Calvinism Vs Orthodox Theology (part 2)

[@CUZZZZZZZskalzzz]

Reformed Zoomer is very intelligent and open, I do hope he finds his way towards Orthodoxy/away from Reformed theology/Calvinism.

[@alexmoreau2581]

It took years for Jay Dyer. I hope it goes the same way for him.

[@TheThomas010519]

Would it matter as long as he makes it to heaven?

[@ricky01_]

@@TheThomas010519 there is no certainty he'll make it to heaven if he's outside the Church. Especially since he has a big platform and teaches heterodoxy

[@TheThomas010519]

That's everyone's delusion I guess? You actually have it right and they need to get on the correct path.... says every believer to the other @@ricky01_

[@dakotaa7535]

@TheThomas010519 If someone believed in the truth of Orthodoxy; then why would they want someone else to just settle for, supposedly, 'just getting to heaven' and not bothering to enter into the Church in it's fullness? If they truly cared about that person; don't you think they would, if nothing else, hope that person can have as close of a relationship with God as possible, to worship God in a way that is actually pleasing to Him, and to experience the mysteries of the Church in it's fullness? The Protestant notion of just "agreeing to disagree" with those of other denominations because "well, they're already saved" surely isn't pleasing to a God who is the author of Truth; Satan is the author of lies. To allow someone to live in heresy and lies when you, in your conscience, can see that it is a lie is not loving that person.

[@ByzatineSamurai]

Babe wake up OrthodoxKyle Posted ☦️☝️

[@200daystogetshredded]

dont only call your babe!! call the whole brethren!! 🔥

[@ByzatineSamurai]

​@@200daystogetshredded yesss sirrr

[@theangryslav9115]

Reformed Zoomer is inteligent, he has a potential to learn and become a good apologist as time goes. Hope he becomes Orthodox though.

[@Namato360]

​@user-ux6ot7dr7l Please stop yapping bro ☠️

[@IK-qu1hz]

​@user-ux6ot7dr7l thats very judgemental. I pray for Christ to heal your heart.

[@Namato360]

@SanatanaDharma-nm2eb What do you mean no "true religion" ?

[@Orthosaur7532]

@user-ux6ot7dr7l I don't think he sees himself as "edgy" for being a Calvinist, Christians know that this is not the goal.

[@living_orthodox]

Well done Kyle! This is an important response to Calvinism. There’s so much confusion in their theology and ecclesiology. May God help Zoomer to see the Truth.

[@GrammarPoliceBot]

It was great to hear Dyer summarize points that you otherwise have to watch 2 hour videos on

[@Kauahdhdhd]

I didn’t think there was more. God bless you Kyle

[@ricky01_]

full thing is on Jay's channel

[@spudders9034]

Been seeing more and more orthodox content after praying that i may see it as the true church and i plan to attend my first service soon

[@KingTonyBatts]

God Bless brother ☦️💪🏻

[@andreichira7518]

Glory to God. Spend as much time as you can in the services. They are truly a blessing.

[@prestonjobe]

When I became an inquirer last summer, I was (rightfully) encouraged to stay away from internet Orthodoxy. Jay was mentioned as one of the figures that I should be very careful about. For that reason, I never really got into his content. I’ve been a catechumen for a few months now. I still mostly stay away from participation in internet Orthodoxy- these 2 videos are actually the first of Jay’s that I’ve watched. I really respect how this ‘debate’ went on his end. He was firm, but not a douche. Unbelievably insightful too. I’ve been studying and kind of internally felt like I knew the basic understanding of Orthodox Trinitarian theology, but never heard it explained so concisely as he did here. Amazing job. I learned a ton, and I was able to establish my own opinion of Jay from it

[@36gamers]

The only issue I have with Jay is that I don't often think it's very fruitful to get into conspiracy theory type content. Not that any of his views or even wrong or anything I just have never found it fruitful in my life or others' lives to get swept up into these things. One thing I appreciate about Orthodoxy is how separated from the world it is. It is truly in the world but not of it. No human is perfect and all have value. I think Jay has a lot of value when speaking strictly on Orthodoxy. What I would beware of is that I personally think he does struggle with being worldly in some of his focuses.

[@prestonjobe]

@@36gamers the more I’ve watched his stuff, the more I’ve gotten annoyed with his need to be divisive or derogatory. Knowledge wise, he’s obviously extremely intelligent, but it’s entirely off putting to watch most of his videos anymore. I don’t think he’s leading anyone to Christ by being so argumentative. So I I take the facts of his videos and try to leave the argumentative nature behind when I can

[@36gamers]

@@prestonjobe true. i havent watched a lot of his content, but i can tell by his video titles alone that i should take his attitude with some salt.

[@neeshuiAngel]

I greatly appreciate both redeemed zoomer and jay being very respectful to each other. more conversations need to happen like this! bring the faithful closer together in a time where the world is ripping us apart.

[@soundtrack7004]

Oh man 💀who is gonna tell em

[@ProdDC-tg7rl]

Nothing but respect and love for redeemed zoomer. Lord have mercy on me a sinner ☦️

[@ricky01_]

The timing of this was truly perfect

[@coltsavage4490]

RZ Is a very talented person and a hard worker. But I wish he would understand the contradictions within Calvinism. Calvin's hatred of the material world It's like that of the gnostics

[@bjsb6514]

That’s laughably false. There is no hatred of the physicality or dualistic thinking in Calvinism.

[@Jupiter__001_]

I would argue that Calvinism is much closer to Historical Materialism than Gnosticism (not in the sense that it rejects the existence of spirit, but in the sense of Predestination and how material circumstance created by God "controls" the will).

[@bjsb6514]

@@Jupiter__001_ I could agree with that more.

[@Hallowed_Knight]

Love how redeemed Zoomer completely dodged this question 14:12

[@RandomKior]

I don’t get how he dodged the question

[@icxcnika7722]

He (RZ) has been on an anti-Orthodox tirade on his Instagram) after getting his backside handed to him on a silver platter by Dyer he has been coping by attacking Orthodoxy in order to deal with what he "hasn't thought through"

[@bjsb6514]

@@icxcnika7722what has he been posting? I don’t have Twitter or Instagram or whatever it was he was posting on so I’m just curious lol.

[@ngriffin277]

@user-ux6ot7dr7lno need for name calling my friend he simply said he didn’t understand how he dodged it no need to call him a liar

[@capella95]

@@icxcnika7722if you were being recorded for hours by a pretty smart guy questioning you, you would miss a question too.

[@ofauvi2089]

I think redeemed zoomer is going through a reconsideration of his worldview right. He even admitted on twitter that he’s been doubting Protestantism. But because he’s gotten so far from Calvinism, and because he built a massive channel centering around Protestantism, he doesn’t want to convert, even though he probably believes Orthodoxy was true after all. I guess in his mind converting to orthodox would mean the end of his channel (which isn’t necessarily true). And by the way he’s been acting (especially after his talk with Dyer) I think he’s started to realize the false Calvinist worldview and the truth of Orthodoxy, but doesn’t want it to be true. It’s like if a Muslim built a chalk with 400k subscribers, but realized Christianity is truth. He probably wouldn’t want to lose his channel.

[@George-ur8ow]

Good things take time. My kind and very intelligent, God-fearing Protestant wife went from "there is no chance I will convert" 3 years ago to becoming a very serious and studious Catachumen now. It can be a shock to the system; reconciling what you thought was so very true as now false is not usually instantaneously overcome. Let the better angels of your nature govern. Quite literally the best thing you can do is to pray for him, and to mean it.

[@vitaignis5594]

The craziest exchange I had with a calvinist was when one of them told me that the early Church was calvinistic and then I proceeded to share the writings of the Fathers, without initially revealing the sources. Needless to say, the early Church Fathers writings were labeled pelagian (they don't even know what that term means) and not calvinist.

[@dixiefiend]

Also, Kyle being almost completely silent throughout the conversation was mad funny 😂

[@illbeback3150]

Kyle I found my faith again in the Orthodox church thanks to your videos! Greetings from Bulgaria!

[@hap1678]

As someone who’s Catholic and doesn’t have a bone to pick with either sides, both sides did very well. Zoomer was very humble and Dyer did a good job explaining what he thought.

[@johnnyd2383]

Mixed feelings... heh...? On one side you know Orthodoxy is the true Church on the other Calvinism is RCC offspring...

[@hap1678]

@johnnyd2383 uh no, I left Eastern Orthodoxy for the true church. Your prob a zealous convert, I don’t have any interest in banter with you.

[@johnnyd2383]

@@hap1678 "...many are called, but few are chosen" (Matt 22, 14) ... or... "And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil, but when the sun rose they were scorched." (Matt 13) BTW: Did you schedule your appointment with the Vatican to kiss Pope's shoe.?

[@ScepticValk]

Kyle thank you for making these videos they have helped me alot to get closer to God and the Orthodox church☦️

[@ashleysbored6710]

Not Orthodox, but these debates are pretty thought provoking. Thanks for making it easier to learn about Orthodoxy

[@36gamers]

honestly I can't imagine how difficult it was to be in RZ's position here. I think he showed good character here generally admitting that he was a bit out of his depth on some of this. Even though during a debate with Jay Dyer he comes out looking less educated, I know he is more educated that me and I'd be even more overwhelmed in his position. From my lesser educated position it looks like Dyer came out on top, but I still think it showed great character for RZ to not get bitter about that during the conversation.

[@radamanthus]

‘I’m just a Minecraft KZbinr’… then why are you TEACHING???

[@Godbless0000]

@user-ux6ot7dr7l and yet he is your brother in Christ. Eventhough you may or may not agree on his view/denomination of Christianity he probably done more to spread the Gospel than you have

[@radamanthus]

@@Godbless0000 God bless you.

[@bobbobberson5627]

Probably a big reason he doesn’t convert to Orthodoxy is because he would be told to stop.

[@andreichira7518]

@@Godbless0000 Considering he spreads heretical beliefs, I would say that he hasn't really been spreading the Gospel at all. Anyone can hand someone a Bible. That doesn't bring you Christ.

[@dlingfasin6826]

@@andreichira7518 there are a ton of people including me at least who got back to actual christianity by listening to protestants like david wood or william craig. It can work

[@tbnrcreator.official]

Excellent video as always! May you be blessed. Please make a video on Western Rite Orthodoxy and "Genuine Orthodoxy" and a history of both/debunking. Also, W holy beard. Kyle being a monk with this one

[@Sloth21-d8v]

Kyle I have an important request. I am a young Orthodox Christian with hardcore atheist parents who don’t know about my faith and recently my father has been consuming alot of George Carlin, an incredibly influential atheist commendian who is way worse than Ricky Gervais, and is making me really concerned. I have prayed, and I ask you to please debunk his biggest, most famous arguments, please Kyle, I really need this. God bless you.

[@selliri590]

Matthew 10:33 “But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.” Do not be afraid to proclaim the truth in front of them. Jesus says you have to proclaim him to man before he proclaims you to the father. God bless you

[@KnoxEmDown]

Remember to love/honor your parents and pray for them, especially when it's tough and you'd rather yell at them. Mock the devil and follow Christ by refusing to hate your parents, no matter their unbelief. God bless you!

[@Jeem196]

What are Carlin's "biggest arguments?"

[@billyherrington5112]

​@@Jeem196God bad!!!!!!111

[@dixiefiend]

Easily one of the best discussions I've seen on these topics. Although a little one-sided due to differences in intensity of research and experiences, which is natural for Zoomer to come up short being as young as he is. JD drove the nails in and had a lot of RZ's assertions on the backfoot.

[@RhiannonSenpai]

13:37 If he's trying to argue against important beliefs in Calvinist theology why is Redeemed Zoomer still a Calvinist and doesn't become an Orthodox Christian? Even Jay says at 14:01 that's the logical conclusion.

[@777Justin]

Emotional attachment to Calvinism. His story was that Calvinism pulled him out of leftist nihilism, so he’s got an emotional attachment to it.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@777JustinFair

[@RhiannonSenpai]

@@777Justin Makes sense, still he contradicts himself. There is no such thing as "neo orthodox", he's either a Calvinist or an Orthodox.

[@joojotin]

Because he disagrees with orthodox propably more, simple as that. Maybe he should be denominational.

[@777Justin]

@@joojotin even atheists are atheists for emotional reasons.

[@DarthJarJar6]

Two of my favourite creators. In one video Petition to bring back the beard

[@DohMkay]

To me the problem is that they dont acknowledged the sacrifice. They say Jesus suffered for us and God put his wrath on Jesus instead of us, but they dont understand that wrath doesnt equal to unforgiving. God punished Moses, Aaron, David and others, but then again we know that they repented and gave sacrifices to God for repentance. Jesus was the sacrifice for forgiveness.

[@jesuschristbiblebiblestudy]

Thank you, Kyle. The system of Calvinism keeps a high view of Scripture and grounds its theology based solely on God’s word. Sola Scriptura. The emphasis is on God’s sovereignty - which means that God is able and willing - given His omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence to accomplish, whatever He desires with His creation. In other words, God is the Creator, mankind is His creation. That's it. God bless you.

[@Marc.1776.]

Zoomer LOST so hard

[@JAnastasios]

Because like Jehovah witnesses, protestants have a strong push to preach and teach in the rank and file.

[@dlingfasin6826]

this wasnt supposed to be a debate. RZ repeatedly admits he is just a minecraft youtuber and he doesnt know or understand everything

[@TheGymBroSkii]

It’s more of a discussion than a debate, nothing to lose

[@billyherrington5112]

​@@dlingfasin6826he is minecraft KZbinr when his ass gets whoopen but when he feels strong he is ultimate interpretator of holy scripture and banns people from his discord for slightest things and condemns whole denominations as heretical. Typical zoomer stuff, They are dead serious when feel strong/accepted but when no one is agreeing they are Just pulling jokes/pranks. I am zoomer myself so I know it from first hand experience

[@heyhobo2143]

I’ve been waiting for this, thank you Kyle.

[@bradleyperry1735]

Just because something gives a reason for something else doesn’t mean it’s a GOOD reason. Simply because the filioque provides A distinction between the Son and the Spirit doesn’t mean it provides a TRUE distinction between the Son and the Spirit.

[@rakita1389]

I enjoy watching your videos.

[@heisenberggamingreligion]

this debate is never gonna end 😭

[@TanjiV]

its already over hes just releasing it in parts as he edits it i think

[@lrw6447]

@@TanjiVhe means like there are so many parts it’s unbelievable

[@steelfalconx2000]

Actually Jay was very cordial on this one 😆

[@danperez3970]

What a lot of people forget is that those of us who are not Orthodox, we look at your teachings and trying to understand it more. I for one have always loved God and got baptized at age 29. Unfortunately i grew up as a Jehovahs Witnesses and left at age 25 after seeing through the lies. Didn't realize how they made their own version to match their theology at the time or how they picked and chose only select verses to show their idealogy as correct. Then from age 25-29 i was trying to find a good biblical theology. I am currently more on the protestant side on beliefs but without a denomination, NO I dont read and just not go to church. I am honestly open to changing my views if its scripturally sound and the Church father things checks out. We shall see.

[@Silver_The_Dreadful]

Would you believe my Grandfather a southern baptist preacher taught me all this. Orthodoxy is gigachad for realz.

[@Thejudge4545]

It isn't really a debate but more of a lecture

[@clemonsx90]

I mean this with all love, but as a convert, I genuinely struggle to understand the entitlement that cradle Christians have when it comes to choosing a denomination. Many of these people love Christ and are appalled by the heresy of other denominations, but for some reason, they feel completely justified in believing their own denomination's niche ideas. The problem with these niche ideas is that theory isn't practice, and theologians aren't saints. You can't learn to make bread by studying biochemistry. Only in Orthodoxy do you practice becoming a saint by looking directly to the saints for their lives, understanding of scripture, and practices.

[@billyherrington5112]

False, in Catholicism we do the same. I mean Real practicing catholic, not some wannabe based theologians from discord or crusader larpers who think Christianity is some cover UP for White race cult

[@joanna400]

He wants soooo bad to make Calvinism Orthodox. Why not just become Orthodox? Why is it so important to insist on calling himself a Calvinist?

[@RhiannonSenpai]

That's exactly what I was thinking Redeemed Zoomer contradicted Calvinist theology multiple times and agrees on many points with the Orthodox theology. So why doesn't he just become orthodox? There is no such thing as "neo orthodox".

[@OrthodoxJoker]

Mabye he is too embarrassed to convert and loose loyal prot followers. That’s the only conclusion I can come up with

[@yourneighbour3309]

thank you kyle!!👏

[@achristian11]

Excellent video

[@progamerboi2k204]

I was raise Pentecostal and have been heavily taught in speaking in tongues for salvation and oneness theology I feel very drawn to orthodoxy please help me

[@Randomtheologian783]

Hi I have a KZbin channel where is discuss religion. Check it out if you want

[@ElJefe437]

I feel you brother, I was raised in a Trinitarian Pentecostal church and I feel the same way

[@Flame1500]

Like all heresy, it is often caused by focussing on one TRUE doctrine too much and then adding accretions over time and expanding out the system from this one point rather than taking the system as a whole

[@jollygoodgordon5580]

Pentacostals are probably one of the most heretical of all Protestant denominations. They twist and lie and make up so much. I used to be part of a pentacostal church too so I know all too well. Been becoming orthodox recently as well. Praise God. ❤

[@ofauvi2089]

Read some orthodox books like entering the Orthodox Church. Talk with a father and if you are going to become a catechumen, focus on what your priests says, don’t get caught up in deep theological discussions you aren’t ready for. And definitely don’t try to debate people on orthodoxy until you are baptized and have been orthodox for a while

[@harrygarris6921]

Of course I’d like every Christian to become Orthodox but leaving Calvinism for literally anything other Christian tradition would be a good first step for him at least. I’m stealing this from G.K. Chesterton but Calvinism really doesn’t work not because the system isn’t internally consistent, but because its view of God, its view of humanity, its view of creation, etc is far too small. It’s the epitome of the blind men trying to describe the elephant.

[@mikaelrosing]

Galatians 3:13 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us-for it is written, “Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree”- 0:35 curse and damn mean the same thing idk what jay dyer is on about its scriptural.

[@andreasioannides3338]

Can you do a video about the Epicurean paradox?

[@BramptonAnglican]

I enjoy orthodox theology

[@Frankierios22]

God bless 🙏🏼

[@coreylapinas1000]

Vis a vis Minecraft, Paul says "when I became a man I put away childish things"

[@АјдеЗвездодајгол]

Make more of this Kyle,also is Jay a Theologian? Love from Serbia❤

[@Mavvyd96]

A few of my friends were on Zoomer's discord server but were thrown off with several other Catholics and Orthodox. I hear it's a Protestant only server now. 😬

[@blueguyinahouse9390]

Hey i just wanted to say thank you if i hadn't found your videos i would have never went to an orthodox church

[@xd_elta9970]

what is the music for JAY at the beginning? 0:02

[@rhuttner12]

See, Jay isn’t an asshole. He’s like this every time, when the debate, or dialogue is honest…

[@NoQuestionsAskedd]

I was disappointed when he did not mention Apostelic Succession in his most recent video

[@HellenicPapist]

Ah, the Protestant’s “imputed righteousness”, where our loving and justice God punishes His innocent, beloved Son to Death, and sees His righteousness on the guilty. Great stuff.

[@P.Whitestrake]

May RZ finds the truth ☦️

[@amosamwig8394]

Kyle off topic, are you familiar with _"David Fitzgerald’s Jesus Mything in Action Volume II"_

[@gabriel_animated]

you should do a re-upload of “yes you can legislate morality” it got taken down

[@siervodedios5952]

Good news, I got two proper icons and set 'em up in my room. Christ the Teacher and the Blessed Theotokos to be more specific. Not used to veneration, prostrations and the like but I'll get used to them eventually. I've talked to the priest of the Orthodox Church in Knoxville, Tennessee on the phone (I don't live there) which is the closest one to me. I'm gonna try to go some services there as well as the Byzantine Catholic Church too. Maybe even a Maronite one, etc. I've not made any decisions or commitments either way yet, I wanna really dig deep before I do. I just hope nobody calls me a heretic. But there are people who will call me that, a heathen, etc and damn me to hell no matter what. This is a very serious and big decision for me. It's really hard.. I don't wanna choose wrong. My relationship with God and maybe my soul are on the line. That's one thing I fear more than anything else, is complete and utter separation from God.

[@johnnyd2383]

Pray and do not rush... As an Orthodox Christian I have no doubts... but understand your dilemmas. God bless.! 🙏

[@lorieclark2556]

Kyle please do a video on @MindShift he's been criticizing Christianity with complete lies and no one has made a video on him

[@Xp103.]

Kyle will you do an Answer Video to Bobbys Perspective to his last Video about you?

[@GeorgeFy]

Jeem the guy that was featured in Kyles video about Islam already answered go check him out

[@Jeem196]

Thanks, George!@@GeorgeFy

[@AlexLazaros]

Why’d you delete or remove some of your videos on evolution? I personally thought the videos were great with great information. Is their a specific reason or something?

[@Lord_Machiavelli]

Calvin's is heresy!

[@SaltyPalamite]

Jay Dyer is cringe, but he really took the young Protestant to school here.

[@DericksRomero]

I think I need help, I know this is off topic or maybe it’s not but I am 13 and I feel lost from God. I am non denominational (I guess…) I used to be catholic.. I kinda left it because for some reason everyone on a social media app called TikTok, people said Catholicism is heresy, I easily believed it because since they had more knowledge, I did not want to start arguments. (I had no theology understanding or (maybe a bit idk ). I feel lost and sometimes I feel like giving up. Please pray for me…

[@triggered8556]

The good news is, there is a lot of material online to learn about. The choice between denominations is both theological and historical, so researching the history of the early church/Christians and history of the denominations may help. In terms of your feeling that you’re lost from God, in my opinion, prayer is the strongest medicine for that.

[@amygrowden7095]

I've never heard anyone teach The Christ was actually damned on the cross. But what did He mean when He cried out Mt God why have You forsaken me ? For a few moments Christ was selected from the Father and Holy Spirit . When all the sin was laid on Him The Father looked away. I never heard He was damned . Also I dnt like versions of the creed that leave out He descended into hell . That is quite important section very powerful part of the total price He paid for us

[@alemwoldeyes]

The creed says He was buried, is that what you mean by descended into hades?

[@hll97fr16]

How many part of this debate there will be ?

[@georgehage3841]

No debate here. No comparison between Orthodoxy and Reformed beliefs. A moot point!

[@plumber1874]

Knowledge puffs up love builds up. how does this build up? How is zoomer being discipled it sounds like he's filling his head with systematic theology textbooks

[@everettcolby8976]

If God’s justice isn’t satisfied in the death of Christ (didn’t bear our punishment), how can the debt we owe God be paid? We can’t pay that debt on our own, we need God to bear it for us.

[@evangelium5376]

It's not that God's justice isn't satisfied, it's an issue as to the nature of transferring God's grace in justification, which we don't believe is a purely arbitrary and nominal classification.

[@RhiannonSenpai]

Yes, Jesus paid the debt by being crucified and the Harrowing of Hell but he was never condemned by the person of the Father in the trinity. That's what Jay Dyer tried to say.

[@domega7392]

When I hear people say God's justice need to be satisfied makes me cringe, it did as a protestant and still does many years later. That very statements makes justice some type of necessity over God.

[@everettcolby8976]

I would say that I am moving towards orthodoxy

[@everettcolby8976]

I guess I’m just a bit confused, I’m new to orthodox theology. Was the debt the physical death, or spiritual death and separation from God?

[@TheMormonLDSman]

I hope RedeemedZoomer turns away from Calvinism, for it is false, even though Orthodox isn't the best, but i would choose it over Calvinism, Calvinists believe in Pre-destination. Like what kind of thing is that!?!? Well may God show RedeemedZoomer the truth in Jesus name, Amen 🙏.

[@barryallen119]

Predestination is biblical. Calvinists believe in double predestination, which says that God predestines people to heaven or hell. This where the heretical part begins. It makes the devil unnecessary cause God is the ultimate evil for causing people to sin and punish them for actions they didnt choose. You have no free will and God ordains everything, every evil action in this world. Thats why we must fight these calvinist heretics! They have manichean/gnostic origins and are not christians.

[@OlivierTheriault-vd9gs]

I feel so bad for reformed zoomer, he’s so young and seems like a good kid, hope he finds the truth

[@inrmds]

Is this a new debate? Or the rest of the last debate?

[@reformedcatholic457]

Reformed Zoomer should become Anglican or Lutheran orthodox churches without converting to the east, never the less they're our brethren. I once was somewhat within Calvinism now, I've found my way out of it the whole tulip thing is too much focused on God's sovereignty.

[@szuno42]

Cool

[@whenindoubtgrenadeout]

Amen❤❤🎉🎉😊😊❤🎉😊

[@matthewz3147]

day 4 of asking you to debunk Kristi burke

[@TheB1nary]

Calvin taught that Jesus could not be given deity from the Father because He shared the one essence with the Father and Spirit; he did however hold that the Son obtained His ‘Person’ from the Father. In this way, Jesus was ‘autotheos’.

[@Jeem196]

Which contradicts the true nature of Monarchia, since even the Reformers fell prey to Latin Trinitarianism rather than Greco-Eastern.

[@TheB1nary]

@@Jeem196 I don't disagree - but as a former Protestant for over 30 years, I was just clarifying Calvin's position.

[@KalebEvans-t1x]

when are we gonna talk about the ethno based orthodox churches? Or am I anathematized for just asking that?

[@su1t0n11]

What about them?

[@KalebEvans-t1x]

@@su1t0n11 I don’t know, but you would think dividing church on basis of ethnicity, and not trying to make it universal or Catholic it’s kind of a misguided pursuit

[@KalebEvans-t1x]

Also, not submitting before The Bishop of Rome is kind of big deal too

[@andreichira7518]

​@@KalebEvans-t1x Which ethnic church are you talking about? The fathers wrote against making ethnicity a requirement for entry into the church, so if that's happening, it certainly isn't a good thing.

[@andreichira7518]

@@KalebEvans-t1x Why? He was the bishop of his jurisdiction, not the universal bishop of the Church.

[@V4nillakid]

Reformed Zoomer is a good guy. Lord have mercy on him

[@Nerdskov]

Jay needs a hair cut

[@HarlotKrieg]

Ah you totally destroyed jay dyer with that comment.

[@MisertheWizer]

Bro he's Samson Jr

[@Nerdskov]

@@MisertheWizer No

[@Nerdskov]

@@HarlotKrieg oh he will never recover haha

[@theeternalslayer]

Does he understand that calvanism is gnostic Yet?

[@4jgarner]

Man Jay was interrupting like it was his job! Smart guy but it was awful to try to listen because of that.

[@Biggun3567]

Just a reminder of common Calvinist L

[@jezuzjuize]

it’s p clear redeemed zoomer is super ignorant of a lot of doctrines, *seemingly* humble but i hope he sees how little he knows when talking to these big boy theologians. praying he finds his way to ortho

[@caseycardenas1668]

Are you super knowledgeable on a lot of doctrines?

[@jezuzjuize]

@@caseycardenas1668 has nothing to do with my knowledge, i’m a novice but a basic understanding of orthodox doctrine is more than what redeemed zoomer seems to have also just read the body language yo, he is constantly looking shook cause jay says theological ideas he hasn’t heard of, even he admits that. it’s kind of weird for a calvinist not to know the whole penalty substitution theory thing right? im just saying you can’t get on the internet and start breaking down theological ideas and not expect push back from people that 1. know more than you and 2. have been studying this stuff longer. it’s just a humility thing fam

[@caseycardenas1668]

@@jezuzjuize he's open to the push back, it's good that he looks shocked imo.

[@Apachemiwokmexican777]

Yea, I'm still not convinced to go Eastern Orthodox. No reformer was anti trinitarian.

[@kaden7374]

The argument is not that they professed it, but that it is the logical conclusion of their many theological heresies.

[@andreichira7518]

What doesn't convince you about Orthodoxy?

[@igregmart]

Of course Jesus came under condemnation during his time on the cross. How else would he pay for our sins if he did not take on the equivalence of our punishment. " Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"(Galations3.13) Jesus is certainly included in "every one." What do you think "cursed" means?

[@eckhart9467]

Thanks for posting this video. I was raised orthodox but converted last year to calvinism. Calvin theology is unmatched and makes the most sense

[@UnaGaming.]

Bobby’s perspective died for our sins 😕🙏🏼

[@dusanprimal3344]

wtf

[@xHollow.]

@@dusanprimal3344 its kinda true he thinks Jesus wasn't enough

[@ducky1016]

😂😂😂🤣☠️☠️☠️

[@justinianlthegreat7378]

Kyle I want to see you with a big beard like many Orthodox men. Please don’t shave your beard

[@OrthodoxJoker]

The Calvinist God is literally Allah

[@PaisiosOfGOAOA]

This entire conversation is like a 4-year-old talking to a math professor at Harvard.

[@RhiannonSenpai]

Jay Dyer being the math professor at Harvard.

[@oliverqueen6077]

Deuteronomy 5: 9 9Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that HATE me, 10And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that LOVE me and keep my commandments.

[@mattboyer3385]

Is he really ok with all the editing you do to make him look stupid? It seems uncharitable and not Christian

[@andreichira7518]

I mean, he's the one making the points, so...

[@mattboyer3385]

@@andreichira7518 what do you mean?

[@andreichira7518]

Maybe I'm missing it. What about the editing makes him look stupid apart from the points he's making?

[@mattboyer3385]

@@andreichira7518 Kyle puts in articles or citations that agree with him in post while RZ is making his point, it seems nasty and not Christian to poison the well against someone who even according to the Orthodox tradition is ostensibly your brother in Christ, instead of just letting the debaters do the talking

[@andreichira7518]

@@mattboyer3385 The articles are directly on point with the refutation that Jay is providing to RZ's point at the time he's making it. I don't see how this makes RZ look like an idiot. It just means he's wrong and there's support. This isn't poisoning the well.

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

Heretical schismatic VS Heretical schismatic

[@su1t0n11]

Says the Heretical schismatic

[@OrthobroJames]

So am I still a human being or subhuman from the fact that you've ignored all the heresies that the pope's have done and forget to read that in Vatican I the Roman see cannot err?

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

@@su1t0n11 No, we follow the Truth, unlike you, the Eastern Heterodox schismatics. Don't act up, kid.

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

@@OrthobroJames Why doesn't it surprise me that you are completely ignorant on how Papal Infallibility works?

[@su1t0n11]

@@baldwinthefourth4098 explain how does it work. With all the nooks and crannies

[@Devout214]

Jesus died for us all! Have a wonderful day! Jesus is God! (The Holy Trinity is the truth)

[@CCP-Lies]

So thanks Judas because without him, Jesus wouldn't be dead

[@Devout214]

@@CCP-Lies in a way yeah, what’s your point? Judas still betrayed the messiah for 30 pieces of silver. He deserves his fate in hell.

[@Devout214]

@@CCP-Lies and even then, King Herod still wanted Jesus to be executed, if Judas hadn’t tipped off the Romans then Jesus would’ve eventually been found anyway. Judas only sped up Jesus’ plan.

[@Devout214]

@@CCP-Lies no reply? Great, really shows that you have no intention of learning anything by being provocative in these comment sections, you’re just a butthurt troll.

[@TimothyWhimp]

I’ll give you $100 if you do an IQ test and post the results on your channel.

[@HydroneGamez]

Islam is the truth, but orthodox tradition and their liturgy looks cool,respect

[@HadrianFC98]

@hydroneGamez Islam is the greatest work of Satan ever conceived

[@АјдеЗвездодајгол]

Orthodox Christianity is the truth,repent. And stop worshiping idol rock in Mecca.

[@sranmirkov4458]

lol sure it is

[@nogoodusernames100]

Delusion vs Delusion

[@CCP-Lies]

All Christianity is fear based cult

[@nogoodusernames100]

@@CCP-Lies It gives importance to their meaningless lives.

[@johnnyd2383]

@@CCP-Lies Care to explain how and why.?

[@johnnyd2383]

@@nogoodusernames100 What is the meaning of life according to you.?

[@CCP-Lies]

​@@johnnyd2383love me or burn in hell