Calvinism is Absurd, but Makes Sense if You're a Christian -Rabbi Tovia Singer

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[@genevieverinzler8674]

Amazing video! 18 years ago a friend from work told my husband that as a Jew he was surely going to hell. My husband being such a sweet and gentle man stayed friendly and kind to that Christian man. He also wasn’t offended by that comment. Two years ago my beloved husband (58 years old) passed away of that horrible pancreatic cancer.. That friend was visiting often toward the end of my husband’s life intending to convert him to the blood and the cross … One afternoon, I entered the room to hear my husband saying: “Please, you should go now, I am Jewish and as a Jew I can’t accept a fake god.” Words spoken so softly. The man left immediately… I am forever grateful to my husband for his faithfulness. Whenever I am in need of his presence and support I remember that afternoon and for some reason it gives me immense strength ❤️ Thank you Rabbi 😊stay safe 🇮🇱

[@fransrabie6609]

Wonderful to hear and amen to your husband's response to the christian who adamantly tried to convert him. Blessed are his words. Thank you for sharing. God bless.

[@Mile_12332]

Very inspiring Maam...We Jews are blessed and so was your husband for not coming in the trap of that Christian...May Hashem bless your husband and may his soul rest in peace🥺❤

[@genevieverinzler8674]

From the deep of my heart and soul, thank you dear friend s

[@shirleyannelindberg1692]

genevieverinzler, *Thank you for sharing* *May his Holy Nashamah make an Aliyah, and HaShem comfort the mourners of TZION*

[@andrewmays3988]

Dear lady, trust me, your husband's Christian friend meant no harm...and your father's soul has been returned to the Creator of this universe... where we will all return to one day. So, continue loving God with all your heart, mind, and soul....and please love yourself as you love your fellow man.😇

[@BeanDeg104]

Pray for Israel 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@sissy9393]

STAY SAFE 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱

[@mr.frizzyizz5058]

No

[@Ensinger5784]

As a former Catholic the first time Calvinism was explained to me I thought it was very strange ! Baruch HASHEM I have abandoned All forms of Christianity !

[@1InvisibleSongstress]

AMEN!!! WELCOME TO THE TRUTH!!! May Hashem bless, guide & protect you to continue on your path of righteousness!!!

[@Ensinger5784]

@@Mk-xw1yj I try to keep it brief; I actually Also attended Several Non-Catholic Christian denomination churches due to where I lived. I learned the different approaches attended many Bible studies owned and read the different Christian Bible versions; KJV, NAS, etc etc. Interestingly, it was the non-stop criticism of Catholicism that is so constant in all these Christian churches that lead me to study Church History and Helped me go All the Way Back to The Original Jewish Bible ! Yes God is Love and HE Gave Very Specific Instructions in HIS ORIGINAL TORAH and TANACH and now that I have been studying with several Orthodox Jewish Rabbis ( T. Singer, M. Skobac, J. Mizrachi, Y.Reuven, etc.) for about 10 years I KNOW how misleading and inaccurate Christianity is and it’s not just on their interpretation of the Future Messiah, but the very nature of GOD’s Instructions, Laws, Tenets, Forgiveness for Sin, etc. and what is expected of us humans. I always wondered how the Jews could be wrong about JC but never had an opportunity to ask a Real Rabbi; KZbin is facilitating this Invaluable Information.

[@dixonnass2443]

🤡

[@Ensinger5784]

@@Mk-xw1yj How you can say that i don’t know all forms of Christianity when you do not even know me ? My path to knowing HASHEM is actually not uncommon in many ways and quite unique in other ways. If someday I meet Rabbi Singer he will find some of my story quite interesting ! I am the same age as the Dear Rabbi but bottom line I am Humbled and Eternally Grateful to Rabbi Tovia Singer, Rabbi Alon Anava, Rabbi Michael Skobac, Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi Rabbi Yaron Reuven and a few other Orthodox Jewish Rabbis who have taught me the Truth of HASHEM and HIS Torahs ! Shalom !

[@bigtomboye]

@@Mk-xw1yj you're not half as smart or well-read as Rabbi Singer

[@yochananzahav3758]

I pray that HaShem protects you, your family, and all Am Yisrael as Iran attacks Israel right now. I pray that HaShem brings Am Yisrael to deeper levels of teshuva and to cling to Him like never before. You are always in my prayers Rav Singer and at this moment I pray that HaShem keeps all of His precious Holy ones protected so that they may continue to do His Holy work on earth. Am Yisrael Chai!

[@ToviaSinger1]

Thank you! Shalom~

[@WMedl]

Does God need your prayer to know what is adequate?

[@steveclark8538]

Why do you need Jesus? You don’t! TY Tovia

[@LoreneRaeWard]

Todah Rabah Tovia Singer! I ❤ listening and learning from you!

[@concepcionamante8090]

Thank you so much Rabbi Singer! 16 years ago, my husband and I did not attend all church activities after we learned that the God of Yisrael is a true God. We just stayed at home and Hashem is our Elohim there is no other. We also understand that Yisrael is His chosen servant. From Davao, Philippines. Shalom!

[@ExploreTanakh84]

That is cool 😊

[@paulawallace8784]

GD Bless and Protect His Chosen Priestly People and the Land of the Living, may those brutally abducted be soon welcomed home.

[@janishart5128]

I totally agree - well said, Paula - THANK YOU!!!

[@paulawallace8784]

@@janishart5128Hi Janis, what times we live in, Gd Bless you and yours! : )

[@paulawallace8784]

@@Diana-xm1dm : )

[@janishart5128]

@@paulawallace8784: Yes, exactly, Paula! This is definitely NOT the world you and I grew up in! Thanks for the blessing (much needed, always!) - blessings to you and your family as well!!

[@paulawallace8784]

@janishart5128 It sure isn't, thank you Janis. : )

[@raffilevy2029]

My favorite video so far. Their religion just sounds more and more insane the more you question it with basic logic.

[@susanlett9632]

To be fair all Christians are insane! And I it was one for almost 30 years.. But Calvinists are off the chart!!! Yikes

[@terryulmer969]

They aren't insane. They just lack common sense!

[@stephaniefogelvik4756]

​@terryulmer969 You kind of have to have a certain degree of insanity to accept Christianity and believe it. Speaking as a former Christian, still trying to recover from that insanity... Thank God I got out.

[@janishart5128]

​@@stephaniefogelvik4756: Yes, I agree, and I'm glad to know that you've escaped the insanity of Christianity! I was an Evangelical for 40+ years, until I listened to the Rabbis teach what God ACTUALLY said to us at Mt. Sinai - from then on, Christianity made NO sense and Judaism made all the sense in the world! May Hashem continue to bless and guide you in His Truth! I wonder what happened to *terryulmer969's* comment?!

[@janishart5128]

I agree, Susan! May Hashem continue to bless you and give you strength to withstand these evil times!

[@terryulmer969]

@stephaniefogelvik4756 We weren't insane. The One True Creator G_d had warned us about Christianity long before Christianity invaded this land. We were forced to be Christians.

[@Gotthold1922]

Praying for you Jerusalem and Rabbi Tovia. ❤ from North Carolina.

[@rsrusli]

Greetings from Indonesia.

[@Mile_12332]

Soon the world will be in monotheism ✡ again as its was in the time of our Great Prophet Moses ❤❤❤....May God guide all Christians to Judaism❤❤...May God end this idolatry ✝️.... I really appreciate your work Rabbi....Thank u for showing Judaism to Christians and other polytheistic people...❤❤❤

[@JessicaSinger-xt1lk]

Amen!!

[@Tommy321]

Christianity is not polytheistic nor monotheistic. Christianity is henotheistic.

[@janishart5128]

@@Tommy321: Yes, that sounds right, since Christianity also sees Satan as more powerful than God, and they preach that Satan has plans to overthrow Him and take His throne for himself

[@janishart5128]

@@Diana-xm1dm: You need to realize, research, and accept, that NOWHERE did God ever say anything close to that!! In fact, NOWHERE did He ever so much as mention the "Jesus" character to us, and NO FURTHER SCRIPTURES were given to mankind by God AFTER Mt. Sinai, therefore, "Christianity" absolutely did NOT come from God! PLEASE learn from the Orthodox Rabbis, as commanded by God in Deut. 17:8-11. In the absence of the Temple, the Rabbis are our spiritual teachers, since they (and ONLY THEY!!) have been studying the original Hebrew scriptures all the way back to Mt. Sinai - something Christianity REFUSED to do, leaving them in profound darkness as to what God ACTUALLY said to us there. PLEASE buy a Hebrew Bible (says "Stone Edition TANACH" on the cover) and Rabbi Singer's books, as well as Rabbi Stuart Federow's book: "Judaism and Christianity: A Contrast", to help y9u understand why Christianity did NOT come from God.

[@timojazz6829]

Not gonna happen!

[@mildredmartinez8843]

My question is. How can you justify a loving and just God who, eons before you were ever born decided that you were going to hell for eternity. And. Do people today still believe that nonsense? How do they justify it? Total depravity? I can't square that circle. I believe the Rabbi said if this were true, than the sacrifice of Jesus is unnecessary. Well if we are going to analyze this reasonably, the Rabbi is right. It's absurd.

[@janishart5128]

God DIDN'T decide that! That is a LIE invented by Christianity to frighten people into conversion! Listen to more of Rabbi Singer's and Rabbi Michael Skobac's videos. You're right - the Rabbi DOES make a lot of sense!! 😊

[@casualgamer4767]

May the great of Hashem bless you greatly Rabbi 🙏 🕎

[@lennomenno]

Watergate doesn’t hold a candle to today’s political scandals that occur with impunity.

[@gullettr1]

I never could agree with Calvinism when I was a Christian. It makes no sense.

[@4evamobbin534]

Only because you dont understand it. You heard a couple things, made some assumptions, then demonized it.

[@bigtomboye]

@@4evamobbin534 no Calvinism is just silly -- and untrue

[@alantriplett304]

@@bigtomboye And the Jews celebrating Passover makes sense, when they deny the blood atonement of Christ on the cross, the Son of God. Calvinism is the only teaching that is biblical.

[@mariareyneke9953]

❤ This is absolutely the most amazing answer I cannot stop listening to Rabbi Tovia the explanations is so clear. The truth will always brings Hashem as One G_d to show you how if you choose reformed theology you are choosing the wrong. Dont have dinner with Paul.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

A person should not entertain the idea held by many fools, and what is claimed by some doctrines, that at the time of a person's conception or birth, the Holy One, blessed be He, decrees whether he will be righteous or a sinner. This is untrue. Each person is able to be righteous or bad. Similarly, he may be wise or foolish, merciful or cruel, miserly or generous, or he may acquire any other character traits. There is no one who compels him, sentences him, or leads him towards either of any two extremes. Rather, he tends to the character traits he chooses, based on his own initiative and decision. (Seven Gates of Righteous Knowledge by Rabbi Weiner and Dr. Schulman, p 159)

[@janishart5128]

Well said, Hrvatski! There is no such thing as 'pre-destination', as is falsely preached by Christianity - otherwise, if there were, we'd have no free will!!

[@mitchymasar9549]

I am worried about the Rabbi in Jerusalem as Israel is under attack.

[@MitzvosGolem1]

Calvin also had people burned alive including children. He had the medical doctor who discovered oxygen respiratory system burned alive for rejecting trinity.

[@janishart5128]

Sounds like Calvin was one EVIL MONSTER!!!

[@nicolegallagher4319]

That was Miguel Servetus who was in fact burned alive at the stake ( Geneva in 1553 ) based on the accusation by John Calvin and other Reformation leaders for denying the Trinity. There's a college here in Grand Rapids named after this murderer.

[@AdaraBalabusta]

@@Diana-xm1dmRepent and obey the Noahide laws. ✡️❤️

[@janishart5128]

@@Diana-xm1dm: HUH??!! I never said you were a "Calvinist" - in fact, I never spoke to you at all! Btw, I don't care abut the "Jesus" character - I've been that route for 40+ years, until I finally learned God's Truth from the Orthodox Rabbis, as commanded by God in Deut. 17:8-11. In the absence of the Temple, the Rabbis are our spiritual teachers, since they (and ONLY THEY!!) have been studying the original Hebrew scriptures all the way back to Mt. Sinai - something Christianity REFUSED to do, leaving them in profound ignorance as to what God ACTUALLY said to us there. May God bless you as well!

[@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459]

@@janishart5128yeah, John Calvin was one of the greater demons

[@CrystilBluebird-nl7wj]

Rabbi Tovia Singer is a modern day Nachmanidies, the Rabbi depicted in the movie the "Disputation", where he debunks many false beliefs in Christianity!

[@Howdoyoupurr]

How the heck does Calvinism make sense. What a load of crap.

[@Howdoyoupurr]

@@Diana-xm1dm revelation 14:10-11 um no

[@jamesluecke-b5x]

Rabbi, never stop. God is with you. We need you.

[@redleaf4902]

Hi Rabbi Tovia. A wee correction: in Antarctica (south), there are these guys🐧. The PC word for Eskimos is Inuit (no 's'). (like saying 'Frenchmen'; ya don't put an 's' on 'Frenchmen'). And Inuit live in the Arctic (north). Love you, Rabbi Tovia. Stay safe.

[@janishart5128]

Thanks *redleaf4902!!* We've known about the "Inuit" here in Canada for decades, but not sure if that message was forwarded to the US - so Rabbi Singer may not know about it! I was very surprised to hear him use the 'E' word as well! I once heard that the name 'E' word means 'blubber eaters', which is why it's now considered offensive.

[@leedza]

My question to the Rabbi is in his own words, what is the purpose of the Day of Atonement and the sin offering/guilt? If repentance is sufficient then covering of sin through atonement becomes redundant? Or is there something I'm missing. Since there hasn't been a high priest since the second temple nor has there been the offering, does that make that bit of the law irrelevant in God's divine architecture?

[@jameslevitt7313]

Sorry Tovia , you are wrong again , Calvinism is is not orthordox Christianity but a later break away denomination

[@hglundahl]

To the title. No, Calvinism doesn't make sense if you're a Christian. A certain François de Sales, a small lord, under the Dukes of Savoy, told a certain other François de Sales, his son, a teen: _"Calvinism is a new religion, I have seen it born"_ ... The teen held on to this while having anxieties of being among those "predestined for damnation." (Not the actual term for Calvinism, but OK). So, the teen then became a Saint, and the last and possibly greatest Bishop of Geneva, he tried to actually not just visit his city, which was occupied by Calvinists, but even to convert Theodore Beza. Saying Calvinism makes sense if you are a Christian is like saying "Mendelson makes sense if you are a Jew" ... which I'm sure you have the rectitude to reject, whatever your other faults.

[@AdaraBalabusta]

Radical Calvinism leads to absolute anarchy. If one is saved or damned no matter what one does, there exists little reason to behave appropriately. ✡️❤️

[@Noblebird02]

Yeah. I am writing a novel where a bunch of Christian archeaologist from various denominations looking for the OG Aramaic gospel of Matthew/gospel of Hebrews, but instead find a lost manuscript (that ironically lends weight to Talmud Yerushalmi*) I wanted a subplot where the Presbyterian archeaologist saves the Assyrian archeaologists daughter from Islamists... But the Presbyterian church is so awful that I am starting to think that the virtues the Scottish people are purely genetic in origin and their great courage, tenacity and contributions to academia are Inspite of the Presbyterian church. * Many Christians will dismiss the Talmud as fabrication and argue that the gospel is a better portrayal of 1st century Jewish daily life.

[@bryonyvaughn2427]

As someone raised Christian, I was laughing and chewing through this entire episode. There is great joy in freedom from twisted ways of thinking and living.

[@kensey007]

Great video. Thank you.

[@ExploreTanakh84]

Lol i love the part where Tovia said 'its like selling Snowballs to Eskimos' 😂 ... brilliant 👏

[@kristine6996]

What a relief to listen to you both. Thank you. 💟

[@JeremiahBerry-z2n]

9:08 god bless you and your famil

[@thebiblemademeatheist5]

The 1st trouble I had with "original sin" as a Christian was the Noahs Ark story. If original sin starts with Adam and Eve then it would still be in Noah and his family on the Ark. So saving them from the flood would mean God spared 8 people who were full of the same sin as those he wiped out in the flood.. Only way to stop the disease is to cut it off completely. If man was diseased by original sin then God should have wiped out everyone and cooked up a whole new creation. So I found that the idea of original sin contradicts the Tanakh.

[@marybeck7594]

Paul was like a kid in a glass shop . May HaShem protect and guide Israel.

[@estherkessler]

Christianity is not the way of Hashem! It's cruel and broke sooooooo many lives (crusaders, witch hunt, persecution of Jewish people.....) 😢😢😢😢😢😢so sad

[@GilbertGreich]

Todah Rabba!

[@Thelostf61]

Why are people saying they would convert to Judaism in a heartbeat when you don’t know much about Judaism in the first place?

[@mastermiller2944]

Thank you Toby for concluding, like everyone else who isn't a Calvinist, that Calvinism is absurd. The definition of predestination held by the Calvinists was not a belief of the Church for nearly 15 centuries, and only came about when John Calvin introduced this dogma. But, when God passes judgement, it is fixed. Did man stop the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? They did not repent and judgement came to pass. God was judging Nineveh, and sent Jonah in order for them to repent. And they averted destruction with repentance. This is the true character of God.

[@afrules9097]

Luther believed in predestination, but only in single predestination where God chooses who will believe by grace.

[@CarlaConley-j5y]

Your limited view of christian thought via a false teaching from many years ago, and your horrible descriptions and language just proved to me how important in a good way Paul's letters are. Thank you. Blessings, CC

[@matpieterse3287]

Thank you Rabbi. ❤

[@mildredmartinez8843]

I am not a Christian or a believer in any religion. I listen to the rabbi's podcast because he not only has profound knowledge of his faith but of Christianity. His arguments are sound and based on evidence. Not withstanding, I don't profess any religious beliefs vm because they are based on ancient beliefs and documents that for me lack evidence to its veracity. That goes for ALL religious books Nonetheless, my respect and admiration for the rabbi.

[@SPQR748]

There’s nothing new under the sun ⛅️ Not only are they damned from the beginning but they have to keep getting damned because creation is cyclical. If you want to know the past you have to know the future and vice versa.

[@DebbieDillon-pe4ki]

Jesus wanted to be a god to only t o sinners wnot pay attention to Hashems wisdom, and my thank to Rabbi Tovias song was emptied and emtied my comment llking his song.and treasuring my precious GOd Hashem,who has been kind to us and answering our prayers with lovingkindness. I had already written liked Tovia Singers song.

[@DebbieDillon-pe4ki]

Don't empty my adding thoughts. To write.

[@barrygaynor1025]

"Before a word is on my tongue, you YHWH know it completely." -- Psalms of the Hebrews

[@MrRezillo]

Of course every Calvinist who espouses the absurd doctrine of predestination "looks out for number one" and assumes that he or she is going to heaven and those "others" out there are going to hell. Well, if I'm predestined to go to hell, wat's the use of being a Christian? Ditto if I'm predestined to go to heaven, in which case I can sleep in on Sunday and not bother going to church, since I'm going to heaven anyway.

[@karachaffee3343]

Christianity demands a fractured epistemology of compartmentalization. You are not allowed to stand back and ask "does this make any sense?" If one does, it does not make sense. This is why Christianity has such a propensity to fragment into sects and sub sects.

[@andreahoehmann1939]

What about Exodus 4,21?

[@76olimpo]

predestination is a misinterpretation of the mazal

[@pabloaute4355]

Tanakh is full of deterministic verses.

[@grand.geometrician]

When I wash my clothes (do my laundry) there's myself going through that process, and there's the clothes getting cleaned. Two different things. I must go through that process myself.

[@lukekrell5665]

I say this as a Christian... most of the criticisms Rabbi Singer mentions here are legitimate. As he admits, many of these criticisms only apply to certain groups within Christianity. As Rabbi Singer says, the most prominent understanding of the doctrine of Original Sin logically leads to the doctrine of Total Depravity also known as Total Inability. Other doctrines flow from these errors such as the doctrine of Limited Atonement. Rabbi Singer rightly points out that these doctrines contradict what is taught in TANAKH. The free will of an individual to accept life and death as God sets out before them is such an important doctrine to many(including me) in the Christian faith. But I wouldn’t say that the human being is unaffected by the sin of Adam and Eve. I think the impact of a fallen world is very much something you can find throughout TANAKH. I also would not impose these doctrines on Paul or on the book of Romans. As Rabbi Singer points out, Romans is a confusing book with a lot of perspectives and target audiences coming into and out of focus. But the (correct) Christian view is not that belief in the historical Jesus of Nazareth as the Christ is ultimately what makes a person right with God. Romans 2:6-11 ‘God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.’

[@CaesarRenasci]

Your husband was a fortunate man, madam. You fully understood and truly loved him. Thank you for telling us about him; he is an inspiration to us all.

[@hglundahl]

5:56 And in fact _neither_ St Paul _nor_ St Augustine deny we have free will. They will say it is not sufficient without grace, but they will not say it doesn't exist.

[@kashrut18]

Don’t pray for Israel, they are good & right. Pray for the rest of the world, they need it.

[@Ensinger5784]

My understanding is that More Jews Need to Observe Shabbat and Get Closer to HASHEM and then Israel will see Divine Protection ! The irony is that the Christians think they are helping by trying to get the Jewish People to Abandon Judaism in favor of JC !

[@kashrut18]

@@Ensinger5784 Yes, sort of. We should always seek to be in God’s good books, but our relationship with Him is deeper and more profound than just based on our actions. We have an intrinsic bond with the Almighty, this can never be severed, though it can be improved or the reverse. The other monotheistic faiths are for the non-Jewish world, to prepare them for when Moshiach comes (according to Maimonides). They have nothing to do with the Jew and certainly cannot help in his service and devotion to God. When Jews opt out of their heritage it pains God no end. Those responsible incur His wrath, which spills over to the rest of the world.

[@abc_6]

Pray for worldwide peace 🌍

[@AJ21969]

Amen We Were ALL Born To Believe In Yeshua

[@kavitadeva]

NO RABBI IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO CHRISTIANS. I AM A FOLLOWER OF JESUS. PREDESTINATION IS ABSURD LIKE YOU SAY. So is the TRINITY. But when I share my own understanding, Christians immediately try to FIX ME. I need help Rabbi

[@tippiebear6532]

Jesus is GOD

[@kavitadeva]

@@tippiebear6532 oh I get it now, because you said it, it HAS TO BE TRUE. What is wrong with you.

[@tippiebear6532]

@@kavitadeva Rebut my statement

[@tshou520]

@@tippiebear6532 Our G-d cannot die, for He *_is_* life and the Source of it. Yours did. Our G-d neither slumbers, nor sleeps - Psalm 121. Yours does - Mat. 8.

[@louishaywood4999]

@@tippiebear6532 Can you please explain the following verses for me? Isaiah 45: 4For the sake of Jacob My servant, And Israel Mine elect, I have called thee by thy name, I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known Me. 5I am the LORD, and there is none else, Beside Me there is no God; I have girded thee, though thou hast not known Me; 6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, That there is none beside Me; I am the LORD; and there is none else; What does none else and none besides me mean?

[@grahamneville9002]

Gen 15.6 KJV And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. ABRAHAM was righteous through faith, despite God not declaring him a physical Jew yet (Abram was his name).

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

Abraham kept the 7 Noahide laws.

[@SilviaSumberaz1]

Thanks, bless you!

[@bungeebones]

So, as a Christian, all my sins are forgiven EXCEPT those committed by others? I have to die and work by the sweat of my brow because of Adam and Eve. I only get to live 70 +- years because God wanted to shorten the lifespan because of sin. And I only understand my native language (and none of the thousand others) because of the sin dealt with at the Tower of Babel. That sounds a wee bit backwards? I would expect first to be forgiven of sins of previous generations which I had no choice in them committing. And then deal with my own.

[@mildredmartinez8843]

​@SC-kb6xc I left Christianity and ALL religions. It was a process that started with catechism when I was a girl. Little by little the contradictions kept showing up. Until I was at the university that laid the final cut with evolution.

[@mildredmartinez8843]

​@Adam-zn9yhit has been more than 40 years since I left Christianity. Don't see any reason to go back. On the contrary, nothing that the apologists say is convincing. I, like Alex O'Connor, have prayed and asked. But have received nothing. If God wants to have a relationship with me, then he must present himself to me. A relationship is a two way street.

[@savannalane838]

Calvinism is whack

[@truthtransistorradio6716]

As a Christian, I agree.

[@Sikyu-ye4ns]

islam has the same point

[@grahamneville9002]

Yes, mankind is absolutely corrupt :- Job 15.14-16 KJV 14 What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous? 15 Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight. 16 How much more abominable and filthy is man, which drinketh iniquity like water?

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

Genesis 6:9: "These are the generations of Noah, Noah was a righteous man he was perfect in his generations; Noah walked with God."

[@grahamneville9002]

@@hrvatskinoahid1048 - Job 1.1 KJV 1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. Job 40.4 KJV 4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. How can Job be both 'perfect' and 'upright,' yet declare himself 'vile' ?

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

@@grahamneville9002 Anything is possible with a non-Jewish mistranslation.

[@AJ21969]

Is Hashem the Elohim of the Jew only? Is He not also of the Nations?

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

Hashem gave 613 commandments for Jews and the 7 for Gentiles.

[@susanmullins7713]

Says things in Romans he says no where else....very intriguing🤔🤔

[@JessicaSinger-xt1lk]

May God guide all Christians across the world to Judaism...✡❤✡❤

[@terryulmer969]

Amen!

[@johnpetry5321]

Y que?​@NathanielJ.Franco

[@tippiebear6532]

Without Jesus we're all doomed.

[@stephaniefogelvik4756]

​@@tippiebear6532Nope.

[@pedroamaralcouto]

May Alfred guide everyone to empathy. 👉🫂

[@anassbellachehab9821]

Calvinism is the cast system through the back door. A hindu would probably tell you he's been a calvinist his entire life. In order to make monotheism palatable to Indo-European people some churches pretty much abandoned said monotheism. Its wrong and a betrayal of their mission. Since Constantine this has been happening.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

All Gentiles have to keep the 7 Noahide laws.

[@anassbellachehab9821]

@@hrvatskinoahid1048 well the one about Idolatry is very hard to get into people's conception it was never properly taught. But today things are changing with technology.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

@@anassbellachehab9821 The main and best book on details of Noahide observance is "The Divine Code" by Rabbi Moshe Weiner.

[@kennethbuckwalter3521]

I would guess Corinthians as well?

[@Georgeth-kb6rg]

I am glad to live in one of the best countries in the whole world to live in ... the calvinist country Holland.

[@jonathan3325]

TTYL⚖️

[@cyndiduke6626]

Both sides of the river are polluted.

[@patrickwoolery1283]

Do Christians believe they can live however and then pay for their transgressions with the blood of Jesus? As if the only one who has to obey God is the Jew named Jesus?

[@Mile_12332]

😂😂😂

[@AJ21969]

GOD OUR Heavenly Father's Always Intended to bring in the nations. GENESIS 3:15 GENESIS 12 GENESIS 50:19. PREDESTINATION IS In Tanak. To Conform Us Into The Image of Gods Son Yeshua Jesus

[@hglundahl]

4:02 Actually, as you put it, you are appealing to a very post-Temple version of Judaism. In Second Temple Judaism, there were sacrifices. For the sins of the priests, but also for the sins of Israel. When St. Paul writes, he's not competing with "turn to God in your own conscience" he is competing with the Temple. When it was finally destroyed, St. Paul had already been martyred. It was Judaism that had to reinvent itself as there was no more any Temple (except Jesus, whom they were rejecting).

[@hglundahl]

7:34 OK, that was a very watered down version of total depravity. Is it contradicted by the OT? In Deuteronomy 30, God has taken the initiative. In the conversion of Nineveh, again, God has taken the initiative. Israelites and Ninevites only respond.

[@hglundahl]

7:08 Total Depravity for all inheriting Adam's sin is _also_ not in the New Testament. It's a common feature of Calvinists and Arminians, but it is rejected by the Catholic Church. So, your "if" is a very big if.

[@hglundahl]

1:19 Here are the exact words of St. Paul, according to the translators Jerome for Greek to Latin and Douay Rheims for Greek or Jerome's Latin to English, it's in Romans 8: *28 And we know that to them that love God, all things work together unto good, to such as, according to his purpose, are called to be saints. 29 For whom he foreknew, he also predestinated to be made conformable to the image of his Son; that he might be the firstborn amongst many brethren. 30 And whom he predestinated, them he also called. And whom he called, them he also justified. And whom he justified, them he also glorified.* St. Paul describes the whole process, from God's perspective. Nothing here denies men have a choice, nothing here says anyone is predestined for the opposite. It just goes over all of the process in God's plan, and our freedom is part of God's plan. Would you agree? Would you agree that: a) we are free b) God has a plan and our free choices will not change it? Because if so, you cannot find either fault or Calvinism in these words by St. Paul.

[@villiestephanov984]

" See with what large letters I have written The Epistle to HEBREWS to you with my own hand!" (( I know it's Galatians 6:11, but let me know if you need proof besides 2 Corinthians 12:1:)

[@hglundahl]

3:04 I thought a Catholic could have first called Calvinists that, but as Calvinists were called Luteranos by the Spanish Inquisition, it's possible you are right some actual Lutheran named them.

[@halporter9]

Calvinism is absurd from any perspective in my opinion. I can argue the point, though it is an example of Aristotelian logic pushed to the absurd, and as an aside I believe the Torah rejects this logic 2,000 years before Calvinism. Or Augustinism, if you will. It never seemed complicated to me. Strict predestinarianism seems to make puppets out each person. How does predetermined behavior take on any moral content. Thus Calvinism empties the content out of the Christian message, or Traditions of moral behavior in Judaism as I understand it. Your more complex, historical argument, including salvation by faith, are well taken. But then I am an atheist, and even as a child attended a Methodist (non-Calvinist) Sunday school in a small town in the mountain South. It’s one reason that the Methodists and Baptists are involved in such bitter rivals. I am not exaggerating. We won’t even look at Mary, the mother of God. (Turning this Jewish mother of at least 7 children, Born into a passionately political Jewish family into…. What? A sort of divine being.

[@louisnemzer6801]

TL;DR "This god is a psychopath" in Calvinism

[@Dividing_Line]

Deuteronomy 7:6-11 Calvinism, or just chosen theology, is almost like saying… I, in my human pride, can CHOOSE God. God says, nope, worm. God chose us, the Jews, by lineage, for whatever reason. He chose Jacob over Esau. God makes choices, yet He, in a mystery, He likes to wrestle.

[@Dividing_Line]

@Adam-zn9yh Sorry, I’m not sure I understand your statement. Esau did sell his birthright. Esau would have served Jacob regardless of Jacob and his mother’s schemes. Esau’s heart though was revealed in these actions though. Esau can still have salvation, if he rests from his works for salvation and trusts in the Messiah Jesus.

[@Dividing_Line]

@Adam-zn9yh If you have believed in Jesus as who he said he is, no one can take your salvation. God knows how to discipline His children so that none can snatch them out of His hand. Not sure why Mary is in this discussion. Mary needed to bow to Jesus and realise she is a vile, corrupt from the heart sinner before God.

[@Dividing_Line]

@Adam-zn9yh Yes, however, she was a sinner like everyone else for Ecclesiastes 7:20 says, “Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.” Are you saying Mary was god?

[@Dividing_Line]

@Adam-zn9yh Be careful you are not worship man instead of God, my friend.

[@Dividing_Line]

@Adam-zn9yh Very good, trust only that. God creates the repenting.

[@Jason-Jason]

So they figured out how to sell snowballs to Eskimos...

[@ZenatiOmar]

But they sill saying Jesus loves you but he wil send you to Hell😂

[@rogervincent2092]

I am a Calvinist, but I would never argue Calvinism with a Jew because Jews have a work righteousness system. Keeping the law.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

All Gentiles are obligated to keep the 7 Noahide laws.

[@rogervincent2092]

@hrvatskinoahid1048 I agree believers keep the law, but it is not of our carnal strength but Christ who strengthens us. Christ abides in us and does an ongoing work of salvation through us.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

@@rogervincent2092 Nah. Serving a person is idolatry.

[@rogervincent2092]

@hrvatskinoahid1048 No one is service a person????? Calvinism is a system of theology in interpreting scripture.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

@@rogervincent2092 Jesus is a person. The main prohibition against idol worship is not to serve one of the creations, be it an angel, a spiritual power, a constellation, a star or a planet, one of the fundamentals of the physical creation, a person, an animal, a tree, or any other created thing.

[@oguun_garvey6531]

How is Limited Atonement any more grotesque than God knowing, not only that the Canaanites would reject him and do great sin; but also fill up a quota of sin, if you will, before he gave the greenlight to the Jews to wipe them out? Is that not essentially the same thing. He knew every adult and baby that would sin and be victim. Knew what they'd do and go through. He knew it would happen and afterwards He'd send in His chosen peoples.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

Free will is granted to all people. If one desires to turn to the path of good and be righteous, the choice is his. Should he desire to turn to the path of iniquity, the choice is his.

[@User-x5s3x]

No such thing as 'predestination', as preached by "Christianity". As Hrvatskinoahid already said, God gave each one of us FREE WILL - the choice between good (obeying God's words) and evil (disobeying His words), because He forces Himself on nobody! We can either listen to the words that Satan uses to tempt us with or not, but it's always OUR choice. Satan can only make suggestions to us, but he can't MAKE us do anything, as is falsely preached by Christianity.

[@stephenbailey9969]

The two key aspects of the Calvinist scholastic system are the sovereignty of God and His faithfulness to his covenants. This is why support for Israel is most strong among those who hold to Calvinist denominational allegiances.

[@AdaraBalabusta]

Your sources?

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@AdaraBalabusta The easiest source is Wikipedia. Among Calvinists in the US are two main schools of looking at salvation history: covenant theology and dispensationalism. Look them up. Dispensationalists are the most pro-Israel. Calvin wasn't a dispensationalist. But many Calvinists are. That dispensationalist influence has spread to many non-Calvinist denominations.

[@horationelson5255]

Lol

[@russrussel3947]

I'm praying for all of "my" people in Israel. I love you all!

[@tshou520]

Karl Marx was a Jew. Should I listen to him?

[@saul2491]

Shabbatei tzvi was also a jew. It isn't relevant to us whether jesus was a jew or not. We aren't interested in him even if he did exist and was a jew

[@russrussel3947]

@@saul2491 My only agenda is to reclaim the narrative. If TITTLE means the LAW, why not use that to bolster the Jewish Bible? It sickens me watching all of the LIES I was indoctrinated with! (The first Seder I went to was at a Lutheran church, as my Jewish Family was Secular and Reform.) Today, X-tians are carrying around a Counterfeit copy of the Jewish Bible as a CONQUERER TROPHY. Let us RECLAIM "A TITTLE". Some tour guides in Israel, like Oren, say that jesus had a "good message". Yes, he said "don't get rid of one TITTLE". Pastors ( Fake Rabbis) SKIP over that! A Passover Seder isn't "a Jewish Easter" like I learned in the Lutheran church!

[@AlexanderLayko]

If G-d made you and knows every single thing about your future and everything in the realm of physics is antecedent and causal. How are your actions "your" "fault"? 🤔

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

Just as God established the nature of all the creations in the universe to be what He desired for them - for example, that in this world fire rises upward and water descends downward, and that the celestial bodies revolve in orbits - so too, He desired and established that people have free choice and responsibility for their good and bad deeds, without being forced, and whatever possible thing a person desires, he can choose to do.

[@User-x5s3x]

You're looking at things through the twisted lens of Christianity, that did NOT come from God, and that blasphemously preaches AGAINST what He said to us at Mt. Sinai. What God "knows" or 'doesn't know', is totally irrelevant, and is NONE of OUR business! He gave us His ETERNAL words at Mt. Sinai (His instructions for how He expects us to live in the world He created for us). It is our task, while we live on the Earth, to seek out His words and live by them. This has ZERO to do with what God knows or doesn't know!

[@veteran2x]

❤

[@pastordavidberman2091]

For the record a minority of Christian’s are Calvinists

[@paulmitchell2916]

I'd even say a minority in Reform denominations are _really_ Calvinist. (I'm R.C.). But as to Rabbi's point about God forgiving Nineveh on their repentance.. how to answer? I'd say yes, God always has and always will forgive the repentant of any faith of their particular sins, , but to be regenerated and have the soul cleansed and eventually enter the Kingdom requires the priestly ministry of the perfectly obedient Jesus.

[@avalerie4467]

The majority of Protestants in Europe are Calvin.

[@saul2491]

​@@paulmitchell2916no logic from you. Just declaring people need jesus when there is nothing like that in tanach. We don't need jesus for anything. No one does

[@janishart5128]

@@saul2491: Well said, Saul - THANK YOU!!!

[@paulmitchell2916]

@@saul2491 and atheists say we don't need God or the Bible.. Most people follow the faith of their parents or community and logic has nothing to do with it.. guess we'll find out when we die, or, as my atheists friends say, we won't.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

"This god is a psychopath!" Bingo!

[@douglasfritts8056]

I am a Christian, and you are right in believing that Calvinism is absurd. You need to do more homework because much of Christendom believes that Calvinism is absurd.

[@Matthew_Scan]

Calvinism is one rung above Mormonism

[@janishart5128]

I hate to tell you, but NO form of Christianity came from God! You need to realize, research, and accept, that NOWHERE did God ever so much as mention the "Jesus" character to us, and NO FURTHER SCRIPTURES were given to mankind by God AFTER Mt. Sinai, therefore, "Christianity" absolutely did NOT come from God! PLEASE learn from the Orthodox Rabbis, as commanded by God in Deut. 17:8-11. In the absence of the Temple, the Rabbis are our spiritual teachers, since they (and ONLY THEY!!) have been studying the original Hebrew scriptures all the way back to Mt. Sinai - something Christianity REFUSED to do, leaving them in profound darkness as to what God ACTUALLY said to us there. PLEASE buy a Hebrew Bible (says "Stone Edition TANACH" on the cover) and Rabbi Singer's books, as well as Rabbi Stuart Federow's book: "Judaism and Christianity: A Contrast", to help y9u understand why Christianity did NOT come from God.

[@TheMessiah666]

I have a question… Would God hurt people for amusement or to test their faith or something? Or maybe he would get an Angel to smite you like job? I’m curious because I have a wound with muscle exposed that will sometimes get really bad and then suddenly it heals the muscle while I’m sleeping and there is no trace of the damage Does that make sense? I feel like someone is smiting me and then God heals and undoes damage

[@Yosaif-Israel]

Maybe you should take a deep look at your life and contemplate

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

A pious person who serves the Blessed and Exalted God will know that part of one's service is withstanding tests.

[@TheMessiah666]

@@hrvatskinoahid1048If you’re trying to be good will he test you to see what you’ll do if you think he’s evil?

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

@@TheMessiah666 Each person has different tests than the next, but certainly, every person does have his own challenges and tests.

[@janishart5128]

Muscles need rest to heal. Maybe you should think about a follow-up appointment with your doctor.......

[@ChrisMusante]

😂