Can Comac’s C919 Compete With Boeing's 737 Airplane? | WSJ U.S. vs. China

[@jujuchrys]

Now it's good time to rewatch this video...

[@WQ94]

Hahahaha😂😂😂😂

[@RL-mu9nc]

Could you tell me why? Sorry I’m not getting the point.

[@nepaliman5716]

​@@RL-mu9nc because now it is in production and 3 airlines are flying it.

[@icyfence1141]

@@RL-mu9ncbecause boeing is seen as untrustworthy because they’re skipping parts of production for money

[@dobridin]

Really like the Leap naming scheme: A for Airbus, B for Boeing, C for Comac. So we have the ABC of aviation😃

[@喵队长]

Wow, I just noticed that.

[@leihtory7423]

French have Dassault aviation Brazil is Embraer aviation. ABCDE.

[@BluishDagger]

@@leihtory7423 👍

[@chaoshi72]

haha

[@dobridin]

@@leihtory7423 Leta revive the Fokker, continue with Gulfstream and so on :D

[@freddiesflightreviews]

The C919 seems like its more based on the A320 than the 737 to me. Especially now that the A320 is selling faster than the 737 it would have been good to see it in this comparison

[@brockpitcher8911]

Its interesting that is has the size and performance values of the 320 but the aesthetics of the 220. either way you'll never catch me dead in a Chinese plane regardless if they copied a reliable manufacturer

[@Naranjus]

That’s implying that first of all you’re economically capable of affording a plane ticket and second of all airbus has a factory in China not to mention the fact that many components in not just aviation but also computer component are made by Chinese manufacturers in China, just as pretty much everything in your working class home is essentially made in China by Chinese people. Ignorance will never get you anywhere and probably has never gotten you anywhere in life, lucky for you that’s exactly what you want

[@BNU30C]

The A320 was the best aircraft to copy so that’s what China did.

[@alieffauzanrizky7202]

Because 737's design was made way back from the 60s while the a320 was designed more recent and with better technology at that time.

[@sweetchuggagun]

Well, that's WSJ American bias

[@ricecakeboii94]

Competition is always a good thing. Prevent Boeing from going lazy or stopping innovations so they can stuff more to their CEOs’ pockets.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Airbus. China will drive down quality and safety.

[@hwong1776]

@@Robert-cu9bm Boeing built a plane that CRASHED ITSELF and tried to blame the pilots. Like come on

[@ARyanCoke]

Not from a country like China it's not. They are all about the copy someone else's tech and ideas and paste them..

[@jonseilim4321]

@@Robert-cu9bm Boeing seems to be doing that already, a real nosedive one might say

[@EuvMa-qq7yk]

@@Robert-cu9bm Lol Boeing drives itself down, quite literally

[@pvmilk]

Now, I will probably choose to fly on Comac C919 than Boeing 737 Max.

[@jamesau4296]

Cool to see How much Southeast Asian low-cost carrier will COMAC be able to persuade to buy C919, especially those who previously bet big on 737max but found themselves stranded

[@Nizo1]

i am not sure if a first generation airplan from a new manufacturer is going to be better or safer than anything from boeing. i understand taht their quality controle has been terrible in recent years but can it be worst than the C919 ? we will have to see

[@pgtan9708]

Whenever China enters a technological field for the first time, there is fear n disbelief amongst pro-Western/Western observers/experts. However, no matter whether u're cynical, skeptical or pessimistic, China have overcome many technological challenges in the past, as shown by its prowess in space technologies and high speed trains. With China, it's only a matter of time before it takes the lead in any technology it chooses to enter.

[@pgtan9708]

@@ouyayubetay7795 Yes, generally, they stole ideas n technologies from each other. US stole most from UK n Germany. It is a fact that without Japanese, French, German n Italian technologies, China would not be in the forefront of HSR technologies !

[@leonelgaldinomonteiro4783]

Sure

[@coreysanders7140]

The avionics and engines are all made by western companies.

[@pgtan9708]

@@coreysanders7140 Probably will be phased out within 5 yrs.

[@pgtan9708]

Toyoda copied British cars n became the 2nd biggest vehicle company in the world !

[@markomicovic5308]

919 doesn't have to compete with boeing. It is enough that it exists, instead of buying someone else's, they will produce their own. A big win for China and a big loss for Boeing.

[@tadhgcronin175]

Precisely.

[@UncleBensChannel]

Russian, eh?

[@zes3813]

wrrrg

[@Jay_Bee1]

Interesting that you compare it to the 737 when China uses more a320s than 737s, also due to geopolitics, i can see china turn towards airbus even more

[@athenaqilin8354]

I wonder why.. I would use Airbus too, now to make its own.

[@franzchong5889]

i would not be surprised if most follow suit.a mix of a220,a320 and maybe these as 737 replacements worldwide.

[@LuLeBe]

American bias probably. You can see it when they say that "even the A320neo" is modern. Well, it's the most modern jet of that size there is. Certainly more modern than Boeing, as evident by their outdated crew alert system.

[@franzchong5889]

@@LuLeBe all 737's fuselage and passenger size excepted have a cabin that dates back to the era of the 707,720 and 727 before it.whereas Airbus is a lot newer by 3 decades.a fairer comparison would be the a220 if measured as a domestic plane

[@nickngunjiri4282]

China turned to Airbus making it the largest aircraft seller in the world, Airbus has the largest market in China

[@auhgnist]

An expensive and despicably late fix is the current Max. One can never forget how irresponsible and unprofessional boeing has been on the first version.

[@SK-lt1so]

They can't control that other airlines didn't train properly.

[@jackwang1238]

……那就是个高空炸弹，送机上每个乘客去见上帝，现在还有多少航空公司愿意开？😂

[@zes3813]

wrgg

[@chngcheehwee5433]

and gina is forcing others to continue buying 737 😂😂😂

[@LawasSarawak]

@@SK-lt1so Boeing own management problem m no deflection entertain

[@VicariousVoyager]

It's bizzare journalism to compare the C919 to the 737 without the A320 family of aircraft. In many ways the 737 is an antiquated design that's be resurrected generation after generation in the name of cost saving (which ultimately lead to the MCAS situation). You also fail to mention the immesnese support the C919 will receive from the domestic Chinese aviation market as most major Chinese airlines are, at least partially, state owned and hence will receive a lot of pressure to purchase these planes. This will undoubtedly help the the C919 in terms of sales with 1/5 of the global aviation market backing it. Unlike the MC-21, this will help the C919 mature and improve.

[@ifgoh]

US media is all about biased reportings.

[@joashyoung2622]

The A320 family is the present-day and future benchmark for this Chinese plane

[@magtube90]

Let hope the C919 could help drive down air ticket price for the travelers.

[@phungtu1084]

this is the most important thing for all passengers.

[@manuelcunharocha8889]

I don't think that's a significant aspect of ticket prices though.

[@karozimathestar929]

Ticket prices largely depend on fuel

[@Gaarsl]

ticket price is not a big deal. c919 will create hundreds of thousand of jobs, then promote consumption and lift up living standard.

[@vihodanyet]

Ticket prices are already incredibly low for consumers

[@thetroyzernator]

Weird to frame this as Comac vs Boeing. It's not. It's Comac vs Airbus. The 737 is on death's door.

[@cezarnebun9607]

LOL...I TOTALLY AGREE...ALONG WITH THE 777

[@AMCustomCoasters]

The 737 is the best selling commercial jet in the world

[@josephc.9520]

@@AMCustomCoasters Correct. But outside of America, I think not. Naive patriotism

[@cezarnebun9607]

@@AMCustomCoasters ha ha ha…you sure about that?

[@CityWhisperer]

@@AMCustomCoasters The A320 is selling more than the 737 as we speak.

[@mohammadcheema7375]

This was a strange report which seemed to miss a key point. It’s clear the Chinese are starting small and seeing where geopolitics and the economy takes them. They have the money for this to be a learning experience rather than a serious business proposition.

[@isoboy2125]

It's not a report. We're watching US being insecure about another country's budding commercial aviation industry. 💁

[@tadhgcronin175]

Of course it's a strange report. It's narrative rather than journalism.

[@chngcheehwee5433]

China airlines has a total fleet of at least 2000 aircrafts...

[@ecrush5080]

I hope Comac to be successful in their endeavour.

[@Baz.007]

At the start, C919 is bound for the Chinese domestic market. But given their obvious geopolitical tension with the Western currently and moving forward in light of Taiwan, being able to source 100% component domestically is probably one of their biggest challenge.

[@wonderlander]

The whole history of modern China is nothing but challenge.

[@TheRandCrews]

@Yee Tian would Japan tho? They already bought the Canadian Regional jet now being the Mitsubishi Regional jet and the halted Spacejet type aircraft still probably on the table not sure if they would get the Comac C919, would show cause they would’ve tried adopting the ARJ-21 then

[@bearpolo3618]

Over 30% of the parts, including the engine, are made by international suppliers. The engine is made by CFM International, a 50-50 joint venture between American GE Aviation and French Safran Aircraft Engines, even though China has already developed its own CJ-1000A engine. It's by design to use more parts from International suppliers.

[@freeworld88888]

no country can source 100%, even boeings or air bus. china supply a lot of materials to boeings and airbus too because it is cheaper

[@johanhirte9661]

@Yee Tianno we in Germany also discuss now with the French if we should supply parts to comac and stop this plane maybe. The tensions between Europe and China are there as well. And japan ..? Come on…

[@jensensean7118]

China was unable to and least willing to build a large scale civilian aviation industry when it first started its Opening & Reform in 1978. However, through the decades it realized the importance of the civilian aviation industry and the unsustainable costs of full reliance on the West. The Chinese nation is not that ambitious, unless it is forced to. However the aggressiveness and greed of the US and Europe are forcing China to solve the problem on her own. Good luck to all.

[@davidlee7997]

Yun 10

[@afunguynamedkawhi7959]

China isn't aiming international sales of the C919, it could save a lot of money for its domestic airlines by reducing imports. It's good for everyone if it can put a dent on the Airbus and Boeing duopoly.

[@a2xd94]

I’m also all for some competition for Airbus and Boeing, but I would think that even if they don’t publicly state it, there are plans to take the aircraft global. I’m sure they’re planning on how to offer support internationally.

[@tadhgcronin175]

Precisely. And other customers in Russia and Iran. 2 billion air travelers and no climate BS to worry about.

[@a2xd94]

@@tadhgcronin175 ‘no climate bs to worry about’? What climate bs? You mean the completely clear reality of having to reduce emissions globally?

[@SquirtleCODM]

Id rather Sukhoi than a Comac..

[@a2xd94]

@@SquirtleCODM you should have told Vlad PooTin that before February 24th 2022

[@pavise6333]

I think A320Neo should be the benchmark instead of 737 Max 8

[@haiacninc]

Headline is US vs China. Cant be French and German vs China. Gotta be US vs China. 😏

[@herceg6772]

There is A320neo then many empty spaces the C919 and B737 crash 8! So don’t mix A320 with the other planes

[@danielfchen8895]

I’ve flown both planes and personally I like flying the Max more than the Neos. It’s much more powerful and fun when it comes to the thrust. But one negative thing about the max is it takes forever to start up. Clogging the taxi and gates are a big pet peeve for many pilots like myself. But quite honestly spec to spec they are very similar.

[@alexlo7708]

Agree , they also has A321LR which can fly long route like twin aisle large airplane.

[@alejandrosalazar8766]

@@danielfchen8895 Do you like having to have software correct an inherent imbalance in the plane's design at all times? I guess for fighter jets that's fine and dandy. For commercial? Give me the 320 anytime.

[@brothermanv]

Visually, it looks much more like a direct competitor to Airbus rather than Boeing

[@cuckoonut1208]

@Yanjee Optimistic bloke here.

[@cuckoonut1208]

@Yanjee Progress in those areas is simply materialistic, what really matters is progress for the Chinese soul. Don't be a slave.

[@t8polestarcyan22]

Boeing is on collision course...

[@vondahe]

This will be the preferred aircraft for domestic, Chinese traffic. It's unlikely that any western airline will want these but the biggest growth markets are in the non-Western countries, anyway. The lack of global support is not a problem - it's a business opportunity which someone will surely be happy to catch.

[@williamaseng]

They will probably focus on regional market like ASEAN, Russia, Middle east, South America.

[@vondahe]

@@williamaseng I doubt the Middle East will buy these. Their airlines fiercely compete on their brand of quality and a Chinese plane is unlikely to fit into that narrative. As for South America, COMAC might have sold a few to Bolivia and Venezuela but that's not enough to create regional service and spare part centres. Russia may have no other choice, so that could be an option if China is willing to finance the export. Of the ASEAN countries, I think only Indonesia would be realistic, but following the SSJ100 crash, they may be weary of all new plane types.

[@williamaseng]

@@vondahe yeah when I said middle east, I meant middle east is like Iran, Syria. Maybe if the track record is good and they are able to make wide body and increase the efficiency, the rich gulf countries will buy it too, but I don’t see it in 10 year time. They have to work really hard for it, or if they can invent green tech engine. Thailand bought Chinese submarine, i can see them buying this. Vietnam is a communist country, very possible. Laos, Myanmar are too poor at this time. Lol African countries are possibilities too.

[@williamaseng]

@@Theactualstoic as I said, they will not buy it now especially with this being a small commercial airplane, but if they can prove that the airplane is safe over long period and they can improve the technology and efficiency. I don’t see why not. With the new green technology, any country that can invent an engine with green fuel such as hydrogen will have an advantage for the future. China has improved a lot in terms of engineering. They have led some parts of the world like AI, drones, high speed trains, 5G, electric vehicles, etc. The US understands if they don’t curb China’s advancement now, it will be too late especially on the semiconductor as it is the brain of everything. Even the US doesn’t have technology to stop the hypersonic missiles and China had shown the world that the missile will reach anywhere in the world. You can laugh or troll China whatever you want, but China is here and they don’t play around. You will be the one who suffers if you underestimate your enemy.

[@kentershackle1329]

within next 2 decades its projected China alone gonna need around 8500 of various sizes of brand new planes... No worries COMAC will hv it hands full just catering domestically.

[@gunsumwong3948]

I think WSJ misses the main point. China has never intended for Comeac C919 to compete with Boeing 737. The US never learns that China's aim is to compete with itself to become better. C919 will be for fulfilling the domestic market in the short term. China will make it safe, learn from its shortcoming and improve on the product without reference to the product outside. China has a lot of friendly countries who would welcome C919 so initially China would be able to stretch C919 to fly overseas. Any country institutes hostile reception to C919 will be met with China's reaction because China for a very long time will remain the biggest world's biggest market which China will be able to use effectively to any hegemonic bully.

[@cuckoonut1208]

They ripped off the A320. Boeing is not in the picture at all.

[@forbeginnersandbeyond6089]

So you mean China will use its large market to be the new hegemonic bully. It already used it against Australia and ASEAN countries.

[@newschaser6414]

So naive

[@wonderboy751]

The father of Boeing was a chinese. His name is Wong Tsu, he was Boeing’s first engineer

[@guangxidavidliu]

@@wonderboy751 AND the last principal engineer was a Chinese from TW.

[@chickendumpling242]

What if they never wanted to compete...just like NASA rejected Chinese cooperations, so they made their own...

[@rocky137]

Well, you won't find Boeing and Airbus banning China, it a pretty lucrative business

[@chickendumpling242]

@@rocky137 US telecom companies does not want to ban Huawei techs, but it is banned anyways. Companies do not really have a choice actually.

[@yangsong5084]

cause this is more so a commercial aircraft and commercial for-profit companies are meant to compete in the world market. NASA however is not a for-profit company and thus they can reject people

[@AFlyingCookieLOL]

@@chickendumpling242 Well NASA wanted to work with China, this includes the scientific community. It's the US government that decided to be a giant wall for innovation and research.

[@chickendumpling242]

@@AFlyingCookieLOL True, but NASA is a official agency of the government

[@Stephen-we6do]

The US: "We support free market" Also the US: *bans companies from working with competitors*.

[@gunsumwong3948]

Two-face Harvey!

[@puzhao1639]

HUAWEI: been there

[@cuckoonut1208]

With Commies.

[@phyybalance2601]

Can you imagine China capture Apple CEO‘s daughter because China doesn’t like the competition from Apple, the phone giant from the US?

[@DonGivani]

@@puzhao1639 Huawei is a stupid example, those guys are spying

[@draker769]

They will continue to improve it. The road ahead is challenging but they must continue. I'm happy they dare to partake in the challege

[@Pfyzer]

that's good, competition better for us all

[@cuckoonut1208]

A communist plane has no chance at all.

[@alexlo7708]

@@cuckoonut1208 But US govt now are practicing communist way in control and command the private market sector.

[@christopersambeli2823]

have you seen the current boeing debuckle

[@thabotshabalala7114]

Already better looking than 737, probably safer too

[@cliffrunner]

an interesting fact: the initial model of C919 has a much shorter range than A320 or B737. As it is the first of its kind, COMAC is very conservative with design, using older, heavier, but more reliable materials than the newer ones.

[@paultsjan6047]

The world is big enough to cater to aircraft manufacturing company like Boeing, Airbus and the newly company like China's COMAC. China domestic airlines alone needs 8000 aircraft to service its domestic market of 1.4 billion people. China's C919 is the answer to China domestic market for short and medium flights all over China and it suit China requirement.

[@ainz1325]

Yes thats good for domestic only will never have permit to travel to other airspace

[@wintersbattleofbands1144]

But they'll have to build more than two a year. The one just delivered this week is one of the hand built test models. Delivered to take focus off the protests. Interviewee touched on that. Standardization.

[@paultsjan6047]

@@ainz1325 You are full of incomprehension and callowness with your lofty opinion. Lol!!!

[@paultsjan6047]

@@wintersbattleofbands1144 Do you have any proof to back up your assumption!!!

[@paultsjan6047]

@@wintersbattleofbands1144 C919 jet has gone through years of testing and has completed all required trial flights. Commercial aircraft must go through the rigorous testing process for airworthiness before the production and delivery of new aircraft. There are three certificates required for the delivery of an aircraft in China. One is a type certificate, which indicates that the model design of the aircraft meets requirements; the second is a production certification, which indicates that the manufacturing of the aircraft meets national standards; the third is an individual aircraft certificate, indicating that each plane delivered to airlines complies with requirements. C919 jet has completed all the test flights needed to obtain an airworthiness certificate from the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC), marking another milestone in the rapid development of China's first homegrown passenger jet.

[@paulchen117]

The primary goal, initially, is to reduce dependency on foreign aircraft purchasing and increase competition domestically. This is their first domestically built commercial aircraft. Initially, it is naturally that they depend on foreign-sourced parts. That is normal progress. Eventually, they will gradually build their own parts and expand to build more advanced aircrafts. Whether it is a copy of Boeing, Airbus, or whatever, they will eventually get there in the next 8-10 years and beyond.

[@JDAbelRN]

China will never develop reliable and efficient engines.

[@karozimathestar929]

I doubt. All this time they didn’t bring to the market/ world any good brand automotive yet.

[@milkoowen6800]

​@@karozimathestar929 your own ignorance is the issue. Their high speed trains and automobiles are world class.

[@jatwangismyname900]

​@@karozimathestar929Update your current knowledge

[@Ghosy01]

@@karozimathestar929 dude seriously ? china is the biggest automobile maker rn

[@M1chlos]

Strange omission of A320 family from this conversation. Maybe because they already dominate Boeing.

[@dannykwan7581]

That's how the US propaganda works.

[@TJBellamy99]

The 737 is the most common plane in the World though 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@spooky.-]

They don’t dominate Boeing. They have slightly more sales.

[@TJBellamy99]

@@spooky.- and that’s only recently because of the 737 max groundings

[@gkheng]

you know this is from wsj? A320 should be covered by afp😂

[@BlueEagleSG]

Never want to take the 737 Max series. Dangerous!

[@abhisheksoni2980]

As an Indian, China is our enemy and competitor. But at the same time, nothing but respect for their innovation, hardwork and entrepreneurial spirit! I mean, how many countries have guts to even try breaking the Boeing-Airbus duopoly?

[@humanguu9121]

China & western countries stole technology from superpower India. Proof is India have Flying vimanans since Mahabharata times.

[@pettahify]

India and China's conflict about some border areas is just ridiculous. Just meet at the negotiation table and settle the issue already, and then you can stop being enemy's and focus on peaceful competition in the markets.

[@Vasanthakumarep]

It's funny because, China does not even consider India as its competitor 😂😂😂. China considers USA as its competitor for all practical purposes.

[@bhangura3026]

@@Vasanthakumarep USA way ahead in Aeuronatics and Semi Conductor in front of China , So USA also Consider China a Small boy

[@rohitsinghyxrs]

​@@bhangura3026 yeah that's why they're so insecure of that small boy that they keep banning them ....this shows US A hypocrisy and fear of loosing the #1 title 😂

[@richardbloemenkamp8532]

It is totally understandable that China has enough of paying high prices to foreign companies. Chinese engineers are well-trained and hard-working. They have built moon and mars landers. Of course China will eventually fly Chinese planes in China and not planes from the US or from Europe. The same with cars in particular EV's and other high-tech such as electronics. And potentially they will be more competitive than Europe and the US and take a dominating share of the international market. It is deserved because the Western CEO's, CFO's and stockholders had dollar signs in their eyes seeing China as a huge export market for technological products so they could gain more money. The Chinese liked the products and learned how to produce them themselves even more efficiently than the Western exporters. Those who play with fire eventually get burned. Who knows what will happen but it is good to see China growing up and taking care of itsself. In the meantime the Western technological industry is becoming ever more entangled in bureaucracy, regulations, audits, short-term optimization and seem to lack research in their core products to make any real advances. The fact that the traditional dominating car-brands totally missed the EV-transition shows that investment in innovation is largely insufficient in most Western countries.

[@dasbubba841]

Obvious pro-China propaganda aside, the West dominates in aerospace technology. This is because it is a capital-intensive, research-intensive field that has a very high barrier to entry. There is a reason why the Chinese Airforce is still dependent on Russian engines for basically all of its aircraft (China's domestic engines still have tremendous teething issues). And Chinese development is still highly dependent on government support. What the government sees as a priority gets massive support, while other sectors are left to starve.

[@Mariobrownio1989]

It's not designed to win, just to be good and safe enough for Chinese local markets 😎💪which in itself is an achievement, but not everything is a zero sum game where C919 is the "Boeing or Airbus killer" or something crazy like that

[@jonseilim4321]

I think the C919 won't be exported for years, production hasn't ramped up and there's just so many orders from the mainland, almost 300 orders?

[@mancubwwa]

"good and safe enough for chinesee local markets" so not good or safe at all..

[@BSPBuilder]

@@mancubwwa ??? China's aviation safety record is actually pretty good.

[@dash8139]

@@mancubwwa China's aviation safety record is very good actually.you would know that if you actually looked for facts and not comment based on the stereotypes.

[@Mariobrownio1989]

@@mancubwwa people used to say that for Chinese made cars, and they have come a long way since. Over time Chinese jet liners will improve too :)

[@Veritech]

Boeing planes are kamikaze planes. As long as the C919 doesn't crash, I'll take that over Boeing any day. I always avoid Boeing planes when flying on airlines so I use Jetblue because they use Airbus.

[@MohamedAhmed-i1t1n]

Americans incessant love of capitalism will inevitably be their loss

[@wayne8797]

It’s interesting how they are blacklisted from buying parts but not the final product.

[@leonardofonseca1844]

think when you buy separate part, you also get datasheet and other crucial info, which would be necessary to reverse engineer that thing

[@Mariobrownio1989]

Yep, it is just trade war. The US claims it is worried about the IP selling a component to China, while China already has thousands of the same component on the Boeing jets China already owns

[@lettucesalad3560]

You want China back to the Rickshaw?

[@asiaman9462]

It's interesting, too, for you to look into the results of blacklisting China from the ISS and Huawei: China has built its own space station and soon the world will see only one space station working after the retirement of the US-led ISS and now Huawei dominates the 5G market globally, specially now in the Middle East. In the area of stealth jet fighters, look into China's stealth J-20 fighters: they successfully approached and locked in US F-35s in the East China Sea last March?

[@jetli740]

@@leonardofonseca1844 your comment show you an arm chair general mechanic. seriously you think buy part and that magically became an airliner 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Wallacenawa]

Don't underestimate the tenacity of the Chinese. Look at how the car market was 20 years ago and today Chinese Trucks and General-purpose cars are becoming common at half price and getting reliable too. Give it a few years and there will be a third real aircraft company and it will be Chinese.

[@cuckoonut1208]

Not yet reliable though.

[@alejandrosalazar8766]

@@cuckoonut1208 cars like China's BYD are both reliable AND cheap. They're very competitive in the market, and quickly gaining steam in European and Latin American markets. They're already selling far in advance of Tesla (but to be totally fair, Tesla is still generating more revenue given their margins per sale as a luxury car). If it's electric car market is anything to go by, Airbus and Boeing have newfound genuine competition with Comac.

[@리드-w7k]

Umm? chinese cars are still not popular Only chinese people buy chinese cars Thats why chinese companies focus on ev

[@t8polestarcyan22]

I'm more than confident that Comac's C919s to take more chunks off sales/shares off Boeing's 737s.

[@rhesaramadhan8474]

Giving the state of Boeing right now, I believe Comac can

[@t-dog7401]

It is kinda condescending to assume C919 is copying the 737 because the 737 design is so outdated, not compatible with newer engines and has caused so much trouble recently. If Comac is learning from any design it would be airbus.

[@JDAbelRN]

Best selling plane in history of the world.

[@t-dog7401]

@@JDAbelRN Indeed a master piece of aviation history but it is also true for boeing to design something new. .

[@hanice88]

Funny how the video image shows c919 heading down and Boing going up. The reality is the other way around...

[@olivertseng8466]

WSJ。。so you know

[@MuzMovMix]

US government to China: We don't like you. But you should buy more Boeing!

[@melleblanc8705]

COMAC will have no problem at all selling every 919 they can build for the next 10+ years. As soon as practical they should source more components/systems domestically. The US and EU will do everything/anything to slow Chinas industry growth, including reducing access to components needed.

[@gunsumwong3948]

Take my word for it. China has a plan B. It wouldn't have released C919 commercially if it couldn't control its future.

[@ibrahimtouman2279]

Sooner or later the collective west will put sanctions on COMAC and Chinese aerospace industries.. As a precaution, China should increase collaboration with Russia in building advanced aerospace technologies and products!

[@gunsumwong3948]

@@ibrahimtouman2279 It is my belief China is capable of manufacturing all the major components. To buy them from existing supply chain means C919 will be an international plane and the cost effective just like Airbus and Boeing planes. However if the rule changes and China will have to go it alone then all foreign planes can only be allowed into China if Chinese C919 could go to those countries in reciprocation. The supply chain manufacturers would want to supply parts to C919 so not all western countries would participate in sanction against China. On balance China intend to make C919 in the same way Being and Airbus do but it will have a contingency plan. China is of course can get parts and technical support from Russia. China has a plant to assemble airbus planes inside China and manufacture parts to airbus for many years. Thus China knows what it is doing.

[@wonderlander]

It is good for China, more challenges, more achievements

[@seanrowshandel1680]

The 737 sucks. Is there a new model for 2022 or something? I've been on the 737. It's not debatable. It's the worst Boeing probably. I remember the plane from the 90s when it was also the worst Boeing. Some Airbus was worse once, but I'm not really a reviewer and don't have the right to make a final statement (or anything which can be considered a judgement). That being said, Chinese manufacturing has never disappointed anyone. They also make disposable toys. It's an insult to the world to insult Chinese manufacturing (are you really a terrorizer?).

[@ambergris5705]

This video is so US-centric it's funny. It's like "China is dependent on the Boeing and the 737, and wants to be independent!" when then it shows that there are more Airbus aircrafts sold in China than Boeing's. Then it's "the 919 uses older technology than the 737 Max or even the A320 Neo", whereas in reality, Boeing is playing catching up to Airbus, with the outdated 737 airframe being stretched between the A320 family and the brand new A220 family. Plus, it's really concerned by the impact of trade disagreements between China and the US; while also acknowledging two minutes later that the 737 Max itself is a very international product with suppliers from everywhere and especially Europe, so China can easily bypass some of those trade concerns by ordering in Europe rather than the US... It seems like the people doing this video were a bit blindsided by their own American view of the world, and that's a problem, because it left out some crucial bits out of the information: the vulnerable position of Boeing with an ageing product lineup and no current future plans while Airbus is ramping up the charge; the added competition of a third player determined to break the duopoly; the repeated safety scandals who are preventing Boeing to respond to Airbus's charge and are increasing the latter's lead; the emerging (though fragile) relationship between China and Russia's respective platemakers which grants China access to a wide, decades-long and proven expertise; the fact that the Comac 919 doesn't have to be the perfect plane already, it's a learning ground gearing towards upscaling and bringing future world-class products... But yeah, this video could have been much better than it is now, just like Boeing could have been. I guess in that sense it's been faithful?

[@GilbertChuah-qc4ei]

Slowly, step by step, Comac will eventually arrive at it's destination and goal. Keep grinding

[@cuckoonut1208]

The scrap yard.

[@deezcars1793]

@@cuckoonut1208 🤣 got em

[@leihtory7423]

C919 is just China figuring out, that they can buy the plane parts from EU and USA. Then assemble the plane themselves. Just like Brazil Embraer. If Boeing and Airbus just outsource plane parts from other manufacturers. Why dont Chinese just buy the parts and build the plane themselves. Logic Eventually Boeing and Airbus can evolve to just selling plane parts. Fuselage, Wings, Landing Gears & etc.

[@lishen6347]

Keep on crying 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jetli740]

your logic is dumb.

[@sportsMike87]

competition is good. Lack of competition brought us the max tragedy.

[@Agentencat]

Nah that’s not true. The Max program grew out of desperation to rival the much more modern design of Airbus - the a320neo family. Doing a clean sheet design would have taken too long so Airbus would have been able to capture much of the market. So Boeing rushed the Max design. The issue is/was Boeings relationship with the FAA, valuing money over safety and (in part) competition from Airbus.

[@jchen666]

Max tragedy is pure corp greed.

[@biddeek1606]

@@Agentencat Is 737 Max safe now? FAA issued permits to 737 Max again. And it was FAA that issued permits to 737 Max before.

[@Agentencat]

@@biddeek1606 I don’t know, it’s probably safe but I won’t fly it soon. That’s why I said is/was

[@kurdi98k]

FAA is responsible for giving green light as well.

[@JW-bx4su]

Boeing 737 series was designed 50 years ago thou it continues to improve/upgrade on many things, like engine, control system, materials, over time. But the backbones and basic design in 737 are never changed. Becuase it is pretty much re-designing a new plane from scratch if you want to leverage the current aerodynamic concept and technology. This process will take many years and Boeing is seeing that it will lose the competition with Airbus. So Boeing took the short cuts to compete with Airbus, the most obvious evidence is the oval engines with the lowest ground clearance. Boeing even did not tell airlines that 737 Max is equipped with MCAS and no information is displayed in manuals so airlines do not have to spend time and money for extra pilots training. There are tons of issues we can discuss 737. C919 is a much modern airplane in terms of design and build. It is better than 737 in my mind. I would choose C919 over 737 Max if there are options.

[@rocky137]

It is not that c919is good, more so that 737max is terrible.

[@KarlenBell]

You're acting like Airbus doesn't exist, and as if China doesn't have A320s and A319s in service 🤣

[@JW-bx4su]

@@rocky137 If your opponent is worse than you, isn't that saying you are better?

[@JW-bx4su]

@@KarlenBell Airbus does not develop A319s ... I did not say anything about A320 here and I think A320 is good. If China can produce its airplanes with similar functionalities, the demand for Airbus will be reduced. And Airbus can sell these planes to where those planes are more needed. Isn't this a win-win situation for the world?

[@KarlenBell]

@@JW-bx4su What do you mean A319s are not developed by Airbus? 😂 Are you confusing it with A220? A220 is not developed by Airbus for sure.

[@JIANGTG]

ONE STEP AT A TIME , STRIVE TO MAKE IT FINE ....

[@odysliu9235]

I think Comac is happy enough when ppl ask the question "Can Comac's C919 compete with 737 airplane?" This is just their 1st plane and ppl think they might be comparable.

[@douginorlando6260]

It will dominate the huge Chinese airline sales. The follow-on design in a few years will sell around the world

[@kiyoshim9593]

Yeah because Chinese companies are partners with the government. The comac is more expensive that the competition

[@Ericccccccccccccc]

Thank you WSJ for advertising C919

[@kiyoshim9593]

They should post it in china as nobody in the western civilization is buying that plane.

[@musicgeniusful]

The US simply can't believe other countries are catching up and v. fast. Bravo China!

[@wayangpok]

No frankly it does know but just dont want it to happen is all.

[@eyeseeyu]

i heard that Boeing's pioneer engineer is a Chinese Mainlander. Chinese-born Wong Tsoo was The Boeing Company's first engineer and helped put the company on a sound footing. in the country, started in 1914 by Jerome Hunsaker, helped by graduate student Donald Douglas.

[@qcyp16888]

中文名叫王助，中国河北省南宫人。美国波音公司的第一位工程师。你不说我还真不知道现在查询资料才知道😂😂

[@riazhassan6570]

Being newer it is probably better in many ways than the 737. However, it still has to prove itself

[@oceanrem6531]

WSJ should do another video on COMAC in ten years.

[@JkJK-pb5qm]

5 years. Will Boeing still survive?

[@paulchen117]

They won’t. Western medias only reports the initial challenges and faults on everything that China does

[@kiyoshim9593]

@@JkJK-pb5qm Will you? Beoing delivered more than 1,400 737 max already

[@JkJK-pb5qm]

@@kiyoshim9593 Will you? Be cautious of those 1400 flying bombs. 😅

[@tibchy144]

C919 is a much more modern platform than 737 which is an outdated one.

[@周生生-f1f]

It is most definitely more appropriate to compare the A320 with the C919 strictly for both the design era (where the 737 is decades older and more antiquated than both), as well as the 737 MAX series scandals that will notably tarnish Boeing for years to come.

[@lancewood1410]

because the US ALWAYS thinks they are the center of the universe HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@jake1110]

@@lancewood1410 Nah, it's China that thinks it's center. China essentially means "central country"

[@lancewood1410]

@@jake1110 that's what you think🤣

[@RM-el3gw]

So in a decade's time we'll have a triopoly in the aviation industry in the 140+ seat aircraft segment. And with the Sino-Russian program to create an Eastern widebody, competition will also become heated in the widebody category...

[@cuckoonut1208]

Not going to happen. There's room for only two.

[@MonkeyDLuffy-yr6ko]

@@cuckoonut1208 look at cellphones

[@cuckoonut1208]

@@MonkeyDLuffy-yr6ko I'm talking about Airbus and Boeing.

[@ibrahimtouman2279]

@@cuckoonut1208 OK, then there will be only UAC from Russia and Comac from China in the future after both Boeing and Airbus go bust

[@pathomthavaradhara]

Since they have high speed rail all over the country, I think flying takes second priority.

[@jemodeu]

that is true, I prefer the bullet trains for the journey in 2000 km in China, other than a plane.

[@cezarnebun9607]

NOT REALLY...

[@franzchong5889]

the time poor don't always have time to take a train.

[@zhli4238]

Demand always drive technologies. China has the largest demand for passenger planes, I would not doubt that China will develop own commercial aircraft makers. I don't think they would depend on Boeing and Airbus forever.

[@polarcoffee]

Can a baby compete with a 50 year old giant? No. But not to forget, giant was once a baby too

[@Serpgamer]

Something this video doesn't mention is China's rail network. It's almost the biggest in the world, super convenient, and relatively cheap.

[@Pau_Pau9]

*A* irbus *B* oeing *C* omac

[@JayJayAviation]

*D* ouglas *E* mbraer *F* okker

[@Pau_Pau9]

*G* rumman *H* einkel *I* beravia

[@ralphzoombeenie2330]

20years ago who would have guessed Embraer of Brazil would be selling good commercial airliners worldwide. So don't underestimate China.

[@kiyoshim9593]

Like all these companies they are mostly state funded full of Corruption. Embraer sold the Tucano giving brives to Latin America Countries. The only build the chassis of the airplane, not the avionic, engine, drivetrain, etc.

[@chesthairascot3743]

I still don't want to fly on the 737 max. Aerodynamically unstable airplanes are entirely unsuitable for public transportation.

[@JayJayAviation]

It’s not aerodynamically unstable

[@alejandrosalazar8766]

@@JayJayAviation yes it is, to the degree that it needs persistent software calibration from its MCAS system to stop it from nosediving. Who would've thought ramming in an entirely different engine at a different distance from the design spec of the airframe would've changed the aerodynamic behavior of a plane, huh?

[@kiyoshim9593]

@@alejandrosalazar8766ANOTHER WRONG ANSWER. MCAS was designed to avoid Recertification of pilots.

[@t8polestarcyan22]

@@kiyoshim9593 And led to lost of lives lost.

[@kiyoshim9593]

@@t8polestarcyan22 Wow they should have hired you as boss and you would have avoided that.

[@shakiMiki]

Why does this report focus exclusively on Boeing? Airbus is now bigger. And hasn't ruined it's safety reputation.

[@DucaTech]

Because it's an American outlet, Wall Street Journal.

[@kiyoshim9593]

Life is like that, but Boeing will rebound again. Its a huge company, we just need their management to change to being normal people again.

[@revanthkrishna5791]

Dont underestimate them. They have bullet trains that could replace planes. They will do it.

[@damnjustassignmeone]

Their bullet trains were copies of other designs. So are their planes apparently.

[@Random_dud31]

Planes and trains are on completely different levels. But i hope they succeed. The more competition, the better for any industry

[@revanthkrishna5791]

@@damnjustassignmeone whatever the people in China benefit from them

[@ragabara1031]

@@damnjustassignmeone They have far more experience building and deploying HSR than the West. That's their competitive advantage. Not merely development of technological innovations, but the knowledge of where and when these innovations should be applied.

[@petergilkes7082]

@@damnjustassignmeone Yes, Definitely the planes. You can tell because it has wings each side, a tail unit at the back and cabin staff inside. Like they copied US rockets. ie Engines at the bottom, a pointy top end. When will they invent something on their own?

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Looking forward to how the C191 performs. I think it will go to Indonesia like the ARJ-21. They will definitely setup maintenance and support in other countries.

[@shawnsong6029]

C919 not C191

[@damarsastrowiyoto8100]

I had my doubt for C919. TransNusa choice of ARJ-21 mostly related to 35% of its share owned by China Aircraft Leasing Group. Yet Indonesian had a deep distrust of another brand of plane outside of Boeing and Airbus, where Indonesia is part of their Global Supply Chain. Not to mention the Sukhoi Superjet 100 incident.

[@kiyoshim9593]

It will perform almost like any plane with the General Electric CF34-10A Engine.

[@eliso5973]

US talks about decoupling or de-risking and China is helping US to achieve it. Now China doesn't need to buy planes from US, it's a good thing, right?

[@comments2840]

We are talking only about the Chinese market here. With the geopolitical risks with the Americans, the C919 has an enormous home advantage over Boeing. Even over Airbus in fact, due to the Americans political influence over EU countries.

[@cuckoonut1208]

Looking forward towards entertaining flight videos from china.

[@JDAbelRN]

What, EU can't think for themselves?

[@aviatorsound914]

What is the geopolitical risk of the C919 when it’s engine supply, could basically be shut down by these countries? Since it’s using the CFM LEAP.

[@Hanniballz313]

​@@aviatorsound914 the LEAP is used because it's the more commercially viable option. However, China does have its own CJ-1000 engine in development and can be swapped in if heavy sanctions hit. It won't have the same efficiency as the LEAP but it'll still work in a pinch

[@seayarwu8969]

@@aviatorsound914

[@JJr-ce3vv]

When China says something, you need to believe and respect them.

[@hermesliteratus882]

With the current geopolitical rivalry between the US and China, I am pretty sure Boeing will lose the Chinese market sooner or later.

[@JkJK-pb5qm]

Is losing...

[@Dan-el4mz]

And I doubt Chinese planes will be allowed in US airspace meaning their sales will be limited in north and South America

[@y4go650]

@@Dan-el4mz nah, the US doesn’t own South America anymore, China is very welcome to bring their aircrafts

[@truth959]

I think Comac can compete with Boeing. China definitely has the production capacity as well as a better safety record than Boeing.

[@martinhumble]

One falls apart. The other is Chinese

[@Marylandbrony]

Hey this isn't Wendover productions.

[@FlorianLaborde]

The Comac is based on the A320 - not the 737..

[@七月-x8q]

I am chinese, you are right.A320 are better

[@alexlo7708]

737 is 50 years old design. One should not imitate it.

[@cezarnebun9607]

THEY JUST WANTED TO ADVERTISE FOR BOEING...WHAT A SHAME

[@teratikkoanan7671]

Right direction for China, Own technology save money . C919 might not be the best , but the big step of Chinese's aviation development.

[@coganclothing9201]

Airbus A320: "im about to end you guys whole career"

[@ncff5028]

I think between us vs China. India is the best. ❤❤

[@creatormaxi8324]

I will choose C919 than Boeng 737 Max 😇😇😇

[@thomasrichard3166]

Thanks for the insight, but I'm still confused why Bitcoin and crypto prices keep dropping? This drop follows a number of other significant drops in recent weeks. I still hold enormous value of cryptos and it scares me. Whats your take on this?

[@cresponoe9451]

There are many reasons for this drop in value. One of the main reasons is that there is an ongoing debate about whether or not Bitcoin should be regulated as a security or as a currency.

[@beverly8480]

I would advice you to trade your assets rather than hodl for a future you aren't sure about, only predictions.

[@thomasrichard3166]

@@beverly8480 Well, I've tried but was so confused with the inflation in price, due to the pointers on how to make substantial progress in earnings?

[@beverly8480]

@@thomasrichard3166 If you are not conversant with the markets, I'd advise you to get some kind of advise or assistance from a financial/investing coach. It might sound basic or generic, but getting in touch with an investment broker was how I was able to outperform the market and raise a profit of $2.5M For me, its the most ideal way to jump into the market these days

[@thomasrichard3166]

@@beverly8480 That's sum cool profit. I dream of that

[@deevyanshubhatia4540]

WSJ strong with the American bias.

[@max1722]

hmmm, it makes sense since its a propagande machine.

[@abaj006]

I lost my confidence in Boeing after the 737 Max, which relied only on one sensor on an automated system that crashed two planes. I would not call that cutting edge by any means.

[@godzillamothra5983]

can Comac compete with a corporation that put profit above safety first, Boeing?

[@BSnicks]

C919 is cheaper. So it can't be about profit!

[@JL-po5on]

Wong Tsu (also spelled Wong Tsoo, Chinese: 王助; pinyin: Wáng Zhù; 10 August 1893 - 4 March 1965) was a Chinese aeronautical engineer who was the first aeronautical engineer at Boeing.

[@cuckoonut1208]

Wrong Sue.

[@jorual12]

It will be a long, challenging and very successful flight, thanks to the perseverance of the Chinese people. Private monopolies have to be broken. An arduous task for Chinese and Russians.

[@deveryhenderson8335]

you mean to the perseverance of american companies which supply over 60% of all parts for the C919?

[@bireswarhalder9765]

China will take some time to establish but stiff competition is expected beyond 2030 when other Comac model C929 and C939 will be ready.

[@joylm9108]

If China has been able to build rockets and space stations, building their own aircrafts will pose no challenge to them.

[@JDAbelRN]

It has been for THIRTY YEARS, then they copy the Western technology

[@satriojumeneng7055]

Everyone in the world should support C919 to reduce the price of air flights.

[@LuLeBe]

Older than "even the A320neo" is a statement only US journalists can make about the most advanced short-haul jetliner :D Especially while Boeing has to beg congress to extend permission to use an outdated warning system and having had to retrofit the aircraft with systems to make it compete which ultimately crashed 2 jets.

[@g5realestate280]

There is enough population to support all 3 brands. Don’t worry

[@benitochia8623]

Why keep comparing C919 with Boing 737 when it should be compare to Airbus 320?

[@kiyoshim9593]

Its a copy of the A320 with Most components from Western countries.

[@aaregiel]

Boeing was king yesterday, Airbus is it today, and tomorrow it will be Comac.

[@ralphzoombeenie2330]

Washington is getting in the way of business and will eventually cost US jobs. Developing a new aircraft is hugely expensive. No one company builds 100% so it makes sense to include China in development and lowering the financial risks. China is building it's own to guard against US sanctions and will ultimately succeed. It took Boeing 65years to progress from the B707-120 to today's aircraft. China will make a similar leap in 1/3 of the time (more engineers and more determination) Then goodbye a huge market so better to include them. As the space station has shown they are more than capable.

[@KellyBrownlee]

Boeing doesn't make all of its parts for their planes in the states; they get parts from around the world as well.

[@curtishu443]

It's a long-term strategic project that I don't see it will threat Boeing or Airbus in the near future but will eat some of their market shares starting from China then to those who are more price sensitive. How big that share will be really depends on how reliable/safe those planes are and how much costs they can save compared to Boeing and Airbus.

[@cnn787-i9e]

Beside cost, what's more valuable for China is the west tendency to use economic terrorism against any country that doesn't toe the line.

[@MrJamesGagliano]

The most advanced, best selling plane and the real benchmark in that segment is the A320neo, not the 787 - full stop. The piece is centreded on the US-China dualism, but it completely ignores the elephant in the room: that both have been trailing behind Airbus for a few years, and the gap is widening

[@darkphoton_15keV]

Typical WSJ. Thinks everything is about the US.

[@AmericanDayDream]

As long as Boeing 737 Max keeps crashing, C919 will be just fine🤧

[@juhantoon6524]

Why compare Boeing 737 to C919 and use the word compete? China domestic market is big enough to ensure C919 steady growth for the next 10 years. And when proven overtime, it will venture to sell to other non Western markets who will have the additional option when considering buying such narrow-body jet.