California Truck Emissions Explained. CARB On Highway Standards For Diesel Trucks.

Can you run an older Diesel Truck in California? This is a good question for anyone with a commercial vehicle going into the state and this video talks about the regulations that apply to older trucks. For more information, please call the CARB number at 866-634-3735.

[@jakedragsknee]

If I was a trucker I wouldn’t be driving anywhere near California

[@markm0000]

What a time to be a diesel mechanic in California.

[@gearbender427]

Yeah, it sucks !! But good for $$, nothing but problems.

[@charlieboy501]

What a time to be a trucker

[@dad1442]

What needs to happen is that all the trucks need to stay out of California for just six months and then they just might change some of the bullshit regulations.

[@reginaldjoseph4073]

I say 5 years all the big major companies. And see these nutheads lawmakers wouldn't make a change...

[@mikecoll754]

I wish they'd stay out of every state

[@hydrophaintconcepts4675]

Give an example how bad CARB is. Fire Fighters coming in from out of state we’re told that if there equipment didn’t meet CARB requirements they couldn’t use it. This was during the worst years 2017 and 2018. Entire towns were burned up into the air. But CARB didn’t care. I can only imagine how many structures and people were effected by it. Great channel!

[@benjamingrimes3304]

That is the craziest thing I have ever heard...and I believe it. Imagine how much additional smoke those fires created on their own.

[@gearbender427]

But virtue signaling is more important!!

[@electric7487]

You have a source for that?

[@rodhoover9158]

Another business-crushing initiative. Thank you for taking th time to make this video.

[@ryans8309]

Easy just stop delivering to CA and they'll change their B.S. Rules.

[@aaronhumphrey2009]

Many have, stopping short of thier state line to offload . Just not worth it to, especially the smaller companies that don't want to buy new trucks when the ones they've got work fine.

[@ancormane524]

@@aaronhumphrey2009 NEW trucks are so shitty like as mechanic I feel bad for owner ops fucking the whole industry

[@georgeof78]

Good! I don't want to drive my truck in California anyways. lol!

[@jonathanhall5847]

can you email me i refill gas trucks for truck drivers I charge %50 in california...

[@Imvelo31]

😂😂😂

[@Akendic01]

The hell with california and their no common sense laws.

[@gearbender427]

My neighbors who where a 2nd generation concrete plant went bankrupt and laid off 10 employees because of the cost of replacing their huge generator and 3 cement trucks, btw, the law was temporarily suspended after 10000's of thousands of mom and pop companies and truckers closed or scraped their trucks, Comiefornia just cant keep its hands off the little guys throats.

[@brocluno01]

What it's going to come down to is Cali legal truck will haul say refer "containers" to NV or AZ or OR and drop them at a transfer yard. You'all 49 state truckers pick them up there and continue on your merry way. The Cali legal truck will back haul the empties to the processing plants and do the cycle over again. Emissions trucks will get put in the shop every 100 hours or so for a tune-up and system check. Then back to the yard to work.

[@mcrangelvlogs9396]

Thats what me and my brother do i get into the port go into nevada meet up and he takes it up to its final destination with a 2002 century running an awesome cummins N-14 she whistles like a beast

[@roadmaster9777]

​@@mcrangelvlogs9396 awesome that's probably going to happen a lot more now

[@hillsyman7055]

I guess California doesn't like the Detroit Diesel two strokes ether

[@Phantoma-]

Who doesn't love Ether?

[@jordanpeterson2601]

Nope they don't like it

[@jonathanhall5847]

an you email me i refill gas trucks for truck drivers I charge %50 of original gas prices

Hillsy Man Those where the first on the chopping block CARB physically destroyed them by rounding them up and blowing holes in the blocks

[@gearbender427]

I think they have a detroit diesel 2 stroke SWAT team, with shoot to kill orders !!

[@GreatNW]

We up here in oregon are fighting California regs from coming up here every year.

[@benjamingrimes3304]

Keep fighting!! 👍

[@kenworthkid998]

Good portion of your state wants to join idaho.

[@electric7487]

Seems like Washington is as well.

[@dminter1234]

This applies to all diesel vehicles with a gvwr of over 14000lbs. That includes rv's and med duty rv haulers.

[@electric7487]

Actually, (personal) RV's are exempted.

[@jeffaboularage1450]

What is the outlook for 1 tonne and below in the state? I know they’re next, but when and for how long?

[@mannysoto7643]

How about a 2006 fs65 with C7 skoolie ?

[@mikeexcavator1771]

choke them down! to many regulations.a motor with less restrictions will run better.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

It's better than choking on exhaust.

[@tripacer8259]

Something tells me you choke on something else....... nutty snowflake.

[@hectorguajardo6392]

when the price of food goes up they'll be calling we just give them the finger

[@jonathanhall5847]

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[@gearbender427]

Actually comiefornians always vote to tax and restrict themselves, we are surrounded by morons. Cant wait till I drive out of this state for the last time !!

[@paladain55]

Welcome to the future. It has happened.

[@jessecontreras7015]

thanks for taking this video. that was great information two thumbs 👍👍

[@Finnamakeausername]

Adept, you should do a video talking about run a way diesels.

[@osideintegra]

I'll delete my Ram with a Cummins as soon as it's out of warranty, but as a mechanic standpoint the emissions bullshit is okay in my book they will fail and I'll stay employed.

[@177SCmaro]

One more reason I don't live in California.

[@willysnowman]

thanks

[@felixjuarez5118]

Me more reason i dont like California

[@johnny4aces410]

It's not just carb, it goes beyond air pollution. The reason California imposes these inane regulations on the trucking business, and all other businesses, is because California's policy makers are hormonally challenged. #LGBTQ. They think and feel differently. I say to all intelligent natural men and women, the more you think about this the more it makes sense. Indeed, this is the primary cause of everything that is wrong with California.

[@latashafreeman563]

Homosexuals in official positions of government are the reason.

[@drunkpolack7612]

I feel for all the sane people in california, they literally have no say in their own state yet they have to pay up the ass in taxes

[@gregsilva1472]

I’m looking at getting a 1979 GMC general dump truck just pull my Backhoe around and to do local work in my town in California I heard I can run it 1000 miles a year... Could I just unplug the freakin speedometer

[@user-zt6bt8dp2c]

My dad has a 92 Pete with a 3406C and still runs in California. Mine is a 2013 with a Cummins and have constant issues. I hate it!

[@antor.j.medrano]

Back@kenworth a foreign driver told me "if the company would just buy new trucks we wouldn't have a ton of problems! " Me: okay but ain't gonna change nothin the problem isnt bcuz the truck is old think about the problems are bcuz of all this emissions after treatment, pre-emission trucks dont have these problems. Most problems are bcuz of DEF SYSTEM.

[@soggybottomboys2792]

Do you know if it is possible to re gear a CAT transmission to have lower torque and more bhp.

[@darrylm3627]

Good Stuff, Great Tips👍🏿😀

[@kylekelly1167]

From what I heard from family is that California has the worst road ways set when the highways are backed up their are like littery no local roads to by pass the highways. Why do people live their with putting up spending hours every day in bumbler to bumbler traffic.

[@kenworthkid998]

There are local roads to bypass on its jist thaylt there is so much damn traffic that those are backed up too

[@livingmaga6299]

Yup making me bank, thank you Cali !

[@meinahairsalon]

Very helpful. Thanks

[@JoshKilen]

Thanks for Sharing.

[@fly_swatter_]

here's the thing. I'm not plated in California, I don't have to adhere to their emmisions standards. if I'm legal federally and in my plated state I'm legal, period. it's a load of shit & nowhere near legal, I can't believe people are actually buying into this.

[@castirondude]

flY_Sw4tteR_ i believe you can still make deliveries into California but you cannot move intrastate loads in CA. Otherwise you need to have a CA number and that's where they get you

[@jonathanhall5847]

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[@olgajoe]

Buying into ?? More like force fed

[@kenworthkid998]

If your truck does not have a 2010 motor and a dpf system you cant go to California. If caught without it. Your truck can be seized and be fined into oblivion

[@fly_swatter_]

@@kenworthkid998 as of now I believe you are correct. At the time my original comment was written, no. They've turned to refusing an ifta registration for the state based on VIN #. Personally, I feel it's a violation of federal law, it's interfering woth interstate commerce. But, it's no longer a worry of mine. I won't go to California.

[@salishaho3194]

It's extremely hard to stay in bussines if your truck is 2007 and up. Those emmision systems are a real huge lose of money. You will actually run your truck just to cover the problems of those emmision systems. Also,those are not just expensive,those systems are impossible to maintain if the truck passes 500000 miles. I know many drivers who have been forced to delete the emmision systems because the couldn't work at all,their trucks were broken down all the time. The engineering have failed to provide reliable and affordable emmision systems for the semi trucks. That's the source of all the problems.

[@wyattlandrath3265]

Up in Canada everything is deleted the DPF doesn’t do well in the cold

[@danieldiaz9147]

I wanted to get a truck it has a pre 93 ..6.2 diesel is it required for all this change

[@the7.3powerstrokeguy98]

Hello do you guys know if a 2005 chevrolet 2500 duramax diesel truck also falls in this ban?

[@electric7487]

Just don't live in California and you'll be fine.

[@the7.3powerstrokeguy98]

@@electric7487 mamon

[@raven7068]

Remember California needs you truckers, You truckers don't need California. If you don't live in California, boycott California!

[@amonsmith3096]

I'm going with a pre emissions truck....no dpf for me. Detroit 60 series or c15

[@gearbender427]

I think California is organizing their roadside firing squads.

[@hthouston3924]

My brothers and sisters when we stop going to California then big fleets will deliver and that what they looking for they don't want us to deliver, I have 2014 truck but not going to California again not even for vacation 😡

[@jameshood3692]

hi adept I'm a owner operator and have a 1981 3406a and was wondering if there are any service manuals on it or anything because it's hard enough to find anything for it?

[@gearbender427]

I think owning a 1981 3406a is a hanging offense in kalifornistan.

[@timacosta7015]

I couldn't agree more. I work for a truck training school and our old yard Freightliner (94) with a CAT engine (no DPF) runs like a champ everyday for hours on end without a hiccup. Our newer Freightiner with a Cummings ISX engine in it has cost us $13,000 so far this year in maintenance for the stupid DPF filter constantly getting plugged up and needing to be "serviced" ( and this is with a lot of highway driving). My only last question is I have seen a lot of CAT trucks (Dump Trucks, Tractors) on the road lately that look like either a rebadged Freightliner or International. Is this the case and it just has a CAT engine in it, or has cat thrown their hat back into the truck market?

[@billyyoder8171]

Tim Acosta Hi Tim. the Cat CT660 and CT680 Vocational Trucks was Cat's failed venture of trying to get into the vocational truck market. They partnered with Navistar. It only lasted from about 2012 to 2016. Navistar built them for cat. Downfall was poor quality control, over priced, and only thing Caterpillar on the truck was the emblem and optional cat transmission. The engine was an International maxxforce painted yellow. I taught for Holt Caterpillar for seven years and learned how lacking and inaccurate the service info was and how overpriced the trucks parts were. Example, the simple "fuses" (actually circuit breakers and ptc smart fuses) had a mark up cost of approximately 600+%. They charged $30+ for the identical brand fuse you can buy online for $3-$5. Plus minimal support between Navistar and Cat made it difficult to get accurate information. From my own experience Pete and Cummins are still the best choice for Medium/Heavy trucks.

[@timacosta7015]

Thank you very much, good to know. Yeah I love Cummins myself too but the dog filters are a pain.

[@AdeptApe]

+Billy Yoder That is one of the most informative and accurate comments I've ever read on here.

[@timacosta7015]

Sorry, DPF filter lol, stupid auto correct.

[@timacosta7015]

Sorry, DPF filter lol, stupid auto correct.

[@bumfist88]

I don’t think CARB was made for anything except selling customers a new vehicle every 10 years after they cease production of parts required for vehicle maintenance. For example, i am unable to purchase the parts needed for my vehicle in CA and the car manufacture is sending me around on wild goose chases, hoping that I will give up and purchase a new vehicle. It seems extremely illegal to me and I’m sure people have lost their jobs and livelihood because of these regulations that make it outright impossible to get the correct parts for your car in CA.

[@cwj9202]

Could you provide the exact website for that screen capture?

[@6nzpurrs]

No thanks carb in Cali I'll stay up here in Washington state with my 1990 Pete 379 3406b 400k with my old aluminum were I can keep on making money

[@n5ifi]

Didn't Washington state adopt Cal standards?

[@jonathanhall5847]

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[@gearbender427]

You better have plans on moving to Montana or Idaho, because your state seems to just love California overreach on private citizens !! The whole west coast is lost !!

[@aaronhumphrey2009]

And if it's not broken,why fix it?!..carb exemplifies good intentions gone colossally wrong, costing Cali truckers millions,and in some cases ,thier jobs/ businesses/incomes. " I'm from the Government,and I'm here to help"- Ronald Reagan. Run.

[@4793bigdaddy]

Did Calif. take into account the environmental cost of all the engines that have to be replaced with engines that don't last half as long as the old version? Re-gen engines blow out raw diesel all over everything and are more frequently out if tune. And whats the environmental impact of recycling DPF canisters? Your just moving pollution from one area to another. And one more thing, If you get poorer fuel mileage your going backwards. They should increase the cafe standards, Less fuel burned is less emissions.

[@poopinfruz9771]

If i had to bring my trucks back to stock config with emission controls I would have to quit. I straight up couldn't afford to fuel.

[@poopinfruz9771]

"Pre 94... not many of those on the road" Lol, oh man. my 92 internationals still run like a top. and get 26mpg. shows how behind I am

[@oilburner2012]

I'll just stay up here in the Alberta oil patch..... Deletes o plenty up here!

[@ZJlover1994]

Seems like a huge waste of resources.

[@poopinfruz9771]

It really is, All those resources and engineering just to make a engine burn the fuel "cleaner" I don't care if its 0 emissions. The trucks with DPF's and EGR's get LESS than half the fuel economy and at least 3/4 the power. So your gases out the tail end are "cleaner" but you have to burn 2-3 times the fuel... which has to be refined, and so on. Making all those man hours engineering this junk null

[@amonsmith3096]

Hey I'm thinking about going into diesel mechanic school, I have a cdl already would this help me if I decide to become an owner operator? my focus will be the cat engine or the Detroit series 60 after diesel mechanic school.

[@AdeptApe]

+Amon Smith If you can do your own maintenance and repairs that wouldn't make you a better driver, but you could save a lot of money doing your own repairs and maintenance. Since repairs are a huge cost of owner a truck I think it's a good idea. You might be able to make some money on the side helping other drivers out as well, a lot of drivers know very little about the actual ins and outs of the engine, transmission, etc

[@amonsmith3096]

thank you! you're right about drivers don't know alot about their trucks and yes I could make some money on the side to help fellow truckers. By the way I'm a local lol.

[@poopinfruz9771]

I have to kind of disagree, Doing your own maintenance makes you one of the BEST drivers. That unit is what keeps your family fed, so its always crucial to know how to keep it in top condition. Especially here where I live, even if you drive a truck that's not yours, and your brakes are out, or your tires give way and cause damage is the driver who gets the ticket, not the company

[@amonsmith3096]

Kyle Ranger well the point I was trying to make is that I can LEARN HOW TO repair a truck.....I have been a trucker for 5 years now and NO company blame me for their trucks breaking down......

[@poopinfruz9771]

Amon Smith I understand. but you miss understood me. it's not the company that blame the driver. it's the Department Of Transportation and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police that blame and ticket the driver for any of the units faults/ companies neglect

[@mathewwalworth5236]

That's what I love about glider kits get a beautiful Pete and slap that 99 Cat motor in it and start rolling down the road with that black smoke again. And yes that is perfectly legal and that's how you get around the elog or if you got five trucks or less or make less than 2 million dollars in Revenue No elog

[@f-j-Services]

But in California you can drive half a truck dumping diesel/gas and oil and leaking coolant all over the road, and they wont care, but in ANY OTHER STATE, You can do that? I hate the standards.

[@DavidHernandez-fz5ug]

I want to buy a 2003 Ford F-250 6.0 diesel truck, will it be legal?

[@BlueMilkification]

hi is it possible to do a disc brakes conversion on 379 or any older truck?

[@poopinfruz9771]

Why would you want to?Air Drums work pretty good, and you should be using gears before brakes

[@danabaker5684]

How about right the reefer what year supposed to be to go to California

[@biglo9889]

Thank you jerry brown

[@I_like_turtles_67]

AND now Gavin is trying to hand out reparations checks.

[@TheEmilychurchill]

Hell no I wouldn't spend all that money to get rid of my 1981 Cummins 350 engine in my classic cabover truck I just won't go to California to hell with California

[@farmerjoe338]

You are great man and very smart and helpful you produce videos that help a lot of people including me . The one thing that needs to be stated here is California as well as new York and these liberal sespool need to fall off the face of the 🌏

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

Man, you people are crybabies. "WAHHHH, I should be able to give people lung cancer!!! WAHH!!! Diesels are filthy and obsolete, get over it.

[@Phantoma-]

Literally everything you have spewed is entirely incorrect.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

Prove me wrong, then, bud.

[@Phantoma-]

As far as "Filth", a diesel engine would both take longer to kill you in terms of carbon monoxide, as well as produce far less overall. They run at a higher efficiency than gasoline engines. And as far as being obsolete, if they were obsolete, then why are they the backbone of any infrastructure that relies on the mass transportation of materials/goods? Trucks, Trains, and boats to name the biggest contributors.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

How often do people get in a position where they can be harmed by the carbon monoxide emissions from any engine? Diesels produce more smog forming emissions, and that's harmful to everyone, all of the time. Modern "clean" diesels don't have lower CO2 emissions than comparable gasoline vehicles, they usually just break even, so the slightly better fuel efficiency of a diesel does nothing for it. Diesels are obsolete, but the market takes time to adopt new technologies. Series hybrids with turbine ICEs will replace diesels in most heavy equipment and heavy on-highway vehicles, and trains will likely be powered by something similar, or some kind of electric propulsion (like linear motors), or an OCS.

[@kens97sto171]

Simple solution DON'T drive into California. They will figure it out eventually when they pay 4x for stuff... And wonder why. You couldn't pay me to travel into California let alone ever live there.

[@vinyllpreviews9462]

Will they?

[@saywhatnow2]

That's all fine with me, I Don't want to go anywhere near that state!

[@mrsincere4640]

Apparently California doesn’t like small business owners either..... They won’t let them open.....

[@DIYRep.101]

Does this apply to diesel RV's also or just trucks?

[@poopinfruz9771]

Applies to all diesel engines I believe.. I have even started to see califonia emissions crap on 3 cylinder engines in light plants

[@dminter1234]

this applies to all diesel vehicles with gvwr over 1400lbs.

[@franciscohernandez-oh8rt]

Will cng lng bi fuel retrofit help with emissions

[@electric7487]

Natural gas might help. Especially in shipping as they're actually looking at ammonia as a fuel for medium-speed (typically 720/750 RPM and 500/600 RPM) and low-speed (under 300 RPM, like the large 2-strokes in container ships) Diesel engines. It would help reduce CO2 emissions by a lot. For example, if you used to run your engines off of pure crude oil, changing to 20% crude oil and 80% ammonia would cut CO2 emissions by at least 60%. That's a huge amount and would help ships be a lot greener. (And it would be another big breath of life for the internal combustion engine.)

[@garrimic3]

I refuse to deliver any load into California. 1. California 2. Ridiculous laws including emissions 3. Load Rates suck getting out of California 4. DOT will absolutely find a Disney fairytale problem with your truck, which will double in cost after the court date. Which happened to my father and the DOT never issued him a court date. Got a letter in the mail

[@garrimic3]

that his license were going to be suspended if he didn’t pay for missing court. Called California and it wasn’t a scam. They issued him a court date, but never told him. The problem for all of this......... His trailer axles were only 1 notch from being perfectly 40’. Wound up paying over $400.00. Politicians are actually the mofia in California.

[@TT.4_]

At some point they gonna stop certain years of cars to stay outta certain states stupid law

[@gearbender427]

They are also going after tractors, the tax payers are paying 2/3 $ cost for replacement tractors, but most small farms are keeping their dependable and cheap to maintain old tractors, only huge wine corporations that don't need the money are profiting from this boondoggle !! Only in Comiefornia.

[@bigryanm7083]

i want to drive in california i mean not in the main cities but, as a business owner with older trucks, that would not be possible smh, heck..

[@VladimirSherer]

Thera now good louds in California any more !

[@wiltonfarleysr.4666]

I'll stick with the Cummins

[@ThePeterbiltrucker]

Used to love Trucking in kommiaforina, get on the 99 and stroll with traffic,

[@jonathanhall5847]

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[@cesarchavez5508]

Hey can some one please help me i have a question ijust bough a 1986 ford. Detroid diesel engine truck runs perfect do i have to stil get that thing on the cats. Or i dont. Have to

[@noepleitezvlogs]

Cesar Chavez donde vives

[@1towmater1]

It's easier to just stay out of California. Donald should run the border wall right up the Cali east border and let Mexico have it and everybody in it

[@jonathanhall5847]

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[@rk_driftz2348]

I just want to be able to freely mod and tune my car without worrying about emissions

[@nerd1000ify]

A lot more people just want to freely breathe without worrying about emissions. So there's that.

[@electric7487]

@@nerd1000ify A lot of people also want to think about it from a risk vs. rewards perspective. At what point do emissions control devices become more problematic than they are worth?

[@nerd1000ify]

@@electric7487 that is a legitimate concern, and the answer is situational. In a densely populated city more emissions control would be needed than in a rural area, because in a big city you expose more people and the noxious emissions are concentrated due to large numbers of vehicles operating close together. Gasoline vehicles have no excuse, modern fuel injection and catalytic converters are so good that there is essentially zero performance cost to emissions control, and the converters themselves are also pretty cheap ($200 or so for a 'performance' unit). Diesels have it harder. I think all diesels should at least run an oxidation catalyst (cheap, reliable, and at least cleans up the CO, HC and some soot) but the use of EGR, SCR and DPF systems clearly has a much greater cost. Generally they should be used in urban areas, but non urban operation could probably dispense with some of the NOx abatement (i.e. stop using EGR, which also makes the soot less of an issue) for greater reliability and fuel efficiency. At the moment we just have blanket regulations that lack the nuance to cover all these cases, so naturally the laws cause issues.

[@electric7487]

@@nerd1000ify The only emissions devices an on-highway Diesel needs are an oxidation catalyst followed by a DEF system. You just run extra boost to minimise the formation of PM, and then use the SCR to take care of the NOx output. DPF's are really unnecessary anymore, same with EGR, as modern SCR systems consistently demonstrate real-world efficiencies of 95% or better. Additionally, urea and ammonia are organic substances that are easy to mass-produce with environmentally-friendly means.

[@nerd1000ify]

@@electric7487 there are some new injector designs that more or less eliminate PM, even at very high EGR ratios. So we might actually see a return to just a DOC and EGR. Thankfully with no PM production the inlet coking issue should be greatly reduced.

[@robertwhitten3526]

Won't be visiting Calitardia with my RV, their loss, my gain.

[@amonsmith3096]

California will grant you a 3 day pass per year if you Have to run into cali with an older engine.

[@apaulothegreat1581]

What if you just add hydrogen to your fuel then clean up the exhaust good enough

[@electric7487]

Hydrogen still has a long way to ho before it becomes practical for an on-highway Diesel engine. Although in the marine sector, they're looking into _ammonia_ as a fuel for Diesel engines, where a port injector sprays ammonia on the intake stroke and a direct injector injects HFO or Diesel at the top of the compression stroke.

[@jackjr.sparrow3668]

If truck drivers stop delivering goods to California. That would teach the California state to stop gambling there bs laws. They don’t like the way truck runs. Then California, stop asking truck driver to deliver your goods. Simply as that.

[@artemioAfortunado]

What about all those junks pulling doubles full of tomatoes?

[@tonyatwood9636]

Does california have to pay a carbon tax for their forest fires?

[@latashafreeman563]

Very good question!

[@ismaeltorres8848]

Ford 5.9 cumins f800

[@84gssteve]

Its not all bad if you already have a well maintained engine that ran good before the DPF retrofit. My 96' Pete still runs its original N14 with about 800K.....never much smoke to begin with and the turbo seals are good. Been running a passive, continuous regen DPF on it for about 5 years with zero problems. No loss of power, about the same noise, and the tailpipe is clean as a whistle. Mostly county highway and backroads, 7 days a week hauling heavy equipment(dozers, exes, lifts) so no pussy footing around here! Yea, it was 25K for the DPF and I still have to retire the old girl in 3-4 more years, but that retrofit gave me a solid deadline to work towards, and a good 8-9 years of working the old truck and saving up for a replacement. Now, we will see if Im singing the same tune when I out her replacement to work! Heard pretty good stuff about ISX, wont touch a MaxxForce if you paid me......thought about a CAT CT680 vocationals they make in-house but it looks like they just cancelled that whole project!!!!

[@AdeptApe]

+Steve po The older trucks with the retrofits are really not that bad because you still have a reliable powertrain with basically an expensive muffler on it. The newer engines though can become real money pits. Not all of them of course, just heard some nightmares though.

[@84gssteve]

That's true, a 90's N14 has zero emissions to worry about and a simple fuel and turbo setup. I ran an 09' Maxxforce for a couple weeks as a loner, and it was a nightmare just to look at. Perpetual check engine light and seemingly no power, although it never really broke down on me. I have heard some horror stories from guys who suffered some big power losses on older trucks and/or ended up with blown engines some after putting on a DPF. I imagine it likely had more to do with what filter they bought and whether or not the trucks were taken care of.....that's why I'm glad I was/am a mechanic before I became a driver. Too many operators just keep on trucking with a smaller problem and it just spreads like cancer.

[@jonathanhall5847]

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[@gearbender427]

Cab overs are exempt from retrofit in comiefornia because no company makes a kit for them !!

[@Kyle-rk8bw]

@@gearbender427 do you have more info on this or are you just joking?

[@mirekchance]

Looking at this issue for an hour or so, it seems California manged to have less emissions. However, number of small owner operators had to go out of business, even some mid level players. It also cost hundreds of thousands to many business to stay in business. What was wrong with just waiting for the older vehicles to come to their end of lifecycle? As a blue collar worker I honestly have 0 desire to have anything to do with California.

[@gearbender427]

Waiting for older power plants to die from normal wear and tear would be too simple, don't you know cali law makers HATE blue collar workers ...

[@kenworthkid998]

All he should have said is dont go to California have a good day

[@alpzepta]

This is bullshit! No more Detroit Diesel 53,71,92 in California I guess!

[@hughdismuke4703]

Just like to remind those of you who are complaining, it's all about clean air. There is nothing wrong with having clean air. It's healthier and healthy for you and your families. Keep your trucks up-to-date and you'll have no issues. Simple. If you get caught cheating? Then that's on you. Want to push for boycotting delivering to California? Then electric vehicles and self driving cargo trucks are sounding even better to me.

[@aaronbutler4890]

Jake brake go brrrrr

[@jeremyray1148]

Ever heard of a carbon footprint? Or does electricity just appear out of thin air for just you? When that computer malfunctions and the truck takes out multiple families at once, your ideology will be behind the wheel.

[@michaelsamuel9917]

So why don't we undo the Industrial revolution while we're at it? Without the Industrial revolution we'd be all "living in harmony" or living in massive poverty ?

[@Anthony-be6cl]

How about we focus on gun control instead of messing with independent owner operators that only want to feed there family.

[@sniperdave2791]

Miguel Wellington no thanks commi

[@JustinCglass]

Ducking California So, I have to replace my bad ass 7.3 power stroke with a garbage 6.4 to be able to use my truck!?!?

[@franciscohernandez-oh8rt]

Isn't trump getting rid of the smog laws

[@faithlovefreedom8781]

F**k cali just don't run there lol I have 1999 freightliner with N14 with 2.1 million miles and I stop running cali in 2017 after my ticket 65 on 55 that coast me 500 and no points lol but my life is much much much less stress with out running cali Ppl think oh I have to run cali well guess what you DON'T Btw I live in Vegas so no ty cali can kiss my azz Tbh I bought T680 back in 2015 brand new just to run cali and payment was close to 3k a month tf I said I run that truck 2 years and return it thanks god I kept my freightliner anyway much less stress with out cali I WISH I CAN FIND SOMEONE TO PIMP MY FREIGHTLINER AND DO A GOOD JOB ON REBUILDING THIS N14 AND BOOST HP AND TORQUE but anyway good luck all be safe

[@jbthestoner5504]

Leave it to humans to try and change our machines to fix problems caused by our own dumb nature

[@tonyatwood9636]

One more reason to stay out of liberal-land......!

[@electric7487]

More like idiot-greenie land.

[@steven4315]

A big part of the problem is that truck drivers don't breath air, if they did they might be a little concerned about those of us who do.

[@tosseway145]

California Lawmakers are ageist. These new California laws are prejudice and discriminatory based solely on age. Where are the diversity and inclusion liberals? It is very important to be able to have a diverse and robust fleet. It seems the LGBTQ+ community does not apply their rules evenly to everything. They are not really interested in inclusion are they. Older trucks were built to last forever. Older engines can survive an EMP attack. Older truck engines can operate without the dependence on complex electronics. There is a also a right to repair issue here. California law makers are setting out to erase history. These laws are no better than the Taliban destroying antient artifacts.

[@sharmake6160]

California doesn't need shitty trucks on our state. Come here with respect for the environment or don't come at all.

[@latashafreeman563]

@@cdstrashman666 Right on, man!

[@electric7487]

You do realise that engines with EGR systems and DPF's have consistenly shown to get WORSE fuel economy than older engines (that didn't have any of these things), right? Running an older engine or with deleted/disabled emissions equipment isn't about not respecting the environment, people do it because the older engines were a lot easier to work on and a lot more reliable. Newer engines with certain emissions items removed from it are more reliable than those with the systems installed. While your tailpipe emissions are cleaner, your fuel economy going down means more fuel has to be produced and transported, and a lot more energy has to be used to manufacture all of the emissions system components. Not only that, SCR canisters often have precious metals (although zeolites would solve this problem to an extent) that are very expensive to manufacture and replace. All you're doing is shifting the pollution from one place to another. DPF's also cost a lot to replace and a lot goes into making them as well. If I owned a Diesel, the reason I would delete some of the emissions equipment is so that I can do away with the astronomical costs associated with repairing them, not so that I can roll coal. Crack down on the people who roll coal, not on the people who delete in the first place.

[@nerd1000ify]

@@electric7487 Moving the pollution somewhere else is to a certain extent the point of the endeavor. The problem with vehicle emissions is that vehicles tend to spend a lot of time around humans, who then breathe the emissions and (eventually) get sick as a result. All these pollution control systems are really meant to mitigate these health problems, either by eliminating the emissions or by displacing the emissions to somewhere fewer humans will be affected by them. Electric vehicles are the ultimate case of this, they move all the emissions to the power station (if it is fossil fueled) which is probably well outside city limits where the pollution will be less concentrated and fewer people are around to inhale it. The payoff is in healthcare costs; fewer people get asthma or lung cancer so your insurance premiums are lower.

[@electric7487]

@@nerd1000ify I'm looking at it from a diminishing returns point of view: At what point are the "health benefits" of these emission control systems getting outweighed by the problems they cause? My guess is that with the current on-highway emissions standards we've already gone way too far. I feel that the reduction in tailpipe emissions has become far too small compared to the problems that are popping up. For one, the fuel economy of newer trucks with DPF's are actually _worse_ than that of older trucks, as the DPF is quite a significant exhaust restriction. Which means you have to produce and transport more fuel, negating many of the environmental benefits. Is it really a big deal if trucks are allowed to blow a little bit more black smoke than they are now? Probably not. Add to that the fact that almost every manufacturer is having problems with the emissions systems breaking down constantly and being very costly to repair, being so bad in some cases that the EGR's and DPF's have brought thousands of one-truck owner operators to near bankruptcy. And what's the environmental impact of making and recycling DPF canisters? At least urea is renewable (as it is an organic substance) and can be produced with clean electricity. This is why, IMO, a truck with a low-smoke tune (that uses a large amount of excess air to minimise the formation of smoke), an SCR system to take care of NOx emissions, no EGR, and no DPF is ideal. The engine doesn't get choked down, but NOx and PM emissions are brought down. CO2 goes down as well since you're burning less fuel than if the vehicle had a DPF. You have to look at the situation as a whole, because if you regulate tailpipe emissions too tightly, you're shifting the emissions but not reducing them overall. That makes no sense. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have any emissions regulations; I'm saying that we need to roll back the ones for on-highway Diesel vehicles to a point where they can be met with no EGR and no DPF while still minimising pollution to people in the immediate vicinity. In crowded urban environments, a big issue is that catalytic converters haven't warmed up due to the frequent starting and stopping. Once we have a truly clean battery chemistry and generating our electricity via clean sources like nuclear, most people (who are not car enthusiasts) would be driving EV's for commuting, reducing pollution in the cities significantly, to a point where DPF's on Diesel vehicles may no longer be justified. Biodiesel and synthetic Diesel can be made to be much cleaner than petrodiesel, further reducing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as long as the electricity used to make them is produced from nuclear, renewables, and clean fossil (if it can be done in a cost-effective manbner, which seems unlikely). To sum it all up, California's 2010+ engine mandate is extremely short-sighted and is one of many examples of California shoving their own problems up other people's asses.

[@nerd1000ify]

@@electric7487 I think a big part of the problem is that diesel emissions control is actually really immature technology, at least compared to the catalytic converter on a gasoline engine. We're sort of in that '70s to '80s malaise era for diesels right now. I've got some experience of a particularly fraught example (Suzuki's implementation of a DPF on the Renault F9Q diesel- an unreliable engine to begin with, and then they added a first generation DPF...) so I'm familiar with how much of a pain the emissions control systems can be, especially when the mechanics don't tighten the hose clamps on the inlet pipes, and the engine thinks it's running leaner than it actually is! Currently I drive a 2014 diesel Hyundai that didn't come with a DPF to begin with (Australia's emissions laws are lax compared to most of the western world), and while I like the lack of emissions control issues I'm always a bit offended by the plume of black smoke I leave behind when driving up highway onramps. There's some great research going into trying to resolve all these problems with better injector designs, see Ducted Fuel Injection for an example. With some luck as technology improves the reliability will go up and emissions will go down, and of course we'll get the lost economy back.