Can A 30-Year Old E30 M3 Keep Up With A New G80 M3?

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This week, Alex takes the legend that is the E30 M3 and tests its performance against the brand new G80 M3 to find out how far the game has moved on.
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[@byCDMC]

Biggest difference is that as the years go on, nobody will remember G80 M3, yet everyone will remember the E30 M3

[@vedantawasthi5410]

maybe we'll remember it as the last manual m3....who knows?

[@BB-zv8tx]

I don't think so. The G80 will surely be remembered, just like the F80 and E36. Just not as fondly as the E30. Hell, maybe in 40 years they will start gaining value for some stupid reason (just like what is currently happening to 996s and E36s lol)

[@KayJblue]

Name a single M3 no one remembers… It’s not like these types of cars are just forgotten.

[@doabarrellroll69]

Oh no no no no, people will remember the G80 M3 in the future; they'll remember it for being god awfully ugly.

[@BB-zv8tx]

@@doabarrellroll69 and an absolute beast. tbh, with a prior design front end the car looks pretty decent, and a stage 1 Manhart M3C is already quicker than an Aventador S from 100-200. Say what you will about the styling, there's a ton of potential in this car.

[@coldshoulder4056]

I'm amazed how quickly Ethan developed a motorsport personality.

[@V1Ct0rline]

Wdym quick, it took him like 5 years :)))

[@RedBatRacing]

@@V1Ct0rline that's quick for Ethan

[@leksluthor3]

I love him. Met him at the Ring 2 years ago or 3, he was so nice.

[@Kavones]

Plot twist-he was always a car guy and he was acting like he wasn't!

[@leksluthor3]

@@Kavones that was my thought as well when he was introduced on this channel back in the day. I thought he probably didn’t get that Suzuki unironically.

[@filmkid1080]

That grill on the new m3 is bigger than the whole e30

[@damilolaakanni]

😀😁😂😅🤣

[@LilScrewmatic]

true

[@viktorr3458]

Is it just me, or it looks like Voldemort?

[@suorsah]

And uglier than anything that has been on this planet.

[@mikeyyyy8726]

@@suorsah Nah it actually looks pretty decent with the M3/M4 grills.

[@rivolinho]

G80 - "Not tonight mate" E30 - "This way, Sir. May I take your coat?"

[@focusedford2302]

The E30 definitely has the looks, but the newest M3 has the immense speed. I'd have the E30 any day, but the best M3 to me is the E46.

[@kristoff0224]

Same here the car is literally perfection

[@carguyns4348]

I don’t have a favorite gen M3, I just love the M3

[@MrKruska11]

@@kristoff0224 looks better than E30, still has decent performance and tunability, heck even the GTR version with a V8

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Especially the CSL, which actually keeps the weight sensible. The new car is insanely heavy. Everyone criticises electric cars for being so heavy due to the batteries, but the G80 is the same weight as a long range RWD Tesla Model 3. How the hell did BMW manage that?

[@paperisbored]

is it couse you own one

[@tyrebph]

215hp out of an 80s 4 cylinder is insanely impressive

[@lolcow_president]

It was making more horsepower than V8s at the time, that’s insane!

[@andrezesna3920]

@CT is infant grade content now what are you talking about??

[@andrezesna3920]

238hp in the Sport evo with 2.5liter. In germany no one leave the s14 in Stock. Average HP of the most M3s is around 250HP. In DTM spec they get around 360hp out of it. My M3 has allready 180k km on the clock.

[@vaporpunk24]

@CT is infant grade content now What a stupid comment.

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

@@lolcow_president Maybe an American V8. European ones were already making a lot more than that :P

[@jondonnelly3]

You can mod the e30 to make it quicker, faster steering rack etc, but you can't do much with the G80 to make it look better.

[@dkdanis1340]

Are you serious simple bumper (if the big grill is problem to you) change is way easier than doing full suspension, semi slicks, lightweight rims, swaybars, titanium control arms polyurethane bushings maybe aero kit and g80 will be still faster.

[@jondonnelly3]

@@dkdanis1340All those things would be a joy to do to that lovely e30 car. I never said it was the EASIER option! I never said it was the big grill and if you think that would fix the looks your are mistaken. G80 is never gonna join the ranks of BMW design classics. It's only a fast car, for me that isn't enough.

[@BB-zv8tx]

Go look at the prior design kit then. It downsizes the front kidney more to what you see on the m340i. Looks rather decent imo.

[@jondonnelly3]

@@BB-zv8tx It does help I give you that!

[@rsoss92js]

@@dkdanis1340 There's so much more than just the grill that makes it ugly. The whole design is just hideous. I reserved judgement until I saw one in person because I thought it might be one of those cars that look bad in pictures but nice in person but it's the opposite. It's 10x worse in person. Big, ugly, cumbersome mess.

[@Calx91]

I’d still rather have the E30 that G80 grill is just hideous

[@EinKerl3554]

E30 for me as well, besides it was actually built for a purpose, to go racing and win the German Touring Car championship, which it did. Every M3 since has been for people to sit in and play racer.

[@dedyardana1224]

how long the g80 been on the market? why I haven't seen any enhanchement fix for that beautifull grill

[@bencns]

I saw one today while walking down the street and screamed “EW” only to then realised it’s windows where open. I don’t regret it.

[@DanielSadjadian]

@@bencns haha epic. Did the owner get a bit angry? 😂

[@Calx91]

@@LogiForce86 I’ve seen it in real life to lol like just a tiny bit better but enough to change my mind

[@roderickmoose7756]

the e30 is definitely prettier

[@mdfarukftw]

No

[@gasperc6967]

The pig snout grill meme is comming to live and i hate it

[@carguyns4348]

@@mdfarukftw both are equally pretty to me, call me crazy but that is my opinion.

[@zhila5958]

@@carguyns4348 i respect your opinion since it’s all just personal preference in the end of the day. and everyone has their own view on things and that’s why we have different cars for different people. i personally think E30 is way better looking but that’s my personal opinion

[@N1ckZ]

In your opinion. To me the G80 looks a lot better.

[@RobertEnterprises]

Before anything else, I just have to give huge props for the editing on this, it was phenomenal. The tracking shots with the drones, how you integrate the performance and other figures within the shot and making it a 3D text so that it exists within the shot itself and is not static, great camera angles, and that beautiful transparent shot between the two cars demonstrating their stopping distance at 14:18 , I'm thoroughly impressed by the editing, really great job guys. And of course a great video overall as well, both cars are awesome, the E30 will always be a legend and we can always appreciate it, while the new kid on the block shows how times and performance have changed. Also love that little twist at the end, another great shot with the cars moving to the side and your choice of car coming in the middle :)

[@haslerdesigns]

AfterEffects 3D tracking! Very clever software isn’t it, and also skilful use of it by whoever edited. (Ethan or Jack?)

[@bobkataP]

I’ve noticed that as well. Really high level of video editing and filming. Also at the end of the video where the M3 E46 showed up in between then was amazingly done.

[@freddieparrydrums]

Finally someone who doesn’t hate on the G80

[@simonthomas5367]

Amazing machine but she’s definitely not a looker. Give me old school any day.

[@lisabeck3963]

Agreed. The front grill on the new car is really NOT pretty

[@ccips1135]

Call me blind but i love the front of it. But back lights not a big fan (looks a like a Lexus from the back)

[@sparky4878]

@@ccips1135 you asked for it, you’re blind.

[@wruenvadam]

@@sparky4878 It is a divisive design choice, but I can see how someone could like it. The front end in general looks good. The lines are good and it looks aggressive. It is just that the grill interrupts things a bit, but they continue the lines of the grill onto the hood, and mimic the angled lines of the lower parts of the grill into the lower intakes, and the main horizontal line at the front perfectly lines up with one of the lines in the grills and goes all the way across. I don't think the grills look particularly bad. I think the real issue is the way the lower intakes on either side of the grill end. They angle inward and I really don't think that was the right call. Gives it a not quite as aggressive look. A hard edge angled outward might have worked better. Sure it would have made it look like it was smiling, but with how aggressive the lights and the rest of the design was, it would come off as more of a devilish smile. Probably would have made it less divisive. That's just my two cents, and I don't have photoshop to figure out a way to visualize it so it could look worse. The minds eye is not the same as real life soo... don't sue me. :P

[@jazenkow5792]

@@lisabeck3963 Not only grill. This whole BMW looks like prefired Alfa Romeo Giulia with VW plastics and fake leathers...

[@dillanmistry]

What accelerates faster? The price of the E30 or G30?

[@hankhill9032]

I think it's the bmw.

[@dillanmistry]

@@hankhill9032 yes😂

[@JM-io2uv]

The German one

[@TheBimmerMan]

the one with 4 wheels

[@JD-eo7dr]

They might be both M3s but there's only one "ultimate driving machine"

[@TheBackRoads]

Editing appreciation time. Very clearly lots of effort put into this one guys, well done!

[@georgegamer9088]

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[@lazar2175]

Honestly editing was kinda shit on this one, they fucked up the drone shot and the size comparison was just awful. I assume they pay an editor, the composition and cuts itself are good, it's just like he had a bad hungover when editing this one.

[@aydinsengun5088]

@@lazar2175 you're right. The lighting wasn't balanced properly from the shots inside the car (the outside was completely blown out or Alex's face was too dark), you could see the mic peeping in and out of shots, the inside shots weren't framed as well as they could have been to avoid seeing the rear camera, and the mic set up and audio was just really quite poor. Overall, just not up to the standard they've been setting with past videos. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say that it might be a new crew or something.

[@edwin3934]

Uk pulis

[@craazyy22]

For me the winner here would be the E30, It got the looks, charm and strong personality. Also its always more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.

[@dkdanis1340]

Just then drive fast car fast.

[@Eatinbritches]

@@dkdanis1340 Obviously you've never driven a fast car fast. You either spend more time braking, or you have to dial the speed back - making all that excess power a waste. Quite frankly; the most fun roads simply don't have the space to accommodate the high power cars. The lower powered lightweights wind up being more satisfying because you can use all the performance.

[@dkdanis1340]

@@Eatinbritches that's the one of those excuses "i drive slow cars cause im scared to drive fast cars and with slow car i can blame car not my skills".

[@henningschroth7405]

These guys just wanna say the like to see fast cars going fast from the bus seat they are placed in...

[@sparky4878]

@@dkdanis1340 James Hunt said the most fun he had was driving an old A35 van. Senna said the purest motorsport he drove in was in karts. They knew what they were talking about. When you can drive something flat out all the time is a lot more fun than driving something well within its limits.

[@deformemvita]

The new M3 is ghastly... just one of the ugliest bimmers ever made.

[@zzhughesd]

It’s a minger. It’s impossible to love it. I’ve tried. I’ve thrown towel in. It’s just an ugly car. And the e3O so stanced perfect. Just a sweetheart.

[@bokichko]

@@zzhughesd i love the looks of the new M3

[@PeteCourtier]

@@zzhughesd Yes, E30 is a pretty car. 80’s/90’s had some beauties like an Alfa 155 cloverleaf, 205Gti or an Audi S2.

[@ollie-kc6nj]

@CT is infant grade content now no its not a bad looking car

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

And they look even worse in the flesh. The M8 is even worse though. I don't know what they were thinking with these designs. It's like they decided to make no areas of the car match the others. The lines are awful.

[@alper694]

The front end has evolved but in backwards

[@PavleSavic00]

->Upgrade ->Upgrade ->Upgrade ->Fuck, go back

[@naliinsuthakaran2967]

devolved*

[@shukrantpatil]

i like it , its aggressive

[@marcox4358]

it literally went back to the first BMW's lol

[@markwright3161]

@@shukrantpatil Yes, in the sense of the state of someone's nose after their face was *aggressive* -ly smashed into a brick wall repeatedly :) I'm not a fan, if it wasn't obvious :) , it's just a personal preference thing. It just makes me think of the 'nose bone' of a skull when I see it. :)

[@pokerclown7922]

The E30 and this whole generation of BMW’s were very distinctive in their appearance, very easily recognisable. The current gen bm’s are just a tad euro box looking.

[@Anirossa]

I daily a e34, this bimmer generation is great

[@xtc31]

The G80 is one hideous looking car. Give me the E30 m3 anytime.

[@nvl2691]

Having seen a black one in real life... it's MUCH better looking than in pictures.

[@iexplainjokestomakethemles1560]

for the first time in history, grandma will actually call the grandson ugly.

[@kombajn2]

are you drunk?

[@iexplainjokestomakethemles1560]

@@kombajn2 no, why?

[@27Zangle]

Not the first time :-(

[@guillaumetsogbe-hamel2145]

30 years old styling is better, thats for sure.

[@guillaumetsogbe-hamel2145]

@Martin there is always a nostalgia factor but something thats ugly won`t pretty because of nostalgia.

[@vintageman91]

Yes, there are numerous decades where cars looked the best in general like all the way from the early 30s to the late 80s/early 90s that was the end of that period.

[@E34Benzin]

@Martin No way. The E65 is still as ugly and offensive to look at as it was 20 years ago.

[@supgizmo5021]

The G80 fits this era of blandness or even ugliness much like the music of today whereas the E30 looks 80s 😎. My son thinks the same and he is 14 so it is not age.

[@ethanjack4298]

I have to say that a E36 M3 repainted with proper paint and corrosion protection is the best M3 imo.

[@ringbimmer]

You have such good taste

[@andrezesna3920]

It looks good but its not handmade like the e30 and its Bad balanced. The e36m3 Was planned as 4cylinder. Also the interior has Bad quality. I love the s50

[@romachoz]

@@andrezesna3920 bad balanced but still every Nurburgring dash cam has at least 1 e36 even not m3 and just 326

[@romachoz]

325*

[@andrezesna3920]

@@romachoz Because the e36 is very cheap. But prices are rising. The M3 Was planned with modified Version of the M42. Watch BMW e36 STW . You will love it.

[@mickles1975]

Those numbers are all very impressive but it still looks like a bloody beaver. I'd take the E30, thanks.

[@xanthopoulos1825]

I love how the uk plate covers part of the grille and makes the car look better. Looked up g80 front end conversions and god is the stock front end ugly

[@dariuskod9353]

If I had a choice, I would choose the e30 m3.

[@Segafishy]

It's like when BMW ask me every now and then to upgrade my near 20 year old E46 M3, why would I want to?

[@naycnay]

Ha. I went up to the local BMW dealership once to get a part I ordered and had a nose around the new models. Some younger, mid-20's salesman was walking me through the M2 (the first year models of them). Out of curiosity, from the hype of them being the "new E46", I took it out for a drive and I told him it's just soulless. It was a "nice" car, but it just didn't appeal to me as someone who likes that mechanical rawness. I flipped it back on him asking if he'd ever drove a nice E46 M3. Apparently he'd only moved a few non-M's around the parking area. Gave him the keys to mine for 20 minutes whilst I went to drool over all the fancy Porsches and Astons. When he returned he was like "yeah, I like that a lot".

[@_shreyash_anand]

It is amazing that the E30 is faster than the Toyota GT86. 25 years of suspension technology should equate to at least 2 tenths on this really short track. Not negative 3 tenths

[@HeroManNick132]

Keep in mind that this M3 also has more power too.

[@_shreyash_anand]

@@HeroManNick132 yeah. 18 more. That should absolutely not overcome 20 years of chassis science.

[@dkdanis1340]

Better tires maybe, not tested one after another. Maybe gt86 didn't get the best lap at that moment.

[@KS-gv8jy]

@@_shreyash_anand agreed and in developing the E30 more effort was put in to the chassis and the track cars were already kicking 350 BHP and a 9000 rev limit that's a real E30 M3 the ones sold to the public were purely for entry requirements in the championships

[@chrisredfield3240]

The Toyota is probably much heavier than the E30

[@neildaniel8232]

There's 2 issues that this video brings up: The E30 shows just how ugly the G80 is. The E30 also proves that the modern cars are just too powerful for the open road. I'd take the E30 every single time and I'm not even a BMW fan!

[@Prizm21]

i perosnally think from the rear, bmw have done a great job, but the the front grill is a monstrosity

[@PantaBell]

They are meant to be 200+kmh highway monsters that can take turns with confidence. They are no longer cars that are meant for curvy mountain roads or rallyes. It's a shame but the people that can buy this cars are all beyond their twenties

[@adamqurabi65]

New cars will never capture the magic of the old ones! Have a great weekend guys!

[@carobsessions4707]

That's true old are gem gold with real Enthusiast feeling True drivers joy No kids gizmo's Real men car

[@VladoooThe]

The E46 is the perfect compromise of the 2. Modern enough to be fast, safe and fun, but old enough to be beautiful and still have the old school BMW feel. I had a 2002 330ci on coilovers with a 5 speed and it was such a blast to drive.

[@filcu]

I still have a 2000 330 coupe on coilovers, and I'm not getting rid of it, blast to drive.

[@tracktimevideos5164]

Having owned an e46 M3 no. It was a letdown. Feels gutless, needed mods to handle properly and it was a very unreliable moneypit of a car. Never again.

[@VladoooThe]

@@tracktimevideos5164 sounds like 330 is the answer lol

[@tracktimevideos5164]

@@VladoooThe yes if you want something even slower but with many of the same issues. Crap cars.

[@VladoooThe]

@@tracktimevideos5164 lol crap cars. Sounds like you just don't maintain your cars. I've had 4 old bmws, all with 300k on them (currently drive an e39) and no major issues.

[@LRM12o8]

Never thought I'd say this about a BMW, but the G80 would definitely look much better after a head-on collision! I still can't get over that hideous pig-snout, I just can't look at it and it's so bad that it makes anything else about the car irrelevant to me. RIP BMW... 😢

[@apachehelicopter5001]

Get over it🤣

[@kozzovitch]

Have you ever seen it in real life though? I did not like it at first, but when i saw it in person, it looked much much better.

[@GTAmaniac1]

@@kozzovitch I saw it in person a couple of days ago and all I have to say is the huge nostrils don't look nice at all

[@ThaMythbuster]

But seriously, we need a laptime for that E46, especially if you could get your hands on a CSL. I bet it would be waaaay closer to the F80 than you'd expect considering it has decent power, ABS and great suspension geometry.

[@ChrisCaaa]

Yeah with short straights like this there isn't much scope for the G80 to take advantage of the power differential.

[@thebrelon]

The E36 M3 is not that far from the G80 M3 lap-time-wise, so the E46 M3 should squeeze itself between the 2. Can it go in the 35s?

[@ChrisCaaa]

@@thebrelon Probably not, I think you'd have to look to the next V8 powered generation for that.

[@nightdriver7216]

Hmmm... No. Technology came a long way. It even loses to the E92 GTS (Hockenheim paints a more accurate picture than the Nordschleife).

[@niallykennedy7307]

E30 has far more character!

[@sarlaton1483]

U will say that in 30 years for G30… every M car i car with character

[@XogoWasTaken]

You can't deny that every time they make a new M3 they improve on it's performance, it's just a shame that every time BMW takes a step forwards in speed they seem to take a flying leap backwards in appearance. The G80 is an excellent driving car, but you wouldn't want to be caught dead inside something that looks that much worse than it's competition.

[@ik6104]

BMW should remake the E30 with 21st century kick

[@supraJZA80s]

GT86...

[@Deehydrate]

@@Intelcroa why? People have done it to Jaguar E-type, Aston Martin db5 and a few other cars. So why not?

[@VictorSchofield]

G80 may be faster, but E30 wins our hearts forever!

[@thedarkknight1971]

Having previously had the E30 325i SE, and being a teen in the 80's... I'd still have the E30 M3 all day.... 😎

[@tackycomrade]

“It’s even got drift mode” Yeh and you can do it by turning DSC off

[@Smegheid]

“…it’s always going to be an old car with a four-pot, soft suspension, and slow steering.” Moog and Marty would like a word…

[@FieryWings01]

Gotta love Black Chops!

[@williamhardes8081]

@@FieryWings01 little car with a big donk. the heavens align.

[@TobiasLeininger]

yes, all the E30 is lacking is the correct engine. It was designed as a light and nimble car not max horsepower. Mine has an s38 in it, much fun :D

[@FieryWings01]

@@williamhardes8081 thats exactly what my e46 compact is!

[@aarons4205]

Exactly! E30 with an LS swap and modern suspension > all

[@frs809]

This is basically carwow and Matt but from wish.

[@d33b33]

Heh, those giant Brit front plates cannot hide the buck teeth! BMW finally admitted that "styling" is for the Chinese market. E30 is a car, G80 is a washing machine that does movement instead of laundry. "Where is launch control?" No further questions, your honor. ;)

[@MetalVII]

11:09 Can we just appreciate that the E30 isn’t in last place on the board.

[@adrianrandall2395]

I was surprised it was faster than the Toyota. Made my day.

[@JacobPhillipson]

You should do a vintage or older tire, compared to a new track based tire, would have some really interesting results

[@paulrobinson3528]

trouble is with these sorts of comparisons is that motor technology has moved on more in the last 30 years than it has in the last 90 years before it!!!

[@raynman6466]

Yeah but that's the whole point of these sorts of comparisons....

[@paulrobinson3528]

@CT is infant grade content now I'm not on about quarter miles times or top speeds you plonker. I'm on about technology, (re-read my post) that is in cars now that was not invented 30 years ago. Also look how far cars have come with crash technology to!

[@Andre-xf7tp]

No much since the 90s in japan.. you are comparing an NA car with a Turbo. Turbo Sports Cars from the 90s can kick new cars

[@paulrobinson3528]

@@Andre-xf7tp new cars are fat and ugly compared with 90s cars!!

[@Andre-xf7tp]

@@paulrobinson3528 I agree but i was saying 90s sports cars have some nice tech too, not too diferent from today in some cars

[@BenilJoseph]

Next up Lancer 1.8 vs Evo FQ-400

[@ts.exotics642]

Juicy turbo lag

[@JoseRodriguez-si4kc]

As an E46 M3 owners that ended made me quite happy.

[@zaamburancu2734]

Still unbelievable that the E30 can beat a modern sports car like the 86

[@rsoss92js]

I was totally taken off guard by that. I 100% would have sworn a GT86 would be faster round a track. Really impressive.

[@gjj665j66]

It's a softer version of a DTM car what do you expect

[@TheRealFLX81]

A whole video without mentioning the horrid naked mole rat grille? Geez, that must have cost BMW a pretty penny. Props to Ethan for not vimiting all the time while having to look at this monstrosity.

[@crisl9518]

doesn't look that bad in person. It looks terrible in photos

[@TheRealFLX81]

@@crisl9518 Dude, I ve seen way too many of them already, living in Southern Germany. Eye bleach doesn't suffice to eradicate the horror.

[@crisl9518]

@@TheRealFLX81 yeah its definitely not beautiful, just not that bad especially if it has a darker color. The regular 4 series tho, that does not look better in person. Incredibly ugly front end.

[@lafcadiothelion]

I’d take the E30 any day of the week

[@sleepingwarrior4618]

The stats we all need to know... is how many computers can go wrong on each car? How many sensors does each car have? How many people can actually work on them and how much a clutch will cost you.

[@DaxterL]

and considering it's bmw even the old parts will be costly XD so yeah, also the newer bmw looks horrible, it's the grill mostly, looks like squirrel teeth.

[@sleepingwarrior4618]

@@DaxterL some parts are reasonable...pads are fine, filters are fine, tyres hurt and anything flappy paddle is time for a mortgage.

[@TristanSilverwood]

You could buy two of the new m3's for that e30 nowadays. Stop acting like its the poor man's easily fixable in your garage car anymore

[@dkdanis1340]

Btw if you didn't know it's not 1920s now tech has evolved its super reliable it's more likely for a mechanical part to fail than some computers. New one is super easy to maintain oil filter is in nice location plus you have obd port so you can plug and it will tell everything. And for clutch in automatic g80 well guess what it doesn't have any, for the manual it's super strong and it will last long time and easy to replace. For e30 clutch easy to replace too. And for sensors e30 has lots of sensors ecu, crank sensor, pressure sensor, throttle position sensor, full electronic injection. And g80 has lots of sensors too.

[@sleepingwarrior4618]

@@dkdanis1340 anybody claiming that computers and sensors are reliable is simply a salesman. Not in the real world. Computers and sensors are the blight on modern cars. Flappy paddle DSG clutch setups are wasted on a car (they below on a HGV) and frighteningly expensive when they go wrong. Look at the early Golf and Scirocco repair bills...and Audi are even worse.

[@RedBatRacing]

In 30 years time there wont be a steering wheel, you'll be sitting facing backwards and the car will refuse to do anything so dangerous as driving faster than 5kph when off a designated road.

[@unknownname6519]

Classic bs.. thats what they said 30 years ago..

[@iandarby9804]

It's on its way, were already lemmings the game

[@theodorvalentinghita1779]

That sounds pretty boring

[@gringotom242]

Lol that's exactly what they were saying when I grew up in the 80s.

[@iandarby9804]

@@gringotom242 were already completely enslaved to a mobile phone, it's not far off is it

[@progste]

Stick new suspensions and brakes in the e30 and it will leave that new pig into the dust around corners.

[@KS-gv8jy]

Agreed O and get a GT spec one that's 350hp in a 1200 kg car then see what happens

[@stubee2011]

The E30 was brilliant but as a de-tuned racing car there were some issues when using it as an everyday driver. My two favorite M cars for regular use are actually the E28 & E34 M5s although the E46 is also good.

[@mata2618]

Is that an Oxford green E46? They're rare as hens teeth.

[@Topher7527]

Best e46 color imo.

[@mata2618]

@@Topher7527 With cinnamon leather

[@davidhiscock1969]

Considering the age and technology differences , the E30 has nothing to be ashamed of . Pretty respectable really

[@Da_Osta]

I saw multiple new M3s and M4s and I have to say that I hated it before just based on pictures and videos. It really is better in real life. My conclusion: It needs the Euro style numberplate and it's a beautiful car, just not a photogenic one...

[@ridezosmon2306]

When I was this early, project Phil was still a thing.

[@hutchingjc]

Whenever I see old vs new comparisons I always think back to Gone in 60s when Nicolas Cage goes to the Ferrari dealership.

[@RobJaskula]

Two Rogers don't make a right!

[@elliotbutler9691]

Before I watched this, the E30, after I’ve watched it, still the same view, adore the old BMW’s and always will

[@corollavirus4age]

E30 vs a GT86 would be an interesting challenge

[@joealex65]

It still makes me so mad how good of a car the G80 is but how UGLY they made it with that beaver teeth grille! 🤦‍♂️

[@txcforever]

Yeah, like who thought making the grill that big was a good idea?

[@SuNSe7]

Lets just spare a moment to appreciate the absolute mint condition of the e30 m3... I mean ... IT IS FENOMENAL

[@anon_e34]

Why would you compare the E30 with this trash?

[@someone_03_something]

Trash? Really? The car is perfect kiddo

[@The12thDimension.]

The E30 is such a perfect looking car, all the proportions are bang on and has an undeniable BMW presence. The new one has much better performance but looks like a mess.

[@namelesske]

You can win the race with 6 turbo chargers and awful infotainment screens, but you can't beat the E30 with that ridiculous styling.

[@MotorenWerkeN52]

Newer is always better, always has been, always will be. Anyone who disagrees is resistant to change. I know people who limit themselves to just one generation like the E36/E46. To them I say enjoy the limited mindset because that is all they will ever know. While the rest of us expand and learn and grow 😂 People need a paradigm shift.

[@kuma_score7536]

I would take the E30 M3 any day both for looks and since I would imagine older cars being easier to work on and modify to make a really fun project car

[@unknownname6519]

Well not that easy if you can weld metal propperly... It will just fall apart if not taken care of it

[@PhonesOnaDailyBasis]

Did someone noticed the skate boards came from E30 to G80. So much 🧬

[@stevewaller6577]

When the M3 was launched it was a homologation car for Touring car racing, at the time I liked the look of it but lusted more for 325i Sport with the six pot.

[@NotAMotoVlog]

Need a high-pass filter on that cabin audio

[@andrewcorcoran991]

The E30 is stunning, E46 is the most fun & any after that have had no character.

[@TopiAS06]

and soon someone here is Crying "E92 Is ThE BeSt CuZ iT HaS V8"

[@andrewcorcoran991]

@@TopiAS06 new cars are great if you want to go fast. But they rarely turn heads like the classics do.

[@TopiAS06]

@@andrewcorcoran991 no shit. e30 is car that needs to be driven, 200hp N/A engine that needs reving, in this turbo era, people dont really know how the drive em, they are used to low torq etc. and that car is all about momentum

[@TopiAS06]

@driver seems to me that people really dont get that 30yo age gap.. new car is always new car, old is mostly nostaltic, as a guy who has owned 4 different 30`s, i love em, things like not too light streering etc.

[@zongodurruti7984]

Ask people in 20 years, wich car they remember, or even desire : the E30 or the G80... the E 30 was a motorsport icon. And it looks unique (ok, I like old cars better).

[@Laenaith]

M5 E60 xD

[@madmike5144]

But still i would take e30, when that looks so damn good...

[@casualsuede]

The e30 reminds me of an athlete in top shape. The G80 is like the same athlete stacked with cybernetic implants and chemical inducements. I'd rather have that pure mechanical engineering than artificially enhanced computer programming

[@FootToPedal]

This is a slightly different budget to our E30 vs G20 video xd

[@Tomatoe182]

E46 is the best looking M3! I would quite like a non-Evo, pre 95' E36 M3 for the 'purity' 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@sparky4878]

I’ll take the E30. It doesn’t look like a beaver. New BMWs are hideous.

[@richardcranston1833]

Now turn all the electric aids off and go again. Let's see how much all drivers rely on them, E30 all day.

[@Tu11iy]

Being a licensed racing driver, Alex probably wouldn't struggle much, and the g80 would still be faster.

[@NickyLong89]

@@Tu11iy even though he absolutely locked up the brakes on the E30 😂

[@unistriker]

You guys need to invest in proper timing technology, without this all the times are meaningless. No offence to Ethan. It's a super short lap.. so differences are hard to compare if it's being done manually.

[@veeco3110]

I’m just going to say it now… Ethan has turned into such a AWESOME guy to watch. Genuinely funny stuff

[@georgemorley1029]

The good thing about being five seconds a lap slower in the E30 is you get to spend five seconds more in a legendary car that looks awesome. The good thing about being five seconds faster in the G80 is the opposite; you can finish the lap and get out of that monstrosity five seconds earlier.

[@Froge69]

E30 wins in all our hearts and that's all that matters

[@BTMikeMan]

All this shows to me is that Alex cannot brake for beans. Take away his ABS and he locks the brakes like a Muppet.

[@theneondino]

I'm pretty sure my E30 M3 has ABS. Maybe that's a north American E30 thing.

[@adrianmassey6673]

E30.... Back in the day when BMWs had character and were cool.

[@paulskipp5760]

The real question is, will anything look as good as the E30?

[@2candan1]

This is freaky, just had a thought about getting an E30 3 series and this gets uploaded the next morning

[@craigvalentine1547]

Love my E30. Might be old and a bit rattly but it's fun to drive. Cheap to maintain and plenty you can do to it. As someone said in the comments. No one will remember the new one in 30 years time

[@BigGaines]

I'd say it's worth it my dude! Love my e30

[@TheJadekungfu]

Have the E46 M3 Competition Package (ZCP) go against it, would love to see it.

[@johnmitchell2269]

E30 M3: Too small, 4 cylinder engine, too slow. G80 M3: Too big, too heavy, ugly E36 M3: I like them, but they are all shagged and most are in a right state. Bits falling off, tacky interior. The other three (E46, E9X and F80) are the ones to get imo.

[@jimdcars]

Can we appreciate we’re getting two videos a week from CT now?

[@Gmh6477]

😂 that grille really doesn’t get better the more you look at it…. Infact the more you look the more you laugh.

[@lawrenceostle8632]

I saw a 4 series recently, and I laughed out loud. Who goes into a dealership and spends big on something that ugly?

[@TheBimmerMan]

for me the big grille grown on me. also i think the M3 looks better than the M4 and 4er.

[@colinstu]

Should've found an E30 that has a turbo'd M20/M50/M52/S50/S52. The S14 is cool and all, but it's really long in the tooth.

[@yumyumracing]

Alex, still waiting on you accepting my challenge to a race in a car of your choice vs a car of my choice at any UK track you choose.....

[@jdkap201]

Apparently the ugly G80 front is due to the Chinese market which absolutely loves oversized grills. Well, that leaves memes for Europe then. That E30 is sexy though 👌🏻

[@jameswallace7091]

I could care less how fast it is because it’s fucking beautiful

[@georgemorley1029]

How much more could you care less?

[@jameswallace7091]

@@georgemorley1029 I wouldn’t care if it didn’t even move. I’d keep it in my garden as an ornament

[@DaveRB3248]

This is the first time I’ve ever seen a front plate improve the looks of a car.

[@KS-gv8jy]

Here's the question not which is better but why including BMW try to better the E30 M3 a car designed for the track for professionals ground up only sold due to requirements the E30 makes you a better driver where as new cars you just drive don't hate understand it

[@maddoggmarshall]

The best looking car ever made? I don’t think it breaks into the top 50, and I’m a huge BMW fan!

[@LRM12o8]

I used to like BMW, but since they released that new design language, the brand is dead to me.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

It's not even the nicest looking BMW - the 2002 Turbo kicks its arse! As does the old 3.0 CSL.

[@maddoggmarshall]

@@drunkenhobo8020 the E9 (3.0 CSL shape) is by far the best looking Bimmer

[@Skippyzero]

And in typical bmw style they have a crappy oil line through the alternator mount bracket... that fails because of heat and is about a 3k fix to replace that one gasket.... wow way to go bMw.... that almost makes Chrysler look like a reliable car!!!!

[@GECKOZFTW]

I swear, every new BMW looks disgusting

[@carguyns4348]

The 8 series looks good

[@GECKOZFTW]

@@carguyns4348 Nah, way too chunky

[@xXBigKingIIXx]

Don’t care how much faster the new M3 is, it’s lost all of its character along the way and it’s hideous to look at. I’d choose the E30 in a heartbeat every-time and I’d be proud to be in it, windows down all the way music on. The new M3 you’d have to get the darkest legal tint so no one could see you driving the hideous thing.

[@TJSaw]

The E30 just looks timeless. I’d have that over the G80.