Caller: "I'm Pro-Abortion, BUT...." | Talk Heathen: Throwback

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@simonkoster Ай бұрын

"Women should be able to get an abortion, but only if I approve of the circumstances.".

@sonja4164 Ай бұрын

That's exactly what she's saying. The nerve.

@AvaEFF Ай бұрын

Exactly. Insane. Also, she implied and very nearly straight up said she should have the personal right to deny someone an abortion because she wants to adopt the child.

@TheLevantin Ай бұрын

I find it identical to the statement: “I want all people to be free, except my slaves of course.”

@michaelbell3181 Ай бұрын

This has me screaming "FvCK your religion, this is NOT a theocracy, it's NONE of your goddamn business!"

@TattooedHippievegan Ай бұрын

Say it again 👏

@charlessarver1637 Ай бұрын

Agreed

@jennameg4722 Ай бұрын

I know that feeling well. Few things infuriate me like people who quote the Bible when discussing what the law should be.

@saber5408 Ай бұрын

The longer she talked the more amd more panicked she sounded, so weird

@matthewd9822 Ай бұрын

But Bonnie. Why do YOU get to choose for us? You get to feel all those feelings, and you can think I'm a murderer. But you still don't get to choose for us.

@NoGodsNoMasters-o1u Ай бұрын

This woman is all emotion and no education or information. I find it frightening to hear someone so passionate who is so woefully lacking in critical faculties. I don't want to be overly harsh (this is the internet, after all, and I'm not speaking directly to her), but I am genuinely taken aback at her poor reasoning skills and childishly unsophisticated take on bodily autonomy and application of the law. Also (and this is not germane to the point I'm making, but I have to bring it up), she sounds like Mike Lindell, both in her accent and lack of substance. On a final note, I rolled my eyes so hard they almost fell out of my head when she accused other people of being stupid. Someone needs to give this woman a mirror.

@tekbarrier Ай бұрын

I heard the accent and looked down at the notes and saw she was from Wisconsin and said to myself "yeah, that tracks" 😂

@skimmingstone3energyrecords Ай бұрын

This woman should mind her own business.....

@charlessarver1637 Ай бұрын

Yep, thats the real point

@TomofOregon56 Ай бұрын

Best response to this lunacy.

@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος Ай бұрын

The formality of getting an abortion should be super easy, because making the decision to get an abortion is almost always very hard

@TheLevantin Ай бұрын

And it's no fun either. Nobody has an abortion because it's fun and super convenient and then she can walk around again “without consequences”. Nobody has an abortion lightly, it's never an easy decision. And it is neither pleasant nor fun. You can tell that these anti-choice people have never talked to other people in their lives.

@Nocturnalux Ай бұрын

About rape…she is missing something vital: way too often, you cannot get a conviction. If a person requires the threshold of evidence for a conviction in order to get an abortion, a lot- maybe even most!- will not be able to get one. More, even if they can, there is another important thing she is missing in context: this is a time sensitive matter. By the time the rapist gets convicted, the child will be born and up and about. In other words, you cannot possibly have abortions depend on anyone being able to prove actual sexual assault. This is why, while rape exceptions soothe people like this caller’s conscience, in practical terms they tend to be very ineffective.

@davidszeremi1786 Ай бұрын

@@Nocturnalux except for those who want abortion delayed (and justice) to be abortion denied. It's kafke-esque

@tekbarrier Ай бұрын

Just yesterday I saw a new story about a doctor in Oregon who was accused of SA by at least 100 women and children, and prosecutors decided not to file any charges against him. He moved to Utah (he was a Mormon, of course) and lost his medical license, but isn't facing any criminal charges for years of abuse.

@Nocturnalux Ай бұрын

@@tekbarrier Sadly, it does not surprise. Going by this caller’s reasoning, any of the victims of that guy would be unable to get an abortion. Add to this the many rape kits that are “forgotten” a bit all the States and it becomes all too obvious that rape exceptions exist more to pacify people’s conscience than to genuinely help those directly affected.

@segue2ant395 Ай бұрын

In her defence, she used the phrases 'in most cases' or 'most of the time' A LOT. She knows there are a tonne of outliers - she just doesn't care what happens to them, or their children.

@Nocturnalux Ай бұрын

@@segue2ant395 She is still wrong. Most rape cases do not even go to trial, for one. There is plenty of documentation on this, it is something like two thirds. So no, in most cases rape exceptions are useless.

@Professor_Smoak Ай бұрын

This, folks, is why we shouldn't base society on the opinions of people who were young in the 1960s. Life experience is one thing, but humans have learned an incredible amount since then. Also, the rage that came from her because of a decision that has literally nothing to do with her is a huge red flag.

@nicolab2075 Ай бұрын

It's nothing to do with when people were born, it's all about the strength of the arguments.

@segue2ant395 Ай бұрын

@@nicolab2075 In fairness - most of her justifications were 'I grew up in the '60s and...'

@segue2ant395 Ай бұрын

Bonnie is wildly historically inaccurate in her claim that more abortions happened before RvW. Abortions/1000 in the USA nearly doubled in the ten years after Roe V Wade was enacted (16.3 > 29.3). 2010 was the first year the rate was lower. Bonnie's taking everything based on vibes. Edit with more fun facts from these statistics: Under the last Republican government, abortion rates actually increased for the first time since the mid-1980s. The abortion rate has always fallen faster under a Dem government. Eyeing the total delta of rates across terms, the Dems are roughly responsible for -8 over 3 terms, where the Reps are responsible for +10 over 4. Americans - if you actually want fewer abortions, it's not even a close race - vote Democrat.

@LOwens-xf8yo Ай бұрын

I grew up in the 60-70s and… there was a ton of media coverage on the ERA & Roe, & how women didn’t had the same rights as men. There was also coverage of our soldiers fighting a war on tv. And sadly, before that, I was the victim of CSA. Those factors made a life-long impact on me. I learned that some men fight wars & SA children, while women did all the hard work of making & raising children. This lead me to become a single issue, pro-choice voter from my first ballot.

@charlessarver1637 Ай бұрын

Agreed

@dannymccook Ай бұрын

Bonnie was a certified yapper with no ability to engage with the subject outside of her script.

@IRGeamer Ай бұрын

The "Argument from Ickiness”: It’s gross/bad/weird to me so it can’t possibly be anything but gross/bad/weird to everyone else and must also be wrong/a lie/impossible/unacceptable/immoral/harmful/destructive for absolutely everyone. It’s just “common sense” and "obviously" wrong to disagree… /s

@suburban-vampire Ай бұрын

Bonnie sounds way too old to be so confused and immature on this topic. Religion is really destructive :(

@Soylent1981 Ай бұрын

The requirement of having to report to the police is such a bad idea. Anything that delays abortion or potentially puts women at risk of further abuse by trying to get help is dangerous. Stop judging women for making a decision about their own life.

@AvaEFF Ай бұрын

Thank you! 👏👏

@jerrycallender-qm7zr Ай бұрын

Bonnie, there is NO SUCH THING as an 'un-born child'!

@TheLevantin Ай бұрын

Anti-choice people all don't know what a child is, how sex works, what an abortion is, what rights are and what a person is.

@FortunePayback Ай бұрын

Long story short, she doesn't have a reason. Like theists, she's just here to preach.

@allendesomer Ай бұрын

Her answer again and again is that a fetus with arms, legs, and a heartbeat is a human being. Therefore, terminating a pregnancy at that stage is murder. No other issues and scenarios make sense to her.

@Callimo Ай бұрын

She really has a woeful understanding of fetal development and human gestation. But the way she got so upset over other people's choices is really weird.

@AvaEFF Ай бұрын

8:57 wow. She basically just said, “I should have the right to force someone else to carry a pregnancy so that I can adopt that child.” Jesus H Christ.

@amyb.2968 Ай бұрын

I'm not your broodmare, Bonnie!

@AvaEFF Ай бұрын

@@amyb.2968 for f*cking real!

@ARoll925 Ай бұрын

Hey Bonnie, perhaps you should update your opinions from the fucking 60s

@charlessarver1637 Ай бұрын

I dont think this lady has a right to tell people what they have to do to get birth control. Its their bodies, their lives not hers period

@arndnaj Ай бұрын

Fine, the rapist gets turned in, takes months to get through the trial, the rapist does not get convicted, and by the time the trial is over, she's already had the child. Makes sense.

@amyb.2968 Ай бұрын

And the rapist gets to share custody.

@arndnaj Ай бұрын

@@amyb.2968 them just suing for custody is traumatizing enough for the victim.

@Callimo Ай бұрын

So basically, the cruz of Bonnie's rant--err argument is that "we suffered during the 60s, so YOU need to suffer too!"

@TheLevantin Ай бұрын

Isn't that what they call “generational trauma”? One generation passes on its trauma to the next? The father beats his child because he was beaten as a child and so on?

@IntrovertAncom Ай бұрын

This was a hard video to watch. I grew up in fundamentalist/evangelical Christianity in the 1970s-80s and had "pro-life" repeatedly shoved into my mind from about 1980, onward. I left my parents' church as a young adult and didn't know what to believe. Wound up in a relationship with a guy who was a good friend of mine, but he changed when we became more than friends, and I was too naïve to realize how abusive it was until I became pregnant and realized he would be a terrible father. He never hit me. It wasn't that kind of abusive. He became paranoid, jealous, and controlling, and he became s3xually abusive, doing things like having s3x with me while I was sound asleep, and I'd wake up scared out of my gourd, unable to move and barely able to breathe. Next day, I'd tell him how much I hated that, begging him to leave me alone when I'm sleeping, and he would be so apologetic and sweet that I fell for it every time, until one day, I didn't. It was like I woke up, and his charisma no longer worked on me. Anyway, that's how I ended up pregnant, because of course, he didn't use protection during those times, and there was no morning after pill in the early 90s. Yes, I should've been on the pill. I was on the pill during the relationship previous to this guy, but it really messed up my emotions and contributed to a lot of my depression and anxiety, so I hoped barrier methods would suffice. In regard to becoming pregnant, I felt a lot of pressure from the "pro-lifers" and "pro-choicers" in my life at the time, and I realized how important being able to decide for yourself really is, and it's really no one's business outside of you and your doctor. I ended up deciding carry/raise my child (now grown) as a single parent, and for better or for worse, I don't regret it. However, back to the video, had I decided to abort instead (say, at or before the 12-week mark) would Bonnie think I'm a murderer? I don't think it's murder until/unless the fetus is viable outside of the womb, at which point, it becomes a human infant. Also, the circumstances of the pregnancy and/or the reasons for deciding to abort are irrelevant to the question of murder.

@Furry-iousNews Ай бұрын

Your feelings about someone elses choices about their own body are not arguments against that choice. Dont like abortion? Dont get one. Better yet, tell me one secular reason why someone shouldnt be allowed to end a first trimester pregnancy?

@TheLevantin Ай бұрын

“because it's murder” is their only argument. And abortion is by definition not murder.

@dirtypickle77 Ай бұрын

It used to be the safest place for a baby was in the womb, back in the day. Now the baby is a fetus thought of as living off another's body. The older generations still think of fetuses as babies that need protection. As the older people die out the morality on the matter is changing.

@TheLevantin Ай бұрын

@@dirtypickle77 Defending human rights is not moral? What?

@dirtypickle77 Ай бұрын

@@TheLevantin I don't give a sh!t, I said the views if it's moral are changing since 70 years ago.

@TheLevantin Ай бұрын

@@dirtypickle77 And you are the one who remains immoral, others will become more moral.

@fantasticmio Ай бұрын

I can't think of any form of effective birth control (outside of voluntary abstinence) that is free.

@AvaEFF Ай бұрын

The idea that anyone is using abortion as a means of birth control is so far beyond ignorant.

@IRGeamer Ай бұрын

Sometimes it is and rightfully so... Baseless, hyperbolic, assertion for the purpose of de-legitimizing or de-humanizing the opposition and falsely propping up your narrative... Not even once... Not even to prove a point... Not even to support the moral side… Unless you don’t care at all about being part of the problem and confirming to the wilfully ignorant that they are justified in dismissing any knowledge they don’t like as “fake news”. "If you hate something, don't you do it too.” - Eddie Vedder "Not for You"

@AvaEFF Ай бұрын

@@IRGeamer I’m sorry I’m very confused by your comment.

@davidszeremi1786 Ай бұрын

These things are complicated and are covered by doctors patient confidentiality. If you aren't the doctor and you aren't the patient. You don't have standing and should see your way out of the conversation.

@swedensy Ай бұрын

If they live in remote area with no access to birth control, how tf she gonna have access to abortion 😅

@samanthajayewardene4523 Ай бұрын

It would have to be a very dangerous back alley abortion.

@EmilyAnne825 Ай бұрын

She’s obviously lost it. I also find it really annoying when people say to be respectful or not too harsh on the people arguing against our rights. The oppressed don’t have to respect their oppressors.

@RealHooksy Ай бұрын

Bonny needs to take a chill pill.

@RannonSi Ай бұрын

13 minutes in and she's too passionate to be coherent.

@salserokorsou Ай бұрын

So much damn emotions...

@Mixolydio Ай бұрын

21:25 😂Johnny’s delivery on the “other stuff” line

@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος Ай бұрын

Is she ok?

@keithlupton451 Ай бұрын

Bonnie is a piece of work. I found that very hard to listen to.

@wonow7674 Ай бұрын

OTC birth control has been available since March 2024

@LunaBoo12 Ай бұрын

Glad I'm not the only one who still thinks about the 60's as being 40 years ago 😆

@samanthajayewardene4523 Ай бұрын

Her voice is so grating. Ugh. She's so rude.

@swingstylez Ай бұрын

"heartbeat" to these people is just a pulsating blood transport system. Calling it a heart is to invoke emotions.

@johnatkins3017 Ай бұрын

But birth control is SIN, doncha know! SIN! SIN!

@wtfjesus8251 Ай бұрын

Like what exactly?

@johnatkins3017 Ай бұрын

@@wtfjesus8251 A sin is a sin is a sin. Like weed brownies.

@Ghalaghor_McAllistor Ай бұрын

@@johnatkins3017 Like wearing garments of two different fabrics, eating shellfish or shaving your beard is a sin too according to the bible?

@johnatkins3017 Ай бұрын

@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor Well, I do shave my face, but I would absolutely never, never eat a shrimp. They say that some people eat snails but who would believe that now. SIN, SIN! Give me Jesus.

@Ghalaghor_McAllistor Ай бұрын

@@johnatkins3017 Yet owning people like property is not a sin for some reason.

@swingstylez Ай бұрын

"they abort right up to the moment before birth" No lady, they don't.

@kofiadosprempeh6965 Ай бұрын

❤❤❤

@elbart2001 Ай бұрын

The only thing that should matter for terminating a pregnancy, should be the age of the fetus, 12 weeks a think is a good amount of time for anybody to decide if they want to continue the pregnancy or not, after this period should be case by case.

@wmanjill Ай бұрын

Pack it up, y'all- elbart pulled a number out of their butt that *feels* right. No further research, discussion, or deliberation needed!

@elbart2001 Ай бұрын

@@wmanjill Cry me a river.

@ashleycantrell9844 Ай бұрын

@@wmanjillmy dude a good 80-90% of all abortions are done before 13 weeks. He's not far off from the statistics

@ignatiusj.reilly1197 Ай бұрын

Bonnie rocks! So awesome!

@IRGeamer Ай бұрын

“If you’ll just give up your critical faculties, a world of idiotic bliss can be yours.” - Christopher Hitchens

@wmanjill Ай бұрын

Ignoramusj.reilly with the inane hot take

@ignatiusj.reilly1197 Ай бұрын

@wmanjill I am being facetious you dumptruck of pedantic insults

@The1stInterviewer Ай бұрын

I have mixed feelings on abortion. If you don't want kids don't get your significant other pregnant in the first place. But on the other hand if you get pregnant and then decide you don't want a kid for some reason then when it's born then give up to an adoption agency.