

[@NIDELLANEUM]

It's so funny how people here in Italy complain that there aren't *enough* Italian players

[@Solid_Snake99]

There's too many foreigners. That's why the national team is losing

[@RafaelRodriguez-mx7fd]

@@Solid_Snake99your national team is losing because you have been slow on investing in youth over the last 20 years since your golden generation started peaking

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Higher On Vigrx USD SGD

[@walruuus4179]

I hope that italian football will one day re-establish themselves as european powerhouses.

[@danfromtheburgh]

Not the most entertaining league, was it? Defensive football?

[@michelangelobuonarroti4958]

​@@danfromtheburghbruh u gotta watch the league too instead of making baseless accusations

[@12thMandalorian]

not with this change, almost like the government want the league to go backwards

[@francesco43567]

In the last 4-5 years Italian football has become far less defensive than before, there are a lot of teams that actually play an attacking and propositional football such as Inter Milan, Bologna, Fiorentina, Atalanta...

[@containedhurricane]

It'd be highly improbable, because English language/ culture are too dominant in the world and nobody could forget Calciopoli scandal

[@gregoriuspascalis500]

We can only speculate how this will benefit or detrimental to Italy. The way I see it is Serie A doesn't benefit but Italian national team does in the long term.

[@lesscrement1448]

As an Italian Serie A fan, the benefits for the national team will realistically be minimal or nonexistent. If a player is good they will emerge, let's be real. The decree was not affecting which players were being invested in the youth sector, since academy players make very little money. This is pretty much just a setback, if anyone who says otherwise they are just lying to themselves.

[@Арчи-д5т]

@@lesscrement1448 if a big club wants a big player, club would buy him no matter what. mostly this would close the route of agents bringing talantess traores and bokayokos from which they get their comission fees making them to focus on actually pushing local talent.

[@gregoriuspascalis500]

@@lesscrement1448 however good academy tend to belong to a big club, even if talent emerge from local club, they might be bought or scouted directly to the big club. These big clubs also preferred to buy player rather than nurturing them. Talented players needs a good environment to bloom and Growth decree doesn't help them. Perhaps the benefits is minimal like you said, after all if Italy really care, they would invest directly to youth facility like German did in the past.

[@jontalbot1]

People in England used to argue that the influx of foreign coaches and players would make the national team worse. In fact, the opposite has happened. Spanish coaches in particular have greatly improved the game and English players, coached by the best and playing with the best have greatly benefitted

[@Арчи-д5т]

@@jontalbot1 nice to hear that! what tournaments did England win after the influx of foreign players and coaches?

[@ZvenoBlox]

Serie A didn't modernize in time, and now they're regretting it.

[@gordon1545]

By modernize do you means "sell their souls to dictators and billionaires"? I'd rather support a Serie A club than an English Premier League club. Have you seen the ticket prices?

[@filler6749]

@@gordon1545 nah stadium and club facilities are still stuck in the 90's with little incentive to improve. You can look at Germany or Spain to see the difference.

[@ifldiscovery8500]

@@gordon1545 Inter Milan are already owned by dictators that ahve concentration camps. Your embracing osiclaism had killed football with your stupid idea of involving government. Italian = stupid socialists

[@francescogreco9826]

​@@gordon1545in Italy it is impossible to build new stadiums and therefore increase revenues, unless your name is Juventus, except for a couple of small clubs in the North. This is a huge problem for Italian football. Then italian clubs owners are really shor sighted and close minded. Tv rights revenues are declining, but nobody cares, while in other countries are raising. Italian football does not have international appeal, that's the problem

[@kole081]

@@gordon1545 No, he means they didn't invest a cent in stadiums P.S. Inter is owned by the Chinese, Roma by Americans, and so as Milan....

[@vishavkishore]

How about you start sharing broadcast revenue equally among all teams and play matches at time when viewers from across the world can watch them, and not depend on tax cuts lmao

[@miguel261998]

What time would that be?

[@benedictjajo]

​@@miguel261998bro thinks where he lives is the correct time to broadcast.

[@artsbyoba]

​@@miguel261998 I was about to ask the same question

[@gregoriuspascalis500]

La Liga doesn't do that but they still perform on European stage.

[@filler6749]

@@gregoriuspascalis500that’s because 8th place in la liga gets the same amount of tv revenue as winning serie a gives you and la liga clubs have better youth facilities and actually own the stadiums they play in .

[@DARKi701]

the funniest part of this? In one of the three parties who makes this governments, there are two members of parlament in particular The first is Claudio Lotito, AKA the SS Lazio Chairman The Second one is Adriano Galliani, yeah, Berlusconi's historical assistant at AC Milan And the failed to prevent this

[@nicholasadams1283]

Thank you. I’d like to hear more about the internal politics. Why should a resurgent national team not appeal to a right wing nationalist government? Was the failure to advance into the World Cup what sealed the law’s demise?

[@DARKi701]

​@@nicholasadams1283 Weel, it's very complicated But you have only to know this: it's not very different from any Berlusconi's government And not only because there is Forza Italia The main party (Fratelli d'Italia) is considered fascist because it's founded by former member of the MSI (not the PC company), which was founded by Fascist who survived in WW2 And then they worked with Forza Italia also in the 90s and 2000s So, they continues to act as a conservative liberals, with also behind the mentality of the Democrazia Cirstian (for which I suggest you to read about that) Let's conclude with a fun fact: the S in MSI stands for "Sociale", social Because Mussolini was socialist, nearly communist, and so they tried to clean their image This was also one of the main reason of why the Fascism is so popular In conclusion, they are not as patriotic as they would make us believe

[@nicholasadams1283]

Grazie mille. N

[@laszlobandi6456]

lazio is nazio :p I think fifa should set rules on salaries. players like nedved, schevchenko, kaka, etc were able to play well, sell well, even real only bought one star per year. now one player worth more than a whole team. italy was quite efficient with money. now it won't matter.

[@ciaoatutti307]

​@Elenigkioulou1of course my treasure 😄 tell me

[@yobamos2158]

1:20 a 10 million Euro salary is indeed gross

[@huguesjouffrai9618]

I feel like these issues of taxation and competitiveness of economies are much easier to explain to people when it's about football. Football is a great way to vulgarize finance, economics, business, marketing etc to a wide audience

[@murtiigulgen]

It is so sad to see the fall of Italian Football from their prime time in 2000s as an Inter Milan fan

[@mike04574]

90s too, epl started to take over in 2000s

[@villek3722]

@@mike04574 not really. Laliga was easily best league itw after serie a all the way to 2019 or so

[@SlimeJime]

inter literally one of the best teams in europe and you guys still find something to complain about lmao

[@TSEEMOD_618]

@@SlimeJime because it would be even bigger if it wasn't for an almost bankrupted previous owner (Moratti) and the stupid ideas of Milan municipality about Stadium. Ever thought about that? Are you even Italian?

[@Lucarocks92]

The best time was the nineties every team could beat any team in the world

[@UrsHofer-x9o]

First and foremost, it was never the intention to support Italian Serie A clubs with this Tax Legislation, but to stop the further emigration of skilled people or to entice native Italians who have already emigrated to return to Italy. They had normal people in normal jobs in mind when implementing this, not 200 foreign millionaire football players. But sure, Serie A is probably the industry in Italy who made the most of it. That is why they are now the loudest to complain.

[@trishennaidoo1309]

Now Jose getting fired makes sense 😂

[@TheAzzanellese]

The change in law is not retroactive. All benefits remain for any contract signed when the law was in place

[@iso460]

​@@TheAzzanellesehis contract was running out in the summer and he asked the board several times to renew it last year

[@trishennaidoo1309]

@@TheAzzanellese contracts don't have how much tax u pay mate it's government law evryone with start to pay the new percentage of tax, it depends if the player contact are pre or post tax amounts. They government didn't sign any agreements with the business ,it affects a lot more important Bussiness in Italy than football clubs.

[@BB-sl2so]

​@@trishennaidoo1309 I think you didnt understand what he meant. Further, it would have been far more logic for Roma to sack Mourinho and hire a new coach before this law expired. Now they have to pay more taxes for the same net amount.

[@BB-sl2so]

​@@iso460 So what? Mourinho had bad results and got fired. That has nothing to do with Mourinho wanting a new contract. If Roma wanted to save money/taxes they would have sacked him and hired a new coach BEFORE this law expired. Because since 1st January Roma have to pay more taxes for the same amount of net salary.

[@BigBoyJay_69]

Wow. Billionaires wanting more tax breaks? Such a surprise....

[@j.s3300]

No player is a billionaire

[@gordon1545]

@@j.s3300 The owners are. But you're right, these players are merely millionaires. That makes them just like you and me?

[@MA-go7ee]

Who doesn't want tax breaks? Also, rich people tend to get more tax breaks BECAUSE THEIR TAX RATES ARE ALREADY SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. Middle class and lower classes already pay much lower rates so of course they get less breaks. This dumb rich people are evil thing is getting really old. I bet you're a redditor.

[@forzaacmilan36]

@@gordon1545It has nothing to with benefitting football players. The whole point is to help grow the National League and Serie A clubs, which in return would bring in more tax revenue in the long run

[@cowboybeboop9420]

​@gordon1545 Most players aren't. They make lots of money relative to you but they have a 10-15 year long career and can't live off that for the rest of their life. At the same time they spent their lives playing football and have no real life skills to fall back for the next 30-40 years they've got left to live. It's not great being an owner either. For the most part you spend billions on a club with very little return. Only about 0,01% actually go on to make the big money and they are the ones that benefit the most.

[@jontalbot1]

In European football there has always been times when different leagues dominate although the dominance is usually restricted to a few elite clubs in each country. The PL will not rule forever

[@j.s3300]

If not for the euro ban, I think the PL would have been dominating financially for much longer. The euro ban set them back years

[@crystalz-h1d]

italy dominated 80s and 90s that's why they have crisis. nobody can dominate forever

[@realtalk6195]

PL being an English-language powerhouse and the first lucrative league means they will be on people's TV screens for as long as association football itself is popular.

[@AndrewLaReal]

The amount of needed to compete is a lot larger. It’s irrelevant to compare football to 20 years ago. Serie will never be the top league again unless they get a large investors.

[@jontalbot1]

@@realtalk6195 none of us know what is going to happen next week let alone next year and l don’t think the English language has much to do with the popularity of the PL

[@fernandoalves921]

Tifo could you make a “what happened to Botafogo” video and tell us about the biggest disappointment in Brazil league from 1st most of the season with 13pts above 2nd place to lose it all and stay behind top 5 at the end of the season. Would be an amazing topic 😅

[@espben360]

I think this is the wrong channel. You mean HTIC

[@TheBlueComanche]

Let alfie cook give him time

[@Alo4321]

So Jose went there when it came in and left when it ran out .. nice man

[@Ninja-gt3zi]

He got sacked

[@thatgreyocean631]

​@@Ninja-gt3zi you lost the best manager in the world, what a shame

[@Al-ji4gd]

@@thatgreyocean631 Yeah, he's so good that he has been sacked from 4 clubs in a row now haha.

[@tahahadada1936]

He is a good manger not the best but still good for roma​@@Al-ji4gd

[@reecee5454]

Serie A in my opinion is one of the most under appreciated leagues in the world right now. 2006-2014 was peak Serie A, now it’s almost treated as a football academy for the more organised and richer leagues to come in and swoop up the best players.

[@dre6289]

90s were peak Serie A.

[@johnappleseed8146]

by more richer you mean Epl. Serie A is a far better product then La Liga or Bundesliga. Just say you don't watch it, that's fine. It's a fantastic competitive leauge it just doesn't have the marketing budget as the la liga. No one has the money of the EPL, but that is what it is

[@Vikii2024]

​@@johnappleseed8146 if serie a is so better why dont they win CL . Go and watch the stadiums of serie a teams , they are collapsing . Nobody wants to play in serie a .

[@johnappleseed8146]

@Vikii2024 serie a doesn't have a psg or real madrid level team anymore, they did in juve and now that they have fallen off there's about 8 teams that genuinely compete for Europe and they can clearly all win games against other teams in other leauges in Europe as shown by Serie A having the most European points this year. Obviously Inter going back to the UCL final would be a great story but it was never realistic... they don't have the spending power of other elite clubs. Serie A is finally getting most of their big clubs to fix their stadiums but I agree they took too long tho

[@Vikii2024]

@@johnappleseed8146 serie a dont have money . Italian economy is also in bad shape .

[@nathangraegin1850]

The growth decree is a direct reason why Italy is in shambles. The top teams are barely using Italians with the exception of inter and juventus. Milan, Roma, fioric Napoli ect are foreign heavy. Instead of using or buying better players in Italy, they go the cheap route and get know or washed players. The growth decree would be useful to get big name players, not trash like Abraham, thiaw and many others. The growth decree leaving was the best thing for ITALIAN football. If we want to watch a all foreign team, we can go watch the epl

[@filler6749]

This is a good thing Yeah they won’t buy overpriced players from the epl But this will help them to improve their stadiums and youth facilities to actually produce and train more Italian talent. Which will only benefit both the nt and serie a as a whole. Same thing happened in la liga when ffp was brought in look at them now . Teams like la real had 15 academy players in the first team which outplayed ucl finalists inter Milan and look at the young talent that teams across the league have produced recently. It’s a good thing in the long run.

[@Numero6dl]

"Improve their stadiums". In a country where almost every stadia is public property and administrations boycott the constructions of new ones. That's the reason why Milan and Inter want to build their new homes in the suburbs. And Juventus only has a private stadium because they basically got the terrain almost free. By the way... "teams like la real had 15 academy players". No they hadn't.

[@filler6749]

@@Numero6dl they did Elustondo Le normand Munoz Odriozola Zubeldia Pacheco Zubimendi Olagasti Turrientes Orzayabal Carlos Fernandez Barrenetxea Merquelanez Are from their youth academy

[@filler6749]

@@Numero6dl You can't blame only the government for the clubs playing in old stadiums and having non existent youth development. You gotta blame the clubs and serie a management at some point.

[@filler6749]

@@Numero6dl I will give you an example go check out the improvements Mallorca and Almeria have made to their stadiums over the past 2 seasons. Then come and tell me if it's the government's fault or the club's fault.

[@filler6749]

@mosaabtwice3999 which part

[@GM-tw4el]

I can remember in the 90s the Italian league was the best in the world with the most money and highest transfer fees.

[@l3thal_]

No wonder Mourinho was sacked

[@saucemandan7961]

Actually makes more sense now

[@lesscrement1448]

I wouldn't say that's likely to be a big reason. He still gets paid until his contract runs out.

[@Numero6dl]

Except it has nothing to do. There is no retroactivity and Mourinho will still get paid until the end of the contract or if he signs for a new club. In Italy, "sacking" doesn't imply firing.

[@someguy909]

It won't be to do with this change in taxation. The gross cost to the club for Mourinho's salary would still have remained the same, but Mourinho would have taken home less. If anything, this change in rule would have incentivised Mourinho to leave Italy (which he didn't voluntarily), than for the club to sack him.

[@eavyeavy2864]

​@@Numero6dlcr7 is the only one get fired

[@albertbrammer9263]

Italian football has become worse because its national players are not coming through. Teams should be investing more on Academies

[@raxit1337]

The music on this video goes hard

[@TimKhalikov]

Corsica finally joined Italy? Should’ve happened a while ago

[@josecipriano3048]

If I had a business and wanted to hire someone but can't afford it, I'm out of luck. If Roma wants Mourinho but can't afford him without tax breaks, they should be as well. It's not anyone's fault that they, or whatever other club, want things that they can't afford.

[@kaitheguy3572]

Serie A cannot produce talented Italian players anymore. That’s why the national team is in such a poor state right now.

[@leolundgren2054]

Hahah why did you put the Irish flag? 0:21

[@simonedelgrosso4519]

it's true they removed the decree, and they did well, who cares about football. But they still reassured the club owners about the construction of the stadiums in the coming years

[@roccociccone597]

the stadiums is the important thing I think. If we can finally enter the new millennium with our stadiums our league can be a lot more competitive.

[@royl7ven]

A lot of misinformation and omitting of details and context in this video.. first of all the growth decree was not a law a created for football... football is just a business that exploited it..

[@AbdirahmanIdris-ku9xm]

Calciopoli really hurt Italian football.

[@bipee3937]

Many people confuse tax breaks with not paying taxes.

[@italy3571]

I hope Italian football comes back one day. The atmosphere here is far better than many other places like England but the results don't show

[@no1wasgeorgiebest]

No it isn't, the grounds are all empty.

[@jackmurphy6864]

@@no1wasgeorgiebest No, they're not lol. Attendances are way up in recent years. 3 Italian teams are in the top 8 for attendances for Europe this season, and there's only 1 English team. The atmosphere at a big Italian game blows anything else out of the water in any other league. England is a graveyard in comparison.

[@vmfstud5201]

@@jackmurphy6864 But the % attendance across the Serie A is the lowest of the big 5 european leagues.

[@jackmurphy6864]

@@vmfstud5201 % compared to capacity, you mean? Stadiums are far too big in Italy, so that causes that problem. The running tracks around some are terrible too. Serie A's average attendance just over 10 years ago was 21,000. Now it's nearly 30,000. Over the last 10 years, it's: Bundesliga: down 500 per game to 43,000 Epl: up 3,500 per game to 40,000 La Liga: up 2,500 to 29,500 Serie A: up 6,300 to 29,500 Ligue 1: up 2,500 to 23,700 So Serie A has, by far, the largest increase.

[@vmfstud5201]

@@jackmurphy6864 yes there is a significant increase in Serie A. Hope it will stay this and there will be no other major scandal. But the Bundesliga for example has not much more room for increase. Not with the current teams. The average stadium capacity this season is just above 39.000.

[@ptlemon1101]

Sneaky Corsica trying to be Italy again on the thumbnail

[@diegoromeo7237]

Do you even know what "benefactor" means? You really meant "beneficiary". Great way of establishing your credibility.

[@SooperJudas]

1Billion euros a year to keep series A relevant. Absolutely shocking and unfair

[@tommasoleonardi8535]

Even other leaguesl have tax advantages like this, its not only in Italy

[@jmmypaddy]

It seems that the reasoning by scrapping it makes sense. Not all Italians benefit from it, but a very small number. Those benefit most from an economy should repay that back into the ecomomy. Salary caps in all European leagues would be what is required. Therefore, no league benefits more than the other.

[@segafreak2000]

Unfortunately, salary caps across Europe are never going to work unless you specifically say that players also aren't allowed to make money from other things. If you put a limit on salaries, clubs with rich investors will simply find external ways to get that additional money to players, usually through stuff like sponsorships. It's a method that has no bite at all.

[@containedhurricane]

That means Juventus must sell Vlahovic and Napoli should sell Osimhen to the highest bidder in the summer

[@eazyez5717]

Nope. Vlahovic doesn't have the benfit, since he already played in italy. Osimhen probably. But the Law is only since january, and doesn't touch the previous contracts. Inter could have been in troubles, because they signed thuram and pavard, who are pai9d somethign like 6 million each. With the law they cost 15 million, without i think they should cost 18 or so.

[@micheleduritto]

On top of what the other guy said up here^^^ Vlahovic and Juventus doesn't really have this problems, because they are owned by one of the biggest business conglomerate in Europe and in the world, they are not so different from clubs owned by sheiks, and that is the reason why juventus was stll fine even before this tax law, and why it was dominating Serie A when every other clubs were struggling during those years.

[@charlestruppi7793]

Osimhen has a buy out clause of €130M he just signed into his contract extension. Someone shows up with that cash, nothing Napoli can do to keep him. Unless he sustains a bad injury the rest of this season, he’s headed to EPL in the summer.

[@c0222]

Why should people earning high sums pay less tax?

[@SigmaBeta97]

Because without tax benefits those people earning high sums would simply not be there but they would be somewhere else.

[@c0222]

@@SigmaBeta97 alright. So tax the people who have no choice but to live there the most is what you're saying? Is that morally acceptable?

[@SigmaBeta97]

@@c0222 I am saying that those rich players from abroad were signed and are paying the taxes that they are paying thanks to that decree. Without that law, the rich would not pay more, would simply pay zero because Italian clubs would not have had the possibility to sign them. In Spain, at the time of Real Madrid signing Beckham, a law with a similar aim was passed.

[@hitthurdeaux]

Watch the video for the answer 😂

[@thomHD]

Italian and Spanish football have always benefited from the influx of South American players - when someone tells you the Premier League is all about the money, it's not as if there's ever been great players coming in from Australia and the US.

[@gadget00]

So Serie A will be the next league full of "local players"(yay!) that only compete among themselves because the big stars are elsewhere, and only 2 teams are worth anything in european clashes. It happened to Spain, and Germany before them. It's the circle of (football club) Life

[@theLonelyBandit6984]

The point of Italy's qualification is really foolish one. They failed in 2018 as well before the decree. They won the Euros during the decree. Italian clubs are reaching European finals and are bringing money into the Italian economy. Football should be viewed as a business, atleast at the top level

[@vinnyvasquez]

Competitively they've shot themselves in the foot. Now all those players will leave and many won't come in the future, so Italy will get 0 taxes from them instead of a reduction. A sporting and financial own goal.

[@TheInselaffen]

I love Romiley Car Queue.

[@maropengrampyapedi938]

Brilliant video

[@nikolaivista920]

That growth decree did not work well. Last serie A team to win UCL was Inter in 2010. Juventus made it to the UCL final in 2015 and 2017, but lost them both! Last serie A team to win UEFA Cup/Europa League was Parma and way back in 1999! Roma were runners-up last year and Inter were runners up in 2020. With all the footballing talent and history in Italy, serie A teams were expected to be better during European play. But they haven't done anything in the last 14 years! The growth decree went into effect in 2020 and the results were less than stellar! Take that for data!

[@NoName-hg6cc]

Atalanta won the EL

[@nikolaivista920]

@@NoName-hg6cc I concentrate on the UCL because that is the one that really matters!

[@NoName-hg6cc]

@@nikolaivista920 All cups matter

[@nikolaivista920]

@@NoName-hg6cc Stop making excuses! The UCL is the grandaddy of them all and since no Serie A team has won it since 2009-10, you want to make the other ones as relevant! You can't! No one can! The other cups in Europe are there just because FIFA execs want their money. Europa League is a consolation prize and everyone knows that.

[@NoName-hg6cc]

@@nikolaivista920 It's not an excuse! Or is it that your team hasn't won it in recent years so it doesn't count?

[@freefly82]

I think there was the same law in Spain too

[@T.E.S.S.]

when that seagul popped up, am I the only one who imagined JJ going "CAWWWW"?

[@m.k.s.7417]

My goodness, if Italian_FOOTball; struggled: WITH: Its "Advantage"; then: how much worst, will it be; with-out: -such: -said; "Advantage"; sigh???? -M.K.S.

[@larsporsena9529]

Really foolish - sports aren’t just entertainment, they are an industry. Attracting more talent = more money for the system = more jobs. You’d think Italy would realise 50% tax rates don’t work (especially in the EU where their citizens can easily work elsewhere) after years of brain drain and financial stagnation.

[@m.k.s.7417]

I think, that: -Politicians -etc., should: -surely {and assuredly}; "Provide: MORE; Not less_ tax -cut's, for: "Investing; into: (the) FOOTball!!"!!"!!!!! -M.K.S.

[@hendrikmispelon4936]

Do you realise in your thumbnail you put Corsica in white, while it is part of France?

[@adam01101]

Serie A has to keep their own players like England and Spain do, but can't match wages from the Premier league + Top european clubs. They need a huge financial turnaround

[@eavyeavy2864]

Now you know Ligue 1 woe

[@Jame5man]

So it cost the government 674 million/year and generated 150 million/year in benefit to the teams. I’m no economics major but that math ain’t mathing

[@neilturner6749]

I had assumed that the film would be about the widespread steroid use by Italian clubs from the 1970s to 1990s when testing became more rigorous…

[@petergreen5337]

❤It's DIFFICULT for ANYONE to compete with hedge funds, foreign billionaires and sometimes countries at a LOCAL level against similar opponents at INTERNATIONAL LEVEL.

[@AC_Milan1899]

It's fine, means young Italian players will now get a chance. Will make the national team stronger

[@Timbone07]

Not really. The best Italian players will go to England for example

[@vitodoriacalcio]

​@@Timbone07Not every Italian player will be like Tonali or Zaniolo. Too many players prefer the comforts of home and don't like to leave their own bubble, regardless of how much money is thrown at them.

[@Timbone07]

@@vitodoriacalcio You are ignoring the likes of Jorginho but he is technically Brazillian lol. To me honest after Italy won the Euros I expected most of their team to go abroad. Dont forget Vicario

[@vitodoriacalcio]

@Timbone07 Nevertheless, they are exceptions to the rule, and I have left out Jorginho because he was born and raised in Brazil. What we saw at the end of last season was unique as Italians usually don't like to leave Italy. Putting it bluntly, they are mummy's boys. However, this is where lessons can be learnt from Italian immigration over the decades or centuries. When there is job opportunities and better money elsewhere, take it!

[@Timbone07]

@@vitodoriacalcio True. I will argue it is why their national team can't qualify for the World Cup. Players are too used to their comfort zone and fold under pressure. Germany is similar

[@living_craft]

Out of context, Girona's tactics should be included in tifo's video file

[@TK_Brainslug]

thought the contracts in italy were always after tax

[@elmatadoraelmatador2587]

As a Spanish, seeing this miserable situation of Italy, I cannot help but questioning about their North Korea-like mindset of operation. Now what they need is not just an entirely new staff, but they need a new coach. I can assure you Luciano Spalletti isn't going to last and Italy will fail in Euro 2024, which their crisis will become worsen. If they are smart, they should begin accepting that Italy can't compete with Argentina, Germany, Uruguay, Spain, Portugal, Brazil, England and France, and they need experts from either of these countries to help foster back their decaying football. Including a coach, which Italy should be coached by a foreigner. If they still think like now, even China will defeat them.

[@ins0mniac756]

Our coaches are more then fine, thanks. You should know that at least, Carlo Ancelotti is in change of Real Madrid ffs, under which rock of the Tabernas desert are you living Mr Spanish?

[@francisdrake7060]

Ahahah tipico esp ardido. La temporada pasada 3 equipos Italianos en final, desde que has nacido viste tu paisito llegar a tan solo una final de mundial y crees que necesitamos ayuda de vostros? Nos vemos pronto cuando os sacaremos de nuevo de la Eurocopa, los esp estais obsesionados con hablar chorradas de Italia, per los que conocemos la realidad de tu pais, nos descojonamos.😂

[@ResidentNick]

Excellent call on Italy failing in the Euros. Just lost to Switzerland 2-0 in shameful fashion.

[@elmatadoraelmatador2587]

@@ins0mniac756 I won lmao.

[@NoName-hg6cc]

Even if you win the Euro( if) it doesn't mean anything, Spanish football is overrated and the only reason your teams win by not respect money requirement. By the way, who is the coach of Real, remind me? Call when Spain has 4 world cups

[@bens4602]

England must do similar. We really need this issue to be curbed. What started as trying to attract talent is now plain neglect of our own.

[@blarn95]

Really don't buy the argument this has helped that much - Roma's results in the league have been pretty mediocre under Mourinho and Inter and Milan's runs in the champions league this season were largely down to favourable draws. Would rather see the clubs investing in sustainable and long-term assets like their youth setups, scouting and improving the matchday experience for fans than gimmicks like this to try and keep up with the Premier League by enabling signings of 'big name' players and managers (whose success isn't down to tax breaks!); they are just too far behind at this point to compete and should re-consider what they prioritise

[@James_Byron]

RIP Italian football, sad too see

[@vEliZ_3132]

Waiting Arthur Friedenreich video :)

[@ndexer]

This is Italian FA's own fault, not the Italian government.

[@Wallacenawa]

Calcio is back............❤🖤

[@eavyeavy2864]

4:50 fact

[@nazimjijel5387]

after the changed the one goal away advantage italian clubs will no longer can use their tactic, score away and 12 defending

[@bosco7837]

Serie A teams cannot break FIFA's financial fair-play rules like Premier League teams seem to do on a daily basis, so this bonus simply levelled the playing field. Most Serie A teams have to make do with a 5 to 20 million euros budget for their transfer market, which is as much as Premier League teams spend on massage therapists alone.

[@filler6749]

Serie a clubs also make millions of losses every season. Last season was the first time Milan was profitable in 17 years. It's a much more nuanced conversation than just serie a clubs making less money .

[@bosco7837]

@@filler6749 yes Serie A teams make less TV/Ad revenue money due to them not being good at marketing their football to Arabs, Africans, Asians, Americans etc and not turning their stadiums into amusement parks for milkcow families. There are still a few countries in Europe where football is a sport, not a product to sell like McDonald's burgers. However, the problem is still FIFA's application of their rules, that allow a mid-table PL team to spend 200 million euros in transfers without selling any player, while most of the other teams in Europe have to adhere to strict regulations.

[@MichaelH3948]

FIFA does not have FFP rules, UEFA does and even then it only applies to teams competing in European competition. I don't believe Serie A even has domestic spending rules and restrictions so clubs are free to mismanage themselves however they see fit unlike the Premier League which has its own profit and sustainability rules. Premier League teams are not in violation of PSR and those that are have been heavily punished.

[@bosco7837]

@@MichaelH3948 Let's see when Manchester City will be heavily punished then. I have not seen it yet!

[@MichaelH3948]

@@bosco7837 You'll have to wait for their scheduled hearing date. The number and complexity of the charges means investigations take a long time

[@Football_Days_2024]

Italy thr best football country in Europe

[@ianstarkm]

Isn’t there also an Italian tax break wherein you can pay a fixed €100k annually and then earn as much as you want? Wouldn’t this make the Growth Decree a bit pointless for most football players? Because under this regime, De Zerbi could be offered €10m and earn €9.9m.

[@Vesciroth]

From what I can tell, that tax break only applies to income you earn from sources outside of Italy. You'd still pay the full Italian tax rate for any income you earn from sources inside Italy itself, including any Italian football clubs.

[@natebernasconi]

​@@Vescirothso top Italian players are instead incentivised to play abroad? Lol.

[@aldobonaso3481]

@@natebernasconi no, because in doing so would mean they are not resident or working in Italy, thus don't pay Italian tax...

[@natebernasconi]

@@aldobonaso3481 lol, true, I didn't think that through well enough at the time 😄 Playing within the Shengen Zone might offer some kind've loophole there but as an Australian back living in Australia I probably have better things to do this summer's day that look up those laws.

[@gabedifabio]

They should have a tax break on players developed through the academies. Even with the Decreto Crescito the Serie A, like every other league that's not the Premiership, was still a supermarket for the EPL. I like this if it results in clubs relying on their youth systems. Serie A have wasted away so many of their young players over the past 25 years who just rot on the bench. DeZerbi's will come and go. The key is to keep pumping out talent and fleece the Premiership

[@anirbankar4941]

I want the dominance of ITALIAN FOOTBALL again 🇮🇹 FORZA ITALY !!!!❤

[@Nirbanaman]

Well, in Spain we have the same change in tax legislation about ten years ago and wasn't the end of the world. I don't why It's everybody so scare about italian football, they didn't have a lot of big signings these days, it's not the 80's.

[@francisdrake7060]

No viste tres equipos Italianos en las finales la temporada pasada? No teneis TV en Hispanistan?

[@Nirbanaman]

@@francisdrake7060 Hermano, acuéstate que todavía es pronto para ti amigo. Si no sabes leer inglés, no me molestes con tonterías.

[@SamButler22]

Could that have expedited Mourinho's sacking?

[@marcoroberts9462]

THUMBNAIL SHOWS CORSICA AS ITALY

[@CharlesEWFReynolds]

We all always knew Tifo was a front for the National Liberation Front of Corsica. The mask has slipped...

[@stealthb0y1]

they run out of money that's what happened

[@hungchoonghow5857]

I started supporting the Italian national team since their World Cup win in 1982: Rossi, Cabrini, Zoff, Altobelli, Bergomi, Vierchewod, Conti, etc. Their failure to qualify for two consecutive World Cups was devastating to me and I am not even Italian. I hope without the Growth Decree will start to change things there.

[@fullspeedaheadbarcelona6502]

How can you support a different country?

[@JPIQQG]

​@@fullspeedaheadbarcelona6502 Because your own never makes it to tournaments 😢

[@eazyez5717]

We'll MAYBE see the effects only after 10 years, if the italian fottball will resist this time.

[@gabrielemangialavori8732]

Thank you for your support, hi from Italy 🇮🇹👋

[@ciaoatutti307]

My totally brother

[@martindg93]

Special tax regime also exist in Spain, France, Netherlands and Belgium for all I know… not really a secret weapon, no?

[@TheTrueMrBanAna]

Nothing to detract from the video, but I think the best thing about it is the fact that Corsica was given to its rightful owner in the tumbnail.

[@IR._]

I can imagine why this would be very unpopular amongst Italian taxpayers. Watching your colleagues earn a lot more money and pay less tax simply because they’ve moved (back) to Italy. Surprised only 15,000 people took advantage of it out of a population of several tens of millions

[@The_Italian_Job]

Even with the tax break, many people who emigrated aren't that willing to head back to Italy to see their salaries halved (even if you pay less tax). Footballers are a tiny part of the people this changed was aimed to. It was meant for researchers, company executives, young entrepreneurial talent who instead emigrates to other countries and leaves Italy with a loss on their educational investments.

[@Seba-bp9rd]

It's been a rat race for the clubs. EPL is far away to the rest of Europe. Let them have their football, continental football should not try to compete with them but focus on tradition and atmosphere

[@ifldiscovery8500]

traditions don;t pay the bills and keeps you in the stone age.

[@Seba-bp9rd]

@@ifldiscovery8500 my team plays in third tier. Most fans don't care what league.. they just support... and that's the difference to clubs which are attracting fans from all over the world. Instead of supporting FC Delhi or Johannesburg, people identify with a EPL club....

[@Numero6dl]

Expectations: "Italians teams will develop young players" Reality: Italian players, who just need to play three good matches to immediately get a 20M asking price, will become even more expensive, with teams still buying cheap foreign player instead.

[@lightfeather9953]

Erroneous economics with the national cost numbers. It's like saying the state is losing billions because the middle class isn't being taxed 90% - it doesn't make sense from an ethical or practical perspective. The whole point is to have more competitive hiring of international skilled labor. Why would an engineer move to Italy when they could move to Switzerland and pay half the tax? I'm not saying it was a good or bad law, just a bad point that fuels the economically illiterate with "it's for the billionaires!" comments. You wouldn't report without consulting experts opinion if the topic was public health or science, so why ignore economists when talking about tax policy?

[@terrywhite7190]

You don't mean benefactor, you mean beneficiary,

[@vukasinu2371]

Did anyone else notice that the image on the thumbnail includes Corsica as a part of Italy? Napoleon is turning in his grave 🤦‍♂️

[@anthonyuccello8450]

Italy doesnt allow the middle east to own any teams thats the mean differnce

[@zicu656]

the fall of Italian Football follows the fall of Italian economy

[@NoName-hg6cc]

Italy has one of the best economies at the moment if not the best

[@patrickodonnell4109]

Soooo Cutting taxes produces growth. Hmmm 🤔. Perhaps this scheme should be tried through the whole of the economy.

[@XMehrooz]

Italian Football's only 'secret advantage' was Jose Mourinho.

[@IamCaptainDeadpo0l]

in Italian football they use their hand more than their legs.

[@mowvu]

i thought this was gonna be about the doping 😂

[@jetomoon]

Still, Italian Serie A is the most class league in the world for me.

[@yupthatsthomas]

sure it's created some jobs, brings in some additional tourists, but that money can be spent on other programs that will create more jobs & affect normal Italians.

[@jsem94]

Serie A is one of the worst run leagues in Europe, and this is coming from an Inter fan.

[@MrTuttiFrutti]

I have mixed feelings about these types of tax laws. While I agree that giving financial benefits to people who are already rich is unfair if the same rule does not apply to ordinary citizens, but there is also a positive side to it. Also, I wouldn't be too quick to believe that the government is going to spend all that money on improving the lives of normal people. I don't trust the government that much. I also think that paying 45% or more of your salary as income tax is outrageous. Why on earth should you pay half your income to any government? That's extortion. Taxes should be lower for everyone. For the richest, it should not exceed 30/35%, this way I don't think they would bother trying to evade them since doing so also costs money and economically would not make sense.

[@ryubix5724]

We in France have our clubs paying the largest taxes of all the top 10 leagues in Europe (more than 55%, some stats argue that Premier League, second is only half of that). Now Italy will discover what it is to develop football with a nail in the foot

[@markchambers3833]

The advantage disappeared when the rest of the world caught up with and surpassed Serie A's doping techniques... Football today is riddled with drugs. Serie A's advantage in the 1990s was partially financial but primarily drug related.

[@marknadratowski5728]

England doesn't have a high tax rate?