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@TRYCLOPS16 ай бұрын
Doesn’t get any better than this. Intense and entertaining game played at the highest level.
@Spazzfrom.19895 ай бұрын
i never saw this kind of stuff in SC2 and it was always so sad. SC is a funner game to observe
@TRYCLOPS15 ай бұрын
@@Spazzfrom.1989 never paid much attention to SC2. 🤷♂️
@gureguru46946 ай бұрын
it actually worked lol. the wraiths are the glue that held it together
@JoshDragRace06886 ай бұрын
Yeah that is the harder part of this build, keeping those 3 wraiths alive all game to continue to kill shuttles.
@ObeliskM6 ай бұрын
goliaths instead of wraiths could probably work, too@@JoshDragRace0688
@NealX_Gaming6 ай бұрын
Which is why this isn't going to become the "meta". Few Terrans have the control to pull it off. @@JoshDragRace0688
@SP333doh6 ай бұрын
lot of good observer snipes, some off-screen
@Sabu1135 ай бұрын
Leta is coming back boys!
@sti81166 ай бұрын
Artosis: You can't go bio in Pvt. Light: and I took that as a challenge.
@MarcoAshfordАй бұрын
It's not really a bio at all. More like Marine meatshield + ground Mech. Lot of noob players all go for this build. Marine into tanks and push out.
@SeverusVergiliusMaro6 ай бұрын
Wow what an incredible gem of a game--thank you arty!!!!!
@Berry_Bruiser6 ай бұрын
What's going to be next? An infested Terran win? Seriously though, I've never favorited a game on this channel in the past, I couldn't favorite this match fast enough.
@CashMoneyMoore6 ай бұрын
arty explaining why you can't go bio vs toss only for Light to go bio vs toss
@kahahabahaha6 ай бұрын
Not in a normal macro game, generally. Like you see in this VOD, it has to catch them off guard or come at just the right timing. I'm not sure if the deep 6 strat is still viable in today's TvP meta, but it's been used before as a strategy vs fast thirds from Protoss. Notably, the games where I've seen deep 6 work is when the Terran also builds a turret ring before dropping 5 additional rax
@Appletank86 ай бұрын
Bio loses unless you can keep Reavers off the field, which Light barely managed to do with his handful of Wraiths. If Wraiths died this would pretty much be over.
@vitaminamulti6 ай бұрын
a couple corsairs turn the tide in this game - but he didn't make any air @@Appletank8
@Appletank86 ай бұрын
@@vitaminamulti Pretty much, yeah. Snow liked his Reaver play more, and didn't make the switch until it was too late.
@freehatespeech68045 ай бұрын
He means you can't play a long macro game as bio vs protoss, which there is a lot of truth to, although there are exceptions if you get the perfect map for it an an extraordinary player. He knows about bio all ins. This was an innovative variant of a concept Artosis knows about, which is the bio all in vs Protoss.
@Garviel_Loken.6 ай бұрын
That was WILD! Eliminating Snow with Terrans so fast with such an unorthodox build! WOW!
@sagacity10716 ай бұрын
This is how terran should work. Combined arms instead of mech ginder. Also that wasnt bio... it was all three.
@FlymanMS6 ай бұрын
Terrans have the best army composition, so many options and synergies, it only requires huge skill
@stevechristensen81556 ай бұрын
@@FlymanMS he only needed constant 350plus apm and was still losing a lot of free marines
@stefanstoyanov49266 ай бұрын
I think it's more of a surprise than anything else. Similar to how JyJ won the first game vs Soulkey on ASL16. The one makes something completely different to what his opponent believes.
@vitaminamulti6 ай бұрын
beautiful countering @@stefanstoyanov4926
@Clownie_Smiles6 ай бұрын
I really appreciate the realism in seeing tanks backed by marines in action. It adds a layer of immersion for me
@merry0ldsoul7166 ай бұрын
Snow, the most notorious villain of the Artosis cinematic universe, going against the superhero Light, redeemer of all Terrans - it could only be epic!
@cuiivy6 ай бұрын
someone get RT some Tylenol, as he's getting chills often lol
@KimmoKM6 ай бұрын
I like the point Artosis makes in the beginning. Winning the tournament doesn't make you the best player, it makes you the tournament champion. Pretty much by definition of what it means to be good, the best player is FAVORED to win the tournament or any individual matchup (and not even necessarily so if their matchups are uneven), but in a 24-player tournament it could well be that the best player is 10% likely to win the whole thing, say (while the second-best would be at mere 9%). If you look at Chess communities for instance, they have no trouble calling Magnus Carlsen the best player even though he didn't even participate in the championships this year.
@Templarfreak6 ай бұрын
Magnus Carlsen has a very decorated and successful career, quite possibly the most in Chess history, and is an EXTREMELY consistent player. i would say Light is definitely an extremely, extremely good player, but a part of being a good player is being _consistent_ and getting big and defining wins under your belt. you can say someone is "favored" all you like but that doesnt actually mean anything if it's not put into practice. Light definitely _has_ these defining wins for his career, against Soma, against Best, against Bisu, Stork, Rain, Action, Jaedong, Snow, Soulkey, and more. but the whole idea of someone being "favored" just isnt really a reasonable or useful concept on its own, imo.
@sebdeef10866 ай бұрын
@@Templarfreakwhat you are saying is right imo. When Flash plays ASL, he is favored but he is also delivering by winning consistently. Thats what makes him the best.
@tunneltu6 ай бұрын
A big change in ASL last years has been bo1 instead of bo3. Much more chance and opportunity to get a quick win and advance
@EebstertheGreat6 ай бұрын
@@Templarfreak But what if nobody in the whole world is "consistent" in the way you mean? Then no one is best? There is no player so good that he can "consistently" beat other top players, except Flash (and even he isn't so good at the moment, still being relatively out of practice). It is emphatically not true that Magnus Carlsen consistently beats other top chess players. He usually draws, and in any given game, he might win or lose. It's only in long matches with lots of games that he consistently comes out on top, because he is slightly better than his opponent. In the same way, over long stretches of games, Light consistently beats other top players on average. That's what makes him the best. Or in other words, if he's not the best, who is better?
@vitaminamulti6 ай бұрын
but chess is a less random game. a "fairer" game. the best player almost always wins the tournaments.
@neuroblast16816 ай бұрын
Just stranding Snow's reaver by destroying the associated Shuttle in the beginning is cathartic enough 😆
@shkrosse6 ай бұрын
Best TvP in a long time! Amazing strat and execution
@joe81336 ай бұрын
This is the TVP build we all dreamt of
@curtisbrockman26826 ай бұрын
"You go mech against toss because of reavers." Light: "Hold my beer."
@notSoAnonyymus6 ай бұрын
I personally would love to see more BIO vs toss and more MECH vs zerg but I understand its not as easy or doable.
@carluisss6 ай бұрын
you should see flash's old tvz games. which is what he is still doing up to now.
@Ziegfried826 ай бұрын
It takes a lot of mind games, otherwise protoss will crush it every time when it comes to bio vs protoss. Mech vs zerg used to be quite common and it's still strong except at the highest level.
@zukunftverstehen6 ай бұрын
I remember Advokat a Russian terran player beat Jaedong with mech - this looked amazing!
@SirWtfcharles6 ай бұрын
Woo! Another day, another great cast of Brood War. Upvote to prevent spoilers :D
@LimitBreakr4246 ай бұрын
Spoiler blocking top comments are great. So many videos I've not bothered to watch because immediately visible top comment spoiler
@CarbonylDotA6 ай бұрын
Artosis I think it would be nice to get like a 30-60s summary of the game at the end with closing thoughts. Maybe most people wouldn’t watch but I’d be interested to hear your recap and overall takeaways.
@spindlymist6 ай бұрын
I would like that as well!
@stambe86056 ай бұрын
That would be cool, especially for unorthodox games like this one.
@horatiussonofrome8126 ай бұрын
I was just thinking I really wanted something like that, especially for this game
@whymecma6 ай бұрын
Summary of bio play vs toss: - Build primarily used to catch the Protoss off-guard - Can be effective if Protoss doesn't scout, is greedy or is going carriers - If scouted, HTs and reavers annihilate bio - Essentially an all-in as there is no transition potential (no factories) - Wraiths added here are more unique and attempt to counter reaver play - Major disadvantage is the extremely high apm/skill required to control 3 distinct unit groups of wraths, bio and tanks. Key points of game: - After zealot pressure ended, they were approximately even in economy (only 4 probes more, equivalent to a standard opening) - 11:05 minor trade advantage for T, 2 free goons - Elimination of 4th base of Protoss inconsequential, not many probes lost and Snow only needs to survive the attack. - 11:35 minor trade advantage for T - 13:00 start of the engagement favours T, then trades even out as the battle progresses. P army is scattered across 3 areas of the map and hence not trading as efficiently. - Snow needed a few better scarabs to connect with clumps of marines keep the game in check - its not obvious but Light is trying extremely hard to maneouver his marines away from scarabs, or only letting scarabs kill 1-2 at a time. Scarabs only get good connections past 13 mins. Light victory: 4/5 Strategy (unscouted but Snow already has reaver tech) 5/5 Execution (insanely difficult)
@stambe86056 ай бұрын
@@whymecma Well, we got the Summary guys 😀
@yevgeniygrechka64316 ай бұрын
wow, bio + tank + wraith composition seems pretty strong
@highlordalarak25656 ай бұрын
I love that this happened to Snow of all ppl, after he did that nasty Scout play vs Arty.
@Maltbyr6 ай бұрын
Yeah, he deserved a beating like this.
@Andrei31116 ай бұрын
u were so satisfied to see your worst enemy be beaten by a bio terran player, artosisu is in heaven!
@damn6716 ай бұрын
Here's a perfect example. Soulkey just won ASL But Ample (who isn't even a top Terran player) demolished Soulkey in SCSL just a month ago. Winning a tournament doesn't you the "best".... sometimes, the stars just aligns in your favor
@MrZebub6 ай бұрын
Bless whoever recommend this game.
@SentoHug6 ай бұрын
Marines meat shielding the tanks. I love it.
@helloken6 ай бұрын
Wow that was different and exciting! It makes me feel like it's a shame that bio is not a legitimate option against Protoss. But still nice to know once in a while it can be brought in with the right mind games. The way siege tanks, bio, and wraiths were mixed together to counter reavers as best as they could was very impressive and interesting.
@somecooney53046 ай бұрын
Nice to see Terran breaking from monochromatic unit production. This will change the whole game.
@yyyy-uv3po6 ай бұрын
That wraith control though oO Completely denying the Reaver play. What a gamer!
@IfNedWereHere6 ай бұрын
Wow that was a really hype game. Showing the levels
@Xsifilad2 ай бұрын
I love how Artosis talks 5 min about how you can't go bio in PvT and then light goes 2x starport into Bio xD
@fluffydestroyer83363 ай бұрын
I absolutely love all the wraith plays we've been seeing lately, such a fun unit to see being microed well
@j.t.88486 ай бұрын
This was awesome. These unexpected builds and strategies are so refreshing
@comediansguidetotruecrime38366 ай бұрын
that was legit fucking beautiful to watch
@The_Audiobook_Channel6 ай бұрын
WOW. My Jaw was on the floor for most of this game. Thanks for such a great cast!
@TurboThunderGaming6 ай бұрын
Bio beats Protoss? More like everything but the kitchen sink beat Protoss. That was a wild mix of units. :D
@Fanelan0536 ай бұрын
Great cast as always, but I don't know if I'd say Marines and medic... Those tanks were pretty critical so I suppose it'd be more of a hybrid build
@aaronp25426 ай бұрын
Definitely flexing the 1-1-1 power of Terran
@Materialist396 ай бұрын
Light is a demon. Unbelievable to see how precisely he used 3 wraiths at any given point while also maneuvering MM around like that. I don’t see many players being able to pull off that degree of control or macro against a player like snow. Like I don’t fundamentally understand how he (or any one for that matter) can execute that so well.
@alexanderlinton69466 ай бұрын
Terran was tech switching every time for the direct counter. It’s like how Zerg does vs Protoss when they suddenly hatch 11 mutas
@michaelbird91482 ай бұрын
Missed this when it came out. What a beautiful game. Such interesting compositions and interactions. One of my favourite games I've watched in a while!
@tl7636 ай бұрын
Appreciate these casts Artosis
@infinityesq.42266 ай бұрын
Once Light had a position behind bridges one option he could have chosen is 2 dropships and drop mnm into main probe line, its tough for pvt to respond properly and its not even much investment for light. What a nice versatile build
@00Noontide4 ай бұрын
Gg, thanks for the cast Artosis.
@syrus12576 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this cast
@yrag896 ай бұрын
The way blizzard intended terran army to be.
@logan600rr6 ай бұрын
Great games lately Artosis. Keep up the S tier casts!
@Jamesgalc-gs8wu6 ай бұрын
We just witnessed Light changing the META for TVP to what irlt should have been all along. 🎉🎉🎉
@marcgroetsch2216Ай бұрын
I enjoy these videos thanks Bro !!!! Keep up the good work Sir
@freehatespeech68045 ай бұрын
This is some heroic Slayers Boxer stuff right here
@DexterMorris886 ай бұрын
God damn I love light. He’s such an exciting player to watch. Thanks for casting Arty
@bfors84986 ай бұрын
light always seems to have twice as many units as anyone else at a given point in the game
@ObeliskM6 ай бұрын
TvP bio is very cool, a pity it so rare. You have to be really great at micro to kill reavers, or kill protoss before he gets them.
@Lancaster716 ай бұрын
gotta keep those wraiths dancing all day! great game!!
@GASHPAN6 ай бұрын
Woah what a strat. GGs!
@dirkauditore84132 ай бұрын
Nothing has hyped me quite as much as this game. That was beautiful. Btw Reaver aint the main problem for M&M, its the freaking Shuttle. Without Shuttles, playing around Reavers would be MUCH MUCH easier when using bio.
@edwardp77256 ай бұрын
I dont think you realize the insane control and apm required to push like this. This was unreal.
@dirkauditore84132 ай бұрын
Only the best terran in the world can pull it off
@horationelson21536 ай бұрын
Fun game. Good casting. Thanks!
@alexandrucirtu65066 ай бұрын
fantastic game! really enjoyed this one
@basimaziz6 ай бұрын
S rank game! And the wraiths, oh my GOODNESS. SO MUCH VALUE from those wraiths! So many observers and shuttles shut down. And the tank leap frogging and such a FAST PUSH from Light! AMAZING GAME!!!
@tunneltu6 ай бұрын
So nice to see some novelty and that it actually worked gg
@nooneinparticular33706 ай бұрын
Can't believe he went for bio, what a mad lad!
@secondjoint6 ай бұрын
I had never seen wraiths used like this! Hope to see more of this becoming a meta
@alextelegin64676 ай бұрын
Found a perfect counterplay to Snow) aka 'I know that you'll be going reavers'
@TheBryceWade6 ай бұрын
A good ol' Marine Tank roflstomp.
@charlescook55426 ай бұрын
Artosis getting chills ✅
@joebazooks6 ай бұрын
OOHHH DOUBLE WRAITHBOW!!
@kerviuskuroshiba51206 ай бұрын
I have always wondered in TvP where the wraiths are used like in this game more often. Even if P went Arbiter as well, a few wraiths can sneak by and snipe them down if they dare try to Recall into the main/expansions.
@mayalabo39066 ай бұрын
I love to see Bio vs Toss more~
@railenmiles6 ай бұрын
wowzers that was nuts
@buneuocheng6786 ай бұрын
What a strong push! Light, well done! Haven’t seen strong wraith played like this before to stop Shuttles and Reavers. It really helped out the team very efficiently. Nice game for both players!
@Elboy5225 ай бұрын
So satisfying to see protoss losing so fast
@ObeliskM6 ай бұрын
Now as I think, marines + tanks can kinda work vs protoss, since tanks counter reavers, while marines counter zealots even better than vultures, and counter dragoons as well; their damage output is so high. Of course you need wraiths or goliaths to counter shuttles
@animalcrossingbay2 ай бұрын
Wraiths: weak vs Protoss Bio: weak vs Protoss Wraiths AND Bio: Strong vs Protoss?
@karpai54276 ай бұрын
He had medics. He could blind the observers to decrease maximum supply of protoss. Not that he was ever supply blocked but still, could be funny.
@justincronkright50256 ай бұрын
WAIT WAIT WAIT, wasn't it 76 or *probably/perhaps* it was that slightly other 'side-by-side' main bases map that the Protoss to Terran (cam't remember his name) went full Wraiths into later drops on the high platforms in the last A.S.L.
@StrangeAttractor16 ай бұрын
Double Starport all the way across the skyyyyy...
@abstractdaddy13846 ай бұрын
Awesome game. Love watching stimmed marines shred zealots. Also, does this necessarily have to be an all-in? Even if it doesn't kill toss, it could at least do serious damage to them and prevent them from expanding. Meanwhile while they're on the backfoot terran can tech up and expand?
@solstice8716 ай бұрын
Well, it’s still an all-in in that you have to do significant damage with the push or you will be so far behind
@renetorres11593 ай бұрын
light guy has been around since boxer time
@Enruler6 ай бұрын
Holy hell the mind games
@rareroe3056 ай бұрын
Cool build!
@nHautamaki6 ай бұрын
I imagine this game is how the designers thought pvt would work at high level way back when they first made the game.
@stambe86056 ай бұрын
They sure did, ive read about it somewhere, except the Wraith part. They intended the use of Tank+M&M to be the main army composition, but they didnt take the power of Reavers and Storm into account.
@nHautamaki6 ай бұрын
@@stambe8605 Well I bet they did indeed think cloaked wraiths would counter reavers in shuttles or at least make it hard to use, and that science vessels with EMP would counter high templars and ghosts with lockdown would counter carriers. In fact this, along with a lot of drop ships, is exactly what Heartcutter always advocated as the best or correct way to play terran. He called it 'Deep 6' because he would fast expand (for the era) and crank out 6 barracks and 2 factories and a starport or 2. He only built 1 wraith, to deter reavers and scout with, then rushed up to science facility to get science vessels and ghosts with lockdown for his end game comp. He got some pretty decent wins against good competition for the time, talking like 2000-2002ish. But even then Koreans were showing that mech was the easier way to play so his style never caught on, but it was nostalgic to see Light bringing a version of it back.
@Ace_Dreemurr10 күн бұрын
@@nHautamaki you realise how micro intensive would it be to play that way, how easy to lose as well one bad engage and you're done, emp is so slow that probably templars could use storm anyway ghost don't do well against toss anyway
@EebstertheGreat6 ай бұрын
I don't think I've ever seen someone switch to bio _after_ they've already seen reavers.
@ThunderChickenBucket3 ай бұрын
I_was_hoping_youd_cast_this_one_great_game
@hackerj236 ай бұрын
SICK GAME
@martinbalke18436 ай бұрын
This game was insane. Props to Dudenerd for the recommendation! If he has any more you should cast those too.
@adrianx82436 ай бұрын
amazing game thank you
@Skybert886 ай бұрын
Insane how confident Light was with his wraith play, won him the game for sure
@sammaier44856 ай бұрын
I love Protoss. Protoss is the Terran Music of Starcraft races
@Maltbyr6 ай бұрын
This is brutal
@elchinolatino156 ай бұрын
This is why i love starcraft. Wow what a game and casted by the best to ever do it.
@dillonhansen716 ай бұрын
Time to eat breakfast and watch StarCraft
@ivankuzin83886 ай бұрын
Same, only he it is late lunch time :D
@Killgore526 ай бұрын
Fuck yeah! We gotta see this build more! Screw Stinky Protoss!
@neuroblast16816 ай бұрын
6:32 DOUBLE RAINBOW?!!
@Ulubai2 ай бұрын
Went bio just to get over the bridges easier what a chad
@alexanderson38376 ай бұрын
Loved this game!
@brianhernandez71476 ай бұрын
Holy cow what a difference in gameplay. Marines get so many last hits on those marines after the siege tank fire.
@user-yl6zl5mq8b6 ай бұрын
Терраны молодец, не сдавайся! Посмотрел очень интересно спасибо за видео ❤️🤩
@n1ckname2466 ай бұрын
OMG, one of the best games I've ever seen!
@dungeonsynthzine6 ай бұрын
A different level entirely.
@chigbungus49773 ай бұрын
sick game. Love how the wraiths give the benefit of preventing zealot bombs.
@dirkauditore84132 ай бұрын
Wraiths were the true mvps, supporting the tank/marine combo