Can a 3.5cc RC Toy Engine Power a Real Motorcycle? Like you haven't dreamed about this...

[@y2ksw1]

Over 40 years ago I made a 1cc motor drive a bicycle at about 30 km/h. It lasted less than a minute, but it was the success feeling I needed for myself 😊

[@Foppa905]

1cc how tf

[@J-Motos-Garage]

Yeah 1cc how tf

[@y2ksw1]

@@J-Motos-Garage much the way a dynamo works. The other way round.

[@Eggy_Weggy96]

Soo you say 50 CC mph is 550

[@y2ksw1]

@@Eggy_Weggy96 It was a 10.000 rpm motor for small aircraft or racing cars, with glow candle.

[@kylecomeau3684]

As a former rc car enthusiast I was wondering how long that poor little clutch would last! I’m shocked it even worked the first time, I’ve burned them up in tall grass before! Still very cool!

[@NVMDSTEvil]

@UCt_e-u6Hewec1Dr-oE1GhQw there is a clutch on the RC motor, he takes it apart at 12:40

[@austinsmith9413]

As long as it's not a Traxxas clutch I think it will be fine. Lol

[@eulisesacevedo4929]

On the toyan engine he removed the clutch. On the HPI engine it still had the RC clutch on it but the clutch on the gearbox was not working properly.

[@philippericherpepin2825]

I think you need to lower their gear ratio to, I had the same engine and I think it run better with the cone in the pipe closer to engine so that you don’t need to run it super lean for

[@MattC78]

He broke the crankshaft last time.

[@sbukosky]

I never thought that I'd see my Honda 50 as having a big engine.

[@hoWa3920]

No Honda, NSU Quickly

[@999benhonda]

can we take a moment to appreciate how slick that moped frame is?

[@dereksteele5543]

NSU Quickly 1955 till 1962 vintage. After 62 they went with smaller wheels

[@markserbu]

For some reason this just really warms my heart. Nice work!

[@vaporware666]

Get jumped bro

[@cd0130]

your cool

[@steve0680657]

That is your leg, not your heart.

[@mikeznel6048]

@@vaporware666 Figures, somebody with "vape" in their account name would say something as benign as that...

[@vaporware666]

@@mikeznel6048 Vaporware is not benign bro it's actually pretty financially malicious

[@Enjoymentboy]

Can you reduce the spring pressure on the main clutch? I had a batavus years ago and I was able to stretch the clutch spring and remove a couple of the steel balls to raise the stall up preventing it from engaging at lower rpm. Made takeoff from a dead stop much better. Higher revs allowed the clutch to really grab instead of slip. Similar concept as to some of the comments below for the RC clutch.

[@voornaam3191]

Tomos, Batavus, this is a Nothing Beats The Netherlands party, is it?

[@Mikefestiva]

Thanks for taking the time to make these videos 👍 I understand how much time it takes to make projects like this possible. Haha I have a CNC robot in my shop too, robots are awesome 😂

[@BricoleurTV]

Two of my favorite you tubers communicating. Cool!!

[@Mariuswow69]

" robots are awesome 😂" - a wild Arnold Schwarzenegger burst out from your shop!

[@bigmikeh]

You're SO right - a lot of us have dreamed about using old tiny nitro RC engines for bikes etc. If you're looking for a working clutch design for low-power engines, check out the old Honda CT 70 (and 50, and 90, and 110) "automatic" clutches. They're probably too heavy for this application, and they run in a light oil bath, but they're designed to operate reliably with 3.5-10 horsepower engines for years and years. I got a CT 70 when I was 12, beat it up for 4 years, gave it to my middle brother, who beat it up for another 4 years, then gave it to our youngest brother. He rode it until he turned 16 and got a Honda 200, traded it in and it was still on the original clutch plates.

[@Dug6666666]

I'm impressed the RC motor and it clutch drove the bike at all, so in that way it was a success. A 15cc RC engine is more likely to have a fighting chance and perhaps a go cart chain would run smoother.

[@jakubkrcma]

Any tiny engine with sufficient power (~1 hp and up) can be used for powering a motorcycle. Depends on what top speed, acceleration, fuel consumption, noise, emissions, and service life you're looking for.

[@robingroeneveld4169]

I would reduce the speed first with cogwheels and use a regular clutch from a moped. This ensures the engine can run in it's intended powerband and you will not smoke the clutch.... Love this channel!

[@Wildstar40]

1 mph at 10,000 rpm giving 90 mpg 🤣

[@brentonk461]

I made my own hi-stall clutches for my RC car. No melting, and much higher stall than stock.

[@theirishaxe9405]

Did you just use thicker springs? Thanks

[@GiovanniGiorgo]

Sounds good, but no explanation of what you actually did.

[@suchfunstuff]

I would do the opposite. Stretch the springs a little so the clutch engages at lower speed. Gave me more control on dirt tracks.

[@reganleblanc3606]

Stiffer springs, and/or lighter shoes = higher stall former WC. R/C mechanic here

[@revolution51]

Whoop-D-DOO.!

[@bombieman13]

It's like putting a motorcycle engine in a semi truck 😂

[@jimlee2664]

Some folks just cant add! If not sports cars be powered by lawn mower engines.

[@pazsion]

and yet it still works if designed properly

[@bombieman13]

Yes need a million gears to make it work

[@alpacalipsprofit9610]

Now I want to see a KZbinr build a semi powered by motorcycle engines...6 2000cc engines, one for each wheel

[@MountainMechanicShow]

Your channel is quickly becoming my favorite experimental engine/motorsports/tinkering channel ever! Your ideas are everything I've always ever wanted the fabricate and experiment with! I wish I had the machines to do this stuff! Rock on!

[@jschudel777]

That's exactly what I was wondering as a kid, playing with 3.5cc engines myself. Could it power a small go-cart?

[@gillwiz]

i was watching your videos for three years, although i have never ever riden any kind of moped or scooter in my life. let alone a two stroke... don't know why, but i was never intending to use any of info you provide so elegantly. and about two weeks ago i found an old riga-13 two stroke motorised bicycle in grandparents shed... i stood there for about ten years untouched, partly dismantled. No clutch cover, no ignition system cover. Just rusting. Today, i got it perfectly running and went for my first half hour ride around the block. Thank you for the inspiration. And the two stroke sound is just out of this worl :D

[@fuhkoffandie]

that's why I love this guy. he's not afraid to try things that every gearhead, whether just a kid, or grown up, has wanted to know, or try, and couldn't for one reason or the other. that's awesome. I mean, who hasn't tinkered with these little motors on RC cars, and hasn't thought about doing this at least once? 😎👍💯

[@mariebaxter473]

I ran 3.5 , 6.5 and 15 cc in the 80,s and it did go through my noggin what would they drive transport wise . Also had the cops ring the door bell after i fired up the 15cc at midnight , LOL

[@Produkt_R]

Pretty impressive for such a tiny engine. I'm curious about the Jawa, I had two of those and one of them did 80km/h with little modifications.

[@ruggugglan]

i have tried to modify my wifes Jawa and not with good results. 13mm Carb bigger intake...25km/h uphill and 45km/h flat 🤣

[@Produkt_R]

@@ruggugglan lol. Be cautious tho, they can run hot and become stuck pretty easy. I don't think your wife will appreciate having to push it home as I did in my teenager years more then once.

[@rotarolla1]

Best channel on KZbin

[@johnrodabaugh4887]

The failure of the RC clutch was disappointing, but expected. Could you just add stiffer springs to the current larger clutch to alter the engagement rpm?

[@davelowets]

It would just burn out even faster that way... the final drive ratio just needs to be geared down further

[@SirTodd]

For fine tuning the chain tension/overcoming the design flaw, you could simply use some jack bolts threaded into the top plate that when screwed down push off against the bottom plate.

[@pauls5745]

I think 4 of them _might_ have enough torque to take off from stop and get you to 15mph. love to see someone do this!

[@collectorguy4379]

Amazes me the patience and knowledge of people like this chap!

[@geofham8332]

Hi, I don't think RC Car racers would like you calling the engine a TOY, like calling a 50cc engine only for a mopeds.

[@2STROKESTUFFING]

I know😁

[@coolhandluke1503]

Toys for big boys :)

[@DoRC]

I get the feeling these toyan engines really aren't designed for actually usage.

[@xnecron99]

They're desk art

[@nikolas7030]

Just imagine hearing this thing coming screaming down the road from the direction of the shed that the worlds most powerful 2 stroke was made in. And you see this madman rolling past you at walking pace...

[@patricksnead8015]

That is a Tomos block your using and the clutch has a one way needle bearing in it, it locks in one direction and freewheels in the other direction, it locks to the crankshaft in one direction and freewheels in the other direction!

[@BOBOhole]

You should try to putting a mini bike clutch on the jack shaft. It will probably put less stress on the other clutch.

[@NaN.404]

Man and me struggling to fit 2 bearings in a minarelli moped, this man thinking of machining axials, bushings, and clutches for a minuscule toy engine.. You are crazy, never let the brap die!

[@andrewnegri4678]

I take it your neighbors love 2/ stroke as much as you!

[@PhunkyChikin]

Thank you for trying this. I always thought it would be fun to try it on a bike with a 9 spd cassette to see if it could shift like an F1 car, but it needs more torque just to overcome the drivetrain friction. You have proven that the chain could be mounted directly from the motor without flying off, so I’m impressed. How about using a 2 stroke chainsaw motor?

[@Alan_Hans__]

I would reckon that you need a lot more reduction on that first stage so that the motor gets to spin up more. Instead of a chain and sprocket maybe a timed belt although at 16-25,000 rpm the centrifugal force may make keeping it on a problem. Since I first saw you show that little nitro rc engine on the channel I've dreamed of converting 1 (or more than 1) to run a chainsaw.

[@stephenthompson9722]

First time you reved it I could tell its rich and not reving enough. I think your gear ratios need to be optimised for the engine to rev to about 30,000 revs. I recommend an LRP .32 engine with high quality 3 or 4 shoe clutch shoes.

[@buildingracingvideos4714]

I'm 2 minutes in and already feeling that poor little clutches pain

[@oskarkrogsgard3014]

I think you should try a bigger sprocket on the rear wheel. These engines need revs, as you said yourself. Cool video, I've always wonderes if this would be doable :) Cheers from Denmark

[@Eurobeat.Jiguli]

You mean a smaller Sprocket if you use a bigger you need more rpm until the clutch is working

[@espenschjelderup426]

@@Eurobeat.Jiguli no. It's the opposite😊 Bigger on rear wheel, or even better smaller on the RC engine to get higher stall speed. Or bigger on the "crank"shaft.

[@Eurobeat.Jiguli]

@@espenschjelderup426 ah sorry youre right he has that gearing

[@pirateradioFPV]

Based on my experience with the Vegas, next time you bring a different framerate video into the timeline -> right click the video, go to properties and at video event tab "disable resample". The file will render and play normally after that.

[@revolution51]

I have a Cen/Gen 7.7 and was actually considering the feasibility of this the other day. Thanks to your amazing video, I have decided to go on to another project, like, keeping the nitro engine in the model where it is now, getting a beer and chasing my cats with the remote 7.7. 16:10-An appropriately sized fan hub with thin, angled blades pressed onto the primary clutch body may allow the clutch body to shed heat in a more rapid manner than it does without a heat elimination strategy

[@imbatman110]

I'm amazed how that tiny piston is running that motorcycle

[@Blandy929]

Nicee work! What about a gear reduction? The nitro engines rev to around 30000 rpm idle bloody high too so the clutch cant bite because the engine would have to bog down to stall point. A gear reduction may allow you to reach a middle ground of top speed and torque.

[@greggv8]

You have a CNC mill. Order a replacement crankshaft, turn and polish where it was obviously intended to have bearings, then modify the block to add cross bolted upper bearing supports and a new bottom plate with lower bearing supports that bolt into the upper bearings. With the right aluminum alloy it won't need any special coating or insert bearings. Many overhead camshafts run right on the aluminum head metal.

[@tomz4521]

Hey man you should clamp the milling cutter a bit shorter in the holder, it reduces vibration while milling and makes the milling cutter live a bit longer, I am working at a cnc shop in Germany so pls don’t be mad if I didn’t use the right words for it but I hope you get what I mean. I love your projects! Keep it up.

[@mofosoto]

Nice attempt! I wonder if a bigger sprocket on the clutch would help. Also I think it would be interesting to see another one of these added for the front wheel.

[@leefinch8818]

I have made a few aluminum clutch pieces that would get hot but they grab good all of the time. Great video.

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

Rarely has the sound and image of a video been so weird. Sreaming 100mph sound and a leisurely 5mph bicycle trip round the block! :D

[@drgeoffangel5422]

That frame is an old NSU quickly , I had one in 1965, an old NSU Quickly two speed, I suped her up and got 45mph out of her!! My first "motor bike" and I loved her !! I rebuilt her from scrap parts, and boy did she go for a 50cc moped!! Good times !

[@williamoverton7775]

I'm wondering if a tiny cluster of RC rotary engines could run a bicycle.

[@audacityhour3104]

I’d like to see it happen

[@Jarmezrocks]

We appreciate you side tracking your numerous jobs to show us something cool 👍

[@bustedcap]

Would love to see you build a 50cc large scale rc nitro engine. The power would be off the charts yo! btw i enjoy following you though your journeys .

[@christopherknee5756]

If the power scales-up with the capacity, then it could produce about 40 hp.

[@tamasmihaly1]

I like you already. KZbin is a weird grandma's attic full of surprises. Thank you.

[@ultimateworkshop]

That's cool, my kids pocket rocket at 39cc will hardly pull my weight from a standstill but with a bit of space to get up to power band things get real quick real fast

[@Baldys_projects]

You should definitely get should a 1/5 scale two-stroke RC engine they make them from 23cc up to 30.5cc as far as I know and I had a Rovan RC with a 30.5cc engine that ripped pretty hard! The components are tougher as well like the clutch and it's big enough so you can actually modify the cylinder and case for more power!

[@stein_9443]

Time for a multi engine "radial" version 😉

[@theadventuresofshellyandfr5618]

Thanks so much bro always wanted to try this now I know it will work!! Because if it works with a 3.5 cc Engine. Imagine what it will do with a 15cc rc engine!

[@jeffmorris9893]

I think those pretty four cylinder engines are meant for display stands, whereas the 3.5 single cylinder unit is meant to swing a 22 inch prop for days. I'm expecting it to work fine, but I'll watch to the end.

[@user-martinpd]

I've searched for this topic more than once in two years and now it has appeared

[@teterouge1472]

What a machine! You, Sir, are a star of KZbin, a true star.... I hope you live life and prosper.... Wishing you all the best from North Nottinghamshire UK

[@danwood1121]

This is fantastic! When I was a kid, I always wondered if this was possible. The engine on my rc airplane looked similar enough to a motorcycle, but I couldn't test it when I was younger.

[@ajayvgopal7929]

So glad to see you been watching since your diy dyno video

[@acurarl9929]

Worlds smallest engine on moped. Worlds most powerful to worlds least powerful. Your CRAZY.. Love it.

[@jd8052]

you are allen millyard from an alternate dimension

[@doperider85]

I'm sure Allen would be extremely enthusiastic about 2SS's pursuit of the most powerful 2t

[@EspenMiland]

Ha ha ha... I know the feeling when you just know that somebody will get angry if you do something, but you can't help yourself.. Just had to do it.. Love it ;)

[@Touwtje]

Very cool, definitely thought about this a lot when I still drove my 3,5cc carson. Are there no adjustment screws on the clutch? Puch clutches had adjustment screws that would allow a somewhat-high grab point. If that wasn't enough there were stronger springs available.

[@jasonpeace1991]

"with a long enough lever and a fulcrum to place it i can move the world" - some intelligent dude

[@ajwasp3642]

Archimedes

[@Rebar77_real]

Fun stuff and now we all know too. Thanks! Maybe keep your eye's open for small boat engines with wrecked bottom ends. That would be a fun 2 stroke de-stressor project. Plus who wouldn't want to know if that would work? Prudes with stock engines, that's who! Cheers man.

[@kevinsellsit5584]

If you replace the first drive chain with a friction drive you could have better gear reduction since the smallest bike chain sprocket is relatively large. Or use #25 chain. Pocket bikes are available with a 5 tooth #25 chain sprocket.

[@grahamguest142]

I really want to live in Norway, it's lovely... not sure of those noisy neighbours though 😍

[@davidvanniekerk356]

Thx Mr. U give me hope. My motorbike broke down in the wrong side of a South African town(-ship)... I must figure out to get 2end engine in the Chinese 200cc motorbike..

[@blkdna748]

Its now getting more crazy. Back to 2strokes.

[@KacKLaPPeN23]

If you want a clutch that engages at higher RPM, try a GT clutch, something like the Reds Tetra GT (MUAX0002). Though those only come with composite shoes so they'll likely burn up really quickly too. The Tetra Off Road with alu shoes (MUQU0066) on the hardest setting might work as well. The main thing though is that you'll likely need a much shorter gear ratio, the engine really didn't even get to rev at all in that test and I don't think letting a tiny clutch like that compensate for it by slipping until you're at the right speed would work out either. Though you have to keep in mind this is an incredibly cheap engine that definitely doesn't put out the 2.5HP it says on the box, idk how they can get away with such a blatant lie.

[@Andre_Thomasson]

These engines definetely put out alot of power. Maybe not the 2.5 but id believe 2 because i have several of them and they are really crazy

[@AmirPomen]

Looks like this kind of small engine will suited to cvt gearbox instead of standard gearbox

[@TheOriginalEviltech]

You need a higher transmission ratio before the gearbox sprocket. This engine idles at 5-6000RPM and revs well beyond 14000. You are not allowing it to enter it's power band. Remove the clutch from the gear box and return the small one on the engine. Get a reducer gear box for the engine and feed it's output to the large gear box. you need to get max 2000RPM on the big gear box input.

[@mikefairnessnt]

Never clicked so fast

[@jmrides777]

Great engineering job bud!😎

[@robertpierce1981]

Audio is much better in this video. Except for that one short segment.

[@2STROKESTUFFING]

👍 Got a wireless lavaliere mic, really helped.

[@leandrorey80]

How much rpms ??

[@franzkoviakalak6981]

That bike is gorgeous, wow. Is it fully custom or based on something?

[@tylerjustice2782]

Should put a 100cc chainsaw engine in it next, that would be mint.

[@Fantaman900]

4 inline banger needs atleast 3 crank bearings, 5 would be better. I also would split the case/block where the bearings are, bolt together with 2 alignment pins and line bore for the crank. because tiny bearing caps are a nightmare

[@nerd1000ify]

One option is to make the crank webs also serve as the journals for large diameter rolling element bearings. This way the crankcase can just be bored through with no split bearing caps, and the crankshaft inserted by sliding it in axially. This approach was notably used in Tiger tank engines during WW2, but isn't popular now because the surface speed of the bearings tends to be a bit high for plain bearings.

[@Fantaman900]

@@nerd1000ify I think oversized bearing to slide the crank in axial might just be the way to go on miniature engines. No worries about surface speed when the whole engine is tiny.

[@nigelmitchell351]

Nsu quickly frame looks really stylish. But do the neighbours like it?

[@MichaelMeyerMotocyclist]

That frame the way it is made. you can use it to make a mold to make a Carbon kevlar frame. sheet metal to Composite. just a thought I like the shape of that frame.

[@2STROKESTUFFING]

Cool idea! It has a beautiful shape to it.

[@Mr_Flybacker]

You need a really high actuation clutch. For example, on my bike with a ktm sx 50 engine, the clutch is triggered at 9-10 thousand rpm. If it's softer, the bike won't move.

[@saulprokopavicius3628]

Cool man-I have a long trimmer I want to add to pedal bike-yes two stroke and have to find exhaust for exhaust. Wish me luck. Cheers

[@kaidwyer]

That little thing sounds like an angry bee! I wish I saw more of those around my area.

[@kordta]

U can try with rubber V-belt two spools from car alternator w/pump and crancshaft (old style) or make smaller ones for thinner belt and a parasite wheel with a spring as a tensioner-clutch. It engages pretty rough with almost no slipping effect but should do the job for testing the max speed of the system, if the poor thing has enough power ofcourse.

[@Bigcheif360]

Nice to be see the good and the bads of an idea. If there is no bads how do you learn

[@LorenziLéo]

It reminds me of one of my uncles, he's a medicine doctor, and he's playing around with old 50cc race mopeds the weekends. He made me try one once, I remember that stupid high revs sound going at around 10km/h before changing gears. Then I've been arrested by the police 😂 That's a funny thing though

[@aukanmeister]

Variator with a huge range, or serial gearboxes maybe?

[@darylreed7771]

I didn’t think it had enough torque to make it happen. Awesome video though. I’ve always wondered if those little engines could do it.

[@robertmccallum8626]

Just another 2 cents worth, instead of the 3/8 bike chain get hold of some 1/4 chain. we use that in the food industry and it can take surprising a descent amount of torque. also a 2stroke motor bike clutch, not a centrifugal clutch, one were you can slip it but once engaged its fixed, centre pull.

[@CORYJOHNM]

Just pedal up to a respectable speed then engage the little thing. Even my 66cc takes a pedal or two. I think it would do great on a jackshaft and using index gears

[@guerrillaradio9953]

The power is there, just a matter of gearing and clutching, but I wouldn't want to pay for nitro to go to work, even on a 3.5cc!!!

[@wedgie502]

the great thing about nitro engines is that you can convert them to diesel.

[@Beavis-et8ox]

This bike sounds much faster than it is........Cool video thanks for sharing.

[@Lifeisawheelie]

I have not at all dreamt of this. What i dream of isn 1800cc litteral couch. Stuff like that. The reason why i hate vacuum cleaners so much, is people always run them at MAX rpm. tiny engine just screaming away, quarter lifespan, noises from air intake also becomes an issue at full power. It sucks just FINE at 1/4 to 1/3 power. It doesn't scream like it's trying to break the cound barrier for 35 minutes while you struggle with getting stuff out again you didn't intend to scoop up. Such as the Couch. Please. Make a low RPM monster 2stroke. I'd love that. This is just taking the aspect of 50cc scooters i dislike, and multiplying it by a factor of 20. Namely the noise even at half throttle, the need to go full throttle from start to finish, and then the shorter service intervals.

[@bonkbonk92]

As an experienced machinist, I approve of your machining skills. 👍 Very good. Now if only I could afford my own machines. lol Love your videos! If I may make a request, I would love it if you played with small compression ignition engine designs. There are RC "Diesel" engines that are really clever.

[@johnvrbka570]

I also think that short chain will get hot & may bind up due to so many rpms

[@hellohun7331]

Motul racing chain lube must be used. Those rpm’s will eat that chain up in 30 minutes. They start to weld the links at those speeds.

[@jacqueminogue4608]

Man i had this idea 2 years ago, you just made it!!

[@mrdeathscrn]

Trevligt och välbyggt projekt! Synd att slungkopplingen var för svag, avståndet ställer till det men frågan är om remdrift med flytande spännhjul (som kontrolleras manuelt) skulle vara vettigt? (tekniskt sett går det väl att placera motorn längre ifrån lådan?) Ta det lungt och påta på!

[@moffomoto]

Another cool vid this is a man who knows how to have fun, my kind of fun for sure. So rad.

[@Rudy97]

Would love to see u build a tiny engine for a moped. The smallest one that works "ok"