CALLING A MAGAZINE, A CLIP

[@NoHomo1776]

And if you call an extended magazine an “extendo,” you most likely have a 300 credit score.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

That's being too generous, lol. I might need to add "extendo" to my nomenclature. Of course, EXTENADO will have multiple uses.

[@caseycarpenter7043]

Thank you once again another informative video my Dad was a WW2 veteran I knew what to say lol

[@mr.mr.3301]

This channel should have over 200,000 subs by now

[@garyh1449]

Savage used the term "Clip". The Model 99C for instance where the "c" stood for clip (A removable magazine) I also have an older Savage rifle with "clip" stamped on the removable magazine. I wonder if they may have thought of the removable magazine as a clip type magazine or something to that effect. Removable magazines go back a number of years, I don't know when clips were first used.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

For a couple of years, Remington advertisements referred to their shotgun tube magazines as a clip. I think firms of the day were trying to use terminology that connected with the common man (which isn't a bad strategy). Like I stated in the video, calling a magazine a clip was perfectly acceptable up until the late 1980s. Then in the late 1990s, when magazines were regulated for the first time, specific descriptions became important in a legal sense.

[@paulharding1621]

Made me smile as always DD. Here in the UK we have an ongoing fad of calling bullets “heads” and cartridges “bullets”. Some of the main perpetrators of this are the gun shops who regularly advertise “ bullet heads”. Another aspect that occasionally make me cringe is confusing calibre with cartridge. Firearms are chambered to suit a certain cartridge, calibre being the diameter of the bore prior to rifling. 🤔

[@HamSlicer]

For those that think the terminology is interchangeable. I wonder if their surgeon knows the names of the different medical tools. Or does he just call them all clips?

[@BrokenBarBox]

I guess I just view this differently. If someone says clip, I know what they are talking about. My thought is, why be a dick? Why be the “well actually” guy? Depending on where you are in the world, many common things are called different things. I depress the magazine release, but in Louisiana they ‘mash’ it. I’ve always viewed the individuals who will go out of their way to humiliate someone using incorrect terminology as nothing more than gatekeepers. Rather than be patient with the less informed, they would rather show everyone how superior they are by stepping on the novice. The gun owners club is not some super exclusive group. We need all the new members we can get. I’d rather welcome someone in and help them learn than to just be a dick

[@williammullen756]

Sounds like your a loser and cry a bunch

[@richardkramer1094]

As a gunsmith it is the biggest problem that gun owners don’t know the nomenclature. It is especially important when someone calls me and tries to describe the problem they are having and don’t know the proper terminology. I cannot diagnose someone’s situation if they cannot describe a problem with the proper nomenclature…that is why it is important. I no longer ‘diagnose’ over the phone because of this. If you’re going to own and tote a gun educate yourself on the nomenclature of that firearm. Thanks @DD

[@billfisher6708]

I’m a Vietnam veteran and yeah, while I was trained on the basics of firing several different weapons they never went into great detail about nomenclature.

[@rpmorrisjr]

Do note, I was buying Remington model 788s in mid through late 70s and the Remington ads themselves referred to “clip magazine”. So… some grace to the old timers. It really was somewhat interchangeable at one time in the not too distant past.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Absolutely. That is why I mentioned that in the video (to answer the viewer's question about his grandfather).

[@rpmorrisjr]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113yes you did. Your vid was thorough as always. I wasn’t implying you missed something. I just happened to have had that discussion with a friend a few weeks ago and went back went back and found some old ads to substantiate to friend what I’d asserted. So since I had a specific example I figured I’d chime in. Always enjoy your videos. Thanks for continuing to take the time to make them.

[@JeffreyCotle]

Hi desert dog from Pennsylvania . I am an army veteran 12 bravo combat engineer. I know the difference. Awsome video. Thank you. My M1 garand loads with clips. And my AR loads with a magazine same as my colt 1911. I 100 percent side with military and law enforcement. I retired from law enforcement. God bless .😊

[@cobjread]

I think the terminology that makes me cringe most frequently is hearing a firearm referred to as a weapon... I picked this one up from my NRA Instructor when i was training to become an instructor. He was making the point that all sorts of things qualify as weapons when being used inappropriately. Likewise, firearms can be used as a weapon, but they are not inherently weapons, any more so that a knife or even a lead pipe or screw driver is. So, i guess i feel like we do our own community a disservice if we refer to them as weapons instead of firearms.

[@davewinter2688]

DI: “This is my weapon, this is my gun. One is for fighting, the other for fun.” 😅

[@williamgaines9784]

Well done! I always chuckle when I recall an instructor who always said "You must use the correct NORMANclature when describing your equipment." 🤭

[@exothermal.sprocket]

I identify as a magclipazine. My personal pronouns are peace, love, hollowpoints, and Most Honorable Sire.

[@Peterdragon8769]

Thank you.

[@codywilliams1506]

In my opinion, there are ONLY 3 “clips”: Stripper Clips, En Bloc Clips (ex: M1 Garand, Carcano) & Moon Clips. Other than that, a box magazine is a magazine that holds ammunition for a semi-automatic pistols/rifles/shotguns (yes, there are some semi-auto/pump shotguns that take box magazines now); THEY ARE NOT CALLED “Clips”. Jesus, when I hear someone call a box magazine “clips”, I cringe.

[@davewinter2688]

Showing your self anointed moral superiority!

[@garyh1449]

Proves that you have too much time on your hands. "Cringe" really?

[@nazaretnalbandian3619]

May I say, this was a short video clip?

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

😂😂

[@luvtahandload7692]

I've read all about this topic in a, ahem, magazine. 😊

[@nazaretnalbandian3619]

@@luvtahandload7692 😁😁😁

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

I definitely agree with using proper terminology for firearms and ammunition. I do believe that picture of the Navy guys backwards scope was photoshopped, if you pause and look. However, you are certainly correct to state that military and or law enforcement experience does not automatically mean that someone is good with or knows anything about firearms. I’ve seen that many times, in fact I’d bet money that you have FAR more knowledge of firearms and their use than at least 90 percent or more of our military.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

It was not photo shopped. It was a recent Navy PR day that they had. There was lots of video of the Commander shooting with his scope backward. There is countless pics of Army in Iraq patrolling with backward Eotechs as well.

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Yes I’ve seen lots of backwards eotech pictures. On this Navy one how is the scope mounted? There are no rings on the scope that I can see.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

​@@NCWoodlandRoamer The scope is a VCOG that the Navy and USMC currently use. It has an integral Picatinny mount. The photos and videos of this joker are indeed real.

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 Oh ok I got it now. Wow, unbelievable.

[@oteliogarcia1562]

I remember Ross Seyfried getting angry about this. "Clips belong on pistols" or something.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

This is because Ross was a product of Jeff Cooper. He was on staff at Coopers first school and shot in the Weaver stance as Cooper instructed. As mentioned in the video, Cooper's entire "instruction tree" demands proper nomenclature when describing firearms and ammunition.

[@RoadRage_OG]

Well said

[@edwardabrams4972]

I have in my 60+ short years in the business of hunting reloading and collecting have tried to call them what ever the gun manufacture that made the gun called them😳 I figure if they made the gun they should know what they are building 🙌

[@jackdorsey4850]

When I was in we called them mag.

[@hazcat640]

Agreed. Proper terminology is important, especially in todays litigious and anti 2A world.

[@sumkidincali]

I’m gonna have to disagree. Let them outlaw gats, straps, clips, just don’t touch my firearms

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

@@sumkidincali But they don't outlaw clips and gatz. They outlaw MAGAZINES, sound suppressors, bump stocks, and strategically plan complex registration schemes. Firearms are not banned, features or firearms are banned. The antis are smart enough to specifically call a magazine a magazine; they know what they are doing. We are the ones who are behind the learning curve.

[@JamesM-l5g]

HEY DESERT DWAG! Have you watched Little Crow Gunworks? The 7mm showdown, in my mind, is proving to be outstanding! Be interesting to hear your thoughts. Thanks for your videos! They help me. Have a good day👍

[@JamesM-l5g]

After reconsidering my question, though these guys are good, they are long range hunters…. So you may not openly speak about these guys. But the Little Crow channel is pretty insightful.

[@davidlaney8254]

It’s completely understandable how detachable magazines were commonly called a clip since earlier rifles with internal magazines used clips to hold multiple cartridges for easier and quicker loading into the magazine. In other words, clip was the legacy term for something that held multiple cartridges together outside the rifle. Today, people who enjoy the debate are much like those who like to play “gotcha” with gun store employees. They remind of those who somehow elevate themselves by using the word “venomous” to describe snakes when others say “poisonous”. The technical difference means little to the one in pain from a bite.

[@garyh1449]

I have to say with everything going on in todays world I have more to think about that terms related to items. If I know what they mean then it's close enough. Take a little time to smell the flowers...........er............. roses, Oh you know what I mean. Some people love to correct other people, I don't know if it's to make them seem smarter og to make others to seem stupid. I see it all the time in comments. Correcting spelling, etc.. I call them the grammar police.

[@BrokenBarBox]

I completely agree. There is a segment of the population that wakes every day with the singular goal of putting someone in their place. I’m sure someone much more educated than I can explain the psychology behind a pedantic individual. I just know that regardless of the topic, the ‘well actually’ guy is never viewed with respect and is in fact often despised for their attempted contributions to the topic at hand

[@LUVDOGS1954]

Back in the day people called hollow point ammo a "dum-dum".

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

I could’ve swore a dum dum was just an FMJ seated backwards.

[@LUVDOGS1954]

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 named after Dum Dum India where the British manufactured soft an hollow point ammo.

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

@@LUVDOGS1954 Gotcha

[@JamesM-l5g]

Yeah

[@Bunduki]

In the African bush, the only Clip l knew was the one your father gave you across the back of the head for misbehaving or been rude to your Mother or elders.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

You are correct. Outside the United States, nobody refers to a magazine as a clip.

[@tylersathern1076]

Or when people call a rifle a gun. Sheesh!

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

Oh man, I correct everyone out loud on every video I watch when that happens. 😂

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

This is only true from a military perspective (and only in the last 100 years). When the military stopped using old cannons, modern artillery was referred to as "Guns". So the military used Guns, Rifles, and sidearms to describe a particular weapon. Being specific in this regard might be important on the battlefield. BUT outside the military, the real definition of a gun can be anything that shoots a projectile; be it a handgun, shotgun, rubber band gun, squirt gun, nail gun, or a glue gun. The legal description of a gun includes all firearms.

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 True, but I still can’t help myself 😂

[@Paul-k5l1k]

Personally, I reject the whole magazine being called a clip because of our politicians and the pro gun controllers making the mistake. I cringe at the absurd statements made by our ignorant government in their attempt to ban firearms especially when they obviously have no idea what they are talking about. How can they ban an “assault” weapon when they can’t even communicate what an “assault” weapon is or know the correct names of a firearm’s components.?

[@Denner771]

Interchangeable

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Then tell the cops in a blue state that your 100-round "Beta C" is legal because it's a clip. They will argue that it's a magazine (which is regulated). So in a modern legal sense, terminology is important.

[@williamgaines9784]

​@@desertdogoutdoors1113 further, the "Blackhawk Down" soldiers found out the difference the hardest way. They had been ditching their magazines when reloading while moving and when extra ammo was dropped to them, it was in clips, but they had very few magazines left to put the clips' contents into. It resulted in some tactical changes that the survivors were able to relate to avoid future errrors.

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

​@@williamgaines9784 Great point. Indeed, magazines are often loaded from clips.

[@NicholsonDR]

The people with the most experience and training know exactly what a person means when they use the word "clip" but are actually referring to a magazine. Only pedantic a-holes make a big deal about it.

[@gunguide9201]

Does it realy matter...

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

Since the late 1990s, when magazines became a regulated feature of a firearm, correct terminology became important in a legal sense.

[@trevorkolmatycki4042]

Alas, I am a sinner, but I have repented and God has forgiven me… My confession: I used to refer to a cartridge as a caliber. 🙏🏽😔🙏🏽 Now my new curse is feeling a twinge of annoyance every time I hear others make this same trivial error in semantics even though it really is no big deal because both I and everybody else knows exactly what they mean. It is most poignant when you hear a person speak authoritatively on the subject whilst using technically incorrect nomenclature… that is really hard not to notice. Fortunately I have enough sense to keep my mouth shut. The unsolicited correcting of peoples words is peak douchebaggery.

[@22vampyre]

A whole lotta Boomers use the term “clip”, and it is annoying…

[@desertdogoutdoors1113]

As mentioned in the video, it was perfectly acceptable to use the word clip to describe a magazine in their day. Even Savage and Remington did it in their advertising.

[@22vampyre]

@@desertdogoutdoors1113 I know, and I get it. My dad, uncles and Gramps all called them “clips”, and still do. It still causes annoyance…

[@Joshua-yr2fz]

Thank you.