Talk To A REAL Christian...Like Me! | Talk Heathen: Throwback

[@247tubefan]

He says, "I know that using the Bible to prove the Bible sounds crazy, but just listen, these scriptures prove it"

[@apackofhoboes]

I mean, at least he is almost completely self-aware of how silly he sounds. 😂

[@walter6574]

@@apackofhoboes key word 'almost'.

[@apackofhoboes]

@@walter6574 I mean, if he moved the goal posts a little bit more he would realize it. Maybe

[@victorhoisington5603]

Jerry has a mouth like a runaway train!

[@arthurhunt642]

Typical attorney .

[@jens2old2care]

Gotta love when people argue "well, I'm right and you just refuse to get it." Super convincing. 🙄

[@northernbrother1258]

"The reason you don't agree with me is because you don't agree with me. If you agreed with me then you'd agree with me." 🥴

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

Christians are the worst kind of folks. They keep it all polite and respectful on the surface. But there's always this condescending arrogance underneath. Waiting to boil over when someone calls them out on their bullshit. They present themselves as curious, or trying to understand your point of view, yet it’s clear they have zero interest in genuinely listening to what you are saying. Instead, their only desire is to speak to you to attempt covert you. It’s say’s a lot about their true character.

[@starsforeverdwell]

During what I call my “hippie phase,” I encountered this mentality ALL THE FREAKING TIME. 🙄 I’m right, I’ve seen the light, and if you disagree, then you’re just not “ready/enlightened” yet.

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

"if you're not willing to listen" No Jerry, YOU are not listening, or answering the question asked

[@L_o_c_a_l_G_u_y]

Projecting!

[@stevewhite6861]

He isn't here to listen, he's here to preach, that's why he's moving the goal posts and butting in.

[@chriscosby2459]

Jerry is so brainwashed that he cannot see the nonsense he is claiming.

[@mitchhaelann9215]

I wouldn't even call it preaching. It was barely-coherent rambling, at best. Preaching has a point, it has definable 'story beats' and an end-goal that the preacher is trying to coerce or trick the listener into arriving at. This guy just ranted.

[@raccuia1]

And that's how these creatures live their lives. They create a narrative and live in an unmovable fantasy that suits their emotional needs. Those that challenge this paradigm will be met with delusion, gaslighting, deflection, salad talking, emotional reasoning and any other of a number of defense mechanisms and cognitive distortions. A great portion of these creatures will then rage or gaslight you with abuse as they seek to get away from confronting any semblance of reality or objectivity. They are a lost cause but also they can be very dangerous particularly collectively.

[@stevewhite6861]

@@mitchhaelann9215 I didn't say he was doing it well, he just wanted to preach.

[@djeurosham]

This guy shifted gears from friendly to condescending so fast.

[@MaxRenke]

very skillful narcissist.

[@chrisbrooks4032]

We just don’t understand

[@coryl9292]

Jerry is the one true Scotsman.

[@brucebaker810]

"I am the One True Scotsman. ...and so's my wife!"

[@diogeneslamp8004]

@@brucebaker810 😂

[@EiferBrennan]

Brilliant!

[@duncanbryson1167]

Leave us 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 out of the 🐂💩 😉

[@A-WallfromAL]

1:04 “The common, United States kinda Bible …” Well, that speaks volumes.

[@themartialartsapproach8786]

Pun intended?

[@A-WallfromAL]

@@themartialartsapproach8786 HA!!! 👍🏼

[@sparki9085]

It speaks one volume

[@petyrkowalski9887]

The buy-bull

[@flyguyry1]

Volumes of bibles? 😂

[@Bookwyrm86]

Like most apologists, the man has no idea what evidence even is.

[@cdarw]

The arrogance and ignorance of this guy are staggering!

[@walter6574]

In other words Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@emordnilaps]

@@walter6574 D-K, yes, plus some sort of superiority syndrome ("well, you've not read the bible correctly")

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

With all the con men in religion, Jerry, tell me how you know you are not just being conned?

[@Olyfrun]

​​@@emordnilapsisn't that just classic Dunning-Kruger?

[@DingleBerryMilkshake]

This guy is a classic example of how so many these start out sounding like genial nice open-minded guys, and they get more argumentative and more forceful in their religion as call goes on

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

"Hell is hotter, it consumes completely." So what you're saying, Jerry, is that Hell is on the "clean oven" setting, not just broil?

[@diogeneslamp8004]

Satan likes a clean workspace. 😜

[@feedingravens]

Hotter than the ovens in the concentration camps? 93% of the germans in Nazi Germany were christians. For Jerry, of course, they belonged to the 2.68 billion christians misled by Satan. Resp. misled by (christianity-inherent) antisemitism, duty, honour, Nationalism, Hitler's personality.

[@cy-one]

I'd rather take from this that one won't be tortured in hell forever. Cause it ends when the consumption of one's sole reaches completion.

[@NaliTikva]

@@cy-one yeah way better

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

​@@cy-oneLol, mythology is hilarious.

[@jamescaulfield6632]

This guy in a nutshell. If you Don't. believe the way I believe then you didn't read it right.

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

For me at this point pretending to respect people’s religious beliefs is an exercise in futility. I do not respect people who CHOOSE to be gullible and uneducated - and try to foist that nonsense onto me

[@Seeker-zl7nf]

Sorry for writing such a long note, and thank you for reding it. I would love to hear your opinions and please enlighten me wherever I am wrong. It was a typical discussion between a bigot believer and a logical man. The atheist (Heaten) was all the time trying to calm Jerry (the believer) down by a nice , calm voice and based whatever he was saying on logical reasoning. Jerry on the other hand was repeating what he had already said 200 times and he was almost screaming. Jerry's argument was something like this: 2+2 is 5 and you must believe it because the Bible says so. When Heathen demonstrated the mistakes of the Bible, Jerry screamed even louder and said : You read the Bible but you do not understood it. ( As if only Jerry is smart enough to understand a book which has copy pasted some fables ( like the story of Abraham and etc) from other cultures, like old Persian mythology, into the old and new testament. Almost all the discussions with religious people ( who have never dared to use their brain and are scared of critical thinking , is similar to this one . They claim that whatever is in their scripture is correct because it is the word of God but they all fail miserably to demonstrate : 1- there is God 2- the scripture is really revealed by him. As an answer to the above 2 questions we always get the same answer : You must have faith ( which essentially means: believe in it without any good evidence or logic , and never doubt or question it). How can anyone convince such a mindset, brainwashed since the birth, of the truth? Listening to such religious people with such a mindset makes me sometimes very frustrated. Here is a funny ( at the same time kind of sad truth) : Until 10-15 years ago I wouldn't believe that such a close minded, illogical people existed. Do you know why? Because I was myself one them with the exactly the same attitude and mindset. Any way, this is what I have found out: In short : faith kills rationality and logic. I really don't intend to insult anyone but I sincerely believe that faith is a kind of sickness of brain (mind) ad such a people need help. The funny part ( perhaps dangerous would be a better word. Especially in the case of Islam , since I was a muslim once) : We sincerely want to help them to open their eyes but they are taught by Allah that we must be killed because we don't believe in that imaginary, despotic dictator, misogynistic and ignorant being as a God.

[@Faightfreedom-gr9nd]

Great perspective.

[@BeefT-Sq]

"Imagine the Gideon Bible being replaced by Atlas Shrugged on the hotel nightstand as a source of spiritual inspiration for the weary traveler." -Anonymous-from an Objectivist forum

[@JimmyJamJack]

Another dominating-the-conversation-equals-being-correct theist. The irony of thinking they'd agree if they'd only listen

[@feedingravens]

It is an art to get these people to realize what they are doing there. You have to take them along, tempt them to talk, want you to understand, so much that they go outside of the bubble of ready-made recitals and THINK about how to express it themselves, in other words. And once you got them out of their holy, untouchable words, you can question them about those. And make them see the issues THERE. And then lead them back carefully "But what you said yourself and what you said is problematic is what you said is the meaning of your holy text. Does the problem apply to that as well?" They have to (re)learn how to think on their own, about WHAT they think and WHY. And one has to plant the seed of curiosity, that it is INTERESTING to find stuff out, find it out on your own, go where YOU want to, and not where someone else determined where you want to go.

[@MrMattSax]

“I know you’re afraid to open the book” “I’ve read it cover to cover” “Well, you have to read it how I read it” Goalposts shifted.

[@JohnFnLopez]

Have you ever had this conversation, except that the believer was able to listen and answer the questions asked? Ever? One time?

[@Plaksa2004]

Happens sometimes on the Atheist experience

[@theonlyendlesscircle]

Never. I have been watching these shows for several months, and I have not heard an Evangelical answer a question or debate honestly. Religious people are so completely dishonest and I don't think that they are going to lose an ounce of sleep over it.

[@DreadEmpath69]

I mean.... Miracles do happen 😂😂😂

[@Cadet26]

The fact that the caller won’t listen, stop talking, let hosts talk, and accuses hosts of not listening shows enough about his character. He’s there to preach, not listen. He doesn’t care what they have to say, he’s just trying to prove his cheesy view.

[@carolinenagel7085]

Jerry just wants to preach. He doesn't shut up.

[@LexaJ828]

When he started condescendingly chuckling... dude, if that’s how “god” wanted you to act on the call, then he doesn’t want anyone to believe 😂

[@burningmisery]

Goal posts with wings

[@walter6574]

That sounds Muslim.

[@matthatch3920]

Sounds more like every religion.

[@walter6574]

@@matthatch3920 I should have been more clear, MooHamit (sic intentional) flew to heaven on a winged horse. Winged.

[@CycocelVocalist]

for your comfort and protection

[@diogeneslamp8004]

Goal posts had a Red Bull.

[@Mauro_Veliz]

That caller deserves a special asylum for him.

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

Imagine what goes on in these people’s heads. It’s amazing to me how people can believe these religious stories that play over and over in their imaginations. It’s mental illness. How do they function in the real world? The depth of their delusions and their grip it has on their mind is terrifying. I just hope they have someone caring for their well-being.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

mom's basement?

[@jiggyguy7782]

​@@CyberBeep_kenshi Mom's spaghetti 🍝

[@MikeBeltMikeBelt]

well, it is called the church :p

[@Ole_CornPop]

​@DennisMerwood-xk8wp they have a place they meet every Sunday and sometimes Wednesdays just for their therapy. 😂

[@JarredTheWyrdWorker]

I'm surprised you didn't call Jerry out for automatically assuming you "haven't heard the full message of Christianity" at the outset. I sure would've.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

You just need to open the book: and interpret it exactly the way I do!

[@malirk]

What till this caller finds out that he's just as good as the "professional" apologists. *All apologists are bad...*

[@TheSpanishInquisition87]

The Medes and the Persians are two separate empires. They are conflated in Christian theology ( and only in Christian theology) in order for the prophecy to make sense. Originally this prophecy pointed to the Greeks, but after the Greeks were replaced by the Romans as the dominant force in the region, the prophecy would have been wrong unless they reinterpreted it as the Medes and the Persians being the same empire. The evidence this caller is pointing to as proof of God is actually proof of Biblical errancy.

[@Pikkabuu]

Jerry: "Oh I know that just because New York exists doesn't mean that Spiderman does too." Also Jerry: "So the fact that Nebukadnessar was a real person means that the whole Bible is true." He really has no common sense...

[@AvaEFF]

“Aren’t you cherry picking?” “No! That’s just one verse!” ☠️

[@ryugrieger7244]

jerry needs to read anything other than that book

[@sandraboyd7468]

Other books mention real places, the Iliad and Odyssey are great examples. They don’t make Zeus real.

[@wizardsuth]

Spider-Man comics are set in New York, and New York is a real place. That doesn't mean Spider-Man is real.

[@JarredTheWyrdWorker]

This is your regular reminder that most Jews think that Christians interpretations of the Hebrew scriptures are completely wrong. Maybe Jerry is just another person not properly understanding the texts.

[@elementalargon7597]

Well, yeah. But that just means those Jews have an incorrect understanding of Scripture, because I have the one true understanding of it. Duh. --- How I imagine Jerry would react to your statement.

[@shookreeseeree4]

Jerry is showing the typical Dunning Kruger effects

[@lizzieh5284]

This guy is mental. Doesnt he know that many novels contain real places and some real people. In Jerry's world that means that everything in a novel is true. Doh!!!

[@tsunekakou1275]

mundane places, people, events prove miracles. such low standard and non sequitur.

[@kissit012]

I doubt jerry, or people like him, read many books at all. Thats why the bible is so fascinating to them, theres no real comparison and they get to make up whatever they want about it

[@Ole_CornPop]

Worst part was that he understood that claim because he literally brought it up but still used it anyways. 😂

[@michaellust2030]

"If you only study the Bible" he says... which assumes that the person he's talking to HASN'T studied it. Usually turns out that the person pushing the Bible, as evidence, hasn't actually studied it as deeply as the person he's trying to convince. Daniel, it appears, was written after most of the purported prophecies it is said to contain. Daniel's contrived "prophecies" are a pretty good example. The writer makes mistakes about the historical era in which the book pretends to have been written, is very accurate about the later era in which it probably WAS written, and then is mostly wrong about times after that. The most logical conclusion is that Daniel doesn't contain genuine prophecy.

[@decay79]

Jerry : You don't listen... You should do some self reflection Jerry..

[@carlosabram6030]

Let me take these goal posts and put Wile E Coyote Acme rocket skis on them.... 😂😂😂

[@modernenglishman7802]

+1 for referencing Wile E. Coyote. 👍

[@carlosabram6030]

@modernenglishman7802 thank you good sir !!

[@robbielloyd213]

I fully agree with everything said. Buuuuut. I still watch this series every year of two. Pure guilty pleasure

[@danielingalls8980]

When he started the call off with the fact that he believes in the American notion of the bible threw his whole argument after into the grey zone. The american version of christianity is only one slice of that pie that is at least a couple thousand years old.

[@stobe187]

This has big GTA 3 Chatterbox radio station energy

[@terrycraig6386]

Man, is this Ned Flanders from " The Simpsons? ".His voice mannerism is uncanny!!😮😅

[@MrEvanrich]

"Go to a children's oncology ward" everytime i bring that up to thiests they get real quiet

[@redstar77]

Jerry says the key point at 15:00 common to many apologists when Bible verses are brought up: "Just because you've heard one interpretation of it doesn't mean you've heard the correct one." The correct one always being that of their particular sect or denomination, when there are usually other equally valid competing interpretations. Continuing the conversation past that point is jumping into the theological briar patch, with the speakers reciting Bible verses back and forth, along with what they claim to be the "correct interpretation" or "what it really means."

[@ARoll925]

NEWSFLASH JERRY, there's no way to confirm Nebuchadnezzar's dream either, to say that there is, is wild

[@ronthered138]

Am I the only person watching this that thinks that the police should be checking Jerry's basement?

[@Childfree334]

His voice sounds so condescendingly creepy. I just wanted to slap him.

[@taurculh69]

I play games while listening to these shows, and this was he first time while playing a game I caught myself saying out loud "dammit Jerry let them talk", that's how frustrating that was.

[@JohnKoenig-db8lk]

Invincible ignorance plus arrogant condescension. What a charming combination.

[@L_o_c_a_l_G_u_y]

Who's going to tell him that the prophecy in Daniel was written after the events described? 🤐

[@tarp-grommet]

Sorry Jerry, when people don't agree with you it does not mean they did not hear you.

[@michaelmo-ri-ar-ty1016]

It's wild to hear a caller call in just to hear themselves talk

[@feedingravens]

Most of them are so, same with flat earthers. That are usually not flat earthers, but globe deniers. They have ZERO interests how the flat earth looks like and how things work on a flat earth, all that counts is that them globies are all wrong

[@keiryuujin]

This guy is the living embodiment of the No True Scotsman fallacy

[@rakitakhan]

He's a REAL Christian. Now Christians are judging each other and not just Atheists.

[@n0w3lly90]

I love when they ask for an "open mind" when what they mean is "to accept the absolute dogma I accept at the exclusion of all/ any other dogmas and/ or reasonable positions there might exist to hold"! 😂

[@petermeichan3160]

jerry sounds like he's looking for a dictator

[@tehspamgozehere]

I'm amazed at the number of callers who outright refuse to answer simple questions. They're either trying to avoid a trap they think is there, or refusing to answer, or don't see the point so ignore it.. If Fred wants to convince Jerry of something, then Fred needs to adapt his message to meet Jerry in Jerry's own headspace. If Jerry has answers, Fred must answer them. Avoiding them for any reason weakens the argument. If Fred doesn't feel comfortable answering the question, he can say that but should still address it directly anyway. If asked a simple binary yes/no question, answer yes or no THEN add qualifiers and clarifications. But answer the question first.

[@wynlewis5357]

Jerry seems real good at convincing himself of something !

[@cgfamorcan9809]

Jerry sound like a caller called Jon from Hawaii. Same voice same Circular Arguments.

[@wasssyup]

Probably because he is. There's a video that went up yesterday with mat and the blond bearded man as the hosts and this guy went under the name of jerry. 3th vid in the video roster. 45 min long.😅

[@whenwedecay]

My version of the bible... God's word should be the same in every denomination. Provided god exists...

[@danwhite1198]

The dude in the rocket could have renter a Cessna and a flight instructor for the price of the parachute for that rocket. Professor Brian Cox flew to Australia and rented a British Electric Lightning fighter jet that took him high enough to clearly see the curvature of the earth and he filmed the flight. Dying for a stupid publicity stunt!

[@walter6574]

I'm relieved to realize I don't share Jerry's mindset. It's disheartening to grasp that my final breath marks the end, while Jerry faces death with the comfort of believing in paradise to come. Consider if, before birth, we were presented with a choice: "Would you prefer to live unaware of reality, believing in an afterlife, or confront reality, knowing life ends?" If posed with that question, I'd find it incredibly challenging to respond.

[@stevesmith1689]

Eternity is an awfully long time ... these people never seem to give any thought to what they would actually like to do with the time.

[@lizzieh5284]

If Jerry is going to heaven I don't want to go there.

[@Taylor-vz4ot]

When a fire burns the end of an age, we call that Dark Souls XD

[@adeofbass]

"Wait?...what? There are more magical people? That's a great line. Totally stealing that the next time one of these individuals approaches me.

[@808nats]

WOW I CANT BELIEVE THEY BELIEVE LOL 😂 it’s like believing the Wizard of Oz is a true story

[@cherryfox4197]

"All that means is the people who wrote the New Testament, read the Old Testament" - Bill Maher

[@tobbex7372]

Faith is up to the person. Period. I couldn't care less of YOUR beleif. I have mine. Take care!

[@jbibro]

The Hell of the Bible will ruin your whole weekend.

[@brucebaker810]

JC had a Really Bad Weekend to save you, me, and Steve from Hell./s

[@BaronVonQuiply]

18:42 I watched a show last night that had Canadians in it. It blew my socks off when I learned that.

[@cookiescraftscats]

Jerry is straight oughta Letterkenney.

[@blueredingreen]

I'm coming from AXP, which sometimes lets the callers say way too little. But this is all the way on the other end, where you just let the caller go off on some monologue that you really should've interrupted fairly early on.

[@natlegend]

"Oh no the tomatoes have perished." Guess they're in hell now.

[@catweasle5737]

Matt would be swearing his head off 5 minutes in. I like listening to these two who can have a civil conversation, no matter how batshit crazy the callers are. ☺

[@flyguyry1]

Yes matt is only tolerable when hes calm

[@jamesguptill6611]

At the end of the day, some people will accept msgic. I never could. I think people like to beleive they have special knowledge. Its a sad situation pressed by foolish institutions.

[@walter6574]

I used to enjoy magic. I performed magic tricks in high school. Now I typically avoid magic unless I catch something that to me looks improbable and want to know how it is done. Magic to me now is understanding the brilliance of magicians who come up with that technique.

[@adamrspears1981]

An example of failed prophecy in the Bible: Matthew 1:23 kjv "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

[@DennisMerwood-xk8wp]

Another example: Matthew 16:28: "Verily I say unto you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." 2,024 years later……….still waiting. Jesus……JUST ANOTHER FALSE PHROPHET.

[@slickshewz]

If there ever was a Scotsman.

[@StevoMoreland]

It's Jerry the tru Christian !

[@RobGravelle]

It boggles the mind that someone can be so disconnected from reality. Just to be clear, I am referring to Jerry, the caller. 😄

[@christian53050]

Unrewarding discussion...

[@dalecs47]

"Today I want you to understand my faith and believe in my god. Tomorrow I want you to listen to me, believe everything I say, ask no questions, do what I tell you to do and give me money." At the end of the day having religious faith means allowing someone to have power over you and giving them your money. Religion has no other purpose.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

« I believe in the bible… the common United States bible » 😂😂😂😂

[@gracie1312]

I love Darrell 💛

[@libertynow4047]

He sounds like a Seventh Day Adventist

[@flyguyry1]

Ofc he is

[@ganndeber1621]

What a creepy creepy man, his hard drive needs investigating

[@petermeichan3160]

or being hit with a hammer

[@ganndeber1621]

@@petermeichan3160 No find out what is on it so he can be prosecuted

[@petermeichan3160]

@@ganndeber1621 when you said hard drive i tohught it was a reference to his little brain

[@ganndeber1621]

@@petermeichan3160 perhaps not a good idea to suggest hitting people's brain s with a hammer

[@matthatch3920]

​@@ganndeber1621Perhaps a better idea would be to get a sense of humor.

[@kboussa]

I'm seriously starting to think that each christian in America is becoming his own god. They are amazing and entertaining to watch, but also frigthening.

[@herawynn1397]

I would.have stopped at "US Bible"

[@chriscosby2459]

Jerry needs to back off the Mountain Dew or Coffee.

[@lizzieh5284]

Jerry doesnt know what the word 'evidence' means.

[@Jcs57]

What Jerry does know wouldn’t fill a thimble.

[@Twentydragon]

I hope Jerry asked himself these same questions after the call.

[@1c9n8k8]

The common United States kind of Bible lol

[@wizardsuth]

Maybe he thinks James was king of America? A lot of American Christians seem to think Jesus was a fair-skinned, blond-haired, blue-eyed American.

[@iitywybmad29]

Faith is not a virtue. Faith is gullibility. Faith is the surrender of your mind. Faith is the abandonment of logic and reason. Faith is the surrender of your free will. Faith is your weakness.

[@AvaEFF]

“You’re not willing to hear it!” *hears it* “I don’t believe it.” “You’re just Not willing to hear it! I don’t know what to tell you 🤷”

[@JB-yb4wn]

Well you open the book to get a bigger surface area to squash bugs.

[@Bacardi-D]

The tone in his voice,,,,from the START,,,, screams "ima brainwashed narcissist ""

[@Mouth-of-Spaghetti]

His smug is so annoying

[@stephentaylor356]

Lmao he actually said prophecy from *other* religions are too vague. It's not even a pot and kettle anymore, it's two pots both screaming that they're actually apples.

[@Jcs57]

It’s kinda of sad actually that the moment they say “I’m a Christian” and “refer to the Bible” the assumptions about them that I instinctively make.

[@noracola5285]

At this point it isn't an assumption, it's an observed pattern.

[@sylverrob]

This man is a Seventh Day Adventist or at least a Restorationist.

[@flyguyry1]

Def an SDA

[@sylverrob]

Come here, bro. Can't pay the therapy bills but, cheers. 🥂

[@HolmRose]

sounds like Jerry is a Seventh Day Adventist

[@flyguyry1]

Ofc he is

[@flyguyry1]

Of course he is

[@sunzi42]

It would be VERY funny to see Jerry in a court of law when he is acused of a crime. He would simply say: "I am a human and I am.not guilty. Since I clearly is human, then I must also not be guilty, since both statement was in the same sentence!"

[@gospeljoy5713]

KZbin has a lot of atheist content. Yet it also has a ton of christian content. I can watch videos especially music videos from countries around the world. I also can see comments from believers from across the globe. We all live in our unique worlds.

[@sauliuss2915]

It's just like SNL but for atheists ... Or just logical person

[@sauliuss2915]

It's sometimes funy,ridiculous but sometimes it's just scary

[@gregoryeatroff8608]

Talk about the past isn't prophecy. The stuff about Nebuchadnezzar was written after he lived, not before. As for telling Nebuchadnezzar about the countries that would come, it doesn't name any of them, it makes vague statements about iron and clay toes that people attached to countries after the fact. Saying something vague and super-metaphorical and then assigning it a specific interpretation after a specific thing happened isn't prophecy either, not in any honest or meaningful way.

[@snowflakemelter1172]

I strongly feel that if someone is preaching its a big warning that they are pushing a delusion and feel insecure unless they can convince others of it.

[@slimjim227]

Faith is just wilful gullibility!