Can A Catholic Be A Freemason? | Made for Glory

Today on Made for Glory, Father Michael Nixon discusses whether or not Catholicism and Freemasonry are compatible.
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[@DylanGames1000]

I used to be a Freemason. I never demitted my membership I simply quit paying my dues and I converted to the Roman Catholic Church. Best decision I ever made. Becoming catholic is the happiest I’ve ever been in my life

[@MarkelBeverley]

Its also cheaper lol

[@user-iq5pv6gy2x]

NO

[@teecee1567]

@Dylan Hey, you can only "convert" to a faith from ANOTHER faith. Freemasonry ISN'T a faith. This leads me to think that you are lying about being a Freemason (because if you were, you'd know it wasn't) or just a little....er.. "simple".

[@teecee1567]

@EndlessSummer If it's a question about Freemasonry, you may ask me.

[@teecee1567]

@EndlessSummer The rituals are not intended to do the things you mention. However, as I don't know a thing about chakras, I cannot say for definite that they do not do that. What I CAN say, is that I have ever experienced "energies" by virtue of taking my Masonic degrees. Every man is free to interpret what he experiences, in any way he wishes, but a VERY general meaning of each of the Degrees are... 1st Degree, Entered Apprentice. The Entered Apprentice Degree represents youth because it teaches the most basic lessons of belief in a God, the necessity of charity to mankind, the importance of truth, and the value of keeping one’s word. 2nd Degree, Fellowcraft. The second degree represents manhood, the middle period of life. During this degree, the importance of education, work, and the awesome power of the deity (whatever god the individual believes in) are taught to the Mason. 3rd Degree, Master Mason. The Master Mason degree represents age. The Brother is encouraged to reflect on his deeds throughout his life and to make peace with his God, because death is a strong theme during this Degree. How we die, is just as important as how we live. How a man is born to this life, lives and dies is the most important messages that the degrees of Masonry convey. I hope I have been of some help.

[@ralph7545]

Thank you Fr Michael, this is helpful.

[@computerchannel5648]

Amazing video Fr Michael 👍🏻 God bless you

[@echoesofmarsmoondragon7600]

A friend of mine encouraged me once to enter or join the Freemason, Eventually, I chose to be a knight of The Knight of Columbus instead. I was born, live, and will die as a Catholic. and Catholic does not support Freemason. #✝️🇵🇭♥️

[@doberman194]

Both of these religions are of the same branch take note of the Catholics apparel, black and white represents light and darkness good and bad ying and yang the Catholic wears black while the pope dresses in white the freemasons checkered flooring also represents this, these guys have stronger ties than you may think, now let's get into gargoyles what are they and what are their purpose? Back in the day only the rich and most respected could enter the church to hears it's service where as the poor outside would have to gather around the church to hear it's Sunday message the Gargoyle is thought to have been placed there to scare the evil spirits, the Gargoyle is carved by the masons the warlock conjures 'summons' the demonic spirit before trapping it into stone just as a spirit can embed itself into a Ouija board same as in stone, they then raise and fit it into its position, so as the poor folk gather round the church to hear it's word rain would fall, pass through the stone and out the mouths of the Gargoyles making them gargle hence the name Gargoyles therefore demonically baptizing them below, just a little something I have picked up 😉

[@firstbornunicorn6619]

There are so many spiritual tools available to us as Catholics. I've studied the occult a lot, and I've realized Catholicism offers what I'm really looking for.

[@jj_mgtow1755]

Your an idiot . The Vatican and Catholicism Is pagan to core ☀️ SUN WORSHIPING

[@ctribe100]

The Catholic religion uses pagan rituals, dates, and ceremonies stemming back to Egypt/Rome/Babylon. Their church is very dark. They took commandments out of the Bible and changed the Bible as well. Priests who stood up for Christianity were all tortured and murdered by the Catholic church. They are idol worshippers, they talk to and worship the dead, pagan idols and statues, use satanic symbols. They hide sex offenders, etc. As many priests have said through the decades, "the devil is in the Catholic church".They worship and follow men, not God. "Call no man under heaven Father" ~Matthew 23:9 Jesus warns us about these evil, ungodly Pharisees who steal from their people. He calls them vipers.

[@andrewrehnert4997]

Short, concise, and right to the point, thank you for clarifying that.

[@DisobedientSpaceWhale]

Freemasons also believe you can have a personal relationship with God if that is what your religion teaches you.

[@handgunner1911]

@Will Derby call it what you will its a religion its luciferian and i dont want to hear any bullshit that its not i come from a family with a long histroy of it i myself have no part in it.i know what high ranking freemasons are involved in .the catholic church has been compromised by masonry.the three religions of the book have been compromised by masonry .most important a freemason will never tell you the truth their allegiance is to their brotherhood not profane people .they support the new world order they are a part of the new world order etc secret societies and submersive movements run this world behind the scenes all the worlds a stage.people need to know by no means are they the friend of freedom low level masons dont have a clue so they wont believe it and fact is most masons do not go past the third degree,masonry is like government compartmentalized and a need to know basis.

[@TheRealist2022]

@@handgunner1911 Good morning Illuminated One. Your post is typical of many here who really have fallen for a hoax perpetrated around 130 years ago. So many people repeat the allegations that the hoax made.. but they FORGET to mention that the guy who pulled the hoax.... admitted it was all crap and he did it to make a fool of the church (with whom he had issues!)... and so many people listen to so many more and so on... but nobody actually QUESTIONS what they are told. Now it;s fun to believe in mystery and conspiracy... but the line has to be drawn. We do really great work around the world.. the world would indeed be a much darker place without us. Instead of just watching a video which presents various things over which you have no control, I invite you to ask me anything you like on Freemasonry. We are so incredibly open, you will not believe it. If you would prefer, I'll also give you my email if you prefer to ask in private. [e-mail]

[@TheRealist2022]

​@Zachary Trent Good morning Zachary. Please forgive the late response. You are misinformed. You say that Freemasonry allows anyone who believes in a higher being to become a member. This is incorrect on two fronts. For example, some people consider Satan to be a higher being. This does not qualify anyone to join, as Satan did not create the universe. That is the qualification of a higher being in Freemasonry. The higher being a man believes in must be responsible for the creation of the universe. This belief is the PRIMARY requirement, but not the only one. An applicant to join, must also be of mature age, must be free from criminal convictions, must be able to afford the fees and must have the support of his family. This gets him as far as an interview. If the man goes to interview and he passes that, he is, in a lot of constitutions, visited at home, to give his other half the chance to ask any questions they may have...on their own turf! If all is well, then a date for Initiation is decided. So you see why your original thinking is incorrect. You then go on to claim "classical liberalism". We prefer to call it tolerance. It is a requirement for all Masons to respect the beliefs of others, without necessarily sharing them. I have been to meetings and dined afterward with men who, normally, would be considered mortal enemies. Catholic and Protestant, Sunni and Shia, Arab and Jew. All met as equals and friends in fellowship, trust and respect. No beliefs are ever compromised. This is the only place on the planet where this happens. I completely agree, when you say some Christians and in particular Catholics do not tolerate this. But this is not so for ALL who have those religions... only the extreme ones. I know of many many Christians and even a healthy number of Catholics who could be considered devout, but their interpretation of our society is obviously different to the more hard nosed, "in your face" religious zealots that we see here. It is my contention that we exhibit tolerance, where those that would have us sent down to eternal damnation exhibit bigotry. None of us are perfect. Unfortunately the people I have just mentioned, in their complete and total arrogance, think they are. It is possible that some Masons have been behind revolution. But revolution is not necessarily a bad thing. Each case must be taken on it's merits. However, please do not make the mistake that Freemasonry is the same the world over. It is not. Freemasonry, as per the United Grand Lodge of England, the worlds oldest United Grand Lodge, has laid down a series of principles and tenets, the adherence to which, is a requirement to form another Grand Lodge of REGULAR Freemasons. There are several bodies round the world, now and in history who have CLAIMED that they were Freemasons but have not adhered to our rules.... therefore, they are NOT Freemasons. I suspect it is these men to whom you refer. However, not being a Freemason, it is completely understandable that you did not know about what we call the "pseudo-Masons of this world. Here is a list of all the Grand Lodges n the world that CAN be called "Freemasons". www.ugle.org.uk/about-us/foreign-grand-lodges

[@TheRealist2022]

@Stuart Tyler Nope.. he didn't. He was going on about the Press association. And we didn't kill JFK. 1. It is against the law to murder someone. Freemasons pledge to uphold the law of the country they find themselves in. 2. JFK had nothing to do with us anyway...so there would be no point in us killing him. 3. Don't you think it's mega-hypocritical of JFK to denounce secrecy when he himself had numerous SECRET affairs with lots of women behind his wife's back?

[@TheRealist2022]

@Stuart Tyler Hi Stuart and thanks for the response. Once again, you are incorrect. The number of black balls (sometimes cubes!) which may bar a Candidate from entry, varies from Lodge to Lodge. Rule No. 165 in the United Grand Lodge of England's "Book of Constitutions" says THREE black balls will deny admittance, but a Lodge may make it less if it so desires. Here's the proof. Rule 165.. page 85. www.ugle.org.uk/about-us/book-of-constitutions It also says a Lodge may decide itself when a Candidate may reapply. Ya see? OPEN! You can look up our rules! Freemasons don't "offer" to propose. A Candidate must ask us to join.. we do not invite anyone. Wrong again, Stuart. It's true that we do not allow anyone who is not a Mason to attend our meetings...but that's true of any business meeting of any group. Do you think you could just wander know to the HQ of your bank, say and tell them you were going to attend their board meeting? They'd sling you out, and rightly so. Of course, we do have "white table" events where anyone may attend. And then, of course, our social functions are attended by Mason and non-Mason alike.. men... women.. kids... the more the merrier. We don't run a Shriners hospital. there are TWENTY TWO hospitals! If we were just doing it as a front, do you REALLY think we'd have so many? Did you know that Freemasons Hall, the HQ of the United Grand Lodge of England, is open to the public? We run free tours of the entire place, several times a day, most days of the year? For ANYONE.. not just Masons. You may even visit our shop and buy our ritual books, bibles, regalia, jewellery etc. I'm puzzled though.. Why would we lie about this? What would be the purpose? I most certainly will not call you..I live in England, young man! Think of the cost! However, I am more than happy to converse by email. [e-mail]

[@_Gaby_950]

Happy Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Thank you for this. Church Militant did a pretty good investigative piece as well 👍. Pax.

[@Thedrillingman1]

no that guy was a Nazi.. the Nazis persecuted Mason's along with Jews and are not supporters of the fraternity because it welcomes men if all Faith's.

[@_Gaby_950]

@@Thedrillingman1 But Breivik was a Freemason all the same. He had legitimate membership and you can find pictures of him in Mason regalia to prove it. He was only excluded _after_ the murders. So if his membership does not apparently taint Freemasonry as a whole, then neither does the membership of sinners taint Catholicism.

[@Thedrillingman1]

@@_Gaby_950 no evidence he was a member of a lodge. so you'd be incorrect. the background checks for sanctioned lodges are extensive.

[@Thedrillingman1]

@@_Gaby_950 post a link to the said pictures Nazis .. like Catholics have a Fraternal Order that plagiarizes masonry. Mormons did the same.

[@_Gaby_950]

@@Thedrillingman1 Sure, find it here: www.zersetzung.org/mind-control/mc-research-docs/80-freemason-norwegian-shooter-anders-breivik-was-mind-controlled And this Freemason website: freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2011/07/norwegian-terror-suspects-masonic.html?m=1 They admit that Breivik was a member of their lodge in Norway.

[@chriswhiting9528]

Let’s dispell this myth that freemasonry isn’t a religious organisation. It’s no secret that freemasonry is absolutely steeped in religion. The reason existing religions cannot be mentioned in a lodge (one of its rules) is on the basis that you cannot raise anything that may cause division amongst fellow masons as everything is about peace and harmony in the lodge. So yes you are free to practice your religion in private outside the lodge. That said the ritual content is almost entirely religious and biblically based. Basically it is a religion that allows you to practice other religions on the side. The rituals and content of freemasonry are not just centred around a god but specifically centred around the Judeo-Christian god and the Abrahamic tradition. Masons take oaths to their fellow masons and to god and a Catholic should only ever be under oath to god and Christ in the correct manner. I’m currently on an RCIA course training to become a Catholic and I’m currently finding it difficult to co-exist as a (potential) Catholic and as a Freemason. It’s bloody hard as the more you look into it I think if you are a full blown Freemason you can’t be a devout Catholic and vice versa. It’s not a case of them hating each other but the facts are simple that they are not compatible. Something has to give - freemasonry is (and this is no secret) an alternative and moral / allegorical interpretation of the Old Testament and some later degrees are exclusive to Christians as they go into the New Testament. It says it isn’t a religion in order to attract more members and promote the brotherly camaraderie as its biggest selling point but it absolutely is a religion unto itself. I have no problems with Freemasons (I still am one at time of writing) or catholics I just feel that if you are true to yourself you cannot honestly say that you can be both without following one of those paths dishonestly. As a Catholic Christian you have to follow canon law and the prescriptions of the magisterium (it’s not a pick and choose this isn’t a choice) which are occasionally at odds with freemasonry. A Catholic has to follow their faith in a specific and traditional way and freemasonry is effectively making you worship and make oath’s and commitments in a way which isn’t compliant with the Catholic faith. Protestant or any other denomination is fine but Catholicism is defined from the rest due to its strict and deeply rooted traditional code of conduct (including a papal ban on freemasonry btw) so personally I find it difficult to identify as both a Catholic and a Freemason which is the difficult situation I find myself in now where soon on completion of my RCIA I am going to have to make a difficult choice as one cannot take both paths and follow them properly and faithfully.

[@raysonraypay5885]

Amen

[@toma3447]

Jesus loves you. I just have one question for you. Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?

[@mikehess6261]

You're not a Freemason. Good try, you've obviously read and studied publicly available information, but based on what you wrote...... you're not a Freemason and never have been.

[@Harlemworldboy]

You are absolutely wrong.

[@Lion-Heart7]

Masonry is not a religion. And the Church is threatened by it because of the level of belief in liberty. Period. Just like JP Morgan does not like cryptocurrency... but they mine bitcoin. Same thing. Decentralized is always the best answer.

[@jvhamby5]

The problem the church has wrong about masonry is that it is not a religion nor does it promote salvation. That’s each masons choice to handle personally within their individual respective belief system. Freemasonry is a fraternal order. Not a religious order as is the church. There are two rules Freemasons must abide by when in lodge assembly. You can’t discuss religion or politics. Let that sink in. To violate either thing can get a mason kicked out of masonry.

[@JamesBond-lj6ms]

I’m not catholic so idk why I’m here

[@payatntall]

clown LFMAO

[@crobeastness]

you should be catholic

[@johnmacaroni7028]

James Bond > Jesus Christ

[@jezebelle137]

Howdy, Jesus loves you!

[@Skaggs666]

I’m here because I am joining the Masons. Just wanted to see what the church thought of the organization.

[@donaldmoser7732]

If Free Masonry is so secretive, how do you claim to know so much?

[@DisobedientSpaceWhale]

Ha ha very good point!!

[@teecee1567]

@Donald Moser But Freemasonry ISN'T secretive. That's just what the conspiracy theorists will tell you. Have you ever met a Freemason?

[@DisobedientSpaceWhale]

@@teecee1567 I think he's saying that as well, that's his point

[@donaldmoser7732]

@@DisobedientSpaceWhaleThanks, Tony I can be facetious when people make uneducated assumptions based on ignorance.

[@ctribe100]

Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@austin_l]

So getting together once a month to eat some spaghetti and stay in touch with others from town and talk about work and what not is wrong?

[@ctribe100]

Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@G.Washington]

38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ - Matthew 22: 38-39 (NRSVCE)

[@raysonraypay5885]

If you love me you would keep my commandments -God

[@JAKFLY28]

Nothing more loving than telling the truth

[@bespoke6719]

The Vatican is completely wrong on this. No matter what anyone says Freemasonry is not a religion. I'm a 32nd degree mason...

[@ctribe100]

Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@nicholashaas5574]

Lol just go be a Protestant.

[@T_dog1]

No, you're the one who's wrong

[@zxylo786]

​@@T_dog1Ignorant

[@raymondfranklin348]

The reason for the papal decree against Freemasonry is because the Church regarded the Lodge as a hotbed of liberalism and democracy. Remember, the 17th and 18th centuries were a time of great political and social upheaval. Both the Church and monarchies were invested in a specific social and political structure in which they maintained exclusive control. Freemasonry and other pro-democratic institutions were regarded as threat to those power structures. With all do respects father, you may wish to do further research on the topic. Theology was not to motivation for the papal ban; rather it was to eliminate opposition to monarchy and church socio-political power.

[@donkeylife4281]

the condemnation if for other reasons

[@Judge_Jej]

Hell is a democracy

[@raymondfranklin348]

Well papal opinion is not the same as canon law. It is not law that Catholics can not belong to the Order.

[@kaiseitamahagane]

Hi Fr. Michael, Greetings of peace to you and everyone. Respectfully, I would like to point out a few things I think are incorrect regarding what Freemasonry is and is not. Here are some points that may show that, credit to Brother Shawn Bell for most of this compilation. I'm not an expert in Canon Law, there are some points in his original compilation that was stated regarding that. If you have questions regarding masonry please ask a mason for he would know. Again, peace be with all of you and God bless. - Freemasonry does not hold or offer any redemptive or salvific value. It is a FRATERNITY, NOT A RELIGION. - Freemasonry requires belief in a Supreme Being. Thus if a brother is Hindu then his god is Brahma, if a brother is practicing Islam then his God is Allah, for me, my God is our Lord God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The most holy Trinity. He is not a distant God but a personal one that works in our life every single moment (insert Nicene Creed). In a nutshell, we respect each other's religion. - Freemasonry does not impede any member to practice his own religion to the fullest. It's a FRATERNITY not a RELIGION. - Freemasons do not discuss religion or politics among each other . It's all kept personal. - There is no "historical" requirement in Freemasonry that members be Christian. - There's no such thing as a "true Freemason." - There's no "she" in Freemasonry; Freemasonry is a social fraternity. It's not a sorority. Only men can join the fraternity. - Freemasonry is a social fraternity, not a religion. It takes no position regarding religion, other than the member must believe in a Supreme Being. That ain’t heresy. - Freemasonry at no time has ever held that “all gods in all religions are the same god.” Freemasonry, being a social fraternity and all, isn’t a religion. - Freemasonry isn’t a secret society. - Freemasonry doesn’t “pledge” to keep “their internals” (whatever THAT is) secret “even in confession.” There’s no such pledge, there’s no “internals” and confession is for sin, not for “internals.” - Freemasonry doesn’t in any way, shape, or form deny Christ’s supremacy. Why? Because it’s a FRATERNITY not a RELIGION. - Freemasonry doesn’t teach anything at all about all gods being equal. Why? Because it’s a FRATERNITY not a RELIGION. - Freemasonry doesn’t care WHICH religions doesn't believe in Christ as the Son of God. Why? Because it’s a FRATERNITY not a RELIGION. - Freemasonry doesn’t have a god, so it doesn’t call “their god” anything. Why? Because it’s a FRATERNITY not a RELIGION. - Freemasons strive to be better versions of themselves, improve one's own character and attitude. Good men striving to be better. Brotherly Love Every true Freemason will show tolerance and respect for the opinions of others and behave with kindness and understanding to his fellow creatures. Relief Freemasons are taught to practice charity and to care, not only for their own, but also for the community as a whole, both by charitable giving, and by voluntary efforts and works as individuals. Truth Freemasons strive for truth, requiring high moral standards and aiming to achieve them in their own lives. Freemasons believe that these principles represent a way of achieving higher standards in life.

[@_meh_whatever]

Thank you for the time you took to write this. Would you mind answering some questions? I'm always curious about these things. Am I right in understanding Lodges abide by the Anderson's Constitutions of 1723? If so, a) In Article I. Concerning God and Religion: "(...) tis now thought more expedient only to oblige them to that Religion in which all Men agree(...)". What is the Religion all Men agree? I understood any eligible person could join regardless of their religion as long as they don't talk about it, so what is this Religion all Men will agree to? b) Still on article I, "(...) leaving their particular Opinions to themselves; that is, to be good Men and true, or Men of Honour and Honesty, by whatever Denominations or Persuasions they may be distinguish’d; whereby Masonry becomes the Center of Union". Am I to understand that Masonry becomes the Center of Union over your religion, so say, Masonry principles are above Christ or other religion principals? And if this universal brotherhood is the Center of Union and not Christ and His Church, it suggests Freemasonry offers a different path so that would explain why Pope Leo the 13th said a Catholic excommunicates himself when taking this vows, for one can not serve two Masters. c) In Article VI.2 BEHAVIOR after the LODGE is over and the BRETHREN not GONE: "(...)we being only, as Masons, of the Universal Religion above mention’d (..) and are resolv’d against all Politics, as what never yet conduct’d to the Welfare of the Lodge, nor ever will.". What is this Universal Religion? It seems this Universal Religion is subordinating you religion, nation's laws, etc Once again, thank you :)

[@kaiseikurosaki3605]

@@_meh_whatever Greetings! To give you the shortest and most direct answer. Am I right in understanding Lodges abide by the Anderson's Constitutions of 1723? No, each grand lodge has its own constitution which in turn is trickled down to all the lodges under its jurisdiction. Just like any fraternity. I believe the bullet points provided are pretty much sufficient to answer the subsequent questions that you posted. Hope that helps. Be well and God bless.

[@user-rz2dr3it3u]

It is important to note that the Declaration of the Holy See states that they are in a state of grave sin, and cannot approach holy communion. This is very serious for Catholics. And it is the official word of the Church on the question,Freemasonry professes the conception of God called "deist", that is, the one that natural reason can achieve; it admits the religion on which all men agree, leaving to each one his particular opinions. This notion of God and religion is vague and at odds with Christian thought, which recognizes Jesus Christ and the great truths revealed by Him

[@dokidelta1175]

But is this not undoubtably correct? Natural (diestic) religion is the absolute farthest point into spirituality one might reach by means of reason alone. After all, our faith as Christians was not stumbled upon by means of reason, but rather was revealed by divine providence. We all ought to agree on that. As someone who is interested in both Catholicism and Freemasonry, but as of yet is affliliated with neither, I fail to see the incompatibility between the two (other than the fact that the Church forbids it).

[@newtonia-uo4889]

Freemasonry is satanic, freemasons may or may not be

[@trentp8035]

I'm a freemason, it literally is a fraternity. We swear on the Holy Bible. So for a "natural" religion, we are really bad at it. Furthermore, the only reason the Catholic church doesn't like Freemasonry is because it promotes free thought and anti-monarchism. At one time the Church was a Kingdom, so they've kept their mislead beliefs about Masonry. I am a devout Catholic, but on this subject I think the church needs to educate itself. I've never made an oath to anyone but my God as I know him, and for the lunatics who are about to say I just haven't made it to the higher degrees, just stop and bounce off the internet. You need lives.

[@MyLawrence04]

So our Freemason is nothing else but sanathani pegan worship

[@bamezola]

we are not a secret society, we are a society that has secrets big difference. Secondly i am and i also know many that are Catholics and also Masons. Masonry is not a religion and is open to anyone in any other religion. you MUST have a belief in a being ( God ) higher than yourself to be a Mason. if you are atheist you cannot join. we do not teach religion we teach and support Morals and good will all based on the open Bible. i see absolutely no reason for any conflict of interest.

[@G.Washington]

Also, Cannon Law has never and still does not state Catholics who become Masons are excommunicated.

[@pskauto6798]

SMIB

[@josephchapman9575]

You cannot support morals in any meaningful way unless you discriminate between creeds.

[@raysonraypay5885]

Don’t forget about the great commission

[@crobeastness]

when freemasonry started, they declared themselves mortal enemies of the catholic church.

[@brockedwardsmusic]

As someone who doesn't necessarily agree with this stance I appreciate the fact you didn't overly sensationalize your explanation

[@JGAstaiza]

No. Our Church has condemned masonry, socialism and sodomy.

[@ctribe100]

You can share the truth. This video changed my life. Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@raysonraypay5885]

The just shall live by faith (in Jesus)

[@cjralson]

Question…what about if they were a Freemason prior to converting to Catholicism?

[@juncatv]

Dude don't worry. The father doesn't know what he is talking about.

[@ctribe100]

Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@TheRealist2022]

@gabrielstrong3212 You were right to leave Freemasonry. Stay with the Catholic church. We don't want morons in Freemasonry.

[@hawktuner11]

Dude, I'm not sure what lodge you were raised in, but you are way off!

[@adipocere3340]

Freemasonry is not a religion, I respect you for sticking by your religion and keeping loyal to your faith whilst keeping civil although you and others could be better informed. God Bless, Father.

[@angelosedacca1940]

In its earliest constitution, it is described as a “religion on which all men can agree”

[@OGamputee]

When a large group of people “worship” something and its doctrine..it’s absolutely a religion.

[@teecee1567]

@@angelosedacca1940 The ONLY constitution that matters, is the Anderson Constitution from 1723. This has set out the principles and tenets of REGULAR Craft Freemasonry the world over. My feeling is that the word "religion" is used here in it's loosest sense. I would say that is used, say, in the same context as when a guy says his "religion" is football....in other words, a thing of which one cares deeply.

[@mirapilates]

There are many Freemason lodges in Italyy. This is surprising as Italy is a largely Catholic. How are they are to do this?

[@teecee1567]

@Steve L. Freemasonry in Italy has two facets... the official (or Regular) and unofficial (or Irregular) The Regular Grand lodges are the Grand Orient of Italy and the Regular Grand Lodge of Italy. Any other "Masonic Group, isn't Masonic at all (and is termed irregular) even though they call themselves Freemasons.

[@landryalexander7902]

(2/2) the church of England is tied to the United Grand Lodge of England. The ban os not based on God's Word but based on history and human resentment.

[@teecee1567]

@landryalexander7902 Wrong. The United Grand Lodge of England, the premier Grand Lodge of the entire planet, is SECULAR. We are NOT a religious organisation. We are NOT tied to any particular faith or religious organisation.

[@zewk9395mgk]

Is that a no or a yes? I have a few freemason friends and I'm considering filling out a petition, I was raised catholic by my parents. With that being said, will my petition be revoked or declined? I believe in god no doubt. I understand that most masons wont discuss religion or politics. I just want to be sure.

[@dedodude100]

Your petition won't be revoked. Their is nothing in Freemasonry that will make you a bad Catholic. Religion is not discussed but you do need to believe in a higher power. We allow individuals to worship how they please but encourage them to be dedicated to their chosen belief and holy book. Feel free to message me if you have questions. I am a catholic and a Freemason.

[@johnmacaroni7028]

dedodude100 > Once not that long along ago you were banned from being a member of freemasonry.

[@johnmacaroni7028]

dedodude100 > So you are a Catholic And A Freemason. Aren't their any conflicting issues at all.

[@dedodude100]

@@johnmacaroni7028 not in my experience.

[@pyosomemore6383]

Worship God not yourself

[@dogcowrph]

Catholic men. Join the Knights Of Columbus.

[@hikerjimo]

That is too bad. I know of one Catholic Priest that is a Freemason and have met a former Priest as a Freemason as well. Cardinal Cushing used to associate himself with the local Grand Lodge. This Grand Lodge would make frequent donations to the Cardinal's charities. It is hypocritical for the church to condemn such an organization but still to take in their contributions.

[@TheRealist2022]

@Jim O. Indeed. Such a hypocritical organisation.

[@papabear463]

This hurts me as a Freemason. I want to be catholic and there is so much disinformation about Freemasons. All we do is help our fellow man. We all have a belief and closeness to god. If people want to talk about me and my brothers being secretive then the Vatican must open is faults and let us see every book

[@vykyngbla4772]

So basically, you can be a freemason if you are Catholic, but you cannot in turn be a Catholic if you are a freemason? I knew my religion is rigid and dogmatic, but wow lol. Why are so many of the people associated with the faith in which I was baptized so close minded. I've even had Catholic priests tell me to not take the bible word for word, and that it is more of a guidebook on how to live; I mean there is the belief that Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins, but mainly the bible as a whole, especially the old testament, can easily be misinterpreted or misunderstood. How does charity work, secret hand shakes, and acceptance of all mankind no matter religion or creed equate to casting out of all Catholic beliefs? Cmon guys

[@johnmacaroni7028]

Ahras Opius > Jesus Christ

[@michaelwren5276]

We are not a secret society. We are not a religion. Those statements are incorrect.

[@CatholicBossHogg]

And you're not a catholic

[@michaelwren5276]

Not anymore

[@raysonraypay5885]

Lol “we”

[@michaelwren5276]

@@raysonraypay5885 spoken like some who doesn't understand masonry at all. But to each their own.

[@visionforbitcoin8436]

we are not we without you .

[@CraigCall]

There appear to be some flaws in your arguments. I may understand this to be how you view Freemasonry as it relates to yourself, but as it is not a religion nor does it preach any dogma or plan of salvation in relation to God, to say that it teaches its members something about God that the Church does not teach is false. Regarding the nature of God, He is frequently referenced as the Father of mankind. That seems to me to be very much in line with Catholic teaching. God is called the Great Architect of the Universe in Freemasonry. From my reading of Genesis, that appears to be an apt title for Him who planned and created all things and seems in harmony with Church teachings. In Freemasonry, rather than exhort brothers to adhere to any one form of belief in God's nature, quality, attributes, or personality, brothers are taught to pursue learning and to come to know and understand God better as we strive to live our individual beliefs. Personally, I would feel that an organization that encourages its members to become better members of the church to which they would belong would complement the Catholic church as it would encourage brothers to learn and grow inside of their own religions. From everything I have experienced in Freemasonry and from what I know about Catholicism, it would seem to be that they are very compatible, yet it appears that many of the reasons that Freemasonic association is prohibited in the Church are more historical than theological. Which, if that is the case, is fine if it acknowledged as such. But many of the points presented seem to attack a belief that is not espoused by Freemasons or that is a mischaracterization of the tenets of Freemasonry. Without an accurate understanding of the underlying beliefs or practices or goals of each group, it seems that some criticisms or teachings about Freemasonry and the catholic church may not be logically or spiritually sound. If I have made any incorrect assumptions about the Catholic church beliefs or doctrines, please correct me so that we can have an open and honest communication about the subject. I recognize that there may be doctrines for which I am unfamiliar that may discount the ability of a man from joining the fraternity from a religious point of view, but the reasons listed in this video do not seem to be adequate to explain why Catholics cannot become masons. Again, if I incorrect in what I have presented here or if there is additional information regarding some practice or doctrine of the Church, please correct me so that we can better understand each other. Thank you!

[@josephchapman9575]

If it is devoted to the moral development of a person then it must discriminate between creeds

[@CraigCall]

@@josephchapman9575 I don't quite follow. Can you elaborate and explain how you come to that conclusion and the base assumptions and definitions used in your reasoning?

[@jvhamby5]

I agree with you. There is no real reasoning behind the arguments made about Freemasonry being a religion. It is not a religion

[@noeldoyle4501]

When it is time for a little bird to leave the nest it is a frightening challenge, because it might fall to the ground or be killed by a predator. The young bird must leave the nest or die, we educated people are in the same predicament, the point has come when we know more than enough to fly and we must bravely move from an academic knowledge of truth to a personal meeting with Truth, it must be done if our spiritual life is to continue. " The leap of faith " you might say. We can be a great Freemason spiritual scholar to the very end of our lives or a great Catholic spiritual scholar to the very end of our lives , the vast difference being that the Freemason knows much about God, and the Catholic knows much about God and also knows God personally, which is a billion times better. I hope helps you on your journey. Best wishes.

[@CraigCall]

@Tslav TV Wow! I have never heard so many wrong things said one after another!

[@payatntall]

I'm a freemason, and I love Catholicism, been struggling with that

[@kaiseitamahagane]

@Peter Burtch and @Acosido Fraternal greetings to you both. It is unfortunate that a lot of people have misconceptions regarding the craft. To put a spin on one saying 2KnowTheRealdealAsk1 well, in this case, ask one to know the real deal regarding it. I made a reply to his video. May peace and harmony prevail.

[@crobeastness]

they oppose each other. specifically, the goal of freemasons is to infiltrate society and the catholic church and become their figureheads. they also believe in universalism where it doesn't matter what religion you belong to because they all pray to the same god. being a freemason is the antithesis to being catholic

[@johnmacaroni7028]

Acosido > You Cannot Serve Two Master's.. Believe in Jesus only.

[@dedodude100]

@@johnmacaroni7028. You cannot follow the pope then. Because you cannot serve two masters. Masons don't serve another master. I have no clue what this means.

[@quaintcatholiccottage183]

If you love Catholicism then leave freemasonry

[@Northshoremafia]

We are not evil

[@Invading-Specious]

you can also be yourself and be good, and cool and have hope for the beter anyways.

[@Invading-Specious]

just follow Good.

[@pipigate8046]

No freemasonry is not a religion in fact encourages one to have a religion it's a way of life. I am not catholic nor a mason However my family members on both sides were freemasons in the catholic church and the Lutheran church.

[@lukepaugh162]

And that is where the catholic church has always been wrong, freemasonry is not a religion, in fact masonry accepts members of many religions including Christianity, it only seems to be Christian churches that take issue with masonry despite the fact that masonry exists to form lasting bonds of brotherhood, take good men and inspire them to make themselves better. Bring men closer to their god, whomever that man may worship, and foster honesty and loyalty.

[@keenen4740]

Not True! Freemasonry is not a religion and the bible is rule and guide of all our works.

[@ctribe100]

Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@sidgdansk6017]

oh yes it is.

[@jamesc5950]

We’re not a religion and if we were a secret society, respectfully Father, you and the rest of the world wouldn’t know of us

[@ctribe100]

We don't. But this mand does. Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@Ianjcarroll]

100% correct 👍

[@michaelciccone2194]

What about priests and Cardinals that promote LQBTXYZ agenda. ? They aren't silenced. Here in NYC...Archdiocese of NY allows LQBTXYZ gatherings. They are allowed to teach and endorse the LQBTXYZ lifestyle. I am not a Freemason. Very sad how RCC has gone a different road on so many matters. I think you would be surprised how many RCC Cardinals, Bishops and priests and laity are 32nd degree Scottish Rite members...

[@rebn8346]

The Church has never changed. God doesn't change. No matter how many betray Christ with the Kiss of Judas, publically or privately, He is unchanging Truth. The Church can only teach what He taught. Are there bad men in the Church? Yes. They can spout their scandalously opinions, but they can never change Christ and His teachings. We were warned long ago that this would happen.

[@ctribe100]

Yes! Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@user-rz2dr3it3u]

Therefore, the Negative Judgment of the Church regarding Masonic Associations has not changed, because its principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church; consequently, membership of them remains prohibited by the Church. The faithful belonging to Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and cannot approach holy communion

[@richardgreiner9264]

The mayor of my city is both .

[@Woodwind58]

Imagine a man that has countless peers who have abused innocent children, and superiors who have covered it up, criticizing an organization he literally knows nothing about. That organization is based on Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth. Do we really want to have a frank discussion about who is living in mortal sin and who is not worthy of receiving hoy communion let alone handing out the Body of Christ. What a shameful video.

[@teecee1567]

@Woodwind58 Although the abuse of children is shocking in the extreme... these inhumane acts are carried out by a tiny minority of clergy. Please do not tar all clergy with the same brush. Yes, our Craft is based on brotherly love, relief and truth... but there are some Masons, thankfully few, who I would cross the street to avoid.

[@abrahamphilip6439]

Naturalistic religion is Nature making God instead of God making Nature, amounts to worship of the created instead of the Creator.

[@CatholicBossHogg]

No

[@aamersyedparsai3411]

freemasonry doesn't discriminate peoples faith, ur free to believe what u want, freemasonry is a principle of constructing one's self being in a good and discipline way

[@paddirishman]

Well siad

[@Karlaestefaniar]

That may be true, but at least a Catholic can’t be part of something that contradicts Church teaching. I just had a very strong argument with my dad about this and his ideas of Catholicism have been so twisted by his masonic conceptions.

[@josephchapman9575]

Then it is nonsense. Since the religious establishments cannot all be correct, it follows that a fraternity devoted to developing the human person's moral and spiritual flourishing that DOESN'T discriminate between creeds is not fulfilling its purpose. The first item is to know the questions. The second is to admit that they have right answers.

[@mathurm100]

freemasons accept generational curses on their family as part of their initiation. at higher orders they acknowledge dedication to lucifer. on the surface it sounds like what you're saying but dig deeper. it's INCREDIBLY diabolical. at one point in history the freemasons erected a statue of lucifer in the vatican. there's a clear and distinct reason that catholics are prohibited from joinint.

[@raysonraypay5885]

Doesn’t make it GOOD

[@Susieq26754]

You cannot follow religious ritual or follow the freemasons to be close to God. JESUS SAYS FOLLOW ME! He wants a RELATIONSHIP with you. He wants your heart. The Bible tells about a rich young ruler who wanted to know what Jesus required to become a disciple. Jesus told him to go and sell everything he had and give it to the poor and then to follow Him. The rich young ruler could not do it because he loved his wealth more. He went away sad. Jesus then told his disciples that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, rather than a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. He threw out the money changers at the temple, because they were making money off people's sins.

[@earlnovero8208]

I'm really confused to our heroes and patriot in my country because majority of them are mason and Catholic too I'm proud and I inspired to them it's wrong to inspired to them?

[@occamsrayzor7999]

Jose Rizal and Marcelo del Pilar renounced freemasonry and returned to the Church days before they died. There was no question about Marcelo del Pilar but there's an entire controversy about Rizal's. Rizal's retraction exists in the archives of the office of the Manila archbishop & most historians like Ambeth Ocampo agree that it is authentic. Their renouncing of freemasonry does not take away from their heroism and only further shows it by choosing to be good Catholics in the end.

[@363catman]

The points raised by the church do exist. BUT and this is where it gets complicated, every Grand Lodge is completely independent of every other Grand Lodge. They only recognize each other on a GL by GL basis by mutual agreement. And that agreement can be withdrawn by either GL There are places in the world where masonic bodies do engage in ideological and even political activities that other GL refuse to have relations with them for those very reasons. In many cases for the same objections the church has (including admitting athiests). In other parts of the world you would be expelled from the masons for holding such views or participating in such activity.

[@TheRealist2022]

The ones that do not engage in religious or political activities are REGULAR Lodges... ie the "official" ones. The ones that DO are called "Irregular" and are not Masons... they just call themselves that.

[@363catman]

@Realist The well., regularity and mutual recognition are two different things. For example there are regular GL's in the US that do recognize the Grand Orient of France,, there are other regular GL in the US that do not (most refusing to do so as GOofF does not require belief in a Supreme Being) [SIDE NOTE: This is where it started - and whenever you find hostility to religion the GL's lineage always goes back to France】. I asked our now deceased Bishop about 30 years ago about this because I had a really tough time trying to connect the dots and make sense of the church's position relevant to what I saw and understood as an American. The way he explained it to me was that grand lodge A could be perfectly fine, grand lodge B could be perfectly fine. But grand lodge C and there are places like this in the world that some operate as fronts for criminal activity some operate as fronts for anti-government activity and some simply hold ideological views that are hostile or against religion. Grand lodge B recognizes grand lodge C but grand lodge A does not. Rather than keep a list of who is OK versus who is not ok versus who would be ok but they recognize someone who is not ok The church applies its decision as a blanket thing to cover everyone Because as our late Bishop explained when the church (Rome) makes a ruling on something it doesn't look at what's going on in one specific area but takes the entire global situation into consideration.

[@TheRealist2022]

@@363catman I can see where you are coming from and can only condemn the likes of those GL that do recognise GOoF (quite an apt acronym, don't you think?!) but hey, who am I to tell people what to do? ONE of the problems with the RCC (for there are many!) is that there is such a thing as "Papal infallibility"..where, whatever the Pontiff says, MUST be correct, as it "comes straight from God". In other words, they are so arrogant they cannot admit their mistakes. Blanket responses are very very rarely the most appropriate.

[@363catman]

@Realist The When you see the word grand orient which literally just means grand East those jurisdictions derive their lineage through France. And when you start looking into the details & history of it, You start seeing a clear pattern of two vastly different ideologies. There is no national grand lodge in the United States like most countries have, what you have here is 50 completely separate individual "countries" being each state's grand lodge and all of the ones here in the US are derived from Great Britain. The modern Western world as we understand it is a product of the Enlightenment but to show you the contrasts there is an old saying that the American revolution was fought from the pulpits of churches and the French revolution was fought against the pulpits of churches.

[@TheRealist2022]

@@363catman SMIB

[@michaelwren5276]

I am a Catholic and a Freemason.

[@TheRealist2022]

@Michael Wren Does your parish priest know of your membership?

[@michaelwren5276]

No and I would encourage you to sit down with one of us before you make such pronouncements about what we believe, who we are and what we do.

[@MatthewTaheri]

@@michaelwren5276 The Realist is a Bro. He was just curious to see how it would play out in your experience.

[@michaelwren5276]

@@MatthewTaheri I would hope it could be a meaningful conversation.

[@michaelwren5276]

@@MatthewTaheri furthermore my parish priest doesn't have an opinion about masonry

[@deliriouscontagious2624]

They put a camera in your eye and raise the part between the genitals and the other up

[@xaviersd3178]

And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Matthew 23:9 I like the video, bro

[@anticoomer]

You mean father

[@markcampbell8460]

Freemasonry allows for all religions; Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Mormon, etc. In fact, if your religion is represented by an anime comic book - you can have that on the masonic altar as well. EVERYTHING is welcome, and that's the problem. When I bow my head in prayer; I'm speaking to the Holy Trinity. But the guy next to me could be praying to a tree. Sadly, Freemasonry has become a replacement for attending church on a weekly basis. As a former Mason, I can say unequivocally say that Freemasonry is NOT a religion - but for some or most, it's their ONLY religious experience.

[@markcampbell8460]

@Nick Porter Sadly, yes - provided that Sailor Moon is the higher power in which you believe.

[@TheRealist2022]

@Mark Campbell It's important to be clear that the higher power a Mason believes in, must be responsible for the creation of the universe, hence the name "Great Architect of the Universe". The anime comic book would not qualify. But I think you knew that already. It's also important to know that the requirement for a belief in such a being, is to underpin the solemnity of the obligation taken... when one invokes the name of what you consider to be the most powerful being in the universe, it makes the obligation far more serious.

[@DisobedientSpaceWhale]

@@TheRealist2022 In English masonry it's God or a Supreme Being. Never told they had to have constructed the Universe.

[@markcampbell8460]

@@TheRealist2022 Apparently you’ve never attended lodge in Seattle.

[@ctribe100]

Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@Hydra-dr8hd]

No, a Catholic can not be a freemason *IF anyone in the comment section says otherwise do not believe that... person* May God have mercy on their souls

[@teecee1567]

@Hydra-dr8hd Why do you say that? What is it with Freemasonry, that makes it incompatible with the RCC faith?

[@Tem_Oph_Ab]

I'm open to answer any questions that I'm able and knowledgeable to

[@GoatRider357]

Freemasonry is not a religion, but inherently religious. You have to believe in a supreme deity.

[@lallen4999]

My Grandfather's friend went to Free Masons for a time,came home one night and never went back.Must have been pretty bad,huh?

[@johnmacaroni7028]

L Allen > Jesus Christ

[@DisobedientSpaceWhale]

Maybe he just found it a bit boring...?

[@ctribe100]

Here is why. There is a good reason. Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@theburningelement.6447]

I'm now a catholic

[@teecee1567]

@theburningelement.6647 I've been a Catholic since I was baptised as a baby. I've been a Mason for over 20 years. I'm still a Catholic. I've found absolutely no incompatibility between the two.

[@theburningelement.6447]

​@@teecee1567unless they warship Jesus christ as God it's false, Jesus is God no comprising

[@teecee1567]

@@theburningelement.6447 Freemasonry does not bar anyone from membership based on their faith. As we are a secular organisation, a man's faith does not come in to it. We believe a man should worship whatever deity he himself believes in. Don't you think it is better to be brothers will all men, rather than fight over religious beliefs?

[@theburningelement.6447]

@@teecee1567 Jesus christ is the only way to Yhvh to you believe that?

[@teecee1567]

@@theburningelement.6447No, I believe the only way to God the Father is through my saviour Jesus Christ. However, if YOU believe that to be true, I completely respect your beliefs, even though I do not share them.

[@raysonraypay5885]

Mysticism

[@ronaldmills4054]

In my long lifetime it was forbidden. And. Then it was OK. Then it was forbidden. Then it was OK if you remember for business contacts perit's contact. Now it's forbidden again.. Just live long enough and you'll be able to join

[@ctribe100]

Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@nicholashaas5574]

There has never been a time where it was "ok"

[@paullaymon5746]

Masons are not Deists. Hence the reason why Jefferson was not a Mason.

[@ralphgerbier3728]

Of course you can

[@dedodude100]

I am a Catholic and a Freemason. The deist belief is no necessarily the belief of a Freemasons. They believe in creating a deeper understanding with their God and are instructed to be good members of their church and to hold their sacred books in the highest regard. The Catholic church does not like us because we are too tolerant to others beliefs and also they didn't like it was not regulated by the holy sea. Also the Vatican can't just make up sins willy nilly. Being a freemason is not a sin specifically. I would love to have a conversation with you father if you really want to understand the masonic philosophy.

[@pyosomemore6383]

The biggest mistake Eve made was engaging the serpent in a conversation. Once the devil has shown itself its best to run as far as possible

[@dedodude100]

@@pyosomemore6383 the devil hides behind religion as well. Generally taking the form of bigetry. Also I don't think you truely understand the metaphor of the snake and Eve.

[@pyosomemore6383]

dedodude100 allow yourself to be corrected, dont be so prideful- u cannot be catholic and a mason at the same time

[@dedodude100]

@@pyosomemore6383 I mean. I am both right now. I am a confirmed Catholic and a Master Mason.

[@quaintcatholiccottage183]

You can not believe what the church teaches and believe all religions are created equally. This is one of the issues with Freemasons as they hold all religions as if they were true. There is only one true God, one true church, you are contradicting your faith. Turn away before it’s too late

[@jonathanrebolloso5170]

Im catholic and a freemason. Have never had an issue. The reason it was frowned upon back then is because the church was not a fan of democracy. Which freemason have always practiced.

[@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq.]

Fraternity =/= democracy And democracy is not something to be proud of...it only serves to conceal oligarchy and alleviate it from genuine responsibility and accountability for the failings of government while suppressing unrest through the supposed "social contract" and the "consent of the governed". How can you rise up against and kill corrupt leaders when you, supposedly, voted them in?

[@mlukacs7011]

That's where you have to be careful, you are choosing YOUR way. Even if you don't agree with the church, Christ said He would bind in heaven what is bound on earth when he made Peter the first pope. Yes, God is beyond Church law, but part of showing humility for Him you respect his Church which he gave us first.

[@jonathanrebolloso5170]

@mlukacs7011 not going to disagree. I didnt join them for any spiritual or religious reasons. I joined to get more into philanthropy. I will admit i did it for the shriners children's hospital. Im considering getting out though because i just dont feel that enlightening with them like i do at catholic church

[@teecee1567]

@@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq. Fraternity does NOT equal democracy. Fraternity= brotherood. This renders the rest of your post invalid. Buy a dictionary, for goodness sake.

[@Mr.Ambrose_Dyer_Armitage_Esq.]

@@teecee1567 How does it render the rest of my post invalid, papist? Explain yourself, for Christ's sake.

[@angelbeast8863]

A wiki warning for freemasonry on this video? Definitely something very wrong with masons. "Tell me you are NOT a good organization without telling me you're not a good organization."

[@TheRealist2022]

@angelbeast8863 I need only direct you to the "Charge to the Initiate" that every Freemason has delivered to him on his first night. It spells out what sort of man a Freemason should be. It is completely unambiguous. It is Here it is. "Brother _____________, as you have passed through the ceremony of your initiation, let me congratulate you on being admitted a member of our ancient and honourable institution. Ancient no doubt it is, as having subsisted from time immemorial, and honourable it must be acknowledged to be, as by a natural tendency it con­duces to make those so who are obedient to its precepts. Indeed, no institution can boast a more solid foundation than that on which Freemasonry rests - the practice of every moral and social virtue. And to so high an eminence has its credit been ad­vanced that in every age monarchs them­selves have been promoters of the art, have not thought it derogatory to their dignity to exchange the sceptre for the trowel, have patronised our. mysteries and joined in our assemblies. As a Freemason, let me recommend to your most serious contemplation the Volume of the Sacred Law, charging you to consider it as the unerring standard of truth and justice and to regulate your actions by the divine precepts it contains. Therein you will be taught the important duties you owe to God, to your neighbour, and to yourself. To God, by never mentioning His name but with that awe and reverence which are due from the creature to his Creator, by imploring His aid in all your lawful under­takings, and by looking up to Him in every emergency for comfort and support. To your neighbour, by acting with him on the square, by rendering him every kind office which justice or mercy may require, by relieving his necessities and soothing his afflictions, and by doing to him as in similar cases you would wish he would do to you. And to yourself, by such a prudent and well-regulated course of discipline as may best conduce to the preservation of your corporeal and mental faculties in their fullest energy, thereby enabling you to exert those talents where­with God has blessed you, as well to His glory as the welfare of your fellow creatures. As a citizen of the world, I am to enjoin you to be exemplary in the discharge of your civil duties, by never proposing or at all countenancing any act that may have a tendency to subvert the peace and good order of society, by paying due obedience to the laws of any State which may for a time become the place of your residence or afford you its protection, and above all, by never losing sight of the allegiance due to the Sovereign of your native land, ever remembering that nature has im­planted in your breast a sacred and in­dissoluble attachment towards that country whence you derived your birth and infant nurture. As an individual, let me recommend the practice of every domestic' as well as public virtue: let Prudence direct you, Temperance chasten you, Fortitude sup­port you, and Justice be the guide of all your actions. Be especially careful to maintain in their fullest splendour those truly Masonic ornaments, which have already been amply illustrated - Benevo­lence and Charity. Still, as a Freemason, there are other excellences of character to which your attention may be peculiarly and forcibly directed: amongst. the foremost of these are Secrecy, Fidelity, and Obedience. Secrecy consists in an inviolable adherence to the Obligation you have entered into never improperly to disclose any of those Masonic secrets which have now been, or may at any future period be, entrusted to your keeping, and cautiously to avoid all occasions which may inadvertently lead you so to do. Your Fidelity must be exemplified by a strict observance of the Constitutions of the fraternity, by ad­hering to the ancient landmarks of the Order, by never attempting to extort or otherwise unduly obtain the secrets of a superior degree, and by refraining from recommending anyone to a participation of our secrets unless you have strong grounds to believe that by a similar fidelity he will ultimately reflect honour on your choice. Your Obedience must be proved by a strict observance of our laws and regulations, by prompt attention to all signs and summonses, by modest and correct demeanour in the Lodge, by abstaining from every topic of political or religious discussion, by a ready ac­quiescence in all votes and resolutions duly passed by a majority of the brethren, and by perfect submission to the Master and his Wardens whilst acting in the discharge of their respective offices. And as a last general recommendation, let me exhort you to dedicate yourself to such pursuits as may at once enable you to be respectable in life, useful to man­kind, and an ornament to the society of which you have this day become a mem­ber; to study more especially such of the liberal Arts and Sciences as may lie within the compass of your attainment, and without neglecting the ordinary duties of your station, to endeavour to make a daily advancement in Masonic knowledge. From the very commendable attention you appear to have given to this charge, I am led to hope you will duly appreciate the value of Freemasonry, and indelibly imprint on your heart the sacred dictates of Truth, of Honour, and of Virtue". I hope that is enough to at least point you in the right direction. Don't get suckered in by the conspiracy theorists.

[@mikehess6261]

I respect Catholic Priests, but they are not always correct. This man is speaking about Freemasonry and obviously does not understand it. Every Mason has, and is encouraged to have, their own relationship with God. In fact, belief in one Almighty God is the core of Freemasonry. It is NOT in any manner a religion and discussing religion, or even the "nature of God" is forbidden, as is politics. Freemasonry is about how you morally and ethically treat other human beings. Look at the symbol of Freemasonry. The top instrument is the compass. It reminds us to render whatever aid and assistance we can to anyone within our "circle" of influence. So if I come upon a stranded person who's car is broken down, I will stop and assist them (while someone broken down a thousand miles from me is outside my circle). The bottom "tool" is the square. We must "square" our actions, not lie, not cheat, and deal squarely with our fellow man. (If you've ever used the phrase, "A square deal"..... thank the Masons for that concept,) In the center is a "G" that stands for the "Grand Architect of the Universe", or more simply put, "God", who should be at the center of all we do, on a personal level. The Masons do NOT interpret who God is, that is for each man to decide. When a Freemason takes his oath to make himself a better person, he can do so on a Protestant Bible, a Catholic Bible, the Torah, the Koran, or any other religious book that is sacred to him. The only thing that matters is that the man taking the oath believes that he will answer for his sins and misdeeds one day which is what gives his oath importance. If your car breaks down one day on the side of the road, in the middle of nowhere, most Catholics won't stop to assist you, especially a Priest, but a Freemason will. That Freemason will not tell you he is a Freemason, he won't accept money, and doesn't even need a "thank you". He is helping because he believes that it is important to do so, and because it makes him a better person.

[@lissyperez4299]

I hope all who were/are involved with FM take it to confession and even have prayers for deliverance said for you. This is akin to involvement in any Occult practice..ie. witchcraft, spiritism, ouija boards, horoscopes, fortune telling, etc. This has lasting effect in families if not rooted out.

[@teecee1567]

@Lissy Perez The Priest who presides over my RC church, is completely aware of my membership of Freemasonry. He knows of my membership and officially disapproves...but unofficially supports my membership. He knows I am a good man and that Freemasonry does good things. He believes it is a mans actions that define him...and not the gossip of others, who know much less than they think. I take communion even though his bosses in the "big house" say I shouldn't be allowed to. He believe it is up to the conscience of the individual, whether a parishioner should take it or not.

[@lissyperez4299]

@@teecee1567 Hi! Since you are still a member of the church, it sounds like you still consider yourself a Catholic and you still value what God thinks about it. It's not just a matter of what "the big house" thinks. I encourage you to continue asking God if this is a path to Him or away, He won't let you down. I fear for the loss of your soul and that of your pastor if he's being duplicitous and not preaching the Truth to you. The issue about leaving it up to conscience, What they often leave out is that a "well formed" conscience.

[@teecee1567]

@@lissyperez4299 Hello Lissy and thanks for the response. Well, you're correct, I am very much still a Roman Catholic. I am far more concerned with God's will, than how human failings want me to feel. My daily supplications since i became a Freemason, have never ever made me think that Freemasonry is wrong and is incompatible with my faith, rather, it is the reverse. He has never let me down. My priest is a traditional old style priest, which is why he believes in toeing the line, as per the Holy Father and his state. But he is also a realist and sees for himself what I am and who I am. He is a very shrewd judge of character and that's why he condones my membership. i have been a Roman Catholic since birth, many decades ago and a Freemason for over 20. I really do thi.nk that in that time, if there was a problem, I'd have picked up on it now. I really can understand why you think as you do, but be honest with yourself... you don't REALLY know what the truth of Freemasonry is, as you have never experienced it. I, on the other hand, have. I have experienced it for over 20 years. I have been the Master of my Lodge twice and am a senior Provincial Officer, not some guy who is just a lowly member who hasn't done anything. I've "been there and bought the tee-shirt"! All I want, is for people to have an open mind. To listen to OUR side of the story. And when they have, just apply to the answers, logic, reason and the balance of probability. If they feel the same way afterwards, that's fine. But if it makes them think... they will learn far more than if listening to a conspiracy theorist. And yes, they exist. You only have to read the Nastional Enquirer to see that!

[@chrisroberts-el1bt]

Iglesias within but you do not know of it.

[@user-ci7we9of6p]

first you forgot to say the royal family runs it

[@TheRealist2022]

@user-ci7we9of6p The Royal Family does not run Catholicism Or Freemasonry.

[@G.Washington]

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. ONLY GOD MAY JUDGE.

[@italianboyz12345]

Freemasonry is disgusting and satanic

[@G.Washington]

@@italianboyz12345 WE MAY DISAGREE, BUT THAT’S THE BEAUTY OF FREEDOM.

[@italianboyz12345]

@@G.Washington no actually, that's what's horrible about this. Moral relativism is degrading to society.

[@JohnnyNada]

Absolutely not

[@Iys67]

Catholics cannot be a freemason, not just being cautious.

[@Ianjcarroll]

Incorrect in so many of the statements.

[@fporretto]

I've wondered about Freemasonry for some time. I've known a few Masons (and Daughters of the Eastern Star) who struck me as decent sorts, but I had no clue as to their inner beliefs. Perhaps I still don't, but the Catholic conception of God -- i.e., as Love and as three Persons all of whom seek personal connections with every believer -- would certainly be at odds with a "distant," impersonal God, who merely created the universe and now "stands back" from its operations and its inhabitants. So if that latter conception is inherent in Freemasonry, Catholics should avoid it. (And please remember that the word *_if_* is the most important word in any sentence that includes it.)

[@ilikestarsun]

I'm not a mason but I'm pretty sure that's not how they see God. Impersonal God doesn't mean distant, nor does it mean it's not involved with creation. Impersonal means beyond the conception of the mind, beyond everything, beyond the idea of a "person", beyond characteristics or qualities. As soon as you ascripe a quality to God it is by default inaccurate because you cannot confine the infinite into mere qualities or conceptions. When you speak of God with characteristics/qualities, that is the personal aspect. When you speak of God being beyond words and beyond conception, that is the impersonal aspect. Both are just ways to understand God. Even in catholicism there is the impersonal nature of God but it's mostly focused on the personal aspect usually.

[@sheilabright2091]

From what I’ve learned so far, very few masons study their doctrines. It’s not uncommon to find Catholics that don’t study their doctrines as well…🤷🏼‍♀️🤔😐

[@rc59191]

I'm a Catholic and Freemason plus a Knight of Columbus. There is nothing diabolical going on all these accusations against us are made by people who never been Masons we promote brotherly love, charity, and peace, even my priest doesn't have issues with people joining.

[@fporretto]

@@rc59191 That's good to hear. I'd like the Church to put out a reasonably detailed explanation of its abjuration of Freemasonry, because the current situation has a lot of Catholics baffled.

[@juncatv]

@@fporretto it was a tantrum of Ratzinger when the conservative wing lost the VOTE on mantaining the comdemnation of freemasonry. They lost the vote when reforming the canonic law. This is a testimony of father José Antonio Ferrer Benemeli SJ, one of the most important historians of freemasonry in Spain. Regular or tradicional freemasonry requieres a believe in God a that a man should keep his own faith, limiting itself as only a system of morality.

[@trevorwright2]

Also I grew up at a Private Lutheran school. Yes I know pretty elite.

[@ctribe100]

Yes, you are right! Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@jimfitzpatrick9188]

These guys worship statues and relics, and worried about a fraternity.

[@mattsharkey8437]

Incorrect, we worship the Holy Trinity and the statues honor the great Catholics of the past. God bless.

[@rebn8346]

You better not be worshipping statues. That's in direct violation of the First Commandment, and any one who does is not catholic.

[@ctribe100]

You are right but it goes deeper. Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@rc59191]

I'm Catholic and my priest has no issue with me being a Mason I'm also a Knight of Columbus. There is nothing remotely heretical or anti Christian all these accusations and conspiracies are made by people who never even talked to a Mason.

[@CatholicBeardReviews]

The Catholic Church's current norm on Masonic associations is the 1983 CDF Declaration on Masonic associations.[91][p] The 1983 CDF declaration states that Catholics "who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion."[6]

[@ctribe100]

Here is proof. Watch the whole video. Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@nicholashaas5574]

Then your priest is also in a state of mortal sin.

[@nicholashaas5574]

Please let us know who he is so he can be reported to the proper authorities and educated on the issue.

[@rc59191]

@@nicholashaas5574 sorry I'm not a snitch for one and two until you've actually spent time as a Mason or actually sat down and talked with one you have zero clue what you're talking about. There's nothing evil going on nothing satanic you people keep making these conspiracies up in your head when all we do is teach about equality and brotherhood among all mankind. We don't judge others for their personal beliefs we run numerous charities you know stuff the Church should be more focused on. Not to mention we don't protect child abusers like the Church does y'all need to be more focused on helping clean the Churches sin up before running your mouth.

[@mattgiebel]

The views expressed in this video are actually quite false. It is the same belief that is spread by the evangelical Lutheran synod as well. born of true ignorance, I do not go so far as say it is lies, but it’s not true nonetheless. God bless.

[@carloscordova4715]

Just joking the knights of Columbus, they need help.

[@quaintcatholiccottage183]

The answer is no

[@TheRealist2022]

@Catholic Cottage Good morning. Please tell me why you think this is?

[@insertfunnyusernamehere8094]

Lemme just break it down right quick: 1.) No tattoo’s 2.) mono-theistic beliefs that do not coincide with the beliefs of the Catholic Church. 3.) And this is an important one, must have an occupation that enables one to participate in charities and allow further wiggle room for the organization into society -and its ranks.

[@crobeastness]

4) the destruction of the catholic church (as in the masons want to do that in anyone if confused by my reply)

[@crobeastness]

@Will Derby maybe now, but it was definitely their original goal when they were founded in 1717. Also, it is not exactly confirmed if they have abandoned this goal or not

[@crobeastness]

@Will Derby 1717 is the 18th century. NE Corner? whats that?

[@ctribe100]

Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@johncunningham4603]

Lol Elks Lodge isn't Masonic

[@JimmyW00ip2]

Vid is cap

[@gerardbabinusmc-davscotish3871]

Odd , Im Scottish Rite & Master Mason; God as we were taught in Catholic School, is the master architect, he alone gave master builders the ability to create. However men as (God ordained), were given different rules and instruction for reasons we do not know. Masonry allows brothers from all faiths to gather to discuss brotherhood and charity as GOD instructed us all to do. The Catholic church 's history begins and will end in Rome ( Most) priests never study their own history because it is in complete conflict with Gods orders to men. We are a band of Brothers from the corners of the earth doing works in silence un noticed as god commanded. We do not do these things for public glory but because God commanded us to keep his works.

[@JamesFatima1917]

Albert Pikes “Morals and Dogmas” explains the meaning of each degree achieved. XXX degree is the most pernicious and overtly hostile toward the pope and the Church. These are hidden from the blue degrees on purpose so that a rapport can be established with all men. But make no mistake…using euphemism and comfortable language is a tactic to hide their true purpose. Suffice it to say, in our time, the institutional Church has been completely infiltrated by Freemasons and cannot function as Christ intended anymore. Congratulations…Freemasons are unveiling themselves in their revealed goals of the One World government and One World Religion. Persecution of orthodox Catholics already taking place.

[@gerardbabinusmc-davscotish3871]

@@JamesFatima1917 Remember this, the church has more blood on it's hands than any nation. You do not have to belong to any church as JESUS commanded, the only way to the father is through the son. Not a church.

[@nicholashaas5574]

No one cares what you think modernist. If Jesus Christ is not the God of your "brothers" then you do not worship the same God

[@ramoonquen6403]

those bricks were laid by masons lol ijp

[@Thedrillingman1]

Mason's work on stone.. not brick.

[@mathewmccrae8184]

this is 100% false, freemasonry promotes your belief.

[@hawktuner11]

Lol…its not a religion. Dang!

[@ClergetMusic]

Only if you are ok with being a heretic and schismatic at the same time.

[@UFOsOnTheLevel]

Well then...... Sigh.... one of these things in not like the other..... S

[@mathurm100]

do you worship lucifer or just pretend to in your rites and just claim they are fake and part of the history of the order? how many human skulls have you drunk from?

[@jonathangatto]

Masonry is not a religion

[@benhurmussulini529]

Completely wrong...

[@WiiFan-1300]

Catholicism wasn’t even “Christianity” to begin with

[@Chico-the-man]

columbus charities are slum, lords

[@user-ci7we9of6p]

freemason are not older than the bible is so no

[@teecee1567]

@user-ci7we9of6p All Freemasons will tell you that the origins of our wonderful craft are obscure. However, the best research has made an educated guess, at 1000 years.

[@TheRealist2022]

@user-ci7we9of6p Neither are you... so you must not be of god.

[@user-ci7we9of6p]

@@TheRealist2022 syria is older then them

[@TheRealist2022]

@@user-ci7we9of6p Th Syrian state was established in the mid 20th century. Freemasonry is considerably older than that.

[@michaelwren5276]

Who are you to say that we have sinned? A little hypocritical sir.

[@raysonraypay5885]

All have sinned

[@michaelwren5276]

@@raysonraypay5885 true. However, show me where in the bible it says being a Freemason is a sin. I wish you luck.

[@nicholashaas5574]

The part where you have no strange gods before Christ... 1st commandment champ.

[@michaelwren5276]

@@nicholashaas5574 the fact that you think we're a religion shows your ignorance sir. Nice try. Have a great day.

[@nicholashaas5574]

@@michaelwren5276 it dosen't matter if you are a religion or not. The Church told you there is spiritual danger in whatever you want to call your little clown house. If you are a Catholic, then know you are in mortal sin until you repent and leave your lodge. If you aren't a Catholic, I really don't care what you think.

[@edforfun3776]

This video makes zero sense

[@youtuber8443]

Of course a catholic can be a freemason. What a question?

[@ctribe100]

Please watch this Christian man, ex-star, ex freemason tell about who and what the freemasons are. It is a long video but worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbIoGBuZ6qUmZo

[@T_dog1]

Actually according to Catholic Canon law, it's prohibited

[@youtuber8443]

@@T_dog1 but still can be a freemason.

[@RossoCarne]

Ffs this is spew