Can a Magic Deck Fairly Beat a Pokémon Deck?

Here at Cardmarket we care about the real scientific issues, so we got our best minds to finally solve, once and for all, if Magic the Gathering cards can ever beat a Pokemon deck without changing the rules.
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[@CardmarketMagic]

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[@JimmyR42]

The land system in MTG is both its greatest problem and what makes the game so unique. However if we wanna get technical, as much as the Pokémon don't have a mana cost so they can be fatal pushed, their attacks also aren't activated abilities as abilities have the ability keyword in Pokémon(like Bibarel's drawing ability) and are different from attacks. A Propaganda could work because it requires an additional cost be paid to declare the attacker, but turning off activated abilities wouldn't work against "activating" an attack because in Pokémon, that's just attacking. Just like tapping to declare an attacker isn't an activated ability but you tapped it as you would to activate some abilities.

[@outputcoupler7819]

@@JimmyR42 There's lots of ways to interpret things. The key is for both players to agree on the interpretation and stick to it, which they did.

[@SucessorOfGDNoob]

Well google chrome doesn't think I will. 😢 it crashed.

[@acesw6124]

any updates on the Yugioh channel?

[@CardmarketMagic]

@acesw6124 our new showhost is moving to Germany this month and will start the channel up shortly :)

[@DanielLi]

As someone relearning Pokemon for fun, I've learned that you can only play 1 Supporter card per turn, and Bill has been errataed to be a Supporter.

[@MegaMinecrafteFan]

He had R&D's secret lair on board

[@jaminkauf6242]

I specifically got myself some early copies where they don't have the limitations written on them - and figured that's good enough for a silly MTG-vs-Pokémon game to showcase how broken they were at first

[@luccooooo]

@@jaminkauf6242 you did play two professor oaks in one turn though and that one did have the limitation written on it? or am I missing something

[@luccooooo]

oh, seems like the infographic has a newer version of the card with the supporter ruling but the actual card you played didn't

[@Think_Deep]

As long as Jamin is cheating on purpose, it's fine. :P

[@SkylarPastor]

"of course, I need a new active Pokémon, Carl! Don't you know the basic rules of Magic?" 🤣

[@praton97]

Peak german 😂

[@Bubblenuts13]

I want to see art for fatal push where a Merfolk is pushing a fish out of water onto the shore.

[@GeekandGlory]

I want to make art for this now...

[@Bubblenuts13]

@@GeekandGlory Let me know if you do!

[@uristmccheeselove1019]

Same but it's actually card art for "Forced Adaptation"

[@ChuckUFarley90]

Fun Fact: In the lore of MTG, whenever a game of Magic is played, it's actually two Planeswalkers battling with summoned creatures and spells. All of which is represented by the cards. Planeswalkers are powerful spellcasters that can jump between worlds, many of which can be WILDLY different. And yet, despite these differences, these worlds all use the same rules and magic. Seeing this video's kind of cross-game play, with completely different game systems & rules, ACTUALLY feels like a Planeswalker battle. Picture this: You've gone to another world. The magic feels weird and different, or may not even be there at all. But your own spellcasting mechanics still work, so it's no big deal. Then you get into a fight with some random guy on the street, and he starts busting out creatures & abilities you've NEVER seen before. Worse, NONE of the rules you know seem to apply to him or his creatures. Literally a case of "HOW DID YOU DO THAT?! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!" Now you're scrambling to figure out the new rules before he gets you. The best you can manage is to hold him off, one spell at a time, as you wrack your brain for an answer. Then, opportunity strikes. You figure out a limitation in how he's approached you, and you exploit that to get a victory. You adapt your known strategies to make use of this new exploit, and continue on your way exploring this strange new world. A REAL Planeswalker Moment.

[@shieldgenerator7]

dude this comment is full of cool ideas itd be cool if there was a cardgame like this, where both players played by different rules and it still somehow worked

[@CMoore-Gaming]

I'd watch this anime

[@siradzki5905]

Well said mate

[@kyjeong]

Who will win? Ancient dragons, planeswalkers, Phyrexian horrors vs. A handful of fish and a dude named Bill

[@samurottninjawaterdragon]

Actually its the battle Maniac Nemona who wins

[@EllieWhoSlowsTheSunset]

I'm convinced that every one of these videos is just another excuse for Carl to shoehorn Turbo Fog into a game... AND I AM HERE FOR IT!

[@tontin150]

"Flip a coin. If heads, you win. If tails, just try playing another copy of this card."

[@SucessorOfGDNoob]

Yay!

[@Charles-kv5iq]

Incredible how magic is so versatile theres always some obscure way to ruin a different tcg's day

[@robertomacetti7069]

Dear mtg, please tell me you were created by a PhD in mathematics without telling me you were created by a PhD in mathematics

[@Pembolog]

I like these videos but they're very disingenuous; you could easily play these games from your card game of choice's point of you and abuse rules that don't properly interact

[@moloy559]

I think a lot of that is based on how the mechanics are translated. Calling all cards from other TCGs 'spells with a manacost of 0' means you just need to find the counter to spells with no cost. If you did the reverse, like call all MTG cards 'items', then a VIleplume could lock out the MTG player in one turn. We're just more likely to try and fit other games into MTG rather than the opposite because its easier than trying to translate MTGs depth of mechanics into another system. Not saying this video isn't good. I think it really shows how wildly different the games are, and the rulings are reasonable enough assumptions. But from a game design perspective, a real challenge would be to try and make rules that are fair for both sides. Even if you limited the cardpools to each games standard rotation, you'd be hard pressed.

[@kotarotennouji5238]

​@@moloy559Especially with yugioh, having so many spell/generic negates, one turn wins, and the ability to play through multiple negates. Ocg/tcg yugioh would almost always win, yet their video showcased a weak normal monster beat down deck against mtg.

[@outputcoupler7819]

@@Pembolog It's not really disingenuous, they've just gotta keep things kinda close so the content isn't boring. If the goal is to make a super cutthroat deck for each TCG, then probably one will just win 100% of the time and that's not super fun to watch. It's a fun thought experiment, and fun to talk about, but not the best for video content.

[@kaszael]

Jamin got screwed. Either the Pokémon deal combat damage or they deal noncombat damage through an activated ability, in which case either the fog plan or the cursed totem plan should have not worked. Fun game though!

[@cad97]

Obviously putting two different games with two different rulesets together doesn't actually work and needs some loose interpretation. But you could make Pokemon work in mtg as played here by saying the attacks are activated abilities which set the creature's base power until the end of turn and skip your next main phase this turn.

[@blueplayer6197]

​@@cad97nah, many pokemon have actual abilities and the definition for pokemon abilities is "An Ability is an effect on a Pokémon that is not an attack." which means cursed totem is a very good card but doesn't do what Carl wanted it to do. Fog does work but you can't just ignore ragavan and hit face, pokemons should attack opposing creatures or at least Carl should be able to block thus the monkey dies not the Carl. And of course oak and Bill are supporters and only one can be played per turn so all in all... This needs to be redone

[@Zarl451]

​@blueplayer6197 The combat sequence bit I think is where I'd have ruled this differently too. There is no concept in Pokemon of attacking the opponent directly, nor in Magic (you declare attacks and the defender blocks or allows damage through). So the Pokemon should attack and the Magic deck responds normally. Meaning any deck with a way of generating tokens each turn should be pretty safe, since no Pokemon have trample, just chump block all day long.

[@beefpelican]

In the token swarm example, the Pokémon player wouldn’t be able to attack through to make the magic player lose by life loss, but they should still be able to win by earning their own prize cards.

[@blueplayer6197]

@@beefpelican I absolutely agree the prize cards are pokemon wincons not losecons. The mtg player should not get prize cards they need to aim to a mtg wincon or a pokemon loss con. So 20 damage to player or alt win cons to mtg, then having no more mons benched for pokemon as a loss con as well as drawing from empty deck. Then pokemon can't attack life points directly and must grab prize cards, if no creature is present on attack pokemon gets a prize card anyway. Then win if mtg player trigger a loss for himself such as paying life to 0, self mill etc

[@SiwanBouss]

That was a lot of fun. One thing though, can't have woodland cemetery etb untapped if your only land is orchard.

[@Technomagus]

Jamin also played two Oaks in a single turn (can only play one Supporter per turn) and had Carl discard three cards to Rocket's Trap instead of shuffling them into the deck.

[@bricelory9534]

Eh, it's all for fun, just say it was a proxy Bayou.

[@BaronSengir1008]

Bill - draw 2 cards, very cheap Pot of Greed - draw 2 cards, banned

[@Matti_Mattsen]

Magic - Draw 3, pay U ... ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL CARDS OF ALL TIME!!!

[@jaythepizza7600]

To be fair, Bill is a supporter card and supporter cards are once per turn. Same with Professor Oak

[@Matti_Mattsen]

@@jaythepizza7600 bill wasn't a supporter back in the day, neither was prof. oak. They got turned into supporters later on when the pkmn company realized that it might be a bit broken without limitations ^^

[@jakehr3]

​@@Matti_Mattsen Pokemon - free draw 3, sees play in only fringe decks

[@Matti_Mattsen]

@@jakehr3 supporter restriction is painful when theres so many good supporters.

[@teaganrichichi]

The fog meta is real

[@BoltTheEmolga]

So the thing with Pokemon, is you can draw like 20 cards a turn, and both of you churn through cards really quickly, but at the same time you're bottlenecked by only being able to do 1 attack a turn no matter what, and your turn ends on the spot after you attack, no exceptions. There's also nothing you can do during your opponent's turn. This means that it still takes like 3-4 turns to win unless your opponent gets unlucky and only has 1 basic on the field and you kill it quickly enough.

[@jaythepizza7600]

Actually, your turn doesn't end after you attack. After you attack, all you can do is either end your turn, or activate Radiant Venusaur's ability to draw until you have 4 cards in hand

[@BoltTheEmolga]

@@jaythepizza7600 Okay, one exception. Didn’t know of that one.

[@johnsmith5215]

Surprisingly it makes the gane very skill based despite the notoriety of coin flipping, both players basically get to play with there entire decks and as a result the way tou set up your board and the plays you make are extermely important

[@Zanji1234]

@@johnsmith5215 tbh in competitive decks you rarely see ANY coin flip cards / effects

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

there are exceptions, though they're most likely usually not good enough to really need to consider in general.

[@epicjettt3404]

8:48 you can only use one supporter card per turn

[@michaelloughnane]

OG bill, Prof oak aren't supporters - supporters were added to the game in gen 3 iirc. I think they just used the wrong version of the card on the overlay

[@jaminkauf6242]

The cards in question were only made supporters later on - I got myself some base set copies where they don't have the limitations written on them - and figured that's good enough for a silly MTG-vs-Pokémon game

[@Tharkon]

Weren't they erratad into supporters. Or does Pokémon always play as if there was an R&D's Secret Lair in play?

[@epicjettt3404]

@@Tharkon professor oak is a supporter tho

[@jaythepizza7600]

@@Tharkon Pokemon counts errata too, so they count as supporter cards

[@vb_blokeboi7251]

Carl doing the Bill math versus Ancestral Recall had me crumpled 😄

[@giacomosimonin212]

Woodland Cemetery, with only Forbidden Orchard in play, should have come into play tapped though.

[@CardmarketMagic]

Yeah we both missed it 😅 I only caught it in editing but then it was too late

[@rodrigodepaula4198]

I accept it because of the 8 supporters in one turn.

[@dennisfroberg5685]

Do this with flesh and blood! I dont know how it would work or if it would be even possible without some combos from the magic side

[@sethb3090]

Part of me is saying "just cast Wrath of God, under Pokémon rules they lose"

[@shieldgenerator7]

thats so broken in the format lol

[@beastmoder0980]

This series has to continue so we can eventually see magic vs competitive Yugioh and Pokémon decks, or atleast decks that do more then vorse raider pass

[@CardmarketMagic]

The issue is that, if a magic deck tries hard, they can just win before the other deck gets to play. YGO can do the same. So we have to dumb down both decks or there would be no video

[@beastmoder0980]

@CardmarketMagic fair point, I don't mean pulling up with a fully optimised yugioh deck such as fire king snake eye, I more meant a deck that summons more than once a turn, as old and new yugioh are practically different games. Also if you don't think 1 magic deck could win, you could do a competitive deck vs 3 magic decks at once ie 1v3 Commander.

[@xchronox0]

8:50 You can only play one Supporter card during your turn. This is Jamin's second Supporter card. (If you don't count Bill, if you count Bill, it's like, the 5th.)

[@LibertyMonk]

The idea that a Pokemon is allowed to just attack your face is wild.

[@dsproductions19]

11:20 "If I don't play Pokemon, I'm dead." Yup, a single board wipe would be an instant win for MTG.

[@jacktorborg9862]

Lol I love these videos every time, the creativity coming out of cardmarket is unrivaled. And editing ridiculously on point to the point where it's easy to follow along, even with a game you've never played

[@BaronSengir1008]

Should have written Ultra at the top of the Beast token... Lol

[@samurottninjawaterdragon]

As both a Blue Black Magic player and a Water Dark Pokemon Player let me tell you some rules you missed. Pokemon has a ruling where you are only allowed 1 Supporter card per turn....Unless it says otherwise. Furthermore, Bill has been errata'd to be a Supporter. In pokemon there are 4 types of trainer cards; Supporter, Item, Stadium, and Tool. Supporters are like Sorceries that do very strong stuff hence the once per turn. Items are weaker versions of Supporters that do things though Red Carding a Magic player is still very strong. Stadiums are like World Enchantments that affect both players. Only 1 stadium card allowed on the field at once so playing another discards the current one. Some have passive abilities while others have an activated ability. Tools are the pokemon equivalent to Equipment without the equip cost. Only 1 tool per pokemon.....Unless it says otherwise. However technically if you have a card that says destroy target equipment you can target a tool but if its destroy target artifact that wont work. One last thing I want to mention with Mill in pokemon is you only lose to self deck at the begining of your turn. If you are forced to draw from an empty deck nothing happens unless that draw is because its the start of your turn. Happy gaming to all the Planeswalkers and Trainers out there.

[@madgenius9720]

All hail the chaotic inconsistency of TCG crossovers😂 Fog prevents combat damage from a Pokemon's now activated ability...?

[@egoalter1276]

Combat damage can be a result of an activated ability, for example hexgold wallbreaker creating an additional combat phase, or any fight effect.

[@madgenius9720]

Damage via fight effect isn't combat damage. Combat damage from additional combat step.. comes from actual combat damage step and not from ability itself

[@egoalter1276]

@@madgenius9720 SO fight effects dont trigger deathtouch for example?

[@madgenius9720]

@@egoalter1276 deathtouch isn't a trigger, it's a static ability that causes any damage from a source to be lethal (works with both fight and bite effects... And with Lightning bolt too! If given somehow, like by Judith from MKM). Check the card to see the source of damage

[@egoalter1276]

@@madgenius9720 Okay. SO Lifelinj would also work, but Flanking or Trample wouldnt?

[@cronchable]

It's not legible because it's in neither English nor German, but the land Carl drew off the top on the turn he played the Cursed Totem is a Woodland Cemetery, which would have entered tapped since he controlled neither a Forest nor a Swamp. Meaning he would actually have been off by one turn and lost. But that does not detract anything from the fun of this video! Nice! I loved it hehe

[@bricelory9534]

Especially since it's so obviously meant to be fun, I just think of it as a proxy Bayou!

[@BaldurtheImpious]

These videos are amazing, whenever you guys get creative like this it just makes me love this channel more and more. Gotta respect the craft! ❤

[@bakh554321]

Now imagine we're playing a unlimited Pokémon control deck. Oranguru would resource manage that deck to oblivion.

[@Wabiman70]

11:08 the woodland cemetery should enters tap, isn't it?

[@norwalkvirus37]

Yeah, Carl shouldn't have been able to play the Cursed Totem when he did (which would've lost him the game).

[@ConManAU]

Haven’t watched the video yet, but I’ve been enjoying the little cartoon happening as the thumbnail changes.

[@nathantripathy]

I love seeing all these old Pokemon cards I used to play way back when.

[@meepilee7991]

8:57 althought most of the cards hes played so far arent supporters, professor oak is indeed a supporter, meaning he wasnt allowed to cast it for the second time

[@Xavi_Shado]

This was amazing! Thank you for making this and sharing!

[@GregJungg]

I'm always amazed by the quality of the content, ideas and everything else. Yall are on another level!

[@kronusexodues7283]

I really love this format and would hope so much to see more of it. Especially I'd like to see a magic deck facing off against a Vampire: the Eternal Struggle or a Netrunner deck, as those were also invented by Richard Garfield.

[@lucasrios2089]

this is the video in this little crossover series that I’ve been waiting for

[@AENock]

Would like to see Magic v Lorcana someday soon. Would like to see more Lorcana content in general, lol. Two sets have released since your inaugural video with a third on the way!

[@FineOtter]

I feel that Jamin should have won. Abilities in Pokemon are a specific thing separate to attacks. There are cards in Pokemon (eg. Garbodor with the Garbotoxin ability) that say "All Pokemon except this have no abilities" and that doesnt stop other Pokemon from attacking.

[@tk421eatmyshorts]

Of course if we’re strictly templating the attacks, then the Pokémon should have an inherent rule they can only attack other creatures. That would have been even more problematic for Jamin

[@FineOtter]

@@tk421eatmyshorts do the Pokemon attack other Pokemon though? It's not like hearthstone where you click one of your guys and then click their guy. In Pokemon you just attack the same way you do in Magic and then the game rules take over. In Pokemon their active Pokemon takes the damage listed by the attack, and any other effects are written out. In magic your opponent gets to block and if they don't they take the damage. So I think the way they did attacking still makes sense

[@tk421eatmyshorts]

@@FineOtter I would say yes, they do attack other Pokemon, which is the reason the rule where you lose if you have no active Mons exists. If Pokemon just attacked and it was game rules after that, I think it would be similar to Yu-Gi-Oh where you attack a life total after that. I know there are also attacks that do damage to your opponent's benched Mons, so there's examples of it not just being "Hit in front of me" but also "Hit bench" but nothing of "Hit trainer"

[@FineOtter]

@@tk421eatmyshorts the reason for the no Pokemon you lose rule is because they were trying to be analogous to the video game, where if you run out of Pokemon you lose. That's also why you can have max 6 Pokemon out at a time (1 active, 5 bench). As for the attacks to bench Pokemon, those are specifically formatted differently. If there is a damage number to the right of the attack that damage is always dealt to the active Pokemon as per the game rules, you don't get to choose. After that, an attack with an effect that deals damage to benched Pokemon lets you choose where that damage goes, but that effect is spelled out on the card not in the main rules of the game.

[@tk421eatmyshorts]

@@FineOtter I get that, which is why Pokemon don't attack the player, only other Pokemon (or creatures for MtG). The attacks hitting benched Pokemon being formatted differently doesn't change the fact that the bench is still "in play" and thus a wrath is going to hit all creatures in play, regardless of whether they're active or not. Further, the attacks being formatted differently reinforces the idea that a Pokemon would need a specific attack that says it deals damage to the player to actually hit the player.

[@nebs9798]

Y’all should this series against Shadowverse evolve. It’s similar enough to magic to not make the rules a nightmare and has some powerful cards and interactions

[@Kieiros]

Counter for the Cursed Totem: Stealthy Hood (Unbroken Bonds) - Prevent all effects of your opponent's abilities done to the Pokémon this card is attached to. Remove any such existing effects. Why would you look at that, whatever this gets attached to now CAN attack. And I don't know MTG well enough, but I believe this also means it also gets around the destruction and fog effects because those are spell abilities.

[@whatislife1184]

I was just saying you should do this video yesterday. Crazy how this came now

[@Myndi84]

we need a sequel of this!

[@Bladewing342]

didn't expect anything but this... oh boy, that's entertaining!

[@LegitimateComenter4Yesme-hg4dg]

Which to be clear is amazing to watch keep it up

[@NiiRubra]

Wow that was close! Actually clutch come back there.

[@MLBFan17]

Love the content keep going

[@Cluis.]

Didnt know Woodland Cemetary was a Bayou ... or is that also an old printing like Bill? 10:08

[@hahayes1072]

It comes in untapped if you have a swamp or forest

[@Cluis.]

@@hahayes1072 which he had neither ...

[@bricelory9534]

Eh, it's just a for funsies video, call it a proxy Bayou.

[@amonprassodia1428]

That artifact did Jamin dirty, man 😂

[@Zantoma]

The return of Carl's turbofog...

[@Matti_Mattsen]

Kinda sad that pokemon is more of a collectible and people don't really play it that much. Its a solid game and decks are really affordable

[@sethzard]

I mean some pokemon events are pretty huge.

[@NStripleseven]

Yeah there’s actually a pretty big Pokémon community, at least around where I live.

[@metroidman1324]

tons play it… regionals are bigger than ever

[@Futuristic271]

Orlando regionals was a couple weeks ago and had 824 entrants. My LGS has ~25 players that show up to play weekly. It's very popular in the DMV area

[@Zeequals]

It's not as big as magic obviously, at least in the west, but it's decently big for playing still. I don't find it as interesting for similar reasons to why I don't like yugioh, but its certainly a card game a good number enjoy

[@BaronSengir1008]

Just do what you did against the Yu-Gi-Oh deck... Pokemon doesn't use mana, after all!

[@adamxue6096]

You will run into a billion rulings conflict with Chalice, it's funny once, doing it again will not be a good idea Not to say that deck will need to have a lot of other things to stop the Basic pokemons that comes down turn 0, and you'd get clowned for trying to rule that attaching energy to a pokemon gets countered by chalice, then due to how the attacks literally cost energy to use, Chalice under no sensible ruling can counter that, so you'd just get destroyed by a fish spitting at you.

[@BaronSengir1008]

@@adamxue6096 At least it's not Dan-Dan!

[@hellwombat]

@@adamxue6096 also even if chalice could counte pokemon cards, the pokemon themselves a "put onto the bench" so it wont counter them and trainers are "played" chalice only works on cast cards

[@DoABarrelRol1l]

@@hellwombatwould stop all the trainer card spam 😅

[@adamxue6096]

@@hellwombat Unfortunately there are no satisfying way to rule counter spell type effects between games, it's honestly for the better to drop the obviously more controversial ruling shenanigans See the issue comes from how you word these things and what counts for what, because it runs into the "should we equate it as if it's summoning a creature in mtg?" Even extra fun is try to figure out whether a Wrath should hit every pokemon including ones on the bench, which are in another zone in comparison to the active pokemon zone. Meaning an instant game over. I am glad they kept it somewhat more simple

[@trfinnila6074]

Jamin stormed out but he forgot to add any storm cards let alone mana producers. And here I was thinking they knew how to build decks.

[@Lainfan]

This was both amazing and hilarious at the same time

[@nomatyx5789]

that woodland cemetery entered the battlefield untapped somehow :)

[@BlazinSpells]

A surprisingly entertaining video! What a silly and fun idea!

[@TempestMonarch]

Im kinda hyped for another episode with actual deck

[@awesomesauceum7493]

Alternative title for these videos: How can we bend card interaction rules between different games to benefit the magic player. Realistically Pokémon and Yugioh would always stomp magic without some special rules for power conversion

[@Showsni]

If the Pokémon deck is allowed to point its damage face instead of at the creatures in play, it feels like a way to easily win would be to just add two Galarian Zigzagoon to the deck. "I play this Zigzagoon to put a damage counter on you - that's 10 damage - and another Zigzagoon, for the full 20. Good game?"

[@lucasandumadas8386]

the swan lake playing in the background had me confused for a bit 😆

[@violaknapp7904]

*Jamin:* On turn 1, I will spend 5 minutes playing 4 Pokemon, 10 spells, draw 22 cards and force you to to discard 6 cards *Carl:* * surprised Pikachu face * (and yes, I counted these. I am like that)

[@undine120]

Technically discard 10, with 4 replacements.

[@ilsignoredellaluce2234]

Actually Carl shuffled the cards into the deck, but yes

[@violaknapp7904]

Fair enough!

[@evanalexander7706]

I saw this video yesterday on my timeline and didn't watch it. I couldn't ignore it now that I see the thumbnail had been overtaken by a ditto!

[@Boonslayer]

Jamin just *straight-up* cheated, Bill was errata'd to be a Supporter, which means you only get to play one each turn. This is a retroactive change that applies to older versions of the card.

[@Boonslayer]

Also, wouldn't retreating be an activated ability?

[@theMifyoo]

I would like to see a video for this series with digimon. Also an idea I think would be fun for a diffrent series of videos is conversion rules, trying to make different card games play nicely with each other without just having high base damage equal murder.

[@EmeraldWeapon2009]

If Cursed Totem works, that means that Pokemons deal damage through an activated ability, but then it wouldn't be combat damage so fog wouldn't work no?

[@bricelory9534]

Unless it's an activated ability that does combat damage. Which obviously would be a rules nightmare in Magic, but it's a pretty good approximation of what is happening in Pokemon.

[@alexandrelima2766]

Seriously nobody noticed that the woodland cemetery that Karl drew to play the cursed totem should enter tapped? Je has no swamps or forests in play

[@GyroCannon]

The Cursed Totem got me laughing so hard lol

[@Darkrei2]

Hello Jamin! It was cool meeting you again at EUIC :D

[@jaminkauf6242]

👋👋

[@zachlikeslofi]

This was really fun to watch, but I do want to note that Jamin only should have been allowed to play one trainer card per turn, (you can play 1 supporter and 1 stadium per turn. However, you can play any number of items). You are able to tell what kind of card a support/item is based off of the small text under the right side of the "Trainer" text at the top.

[@jaminkauf6242]

The cards in question were only made supporters later on - I got myself some base set copies where they don't have the limitations written on them - and figured that's good enough for a silly MTG-vs-Pokémon game

[@recusantvessel]

@@jaminkauf6242 even professor oak? WTf were they smoking in the OG set LMAO

[@zachlikeslofi]

@@jaminkauf6242 I see!

[@maurtendo]

The Professor Oak literally says on the card you can only cast it once. ​@@jaminkauf6242

[@bricelory9534]

@@recusantvessel yea, OG Pokemon was a really wild place. It wasn't long before players realized they could easily draw their whole deck on the first turn if they wanted.

[@SockisS]

That Cursed Totem topdeck was really clutch!

[@kisapniaq]

I have seen so many errors in gameplay on the Pokémon side, and in deck building, but I’m curious to try a polished version of this one day

[@moleculeman27]

That is the first time I've seen Pokemon played. I really have no idea. You broke my brain here today.

[@erebos42]

Tbf, many of the cards that Jamin spammed out in game 3 have been errataed to be supporters, which you can only play one of per turn, like your land for turn in Magic

[@MagicalMasterMind]

Carl... Woodland cemetery would have entered tapped that last game...

[@mattt3481]

This is what i've been waiting for for a long time. i wonder how you'd fare against an actual standard-played meta deck? lol

[@michaelh.1484]

There's gotta be a rematch, only instead of the coin we use the dice for legal play to do coin flip mechanic

[@lanibentz9976]

Carl gets to play fog, and be overpowered? I bet he was waiting to record this video all day

[@mikotagayuna8494]

The Phyrexian War could've easily been won had the Gatewatch sent cartoon fauna instead.

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

very tough battles! magic vs. pokemon!

[@BaldurtheImpious]

I just remembered how much carl loves to play fog. He even said in the fog video. XD

[@tomaspavlik7922]

12:00 I think retreat is also an activated ability so Jamin can't even retreat his pokemon here. 😂

[@foxpopzop]

11:41 T1 Pokemon Judge here, there are actual Abilities in Pokemon that can be activated once per turn! (though some abilities differ). Attacks and abilities operate separately, so would this play technically work, or are they counting attacks as "abilities"? 🤔 Fantastic video nonetheless! Keep it up!

[@terratrox7180]

In MTG, activated abilities are "effects that can be manually activated by paying a cost". Energy counters would function as that cost in Pokemon. Ultimately, it'd depend on rulings. If we consider attacking as NOT using an ability, there are other cards in MTG that just say "X thing can't attack or block", or even "Nothing can attack you" that would shut the attacks down instead. But if we're operating under MTG's combat rules, Pokemon wouldn't be able to attack until a full turn rotation after a player gains control of them. So you can't play a card and instantly attack with it (unless it has Haste, which negates this rule). Effects that gain control of creatures are ALSO affected by that rule, so I can't steal your things and then instantly attack you with them. Again unless the thing I take has Haste or gains it from something. Ultimately, I think their take is the better one, because otherwise, the Pokemon player would have to sit there waiting to attack whenever they switch a pokemon in, and the MTG deck would be full of Pacifism style effects that prevent the pokemon from attacking or blocking. There are LOTS of ways to keep things from attacking you in MTG. Cursed Totem's effect is incredibly rare.

[@Machiroable]

@@terratrox7180 If you go by MTG rules pokemons abilities would be activated abilities, so their ability to deal damage would not count as combat damage and would not be affected by summoning sickness. Not to mention the act of putting them in your "bench"/battlefield at the beginning of the game would be a pre-game action, like chancellor of the annex, leylines and gemstone cavern type of effects.

[@marcoasturias8520]

It's a trip to see new Pokemon cards paired with old broken trainers!

[@The1AndOnlyGoldenboy]

Fun video. I'll say this, for anybody wondering about playing Pokémon, decks really can be that fast and at the competitive level people often have to purposefully slow themselves down if a game goes long to keep from decking out. Also, a competitive Standard deck in Pokémon at its cheapest is usually around 100 USD (or about 93.63 Euro) with the possibility of building out fancy pants holo decks for around 250 USD (or about 234 Euro) at the most. Pauper is really the only format with a comparable price point, everything else is just insanely expensive by comparison, so Pokémon might be fun if you're wanting something quick and fairly easy to learn while on a budget.

[@bmats123]

Fun video. Although why does fog work against "combat damage" but you still count Pokémon attacks as activated abilities?

[@mattt5248]

Very fun game! I've been learning all the games for my party box so I can digivolve my Mickey Mouse into Weedmon to draw and attack with a haste 1000/1000 at the defenders Lugia and C3P0

[@LuciferLovesDucks666]

Very interesting loved it

[@MagicalMasterMind]

second thumbnail is better than the first one :D

[@Nathanael_Forlorn]

I wonder how the first match would have turned out, if the pokemon damage was divided by 10. Luvdisk dealing 2 instead of 20 sound reasonable. Or other way around and multiply magic life by 10.

[@joshvon8495]

Haha, I love these vids of mtg decks vs other games decks

[@AgaresOaks]

10:53 Carl probably shouldn't have been able to respond to the end of the turn: if this were MTG and Jamin activated a Sundial of the Infinite, Carl could respond to the activation but couldn't do anything after the ability resolves (unless something causes a trigger to happen in the cleanup step, but that's not happening here).

[@GaybrohamStinkton]

The rules simply dont work? Carl is allowed no active mons (Magic), but also draws a prizecard and Carl wins by attacking directly (Magic) but doesnt take an prize when the frog dies? Isnt Bill a supporter card and thus one a turn?

[@Mightypi]

I was really hopeing for forest, swamp, dark ritual, culling ritual

[@relytdragon5626]

Thats a wild ride.

[@robertgreen6499]

Well time to start checking out the Card Game Iceberg. We hit the ones normal people would know, but now we head into the deep. Let's see what other card games we can put MTG up against.

[@klashslash6919]

Next video: "Can a magic deck fairly beat a poker deck"

[@gabrielemarogna9444]

Not sure about the ruling of hitting directly, ragavan should have been able to block if you ask me

[@GetMoneyMyrick]

The algorithm keeps showing me this but how can I tell it to hold on and wait until I can grab my pokemon playing son 😂

[@o_vivian0975]

i think this would be very very fun to try and do with lorcana or digimon

[@jmurray1110]

I would be interested to see a yugioh vs Pokémon duel I can see droll and lockbird being very useful