Calvin Robinson & Robyn Henderson-Espinoza: Has woke theology gone too far?

[@RichardBRiddick-n7x]

“I don’t like labels.” Proceeds to love labels.

[@danieldornyo3041]

Right😂

[@missmaria3364]

The most helpful function the labels serve is to confirm a severe lack of self-awareness.

[@terezka5340]

One of the things I have been noticing the woke spokesmen have in common: use of big words to discribe nothing. Wereas non-woke persons speak normally and it has real content.

[@goldie862]

💯

[@H3B3R33]

And list all of their accomplishments, and degrees, while attempting to sound humble in order to assert their authority in the subject. “You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” ‭‭John‬ ‭8‬:‭44‬ ‭

[@jon123xyz]

It is obscurantism to confuse, deflect and avoid being pinned down to anything.

[@patricedenis42]

Actually when you use non sense words and your Fake ideology you have to back up your non sense with your degree or not your knowledge. When a Christian doesn't use the bible to explain your ideas and use our feelings Is the path to lead you to satan. Fact Is fact and your feelings doesn't matters. she Said the language shapes your reality and i really think about something prostitution and adultery exists thé Time of Jésus, should We reinterpretate the bible to intégrate those sins and i know some people We are so unfaithful and they think that's a part of their identity , God Comes to change Bad save us

[@MrDellmatic]

I was thinking this exact same thing

[@petewalker6321]

Thank you Calvin for robustly upholding clear and self-evidently true biblical understanding!

[@willtoms7209]

At the 24 years I was dramatically rescued by Jesus from a demonic spirit. The next day I was born again, free from 2 areas of addiction. 16 years later, ten years into a good marriage, a homosexual spirit, I believe, came on me, causing me to feel sexual attraction to men. I held my ground (Eph 6:13) for one full year, after which it departed. I believe many psychologically vulnerable people who are not solidly moored to the truth of God can fall prey to such an overwhelming attack. So yes, prayer is very important, and perhaps in some cases deliberate exorcism. Be Blessed!

[@cynthiakleyn-kennedy5881]

Thanks for having Calvin. It’s as simple as he suggests: we should “ identify” as Christian at all times everywhere. Key seems to be the focus on Christ as opposed to all the social construct nonsense, all focused on SELF.

[@cinsc556]

Thank you Justin for your perseverance! I'm not sure I've ever heard two such ideologically different people talk more congenially. Thanks also to Calvin and Robyn for conversing without hurling accusations or shouting at each other. This kind of open, respectful exchange is exactly what our world needs right now.

[@mpalmer22]

I actually prefer the heated debates that turn into sparring matches, they are way more entertaining to watch then respectful discussions

[@jon123xyz]

Are you serious! The "they Latinx ..." person is a fraud.

[@patricedenis42]

Of course he , her Is a fraude ​@@jon123xyz

[@MoSho23]

@@jon123xyzCalvin and Robyn consistently found points upon which to agree, despite also disagreeing on a lot. Both spoke very respectfully to each other and are encouraging difficult discourse, mercy, and grace in order to reach truth, since the truth can already hurt on its own (no need to add insult to injury) People on both sides need to be willing to respectfully layout their arguments in front of opponents and be open to opponents identifying the holes in their arguments or seeing it’s consistency. This also helps us mature our walk

[@tammydrew9075]

Wow, so impressed by Calvin's commitment to biblical truth. The really sad part is Robyn is counseling and teaching others as a "theologian." He is leading many people away from biblical truth. Tragic

[@frankm6546]

I've learned long ago that anyone can be a "pastor" or "theologian" in every single heretical theological position under the sun. I'd take an old lady who can't even read but who has truly lived out, robust faith in Christ teaching me than some of these "theologians". This person teaches at Duke Divinity School for goodness sake......yikes.

[@geoffreygathara9870]

The problem with that is according to the bible their blood is on his hands. He will be asked of their blood

[@ryankmyles3922]

​@@jackisgallant clearly a confused woman, but woman nonetheless 😅

[@inchristalone25]

@@jackisgallant Yeah very clearly a woman dressing as a man which is sinful. She is a false teacher leading people to hell.

[@robinrobyn1714]

@@ryankmyles3922 Clearly a confused man. But a man... without question. Robert ( not ' Robyn') is deluded.

[@AlrightDave]

Calvin is spot on here. I'm fortunate that (so far) my church of England church that I attend hasn't given in to wokeism....

[@vecumex9466]

Did you watch-listen to their dialogue? Calvin said the opposite rather the church of England is the Meca of wokeism.

[@AlrightDave]

@@vecumex9466 yes I did watch it - You haven't understood my post though.

[@fedev80]

The church of England has been rotting for a long time now, it will come to your church too, there are very few brave people left.

[@andybray9791]

Their related schools has given into false gospel

[@kirkchurchil8216]

I would argue any group that preaches counter to the gospel is not part of the church, since the church in itself is the body of Believers (Romans 16:5) not the building. Part of me is baffled by the fact that people are even willing to debate heretics like this the disciples would have just said “your not a believe because of a,b,c” and moved on and excommunicated the individuals until they repented which is the biblical thing to do according to Paul. I do like Calvin though he’s is a very smart man.

[@slytheguy6761]

Hold the Line Calvin Hold the Line ! 🙌

[@markkateley1249]

I find it staggering when the C of E should be crying out for people like Calvin that he gets rejected whilst others who barely believe in Christ let alone the scriptures go on to be ordained.

[@martinploughboy988]

It's because he would show the bishops for what they are, hireling shepherds.

[@hexa1905]

That the the weakness of a religion that wishes to expand and control the world. I myself could do a theology degree in Christianity as an infidel and climb the ladder of the church.

[@martinploughboy988]

@@hexa1905 "the weakness of a religion that wishes to expand and control the world." That's not Christianity.

[@ShoshiPlatypus]

Well said. Exactly what I've been thinking ever since I heard that Calvin had been forbidden ordination, and on what grounds. The CofE is indeed in desperate straits. God is not mocked.

[@AlexStock187]

“I use terms like trans-queer-LatinX because of apophatic theology.” Wait, what? Apophatic theology is about how God is beyond all names and beyond all categories. Why would this inspire us to apply labels to ourselves? Every human is an image-bearer, and has nearly limitless potential to reflect God, and you think the appropriate response is to slap labels on yourself? “Sure, I’m a microcosmic infinity reflecting the macrocosmic infinity, but what’s REALLY important is that I’m gay.”

[@otaku4Gaijin]

Brilliant comment.

[@wynniwagner2003]

Right?!

[@anyanyanyanyanyany3551]

@@otaku4Gaijin nerd 4 white pipol?

[@BurritoBandito140]

Glad I'm not the only one seeing the hypocrisy here.

[@grayham_and_eggz]

@Alex Stock William Franke has a paper about this titled "A Negative Theological Critique of Postmodern Identity Politics," if you haven't already read it. :)

[@louisebraiden5842]

Thank God for Calvin! 🙌 May God continue to bless and make a way for you as you faithfully speak the truth of God’s word. I found Robyn’s worldview to be really quite confused and contradictory and not a coherent one! Hats off to both for a respectful conversation 👏

[@homemademusic7]

I've got a lable for Calvin. "Good and faithful servant." God bless him.

[@wynniwagner2003]

Amen, Calvin! Amen!

[@eswn1816]

A discussion, not a debate. Quite civil. Interesting and worthwhile. Very well moderated.

[@JSRINTX]

I think we have really lost focus on God when we say things like I'm willing to be a Christian as long as I can do what I want to do.

[@CaryHawkins]

Just hearing Robyn's introduction should be enough for anyone to answer the debate question.

[@lancewren6870]

"I'm quite orthodox in my theology in fact" -Robyn Henderson-Espinoza

[@jon123xyz]

​@@lancewren6870I think he was not joking, just delusional

[@ftmrivas3043]

I pray for Robinson that he continues to stand up for the Gospel.

[@nh8154]

Calvin, I admire your being true to Christ's teachings and to your mission. Speaking from my own experience, I know that truth hurts more than anything else. That is the reason why you get attacked so much. Of course, it is easier to give in to our desires rather than abstain from them. As an Orthodox Christian I share all of the beliefs that you have addressed in this episode. Prayer and fasting are key to true enlightenment and without them I doubt that anyone will be able to be saved. Hedonism is the opposite, and thus it should be remembered that it opens a door (or rather, a gate) to hell. It is so good to see that there are still people around who realize that, and, which is more important, are prepared to speak out and to face defamation. God help you, Calvin, and guard you 🙏🙏🙏! Thank you, Justin, for inviting Calvin and for all of your work!!! God bless you all!

[@Brando_93]

This was such a wholesome conversation. Wish it could’ve gone longer! Thanks for doing these Justin! This is exactly what we need right now

[@jenniferbate9682]

I agree with Calvin. The Archbishop of Canterbury is coming from a woke world which is disappointing.

[@andybray9791]

Welby is blindly given into a warped world so his attitude is warped

[@jon123xyz]

The Archbishop is destroying the CoE, thinking he is saving it. He is a Trogan Horse and does not know it.

[@ChristineDudley-k2k]

Thank you Calvin for standing for truth...

[@kevinpoole4323]

Dr Calvin Robinson Brilliant Gentleman

[@DinoNairobi]

'Celibacy is not a dirty word.' God calls us all to live holy lives because God is holy.

[@kamilziemian995]

I wish that I would can to sit with Calvin Robinson for a hour and talk about Christ and today's society.

[@porscheguy19]

I just read this today, and the guests in this video brought it back to mind: Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit, and wickedness as with cart ropes, to those who say, “Let God hurry; let him hasten his work so we may see it. The plan of the Holy One of Israel- let it approach, let it come into view, so we may know it.” Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.

[@AlrightDave]

Both guests?

[@sandracoombs2255]

Surely only one guest?!?

[@porscheguy19]

@@sandracoombs2255 Both. I mean, sure, the one is obvious... but the other still plays the "racism is evil" power game. Got does not do this. In fact, He judges the races and the nations in the end.

[@pollyisgood6133]

Amen! Porscheguy19, All the children of devil, the Father of lies will be casted in the fire of damnation for all eternity. Heaven & Earth will pass away but My WORDS will never pass away. King Jesus, the Maker of heaven & earth & everything that in them & under the earth!!!

[@fredrik.claesson]

Thank you Robyn and Calvin for this great conversation! Thank you for being both clear and humble towards each other despite very clear differences.

[@jon123xyz]

When was Robyn clear?

[@MegaGouch]

43:27 it's incredible how much depth is hidden behind this one liner. Just one of many seemingly simple statements that shows how complicated the world has become. I feel like Calvin managed this conversation exceptionally well. I would say it was an interesting conversation but I think illuminating is more appropriate.

[@danielchile76]

“I don’t like labels” - but I’m queer, Latinx, non binary, liberationist, etc…

[@rachelatwater7576]

His hypocrisy is showing lol

[@danielchile76]

13:45 as a brown man from Chile I ask… what war on black and brown people are we talking about???

[@zivanshe]

Great conversation! Thank you. I am not from the UK nor the US, culture I live in is different, so I do not have hands-on experience with this matter. This was the first time I heard anything coming from Calvin Robinson & Robyn Henderson-Espinoza, so I did not come from any of the polarized camps, but admittedly with a bias towards valuing every person's humanity, and with the belief that God fundamentally loves us. I was AMAZED how composed, understanding, informative, and rational Robyn was. I wish I had that ability. To truly be more understanding of "others". I believe that is fundamentally Christian. Thank you once again for this conversation!

[@Wolverine3308]

Thank you for hosting this. This was a great example of how we should handle each other when on different sides of beliefs. People r too triggered now days. This was great to see something actually discussed respectfully with having different opinions. Thank you for doing this. We need more of this.

[@Daggoth13]

I'm a Latino and is known that overwhelming that the Latin community don't like the term Latinx, so Robyn is like they offer a solution for a problem we don't have.

[@madrsy]

"To live faithfully is to live Biblically". Great by Calvin Robyn never quotes with Bible with giving her opinions.

[@halleylujah247]

God bless and have mercy on every one in this conversation.

[@mindystone3802]

Thank you for your clarity and helping to reawaken my desire to live a Christian life.

[@jakeroberts6274]

Robyn represents everything wrong with the mainstream church right now, sad to say, but is very likeable at a personal level

[@EluxeM]

She represents everything wrong with society right now! A narcissistic focus on difference instead of focusing on what unites us

[@CB-fb5mi]

I have no idea what ‘mainstream church’ you are talking about. Dr. Robyn has been pretty clear that they don’t see themselves as part of the institutional church

[@Hope20249]

Great conversation, thank you all.

[@atypicalmom]

So refreshing to hear people thoughtfully discuss without yelling at each other. Great people, very helpful.

[@mpalmer22]

Yeah, but respectful discussions are not nearly as entertaining as debates as sparring matches

[@inchristalone25]

That's about where it ends, she needed to be called out as a false teacher.

[@michellefrench6617]

Thank you Calvin. ⭐️

[@kimmykimko]

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put forth sweet for bitter and bitter for sweet. Repent Robyn.

[@micahprice2807]

As a Baptist, a real one, or at least raised Baptist, I would like to assure the audience that Robyn’s “Baptist” position is very, very far from traditional Baptist theology…

[@christinemacpherson6129]

This was refreshingly respectful by all. We need more of these conversations. I think it’s due to all participants being Christian and using that as their main platform. He was the perfect model in navigating relationships. Thank you!

[@bluedog562]

No one the girl or guy?? Is a Christian.

[@perrysiddons5423]

Wow, what a fantastic conversation!

[@MrKaiRobinson]

These people can’t defend their ideas hence they resort to word salads and using words they admit they can’t define

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

This is a professor? She said that she doesn't like hypocrite yet she is one. She said she dislikes labels yet she uses a plethora of then to describe herself. Here's another one, she says she is a Christian yet she uses labels that contradict her declaration!

[@gaylerobertson7971]

I love Calvin's questions!

[@kbeetles]

Compassion is not the singular teaching of Christianity. Jesus was not walking on eggshells not to hurt anybody's feelings.... sentimentality is not love, compassion is not agreement with people, our standards of not being judgemental to others is balanced by our most rigorous but discerning examination of ourselves, our actions, our motives. Calvin has the fire while Robyn seems to be sitting comfortably in tepid water.....

[@sonofphilip8229]

Taking notes! I think conservatives are starting to get the picture of how to have these dialogs. The most important thing is to REJECT THE FRAMING. The best responses we can give a lot of the time is "I don't know what those terms mean."

[@mariussielcken]

No, you delegitimise the terms and use your own more handy terms/framing

[@Tony-jb6sv]

2 Timothy chapter 3 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.But you must continue in the things you have learned and been assured of,and from childhood you have known the holy scriptures, which are able to make you wise for SALVATION through faith which is in CHRIST JESUS

[@samuelneill8628]

Lots of people talking about the translation of Adam here so here are my 2 cents. Adam can be translated as humanity, not just man, so I think Calvin should broaden his understanding as being too literal in the English translations often isn’t helpful. However, Genesis not only says ‘Adam’ but ‘Eve’ too so there is obviously a point of distinction between the masculine of humanity in Adam and the feminine of eve, there is no way to argue against this. There is humanity but also clearly two genders named for a reason regardless of their translation.

[@samuelneill8628]

Not finished the episode yet but it does feel like the words ‘compassion and understanding’ are used a lot to create a sense of being the righteous Christlike thing to do rather than answering a direct question.

[@skierbinky]

“Thou shalt not lie with a man as one does with a woman…” the Bible is pretty clear about there being only male and female in passages outside of the creation story. The translation of “Adam” is simply a distraction away from this. I mean use your two eyes and see the distinctions between men and women and how they interact with each other being integral to procreation (which was Gods commandment to Adam and Eve after kicking them out)

[@AB-mo9ku]

Calvin thank you for your clarity, humility, intelligence, compassion but most of all for being a clear follower of Christ. Robyn you come across as confused, not knowing yourself other than through the lens of your credentials.

[@gretareinarsson7461]

There are as many “silent majorities” around as there are people who claim to speak on their behalf.

[@allieoop2908]

Jesus chose 12 ordinary men, with ordinary understanding to plainly get his message and mission accross. This new culture of 'Academia-eese'. The jargon is clouding obective truth, logic and common sense. Phd's and decades of study, make big words, not true compassion. Thank God for people like Mr Robinson who can respectfully yet plainly put across the word of God, understood by sense and reason, true plain theology.

[@madrsy]

Also it's interesting when Robyn says she and Calvin interpret scriptures differently but she rarely quotes scripture and when she rarely does she does so incorrectly. Praying for her.

[@dianeholden3499]

Robyn in today's terms is woke...and he's bending scripture to fit his narrative...

[@MrSeedi76]

Nope. Radicals, evangelicals and fundamentalists are bending and deliberately misquoting the Bible to find "evidence" that fits their hateful worldview. So far I have never in any of these debates seen a fundamentalist even know what the fundamentals of Christianity actually are. Or admit that the old testament laws for example simply don't apply for the most part to Christians. Paul's letters are pretty clear on that as were the apostles in "Acts". Only the noahide laws apply to Christians. Those include eating kosher BTW. And they speak of porneia which in the one case where Jesus used it, means infidelity in the marriage. It might mean other excessive behavior. But never is the Bible implying for example that there even is such a thing as sexual orientation or that male vs female has any significance when all are "in christ", let alone that there was a "hierarchy of sins" in which, as many people seem to assume, anything that people do in their bedroom, was particularly important. I rarely see Christians in KZbin comments argue about the injustices in the world, the gap between rich and poor, etc. Social justice or anything that was relevant for the teachings of Jesus don't seem to matter anymore.

[@vorynrosethorn903]

Despite the fact that I view many of her beliefs as fundamentally heretical I must commend the lady in this debate for having the decency and bravery to engage in it in the first place, may we pray for her to see the light of God.

[@AnnalyFaith]

I tried so hard to listen to this but the word salad and buzz words Robyn strings together, I’m completely lost 19:17 unfortunately for all the love of lack of labels all I hear is labelling, talking points and nonsense phrases, sorry Robyn, you did not succeed in being intelligible. Calvin on the other hand is clear and understandable as always. God is NOT a good of confusion!

[@Apriluser]

I’m sure that most of the cultures of the world, developed and undeveloped, have different words for male and female that are not based on power dynamics nor are socially constructed. It would be very interesting to talk with an anthropologist and see if there are differences cross culturally.

[@christopherkucia1071]

Not really at all…. I mean currently the west is different but throughout history…. Yes there is examples of gender neutral language…. For GODLIKE beings or items that are not gendered…. Or a spiritual term…

[@sheilaoneil18]

Calvin, The Lord Jesus upset quite a few people didn't he. God bless your wonderful witness. Hope you read this.

[@TheMohawkMonke]

"male (zakar) and female (neqebah) He created them"

[@frankm6546]

"No you see when they said zakar and neqebah they imported the idea of man and woman into the text. It doesn't say what it says it does because we either have to take all of scripture literally or all of it metaphorically and we can't determine which is which based on context..."

[@MrSeedi76]

"And in Jesus Christ there is neither male nor female, neither slave nor master, for all are one."

[@inchristalone25]

@@MrSeedi76 Yes we are one in Christ, we are the body. Doesn't mean we don't have biological differences! It is very clear there are differences between man and woman and different roles for each.

[@blueskye1827]

This conversation was well done, really liked listening to both perspectives.

[@blackoutninja]

I audibly spit with laughter when "Robyn" described himself as "Quite Orthodox in my theology"

[@mikejurney9102]

Have doctors testified before governments as to the safety of homosexual sex acts. For example, see WebMD; it states that anal sex can cause urinary tract infections for both gay and straight couples.

[@mikejurney9102]

@@CH-qc1zt I wonder how long it will be before they remove such information from WebMD and the like. This issue affect 5 times as many straight couples than gay couples.Straight couples need this information. That is reason enough to study it.

[@mikejurney9102]

@@CH-qc1zt Some research has already been done on this issue, or we wouldn't have known as much as we already do. It's just a matter of getting medical professional to testify. This should be easy since it does not affect only the gay community by the straight community as well.

[@elsiesaunders4607]

My Spanish family say Latinx is used exclusively by white, middle class liberals determined to colonise a language and a culture with their own little empire. I really enjoyed this conversation, Calvin is always eloquent and thoughtful and Robyn's perspective was interesting, it's nice to hear a proper conversation with no name-calling or insults. So kudos to Robyn for taking part. I wish you'd get H M Sealey on, her Christian fantasies are fantastically good at stripping religion from Christianity and just focusing on the King (Jesus) But her dystopian books are even better, she has such a good handle of where the whole identarian thing is going and how bad it could be. Just read This Broken Land or the Privileged Few and tell me you don't feel a chill.

[@ninamphotog]

Mine too. We reject that term.

[@johnholden-white2045]

It’s funny how people can’t seem to use a recent Western term like ‘Latinx’ without putting on an accent in order to give it a little more flavour, before immediately dropping it.

[@ogjessep6152]

Why’s the white lady saying she’s a Mexican dude?

[@palomam.4340]

I can’t seriously 😅

[@titosantiago3694]

This was a clear distinguishing between coherent sound Biblical Truth provided by Calvin and the incoherent twisting of Sctipture to "scratch itching ears" by Robyn.

[@fuzzywzhe]

What is "doctor" Robyn Henderson-Espinoza a doctor of?

[@palomam.4340]

Adam is a creature, it’s not the name of the first man ev😮r. I wonder what Eve is then, mhmm😂

[@jon123xyz]

Sophistry

[@jamesmaybury7452]

This ‘conversation’ makes me imagine a talk show host starting a conversation with ‘we have Lucy here today who is a theologian who wants us to consider “did God really say?” We aim to have a helpful discussion on this subject …

[@theyatter]

I love how even Justin's fixed smile looks patience-strained for this one

[@Arabrabj1248]

We aren't black or white. We are all a shade of brown. Some are a lighter brown and some a darker brown. Depends on how much melanin we have. We are just people. One race.

[@malgorzatajakubowska-chaab3613]

Catholic teaching is that sex is for procreation but also for building the relationship and its place is only in marriage. Building relationship is a very important part of it in Catholic teaching.

[@lauragiles5193]

Unity is to be worked for! Amen.

[@kimmykimko]

Not with those who are heretical. Not peace but a sword.

[@jon123xyz]

Truth matters. Unity with false teaching is not desirable.

[@robertdavis3036]

It irks when people flash their degrees. Especially within theological debates. If a time machine existed, I suppose they could jump in it, zoom back to the time of Christ, and rattle off their degrees in theology to Jesus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, etc, and tell them that they understand them better than they understand themselves.

[@RM-rs5ef]

Go on Calvin!

[@jewaunglenn]

Great Job Calvin

[@traceyedson9652]

It seems for Robyn “conversation” is an end in itself. The elephant in the room is if there is such a thing as Christian truth that transcends culture, and how abstract or particular is it. Perhaps for Robyn “conversation” and the restriction of “power” in all forms is the most broad or broad at the meta level of Christian faith, whereas for Calvin it seems to be the written witness of Scripture. Both beg many questions, of course. I’m not sure many of those questions were broached in this conversation. Perhaps in future?

[@theimagebear-9942]

If gender is socially constructed then I as a member of society reject the attempts of reconstructing gender.

[@gaylerobertson7971]

An example of Christianity dealing...or attempting to deal...with wokeism. My son is a Christian and against abortion and for, through the Spirit, attempting to live Biblically. His wife,,who ostensibly was Christian, finally came out as atheist she decided she's wasted her life being a stay at home mom, raising their two girls, whom she came to see as impediments to her doing something "important" - working and making lots of money. She took a job in Washington state and moved on (we live in Southern California). She supposedly wants my son to leave the girls behind and join her in Washington (I'm not sure that's really what she wants. Because he's a Christian, my son won't divorce her for leaving). She has come out in favor of everything that today is considered woke, considered "in", They were having one of their nightly discussions/talks and discussing abortion after 22 weeks. He did get her to agree that abortion is deliberately killing a baby (I go farther...I consider it murder). She sees nothing wrong with it but tends to think after 22 weeks is possibly not OK. She asked my son why they can't "meet halfway"? My son said he thought they were meeting halfway; they both agreed, basically, that abortion after 22 weeks is not OK. He asked his wife what represented "meeting halfway" to her. Her answer: "You coming over to my side". THERE YOU HAVE IT. THAT IS WOKEISM. YOU AGREE WITH US AND COME OVRR TO OUR SIDE, AND YOU DESERVE TO BE OSTRACIZED, CANCELLED, VILLAINIZED, IF YOU DON'T. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK...BUT WE ARE THE "TOLERANT" AND "INCLUSIVE" AND "COMPASSIONATE" ONES.

[@BeautifulDaphanie]

What Bible is This Robyn talking about 🤔🤔🤔

[@albertito77]

God bless you Calvin and I hope you can find a place to do ministry and I hope you can be a trailblazer for forming a British Anglicanism outside the decrepit and tottering institutional C of E along the model of American Anglicans

[@bkcampb]

I live in Raleigh NC . I have spoken to several people from that school, and it allows many heretical teachings and is a major LGBTQ supporter. Basically deny what the Bible teaches or change it’s meaning -like Adam to support their views.

[@lisaramscar]

What I find concerning is the lack of communication from the c of E on, as the Bible points out, humanity being in a spiritual battle and the existence of evil beings; evil is not negative energy, but is as Paul points evil is spiritual beings in high places. So why is it, I am Anglican, that the church of England seems to me to underplay and not spell it this out to the people.

[@suelee637]

As an Anglican myself, I totally agree. But spiritual battle "isn't very nice". And "nice" is what C of E is all about.

[@allisonhendrix6008]

19:25 and we see the question go completely unanswered 🙄

[@519921702]

I hope everyone will listen to Caleb Kaltenbach about how to love LGBTQ+ people and welcome them to churches without turning away from Biblical teaching.

[@andrewtharp4963]

Wonderful talk!

[@retcon1991]

I deeply wish more places would stage good-natured debates like this. Not sure if this is indicative of a weak brain, but I find people hashing issues out is the most helpful way for me to draw my own opinions.

[@traceyedson9652]

Perhaps you’d be surprised by how many civil & deep conversations occur in public fora. I’m think Gospel Simplicity, Jordan Peterson, and Bishop Barron, just for a narrow start.

[@MrSeedi76]

Same here - I listen to these debates a lot. Helps me to become clearer on my own position towards certain issues.

[@brendanbosma2773]

When you root yourself in the word Colossians 2:7. And of course they don’t like Calvin. John 15:18. God bless you Calvin. Keep up His good work.

[@willard73]

I’m sure Robyn will be warmly welcomed by the church and unbelievable audience 😂😂

[@theweeflea]

I'm deeply offended that Robyn uses Latinx and completely ignores her Scotx heritage. What a confused irrational mess....

[@adamgraybill55]

I think Robyn is correct about adamah meaning ‘earth creature’ or maybe more accurately ‘earth thing’, and while Calvin dismissed that argument entirely outright which is incorrect, I don’t think that social construction definitively follows logically from the interpretation as robyn attempts to posit. I wish robyn would have responded to the assertion that these critical pedagogies stemming from liberation theology assert identity as a primary axiom and often require you to put the self before God, Calvin I believe correctly points out that this is self idolatry.

[@piretkivi3218]

There are currently three types of Christianity: 1. Hardcore rules and hardcore communication. "Do this and don't do that or burn in hell!!!" 2. Hardcore rules and kind communication. "We are all sinners. The rules will not change. We do not yell at people." 3. No rules because "Jesus loves everybody anyway". Number 3 is really weird and looks like some kind of an infiltration. Number 1 is scary and depressing. It also pushes people away from Christianity and Christians. I am an ardent fan of number 2. Tough rules (the ideals must remain!) and kind communication. That's why I find people like Calvin Robinson (but also Bishop Barron) close to my heart.

[@jimcricket1]

Be gentle.

[@stu1002]

Calvin was fantastic. I disagreed with almost everything Robyn said, but, I would have to say, Robyn came over as a very likable and decent person who I'd like to hear in more conversations. I'm not sure I can give a a better compliment than that. 50% of the problems we have in the world today would be made better by simply having people as diverse in their views as these two individuals treating each other with this level of decency and respect.

[@selamtesfaye9631]

I will be praying for Robin

[@PremierUnbelievable]

See Calvin Robinson along with other speakers at Unbelievable? the Conference on Sat 14 May www.unbelievable.live

[@samruggiero1778]

Why did Robyn keep highlighting the Greek word for Adam? The old testament was written in Hebrew. Was this a red herring? Calvin quoted "made them male and female" so what had the Greek word for Adam to do with anything?

[@Aquines]

All of the terms used like Liberation Theology, LGBT Theology, Latinx Theology all add to Jesus , this is where we take the focus of Jesus and put the focus on ourselves, we have replaced Theology (the knowledge of God) with Theology+++++++ (the knowledge of ourselves) as Os Guinness puts it we are living in a world without windows where the culture redefines our beliefs

[@waynekauffman9779]

Robyn says Christ has called us to be one , but the church cannot and dare not be one with the unbiblical , and heretical position of someone like Robyn . The erosion and rejection of biblical truth in the church today is truly frightening as we see the effects of evil , damnable woke depravities and perversions , defiling and corrupting the body of Christ from within

[@bettymofokeng3404]

Accountability and responsibility is part of everyone's informed, personal choices, No one should be forced to accept or be part of someone's personal choice ' your choice is yours'🙏

[@mariussielcken]

2:56 she means communists

[@Ameydusa1]

Gender wasn’t created to “categorize” people. God was very clear why he created us male and female. It was to compliment one another in both social and biological ways.