Can an airplane be more efficient than a Toyota Prius?

Today we design an economical family airplane for the purpose of being more efficient than a car.
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[@prius_power]

I feel a disturbance in the force

[@AnythingButaGoofball]

Oh my god it is him

[@trainanimator8150]

truely

[@StrikeEagIe]

Word

[@TheGrace020]

😭

[@tankers4all]

Plane stronk💪

[@petersmythe6462]

I mean, I'm fairly sure large airliners are more efficient than a prius of there is only one person in the prius. At the other end, ultralites can actually be more efficient than a Prius for the opposite reason. They are not efficient on a fuel per kg*km basis but they have a very high payload fraction.

[@messier82ac]

They are as a matter of fact! If you calculate things by Miles per gallon per passenger, most airliners are more efficient than your average car. They put more pollutants into the air due to lack of things such as catalytic converters, however.

[@auto_revolt]

@@messier82ac Yours is also a perfect example; in reality you'd have to travel to and from the airfield, also windspeed, traffic, weather, do you need a car at your destination? how about taxi time, or time spent waiting for a window to land. But all in a nice design and video.

[@guard13007]

As soon as you have a passenger, that disappears.. well, if you drive a vehicle w 40 mpg or higher. Of course, planes only achieve that efficiency over long distances. Short flights are horrible for the environment.

[@iancrowley420]

cars in general are perhaps the most energy inefficient way you can get around on the ground

[@justaguy6216]

In that case you can't really use a Prius can you? You have to use sth like a bus. No matter what car, cars are always less efficient than mass public transportation, so it's not really a fair comparison.

[@levidotson6610]

I’m not sure why, but I actually really like the look of this thing, it’s almost like a fat glider, but it’s got some charm

[@Sakhmeov]

I don't know why, but I have this inkling that something built like a Y-shape with an inverted gull wing and slightly forward-facing wings could be made insanely efficient, especially if you wanted to go VTOL. Like if you put the Bugatti 100P and the Terran Wraith together. You've got everything there; Pendulated self-righting, elements of BWB if you make the extension from the lower part of the fuselage and into the wing correctly, guided whirls to tumble and densify the air under the wings which should help improve lift both at travel and through the densified downwash of the drives at low speed...

[@The_GT1]

1:08 Fun fact. Gliders can by thrown into the air by a winch. Which eliminates the need of an aircraft to tow it into the air

[@jmdesertadventures803]

But towing allows more altitude at the time of release and can be taken a really long distance before it's cut loose.

[@mr.pineapple7620]

I have read that sharp angles on the truss connecting to the wing can induce more drag. It would have been cool to see the truss connect to the engine's fairing to make for a laess agressiv angle between the two lifting surfaces. In real life the engine block in this case would probably also be a load bearing member member

[@messier82ac]

This is a good point I forgot to consider in my design. Ideally, the lifting struts should have gone vertical before coming too close to the main wing, similar to other wing-bracing strut concepts. Good call! I'll keep it in mind for the future

[@AnythingButaGoofball]

I don't think youre insane, i simply know you are

[@justified_wrath_21]

M82 the daily uploader? Someone has kidnapped him.

[@katqcentertainment8754]

Just add wings to a Prius, duh

[@umbratherios5614]

not gonna lie... the plane you designed is actually quite pretty

[@Neardrop]

That pfp feels like it is looking through my soul

[@umbratherios5614]

@@Neardrop LMFAO, It really does, doesn't it?

[@Neardrop]

@@umbratherios5614Yeah lol

[@xpeterson]

Little bit idealistic for the airplane, considering: -a route that cannot be closely matched by a car -calm winds -no en route weather -airports at the origin and destination That being said, many planes are advertising impressive efficiency numbers. Sea Avío Risen claims that if you “slow it down” to 120mph, it will only burn 2 gallons an hour, coming out to 60 mpg. It’s only a 2 seater, but others like the Pipistrel Panthera can probably achieve impressive numbers as well if cruised at a “slow” speed of not 200 mph.

[@derbaron7818]

Hey a glider pilot from Germany here, I'm enjoying youre content very much but just wanted to say that we mostly don't launch gliders by plane tow but insted use a winch system. This workes by attaching a line to the glider wich ist than pulled in fast, launching the plane in to the air like a kite. These winches usualy run with normal engines but are quiet regually elecrtical powered. In the old days gliders we're also launched with rubberbands from ontop of hills...

[@nakoete8521]

Nice, you even beat the Rutan Long-EZ in efficiency which is impressive considering you have two engines.

[@BrianTRice77]

There are Rutan designs that achieved 80mpg! Granted, they couldn’t carry as much as a Prius…

[@deakinnowak3797]

I’d be very interested if Flyout could simulate gliding physics properly at all, Especially simulating thermal conditions. I would do dangerous things for a key if so…. Would be a huge challenge to engineer one, let alone compete with actual manufacturers to see if you can beat their glide ratio.

[@messier82ac]

Gliding is simulated in Flyout, and the Lift/Drag ratios in game are fairly accurate to what they are in real life. I am not sure how it's currently modeled, because a lot of things have changed, but I do remember at least ridge lifts being a thing .

[@samtansleyphotography]

glider catapults are so damn cool, you should check those out

[@someweeb3650]

Now do the same thing but with an ultralight vs a motorcycle. Remember that idle time is significantly lower on motorcycles because you can lane split.

[@RusAbtMusic]

Great video! Can’t wait to try this game myself when it will become available for purchase. Maybe the plane could save some weight by having a shorter and more round nose, I suppose that at speeds that this plane fly it won’t increase the drag too much.

[@messier82ac]

You're Probably right, but The actual skin and front frame would've maybe only saved 5-10kg maximum, so it's a hard call. That and since the battery and some other components were in the nose, I wasn't in the mood to reshape it.

[@bothsideshavefun]

should've built a five seater me163 tbh

[@thedarkartist3635]

Ong

[@Xaid51]

Can't believe he made me think to buy a prius.

[@samuelsalita1660]

They are efficient by transporting lots of people at once. If a Boeing 737-800 guzzles 1.5 gallons per mile or (~.65 miles per gallon) but is carrying 166 people, it ends up using .009 gallons per mile per person, or 110.6 miles*people/gallon. A standard prius has a mpg of 53, which if carrying 4 people becomes 212 miles*people/gallon, just under two times as efficient as a Boeing 737-800. An a380-800 configured for maximum passengers gets even better with 132 miles*people/gallon. And this is all comparing to a prius. If we were to choose a more average vehicle for a 4 person family, such as a Honda CRV, which has a base mpg of 30, you get 120 mile*people/gallon, which isn't all that far off from the airliners I mentioned. And this is all assuming maximum capacity! So many people drive alone or with only one other person, so a lot of the cars on the road achieve only around 50 mile*people/gallon. I don't mean to sound 🤓but I felt this might contribute. If one could build a more efficient high capacity plane, perhaps a hybrid type which uses electric motors for cruising when the wind is behind it, or maybe use slingshots for takeoff (the portion of flight that is least fuel efficient), It could far surpass many of the cars on the road today.

[@messier82ac]

You're absolutely right. It's a common misconception that planes are inefficient in general. When looking at miles per gallon per passenger, airliners are better than just about any car.

[@mikhailjairnisbett441]

@@messier82ac Meanwhile there's me flying alone in an archer with a headwind (10 passenger mpg)

[@thecactusman17]

I would have suggested a more comparable flight and ground route, such as San Jose California to LAX. They basically both go due South with some variation due to terrain on the ground and military airspace in the air. Because cutting the trip distance is an efficiency improvement for both modes of transportation.

[@skulldrummer3441]

you should make one where you experiment with the rcs of a flying saucer shape aircraft

[@skyekid1]

This was truly not what I expected but what I needed. But if could you make a mini version and give it to a crazy engineer and he accepts the design that would be insane also if it was a VTOL it would be better. Like 3x better or somthing like that idk. All I know for sure is that I liked the vid.

[@ree5158]

💀ah yes vtol by far the most fuel efficient take off method

[@skyekid1]

@@ree5158 yes it would!

[@thecrazyinsanity]

@@skyekid1 no

[@teggolT]

Vtol is very much not efficient. By default, even the army doesn't use it on e.g. aircraft carriers despite the runway savings. They opt for a hybrid take-off, just slightly reducing the rw length (and don't forget, the army has money and a very specific usecase. You never see commercial/private aircraft use this bc it is neither useful nor efficient)

[@skyekid1]

@@thecrazyinsanity It was a joke XD I would actually stupid if I thought so

[@benselectionforcasting4172]

Can an AI design a Hypersonic Stealth Fighter. No reference Aircraft.

[@fermitupoupon1754]

I have no idea if the game supports this, but you could have used aerodiesel engines, which burn Jet A1 instead of AVgas, which is more energy dense.

[@messier82ac]

Diesel style engines are not supported at the moment, so using Jet-A will just cause pre-ignition in most engines unfortunately.

[@quentagonthornton49]

And not only that, but diesel engines are also more thermally efficient, especially compared to an air cooled gasoline engine.

[@josephfenech9401]

Awesome!! Keep putting out more videos like this!

[@TijsVsN]

nice efficient aicraft you got there, but now. Make a sailplane wit a glide ratio exceeding a glide ratio of 70

[@ISOwren]

there are sail planes with motors, front mounted, popup, or top mounted. There is a really cool 2 seater with solar on it. I want more cargo / passenger gliders TBH great build

[@nilsdoesvr]

My idea of a cool aircraft is having the wings of a paper plane, the engine of a nuclear bomber, the tail of a tsr-2, the Fuselage of a mig-25 and the cockpit of a Blackburn buccaneer.

[@Streaky100001]

I think this very much depends how you define efficiency. If you talk about fuel per mile per kilogram of payload or per passenger, then standard commercial aircraft are actually pretty efficient, a prius carries 4, or maybe 5 people, most airliners can carry upwards of a hundred people, that means to complete the journey, per person, you're using less fuel. Aircraft designers spend a lot of money to get the best efficiency possible, cos fuel is extremely expensive over the lifetime of the aircraft.

[@ScrotalSlug]

THOU SHALL NEVER RIVAL THE POWER OF THE PRIUS

[@brokeafengineerwannabe2071]

The quality content I subscribed for

[@Leon-zi2pi]

@0:55 Didn't expect that specific glider. I've flown in it and I know the pilot. Was apart of that club for a while.

[@hugostiglitz7373]

If the propellers were in line with the fuselage, it would resemble the old Cessna Skymaster. A very timeless design.

[@yellow73914]

Electric airplanes can't come close to conventionally-fueled aircraft with current energy storage. Liquid fuel has several advantages that will take a sci-fi-level of advancement to overcome; namely, energy density, weight, and safety. Aviation fuel is significantly more energy dense than batteries, plus it has the added benefit of reducing the overall weight of the aircraft as it's consumed. Add to that, batteries are inherently risky due to their failure modes. If a fuel tank springs a leak, it leaks out and can (generally) be isolated. If a battery "springs a leak" it tends to end catastrophically by discharging all its energy in the form of heat/fire.

[@tusewel6128]

Love this content!

[@bobbob646]

I am incredibly exited for whenever this game releases. I love simple planes but the physics engine and building in it kinda suck

[@TornaitSuperBird]

Simpleplanes requires way too much work to make something even remotely good-looking. The physics engine also really lets it down...

[@Dashbr0]

I thought this was a clip from top gear based on the title and thumbnail

[@aviationist1018]

Yes you are insane

[@squa_81]

I sure hope you lile congested airspace! Very cool video though

[@carnonPL]

you know, it is cheaper in comparason, but if you wanna BUY the thing, it might be cheaper to just buy prius and with spare money buy some more fuel (and you have to park plane on airport which makes some more issues)

[@generic7916]

Gotta admit I always forget about mpg, my 125 motorbike gets 130+ mpg it is absolutely *mint*

[@videorowtv5198]

Yeah prop planes are generally more efficient than cars. They have lower drag, no stopping and starting, and they go straight from one point to another.

[@epicboi3213]

Considering there are not lots of airports in just your city, you would still have to land and get in a car to go where you want!

[@hussamisen]

This would be great with modest pelican level commentary 👌

[@subjectc7505]

Aaah technically you can make a fighter jet fuel efficient. I'm no aerospace engineer or anything but i think it's jet engines being developed and being tested now. I would love to see you make a Luxury Full-size business jet like the Bombardier Global Express.

[@eduardostapenko6808]

i don't know why and how but you got me an idea of an electrick plane with quick-changeable battaries (very quick refuel during trip).

[@subjectc7505]

@@eduardostapenko6808 I mean it's possible, but that's trail and error.

[@nolol9907]

hey, shouldn't you have tested the efficiency over water? i'm no plane nerd, but would there not be differences in the air over the sea and over the land be sufficient to effect mileage? also why did you not account for fuel lost during take of for your calculations?

[@messier82ac]

You're right, ideally, takeoff would be calculated for this, as shorter flights generally have reduced efficiency because of this. However, both the plane and the car were calculated in more ideal conditions, just for the brevity of the video.

[@siegmundeurades5753]

Now make the pickup equivalent of a plane so I can take it to the hardware store to buy lumber.

[@firstdayonline]

Very good design. Looks as good as glider!

[@sky_raider_2354]

Prius called, they want their efficiency card back. they say you cheated lol. Nice build! Cant wait for steam release!

[@zixabyte749]

I saw the thumbnail and thought that's a really nice plain lets see what this is about

[@lcasbdr254]

ok,now put a 30MM machine gun on it.

[@matsv201]

A normal wheel have a roaling resitance of about 1:20-40.. a good wing have about the same. A plane is usaly a bit more aerodynamics. Making higher speed viable. Of cause.higher altitude also matters

[@Hamachingo]

Well, lots of noise but noise canceling pilot headsets work great. It may be easy on fuel when cruising but you gotta get it to altitude first and the exhaust is dirty af compared to a car. Existing Remos GX are pretty efficient, only seats two but great range and automation.

[@90lancaster]

Electric Aircraft a great idea right up there with the Chocolate teapot.

[@eduardostapenko6808]

i'm pretty bad in aviation but i don't think it will not get damaged by pieces of ice that build on propeller, that pieces would strike directly into pilot and passenegers, piercing the hull and dealing some damage.

[@eduardostapenko6808]

and probably there also some more not so criticall flaws.

[@eduardostapenko6808]

and also for 2engines aircraft you need a higher licence than for 1 engine one, so pilot needs to be more trained and that means more payment if hire him.

[@SpicyMcLovin]

You got it backwards. The slipstream from the propeller flowing over the elevator and rudder increases controllability at slow speeds…

[@PhantomRaptor1]

well, uh, powered gliders exist

[@Xionmass]

I do the same. I make very unique planes in Juno :New Origins

[@adamackley4165]

Another vid, today is another great day

[@totalnerd5674]

Now make it VTOL and able to take off from a driveway, while retaining efficiency

[@themacbookgamer]

What's the name of the tool you used to compare road and flying distance?

[@thraxxxgt]

the ECOfly Smart M160 uses a smart roadster engine which is only 0.7l. id say that way more efficient then a prius. pretty awesome tho that flyout lets you do this kinda stuff

[@SomeGuyOnTheInterweb]

When you said you would keep it simple for the sake of economy, you could make a premium version with the winglets and maybe some other stuff!

[@foximacentauri7891]

31.9 mpg (7.4l/100km) is probably phenomenal for an aircraft, but my car does 4-5l/100km.

[@JulianPanebianco-zp1li]

You should make the Ford C-F150 a cargo aircraft

[@ThalesMML]

Make an amphibious version so it can land anywhere along the coast. Thus minimising yet another advantage of the car.

[@MisterIvyMike]

01:14 So true! 😆👍 This is why I do only aerobatics in gliders...

[@The20sbelike-wc1hc]

Can you do a variable geometry wing next. . .pls??

[@tavolo2969]

THE PRIUS OF THE SKY IS FINALLY HERE

[@erich930]

One tiny nitpick: The registration for a presumably civilian aircraft is not realistic. In the US, the registration format is the letter N (the US's aircraft registration prefix), followed by either 3 numbers and 2 letters, 4 numbers and 1 letter, or 5 numbers. Examples: N123AB, N1234A, N12345. In Canada, it's C (Canada's registration prefix) followed by 4 letters. Example: C-ABCD

[@robd8577]

Did you add the drive to and from the airport? Any efficiency based design that ends up with multiple engines has failed.

[@qaterdargon4041]

Nice but it still needs to refuel, so give it wings that fold in

[@d.thieud.1056]

Pumps at airfields are layed out with this in mind. They aren't as tall as most high wing airplanes and have very long hoses. They also come with anti-static cables and other design features of aircraft refueling in mind.

[@davidecarucci1073]

What if you tried something similar but with a business/private jet, those probably the main sources of pollution

[@guard13007]

Gosh darn making me want this game SO BAD.

[@nate641]

you can make it more efficient with 2 blade constant speed props

[@llliiimmmeee]

when will someone actually build this i want

[@wulfleyn6498]

I think the fact you can even make a plane that is as efficient or more than a prius just shows how inefficient cars are.

[@dmacpher]

Should test the Celera 500L concept

[@firemonster3603]

You should make a folding wing jet aircraft lol

[@Ba1uba]

Make a spuer sonic glider or propeler plane next plis

[@konigfisch6327]

oh i wish that all hybrid cars would have the combustion engine mounted just to make energy not to power the wheels and also have electric otherwise a hybrid doesnt make any sense like nobodys gonna charge it cuz its not needed and would just be a heavier regular car also i love how you shit on prius design and you make that bubble with wings

[@EpicBigWhale]

The plane has one down side, no doors. xD

[@user-ev6rd7mp5r]

I dare you to make an a-10 thunder II “warthog”

[@ScLeith]

Cancel every goddamn plan cuz messier just posted😊

[@neovo903]

The diamond DA-40NG gets about 27mpg (uk) and has 4 seats

[@platapus112]

Ah yes noted well flying t tail aircraft such as the piper tomahawk

[@joemaloney1019]

But it's not a hybrid! Mount two electric motors behind the engines connected to batteries and wing mounted solar panels. The electric motors would provide boost to the gasoline engines for lift off. You could than turn the gasoline engines off and run off solar. A V-tail would have been lighter. And where is the hatch back? Beautiful airplane though.

[@td23asus]

Did you just ignore takeoff and landing in mpg calcs?

[@audiobotguy0357]

Babe, wake up! New Messier82AC video just dropped.

[@UrbanXplor2]

Next try to make a modern prop fighter

[@Killjoy294]

yo do you know when this game is coming out to the rest of us who didn't get steam keys?

[@Cassiow106]

Me and the boys in the glider gang :

[@VENZO1ONLY]

Hey i have a question.Will flyout come on mobile devices

[@RadiantCataclysm]

best commuter vehicle! lol

[@carsonhuntley3395]

The albatross is already a plane

[@GOAFPilotChannel]

What if you chose a route over land

[@Tetemovies4]

Airliners are already more efficient under the right conditions.

[@mro9466]

"airplanes are not efficient vehicules" * shows Mig-21 * I'm pretty sure a Cessna 182 with 4 people is going to be a lot more efficient than any car over a 1500 km trip.

[@TheOtherAviationGuy]

Don’t forget this would cost 1 mil at least

[@ignasanchezl]

Well the Celera 500L definitely has the potential to beat a Prius in per passenger efficiency, and it's quite a bit quicker

[@GOAFPilotChannel]

"ignoring airfoil shape" "camber"? Also why not composites?