Can Earth's Future be Changed? | Orphan 55 | Doctor Who

[@Splain]

This scene makes me feel like I was physically beaten to near death by Chris Chibnall and Matt Strevens for not single handily ending world pollution while maintaining a minimum wage job.

[@Pepper888]

YES. God. Thank you.

[@JB_UD]

XDXDXDXD

[@marine463]

100% yes !

[@zaknelthepony7124]

You see, that's your problem. It costs a lot of energy to pay you money, and you should just work for free. That's will end pollution.

[@lyssvee]

There are easy choices, e.g. living vegan that can really change the world. And you can do this even with a minimum wage job.

[@Torpedex10]

this episode had the subtlety of a sledgehammer

[@justabit6526]

It was utter shite

[@kevinkelly5780]

Sledgehammers have a use, that mess doesn't

[@SenketsuFi]

ive used a sledgehammer more subtly

[@TauGeneration]

more like an atomic bomb

[@davidchism6081]

Or a bantha.

[@wr.en.]

Earth's fate is to be invaded by a few billion Bennis.

[@toastymaster4445]

To this day, I’ve never seen Orphan 55, and I don’t regret it.

[@joearber2550]

Get hammered on drinks, don’t take it seriously and just have a laugh with it and you can sort of enjoy it as a so bad it’s good story

[@alexanderwalker3906]

It’s bad but it’s not as bad as people make it out to be. It’s just kind of “ehhh”

[@kunaal_1928]

Sums up the NMD fan base; I have no idea what I’m talking about, but I’m going to randomly pass opinion anyway

[@hothemeep1219]

You don't regret watching an episode you never watched?

[@hothemeep1219]

@@Payne2view it's a luck you never lived during a world war then 🤣

[@VeteranScout-j8s]

This episode would of been better if all the monsters were abzorbaloffs.

[@franzferdinand9093]

Ruined opportunity.

[@GoodKingMort]

Or Slitheen 😂

[@DoctorWhoHugh]

oh please no, as much as I hate this episode, the dregs were a brilliant concept

[@METALFREAK03]

would have indeed

[@giladzxc17]

#RIPDOCTORWHO

[@TheProceduralTraveller]

Dr Who has always been political sure, But other showrunners managed to embed these messages in the story so well it felt natural, this feels so on the nose, unnatural & tacked onto the end... was the speech really needed, we got the message loud & clear from the story.

[@MonoLith2049]

Procedural Traveller it's because they're aiming this show at people with very short attention spans now

[@rosechuma2006]

Nice colour combination in your pfp

[@kevinkelly5780]

@@MonoLith2049 I have a short attention span, and I still spotted all the newbie writer mistakes and despise this episode with a passion

[@CHADAFallout76Podcast]

Chris can’t write.

[@codelyoko363]

Chibnall honestly didn't know what the word "subtle" meant. This was basically the equivalent of the Doctor standing right in front of the camera, blankly staring at the audience as she gives the most surface-level "global warming bad" speech I've ever seen.

[@NuttyRedBaBonkerz]

this unnecessary epilogue feels like i'm being scolded for what mega companies are primarily responsible for

[@93Chowo]

You know how to fix this? Don´t feel addressed.

[@Shatterverse]

Yeah, it's not like we can drag the CEOs and politicians out into the street and have them shot for their irresponsibility and greed - then how would we get our new iPhones? /s

[@popopop984]

@@Shatterverse Should we do that?

[@Gooner184]

@@Shatterverse We should do that, agreed.

[@CaptainScarLeg]

Yesterday: "That's the worst clip you could have uploaded." Doctor Who: "Oh yeah? Hold my beer..."

[@227060]

Ya know...RTD actively avoided stories like this, that's why in literally his second episode he showed the far future where humanity survived and even name dropped global warming as something that didn't wipe us out. He felt that people were all too aware of stuff like that and that in their weekend entertainment they didn't need that extra level of anxiety in their lives.

[@dancygr]

Plus, normal people can't change where 70% of the damage is coming from, that has to be changed by those who control it, politicians and the extremely wealthy corporations.

[@227060]

@@dancygr Its more than 70%. My family is constantly on my ass because I don't turn off light switches. Putting aside how a million people turning off their light switches wouldn't compensate for Vegas being lit up every night, it's so dumb because big corporations are the highest pollutants by a wide margin. If THEY all cleaned themselves up most other people could still pollute and it would overwhelmingly still fix the problem. And the COVID-19 situation has been the biggest proof of this. China's factories shut down and low and behold a shitton of pollution declined. The pandemic was an unsolicited global social experiment that PROVED everyday people 'doing their bit' will never be enough. You could fit literally ALL the people who could fix this problem on like 100 buses!

[@jessie-xt9iu]

this is quite ironic considering RTD has said that he's going to be including problems of global warming in his next series 💀 it could be shown more subtlety ig. you're right though you'd think people were aware of the problems with it but ... we're clearly not (looking at where we are as a planet - the problems alot of countries have had to face)

[@joshfoster7420]

​@@227060I think you're family is constantly on your ass for leaving lights on is because of electric bills

[@TheOriginalEwan]

Show, don’t tell.

[@ScoobyandShaggy5554]

Chibnall doesn’t grasp that

[@elizeyt]

like if we had this plot with no exposition I would have enjoyed it SO much more

[@TheOriginalEwan]

@@elizeyt or if Jodie took a shot of ‘calm tf down’ or if Ryan stopped being such a useless plank then maybe I would’ve enjoyed it, too.

[@DoctorWhoHugh]

I mean Hartnell's era was very tell not show.

[@rosechuma2006]

@@DoctorWhoHugh But that was in fucking 60s mate, nobody knew what they were doing back then

[@UgandanPrinc3]

As we see in episodes like Praxius and Into the Dalek, the Doctor is fully capable of taking the Tardis and materializing right on top of someone to save them, but she didn’t do that for them?

[@sheridan5175]

There are so many episodes that are invalidated because of that, look at impossible planet and oxygen to name just a couple.

[@UgandanPrinc3]

@@sheridan5175 I havent seen impossible planet in forever so maybe they should have, but for oxygen weren't they blocked off from the tardis like 2 minutes into the episode? when would they have used it? I mean in most stories they intentionally handcuff the Dr and co right off the bat; for example finding an excuse/reason for why they cant leave or breaking the screwdriver or separating the companions and the doctor. My point is its a really glaring issue when an episode or 2 later in praxius 13 saves the astronaut guy.

[@sheridan5175]

@@UgandanPrinc3 Oh right, I was thinking materialising it around herself lol

[@DaringNote62]

We'd like to interrupt this episode to talk about this weeks political message

[@daphnejyothi4795]

Your profile picture prefectly represents those giving the message.

[@IsaacWhittakerDakin]

Unlike my profile picture which isn't based on a political party at all....

[@themostbritishpersonalive868]

Just kill all the trees before they can kill us

[@franzferdinand9093]

@@themostbritishpersonalive868 Survive, Adapt, Overcome.

[@themostbritishpersonalive868]

@@franzferdinand9093 I'm not joking they probably practically no oxygen we might as well

[@stephenmurphy2212]

To this day we still don’t know where Benny is!

[@chriscaygill6331]

He's in a better place now.

[@MysteriousJojo]

Benny is actually another pre-Hartnell Doctor and he was safely extracted by the Time Cops and got the memory wipe. That’s what I’m going with.

[@misterwolf3817]

Title: Can Earth's Future be Changed? Me: *Well yes, but actually...*

[@monkeyatanofficedesk9253]

*Well yes, but can we be arsed to*

[@myrddinemrys1332]

@@monkeyatanofficedesk9253 *but also possibly no.*

[@JDoe-co9ii]

timey wimey

[@jantan4356]

What happened to ‘time cannot be re-written’ or ‘time is fixed’? I can’t think of a good reason why such a huge change to the show would be done in such an insignificant way - why aren’t there more episodes playing with this idea of having multiple futures? They really could have taken advantage of this missed opportunity and really revolutionised the show. Such a shame.

[@Ethan-dn1wc]

I mean ultimately that refers to large historical events i.e. Pompei, the Mars Base explosion etc. and it was pointed out earlier in the episode that Orphan 55 didn't just occur from a single massive event it was a result of several poor decisions by the human race to ignore what was happening. That's how I interpreted it, that said the whole speech was unnecessary.

[@codelyoko363]

Because that's not how time travel works in Doctor Who. There is a SINGLE timeline. Chibnall literally just didn't care about the lore and wrote whatever he wanted.

[@N1ghtmareAdz]

The scene when they're trying to find the lost kid. "He's around here somewhere" Camera pans out 6 inches "Ah there they are!" Absolute genius Also the spaceballs cosplay was spot on

[@VeteranScout-j8s]

Ah yes the sequel to the mysterious planet, never as good as the original :/

[@jdawson01]

I liked the shots of the dreggs that’s it. This makes love and monsters and fear her look like god tier episodes. I’ll never skip this though I can watch it just about.

[@DoctorWhoHugh]

It is a good speech, but just not for Doctor Who

[@joearber2550]

@@DoctorWhoHugh I think the opposite tbh. Doctor who covering topics like this is a good thing but the speech was really poorly written in my opinion

[@jdawson01]

HughDoesStuff I liked the idea they were on earth but then the speech ruined it I agree it was good but better being said by Attenborough

[@DoctorWhoHugh]

@@jdawson01 yeah, or said as an advert, I would be up for that as they have done that before in the 80's.

[@DoctorWhoHugh]

@@joearber2550 It was a good speech, but for a politician, not for a show like Doctor Who. They could've done a advertisment and used it, like they did in the 80's with Tom Baker and clean up Australia.

[@oldoldmeme]

BBC Exec: "Quick, Doctor Who ratings are at an all time low and fans are abandoning the franchise in droves, what do we upload to the official Doctor Who KZbin channel to help save the show???" Other BBC Exec: *"I got it"*

[@funrandomratherweird]

I still find it really weird that they don’t just go back in the Tardis to save the other two. Can anyone remember if there was a reason why they couldn’t do that? It’s these kind of strange inconsistencies in the writing that make thirteen’s morals seem all over the place to me.

[@Asw_2004]

They needed strong diverse independent women to sacrifice themselves

[@ScoobyandShaggy5554]

I had a good sequel idea to orphan but never finished writing it

[@andrewfuller3319]

Dude, how boring would it be if every episode was let's just hop in the tardis. Besides the tardis has never worked properly, and that's always been stated. And your solution could be said for any doctor who episode ever

[@funrandomratherweird]

@@andrewfuller3319 Not sure what you mean by the first part? I was just saying I don't remember any reason given why they couldn't try to go back and save them once they were back in the tardis at the end. Usually there'd be some reason like you can't cross timelines, or the tardis can't land there but I couldn't remember anything here. Without that reason, the scene therefore reads to me as the doctor choosing not to go back for them. And I get that the Tardis is often faulty but then there have been various times when we've seen the doctor land with pinpoint accuracy so she could at least have tried. But I suppose it's not that big a thing really! :)

[@noahjones9833]

They very, very easily could have. The only time when a person's death becomea a fixed point is when its been observed and is very necessary for history. The doctor once saved a man who tried to kill himself because he saw a newspaper that mentioned he was seen jumping off a bridge but no body was found, so he went back in time, saved the man, then dropped him off a few days intto the future after the newspaper was written. Had his body been found, then it wouldve been a fixed point and the doctor couldnt have safely saved em, but even then he probably could have saved the man as time wouldve fixed itself eventually. In comparison, a time traveler must never, ever observe their own future, because it makes it a fixed point (unless doing so results on a good future but still its dangerous). For example, reading a true book written by yourself in the future talking abour how your friend dies will make their death a fixed point and youll be unable to save them, and no matter what you do they'll end up dying. Tldr, yes they can be saved very, very easily. The doctor has a time machine and their deaths are not set in stone.

[@Squicx]

Based on the Confused Adipose's (a WhoTuber) theory. That 13 is trapped in a parallel universe with her TARDIS and Jack. I’m still hoping The parallel universe theory that the 12th Doctor's regeneration was so powerful it broke the Tardis navigational systems and pushed the Doctor into another universe since (Timelords can travel between universes). Once the TARDIS entered Ruth’s universe, The TARDIS struggled to enter properly. Evidence to this theory can be seen in The Ghost Monument (Series 11, Episode 2). It stuttered, failed to land properly and failed to find something to stabilise itself on from it's own universe until the Doctor found it and stabilised it with her screwdriver. "But the TARDIS gains it's energy from it's own universe." The Timeless Child plays into this perfectly. The name drops of The Timeless Child is scattered through Series 11 and 12. The episode "The Timeless Child" (Series 12, episode 10) cleared this up as The Doctor herself being "The Timeless Child" and we all thought he was telling the truth. TECHNICALLY HE WAS... Well not quite. Who else is seen through Series 12? That's right, *RUTH!!!* Ruth is the Doctor of *THAT UNIVERSE* that 13 and Jack are trapped in! All this similarity's to our universe, 13 assumes it's her own universe. She later comes across The Master which is actually the Master of Ruth’s universe. The Master just assumes 13 is just a past incarnation of Ruth (since even the Master is unaware of this universal breach.) *"But where does jack come into this?"* Back in the proper universe (our universe) Jack steals a ship to follow the Doctors last know coordinates. When Jack finds a small rift left by the TARDIS, he follows into that alternate universe just enough before it closes behind him. Jack is determined to find the Doctor and bring her back to our universe knowing the consequences of universal tampering from Torchwood experience. Knowing the TARDIS is runs off a black hole, he becomes aware of the dangers this could have on this new universe and possibly our own. Somewhere down the line, Jack becomes aware of the lone Cyberman and links up all these events to the Doctor. He now knows there's another Doctor roaming the universe, WITH A TARDIS OF HER OWN. Putting 2 Doctors in 1 place already causes catastrophe on certain timelines, 2 TARDISes with functioniung black holes colliding will cause a universal destruction. Luckily in Fugitive of the Judoon (Season 12, Episode 5). My guess is the reason the TARDIS dematerialised in "The Woman Who Fell To Earth" was because it knew what was happening and detected another TARDIS (Ruth's TARDIS) and immediately left to prevent any destruction but gave 13 the remaining shields while she fell to Earth and collided into the Train roof. Jack sets out to find The Doctor and SUCCESS! He does find BOTH OF THEM IN THE SAME PLACE, which coincidentally made it easier for him to track her! Except he teleports Graham to his ship instead of The Doctor and realising he’s in trouble, attempts to send a message in the meantime so he can hopefully prevent these events taking place leading to a TARDIS collision. *"And the Timeless Children? Isn't 13 a future incarnation of Ruth?"* {The Ascension of the Cyberman -Series 12} Towards the end, The Master appears out of a portal from the wreck of his universes Gallifrey. This is phase 2 of the universes breaking down leading to destruction. While Jack is on the run, he gets captured by the Jadoon because he’s not registered by the galaxy (since he’s part of our universe). These events will lead into Revolution of the Daleks (hopefully). (The Timeless Children, Series 12) The Doctor is later revealed to be The Timeless Child. I’m thinking that The Timeless Child was actually Ruth from that universe. The master technically overall DIDN’T LIE but he just didn’t know that Jodie’s Doctor Isn’t his Doctor from his universe but rather Ruth is. This whole episode and story arch was meant for Ruth, but The Doctor intervened. 13 believes this and is gets trapped in the Matrix by the Master in the matrix. My guess is that in that time, The Matrix was unsure whether our Doctor (13) was the correct Doctor of that universe (Ruth) since it now picks up 2 Doctors simultaneously existing. 13 then proceeds to break the Matrix but NOT FROM HER MIND, but rather from the fact that The Matrix was right about 13 and began to break from the fact it didn’t recognise Jodie’s Doctor as Ruth’s Doctor. This is very possible theory since we've seen another Doctor from another universe die from the Racnoss (Turn Left, Season 4, Episode 11). All reality was threatened after that. All the adventures the Doctor had, were turned sinister and had a bad outcome. *"The Brain Of Morbius has evidence."* Usually I'd shut down those faces in The Brain Of Morbius being The Doctor as literally Morbiuses faces since they clashed in a psychological battle, but that would mean this theory wouldn't follow through. It shuts down a potential story that could be a classic and a Chibnall redemption. The theory goes that Ruth's universe was like any other except there are only 4 universes with The Doctor inhabiting it. Our Doctor (13), The Metacrisis Doctor with Rose, Ruths universe, and the Turn Left Universe. Ruth's universe could have taken a drastic turn when her universe clashed with 13s Universe during that one mind battle with Morbius. The link with Morbius opens up so many possibilities. Morbius was a Time Lord at one stage. He knows his way around inter-dimensional travel along with Time Travel. When the 4th Doctor clashed minds with him, it unlocked something deep inside Morbuises head causing a mental link with RUTH while Ruth engaged in the SAME BATTLE from another universe. 13's mind met with Ruth's mind for a split second and drifted apart. All these years after that, Ruth's universe stayed close to 13s universe. Since Ruth's universe never really had any alien invasions and extra terrestrial encounters, UNIT and Torchwood went out of business. Because of this, The Daleks never visited 1963 in "Remembrance Of the Daleks" (7th Doctor,) it never lead to the destruction of Skaro leading to the events of the Time War. Meaning that this Universe never experienced a Time War. This reality of Ruth's was safe keeping it from being destroyed. That is until 13 fell into it. *"Ruth is every Non Canon Doctor"* Just a side theory of mine that since Ruth is the Timeless Child, The possibilities are endless. Retcons can take place to make this theory official to fit the story. Ruth has had many faces and many lives and my theory goes that all non Canon Doctors are Ruth's past. First taking place is The Timeless Child story, then comes the reset regenerations post mind wipes. Peter Cushing is the 1st Doctor, Robert Holmes 2nd Doctor, George Gallaccio 3rd Doctor, Graeme Harper 4th Doctor, Douglas Camfield 5th Doctor, Christopher Baker 6th Doctor, Robert Banks Stewart 7th Doctor, Christopher Barry 8th Doctor, with David Warner as the War Doctor, *AND THEN* The Curse Of Fatal Death Doctor's taking place (with evidence), Rowan Atkinson as the 9th Doctor, Richard E. Grant 10th Doctor, Jim Broadbent 11th Doctor, Hugh Grant 12th Doctor, Joanna Lumley 13th Doctor and Ruth as the 14th Doctor coming in as the recent incarnation. Please Chibnall!!! 60th Anniversary coming up! This would make a perfect story and would call back to the history since the plot could be *13 The TARDIS and Jack returning to the universe this show started in!* Just make no alterations on way, clear up some of your mistakes with this theory and you'll go down as one of the greatest writers to pull off a twist *NOBODY was expecting!* -Squicx

[@dakotabull7226]

That is actually a really good theory!

[@Squicx]

@@dakotabull7226 Thanks so much!

[@warlenys]

the fact chibnall got away with blatantly ignoring how time in doctor who works like bro there aren’t multiple timelines you just erased every story that happens in a future where earth still exists

[@aaron_the_penguin]

the way i see it, this "timeline" was definitely not fixed, and in flux, so as soon as the doc and crew left, the entire story got obliterated by the winds of time.

[@warlenys]

@@aaron_the_penguin eh i mean events can be erased after they’re witnessed, but really that change has to be made by the doctor or another time traveller because what they’re seeing is the eventuality of uninterfered humans. it’s just ignoring the fact that that now exists as an eventuality that needs to be changed and the doctor turning to the audience saying “recycle” isn’t gonna fix if

[@aaron_the_penguin]

@@warlenys yeah, good point. Orphan 55 is just a mess tbh

[@warlenys]

@@aaron_the_penguin it’s a full nightmare lmao

[@marios19646]

Upload a clip with all the "WHERES BENI"... One half of the episode. What a waste of an idea and an episode....

[@lewimillionzYT]

BENNIIIIII

[@Timeworks]

oh noooo that dislike bar lol 😬

[@shikarifox4337]

It's currently at 515 which makes me sad because it reminds me of the Slipknot track (515) and what Sid was going through...

[@alcantarakenzo8348]

There is no Tom here

[@thefoochie2118]

Timeworks is here?!

[@prestongarvey8090]

It’s because people are hating the new approach to doctor who, the “woke” approach. And it sucks

[@zebedeezach7342]

Not even the BBC’s paid bots could save this ratio 😂😂

[@Ravenankh]

Doctor Who social media managers are just trolling us at this point...

[@spacecowboy8877]

The real Doctor would have saved someone but then there wouldn't have been enough minutes left for the washing up speech

[@Tulf42]

I don't know how far away the TARDIS is from Orphan 55, in terms of time period or universal distance, but the Doctor could have at least attempted to save the two side characters left behind, since she actually succeeds in this in Praxeus.

[@johnmarshall2439]

"How dare you!"

[@josephlambert7168]

This episode is perfect apart from the fact that it exists.

[@DoctorWhoHugh]

Love the message, but almost breaking the fourth wall was just, unfortunate and really upsetting. It was one of the three things I hated about this episode. Doctor Who has always been political, in 1963 there were the Daleks that were clearly based of White Supremesists (60's was the time of the equal rights movement). In 1973 we had "The Green Death" that had a plot entirely based off pollution. The episode "Planet of the Ood" was about slavery. Then The Zygon Inversion spoke about wars in general. The issue is the dialogue, NOT the message, the way the message is conveyed is the issue. Don't say "Doctor Who is too P.C these days" because it is as P.C as it has always been, it is just too on the nose.

[@kidneyredux4167]

Politics in Sci-fi live and die on subtlety

[@oomusd]

@@kidneyredux4167 no doctor who never was subtle it needs good writing, good directing, and real passion. I can see Jodie Whittaker's passion in that scene, but she's like imitating Tennant and not being her doctor, and the three others actors playing the companions are boring : no emotions.

[@xBoringPerfectionx]

This is so true and what I keep saying to people. It's not the politics that's bad it's the writing. For example the slitheen 2 parter in series 1 was a scathing attack on the government's involvement in the Iraq war but you really need to read between the lines and for that the message is more powerful. In this episode I fully expected the doctor to don a Greta Thunberg mask and look into the camera like she's on the office. Such bad writing.

[@MonoLith2049]

It's not what you say it's the way that you say it. And that's what gets results

[@jessie-xt9iu]

how does this break the fourth wall? she's speaking to the companions and is clearly looking at them /s

[@liamdysoco4832]

This episode is like those people who yell at you for using a plastic bag and then go home and turn on their 6 ACs

[@gonzalojohnson]

Came for the bants. Rip doctor who

[@LloydEWatson1983]

I can't believe the last 2 videos have been from Orphan 55. Most of us have been doing our best to forget the episode exists.

[@NeonVisual]

How much longer are we going to have to wait for a new showrunner? The current one is bland, unimaginative and unfit.

[@Ryusuta]

It warms my heart to see this terrible episode get so many well-deserved dislikes.

[@charliewarner787]

Yaz: When did you know that it was Earth Me: When all the clichés of that kind of reveal started coming to the surface 😂

[@dariuskhayyam4077]

Genuinely one of the worst episodes of television ever produced

[@sleepyrowlet]

Yeah, and it's because of Benni

[@Ryusuta]

At least until The Timeless Children happened.

[@Ryusuta]

@@obiwankenobi687 The thing is, Orphan 55 was a bad episode. Every Doctor has had bad episodes. Timeless Children was not only crap on its own, but it pretty much took a crap on 60 years of canon in a way that made absolutely NO sense and was essentially a huge, intentional middle finger to the series. Even Clara's hideous "I've saved every Doctor because I'm awesome" arc was significantly less damaging.

[@monkeyatanofficedesk9253]

@@Ryusuta well the timeless children has some interesting possibilities and stories it could bring. Orphan 55 was just shit

[@Ryusuta]

@@monkeyatanofficedesk9253 Like what? The Doctor now has effectively infinite regenerations, which neuters almost any potential danger they can face. It also cheapens anything they've faced before, retroactively. Because it turned out almost none of it mattered. It also made absolutely no sense on literally dozens of levels. So, what brand new story opportunities does it open up? "Oh hey! We met a new Doctor from the past!" Well whoopty-doo! We did that already. And it was a mediocre reveal at best, utterly nonsensical at worst.

[@michaelfrench2586]

I really want the show to be good again, it feels like if this continues the show could be canceled in about two or three years

[@SpiderBatFan]

1:51 why couldn’t the TARDIS materialise on or at least right next to them? Try to keep toxic replies to a minimum please

[@anealingfeeling5356]

Yeah I did wonder why 13 just left them there, moreso when she saved someone by materialising around them just three episodes later.

[@everything71]

If they did that then there wouldn't be time for the whole environment lecture

[@giladzxc17]

Thats because 13 isnt the doctor, shes just pretending to be him.

[@kidneyredux4167]

To be fair, that criticism can be applied to a solid 90-95% of Doctor Who episodes. Just using the Tardis more frequently would save so much time and so many lives

[@nightowl8477]

0:01 never before have I seen direction so shoddy in Doctor Who. This is a pivotal moment in the story, and they only got two shots for it - one high angle wide shot of the two walking up and down the corridor, and one medium close up. They clearly aren't even in the same room as the Dregs - you so rarely see anyone _with_ them. It's shameful television work. Whether you like this era or not, it's an imperical fact that this is the worst production of the show to date. Keep Chris on Head Writer, sure, but in any other job he'd be fired from Head Producer.

[@georgeomole14]

Nah fire them both, they are all trash

[@METALFREAK03]

because they think their message is more important than having a good story and good reticules to convey that message. I just think nowadays as anyone and their granddaughter can get a degree and be behind the camera, that talent+skill has gone down the pan. Doesn't help that these "messages" are also not done creatively, rather just like a political statement. Irony, has it, that LESS people will get your message as it's more boring. People don't like boring.

[@nightowl8477]

@@obiwankenobi687 - I agree to a certain point. Yes, this is the worst direction of the modern era, but I do take a huge amount of issue with the other episodes of Chris's in terms of direction and production too.

[@nightowl8477]

@@METALFREAK03 - ahah! I wish! I'm trying to break into this industry myself, like a Clara-angsting 12. It's a tough one to get into. I think the people working on the show just aren't given enough time to build decent sets or do proper storyboarding - poor scheduling is the producer's fault.

[@pjgs4933]

I disagree tbh. It’s not a very good episode but I don’t think the direction is terrible. But also the director for this did Spyfall: Part Two & Revolution of the Daleks, which are both pretty well directed. Seems like something went really wrong with production on this episode- the editing is wild.

[@insaiyanfromearth]

I didn't know Eddie the Head had such a big family.

[@kryten1016]

If the Earths future has been changed then the Dalek Emperor never attacked and rose never looked into the heart of the Tardis, and jack was never made imortal

[@nightowl8477]

It's been said before, but 13 could literally have teleported the TARDIS around them. Oh wait. This is the Doctor who says instead of does. She's happy to lecture us on the power we all have, but is all too keen to overlook her own power. She's such a Liberal, I've never seen a more centred Doctor.

[@DoctorWhoHugh]

Doctor Who has always been political, in 1963 there were the Daleks that were clearly based of White Supremacists (60's was the time of the equal rights movement). In 1973 we had "The Green Death" that had a plot entirely based off pollution. The episode "Planet of the Ood" was about slavery. Then The Zygon Inversion spoke about wars in general. The issue is the dialogue, NOT the message, the way the message is conveyed is the issue.

[@nightowl8477]

@@DoctorWhoHugh - I mean Liberal as in the British sense centre-left (it's a British show, so). She ought to be more left wing, in my opinion. The character's never been more right wing than in this era - 'centred' is kind.

[@nightowl8477]

@@DoctorWhoHugh - the message is a bit shit tho, we've seen it all before. Yeah okay, the way it's conveyed is what I mainly criticise, but I wish we were exploring more interesting political avenues than _this._

[@nightowl8477]

Has my ambiguous use of 'liberal' tricked a bunch of 'Liberal' tricked a bunch of NotMyDoctors into liking this comment? That's fun.

[@DoctorWhoHugh]

@@nightowl8477 I think the episode could have been really good , if it lost the Benni’s, the thumb sucky thing and the speech, otherwise it had a lot of potential. We haven’t seen climate change done in Who before, we saw pollution done twice, but that’s really different. As long as it isn’t a once a season thing I was ok with it.

[@nightowl8477]

Not titling it "13 is the Greta Thunberg of space?" How times change.

[@SteveCowlishaw]

Technically no, this is now a fixed event since the Doctor saw it, but it's Chris Chibnall afterall. It has changed loads of times already though, we know it ends in the year 5 billion, but the changes include, the Jagrafess and the daleks of satellite five, the cyberwar. I'm sure there's many more endings.

[@youngishjon2326]

Why have they decided to post two videos in two days reminding the fanbase of one of the most widely disliked episodes of the modern era?

[@93Chowo]

Because they are uploading clips from the previous series till series 13 comes around?

[@youngishjon2326]

@@93Chowo I understand that but maybe should have skipped this one 😂

[@JAProductions494]

I ain’t an NMD but I genuinely hate this scene with a passion!

[@frostypizzaman1793]

Remember, the future is never truly set.

[@davidchism6081]

X Men Days of Future Past.

[@blueplanet9917]

Never before has this show treated it's audience like such idiots.

[@NickwBush]

BBC please sell Doctor Who to a broadcasting company that actually respects the show...

[@OfficialSoraOkami]

wouldn't do that if I were them or Doctor who would end up a disney show

[@Asw_2004]

Oh and btw that isnt really how time travel works in dr who. Theres only one timeline that cant really be altered

[@Kramlets]

This is the scene where I was screaming at the TV for them to go back in the Tardis and rescue them. What's stopping them?

[@93Chowo]

Maybe because they don´t know exactly which timeline they would be traveling to and even if they found the right one they would have to find the perfect moment unless they would create a time paradox?

[@codelyoko363]

It says a lot when the writers don't even bother to research how time travel works in a show about time travel.

[@joelmole3157]

I know they meant well with the message but man did they drop the ball with the execution!

[@idontremembermylogin]

All of a sudden the Doctor treats her companions as if they are personally the problem with humanity and that they are the only people who can fix the planet.

[@oomusd]

or when Eleven ask a group of random human to be brillant and make a deal with a totally unknown (for them) lizard people sleeping in earh for millions of years ? sure,it's a little forced here, and they should have just wrote the Doctor cheering up by saying "you know what ? be brillant ! be the best of humanity" and end. but it's not unprecedented in Doctor Who to ask to some random individuals to be "great and talk for all the billions of people up there, thank you."

[@IsaacWhittakerDakin]

When this clip uploaded i was watching Planet of the Ood, back when Doctor Who never touched politics and is certainly not an episode about an empire built on slavery, ah the good old days when the politics was "subtle"

[@oomusd]

never touched politics ?!

[@IsaacWhittakerDakin]

@@oomusd I know some people act like Doctor Who never touched politics before the Chibnall era

[@danb74]

Stories over lectures please? Thank you!

[@jumpcutfilms1958]

Doctor Who? Completed it mate.

[@arthurtidbury6810]

This episode wasn’t even that bad it doesn’t deserve as much hate as it got. It was a good idea but maybe just wasn’t written how the producers would’ve liked it to be

[@zombieslayer1760]

Wait so is this before utopia but they are the toclafane

[@Rickdegraaf]

Isn't mankind spread around the universe by then?

[@zombieslayer1760]

@@Rickdegraaf no but they say this is earth and utopia is set on earth

[@timelordrock2954]

@@zombieslayer1760 no it’s not it’s set on malcassairo

[@LeoCurtis]

My personal assumption is that humanity splits off into different factions. Obviously the rich elite leave and go separate ways (presumably many to New Earth), but I imagine there's a general mass exodus. Humans that stay on Earth mutate into Dregs, while some of the humans that have left become Toclafane? Almost like a weird cult. And then presumably after this PR nightmare, the truth of Orphan 55/Earth emerges and the National Trust take over conservation and restore it, leading to how it is destroyed naturally in "The End Of The World". Am I reading between the lines a lot? Yes. But to be fair you kind of have to in a show like Doctor Who.

[@LeoCurtis]

@@zombieslayer1760 Nah, Utopia is another planet. It's sort of implied they've long-since been escaping Earth

[@lewiemanville3441]

A writer that can’t be subtle is unskilled in my opinion.

[@Alex333_]

You can’t seriously be posting the worst part of the worst episode and literally everyone says that

[@MicRed1962]

@@manicmaniac_ who actually likes this trash?

[@MicRed1962]

@@manicmaniac_ what exactly is there to like about this

[@MicRed1962]

@@manicmaniac_ the episode has some of the worst direction to touch the show, it has a message that it forcefeeds to you, you have whittaker still being written like an annoying 6 hear old, the companions really continue to do nothing of note except they give Ryan a dumb love interest for just this episode who isn't mentioned ever again, lazy and predictable twists. I could see this being fun if I was watching it with friends whilst completely drunk.

[@ConnorLockhartYGO]

This scene is iconic for all the wrong reasons.

[@epicchris1985]

Please just fire Chris Chibnall, he has destroyed a beloved program of many many years!

[@thecitrine1675]

I liked the part when the episode was over.

[@gideonalexander3430]

LMAO

[@JoJoWhizzKid123]

They took a massive risk with forcing this message into this final scene in the episode... And it backfired badly.

[@di7770]

Depending on what point in time thus takes place, earth's destruction might not be humanities fault. It could be from the Timelords when they fireballed the planet, moved it to somewhere else in Space and renamed Ravolox.

[@dave3580]

Jodie reminds me of my primary school teacher, always telling me off for no reason.

[@declanhugors]

Guys this was a great episode! [Trying not to cry for Doctor Who's death noises]

[@katarinabrunk8698]

when this episode finished I burst out laughing because of the bad, confusing, in your face stuff in it, I couldn't even be mad I just laugh

[@charliewarner787]

The kid who plays cyclus is really good. Shame he was in this one

[@shikarifox4337]

The truth of the future is humans need to change their ways before the point of devastation is passed. I know what the following years bring and I hope for humanity's sake it can be changed. Take care of this planet before it turns on you.

[@MondySpartan]

The Dreggs kind of reminds me of Imps from the Doom games.

[@r0bbie216]

more dislikes than likes? well i’m not surprised

[@kianharvey9787]

Bad idea uploading this

[@ricecoffee3968]

I have been a fan since the 60s when Doctor Who came on the box in black and white. For what it is worth there have been good doctors and there have been great doctors. Jodie Whitaker is one of my greats. I have enjoyed your time as the Doctor. Doctor Who is one great awesome entertainment. Thank you.

[@joearber2550]

Yea this wasn’t a favourite of mine. I have absolutely no issue with doctor who covering topics like this since it’s been doing it for years but the speech to me came across as really ham fisted and even a bit patronising. Stories like the silurians with Jon Pertwee did the protect the planet theme much better

[@thebreezybigt]

How did I not realize that the guy with with the green hair and beam was Jay from the inbetweeners?

[@realmcorp]

I had found the episode interesting and watchable up until this point. First time I felt the show was turning directly against me because of its directly quoting Greta Thunberg, and therefore to my mind endorsing a kind of eco-mentalism I don't agree with. I've calmed down since then, but... Many rightly criticise modern Who's approach to politics for being too unsubtle and too one-dimensional. But one thought I had lately that hasn't been brought up: The environmental message of 'The Green Death was inspired by a genuine passion and anger on the part of Barry Lefts, who read of the issue of pollution and asked a friend what he could do to tackle the issue IIRC. The response was that maybe he should write a Who story as a way of getting his frustration out. He made sure to get the urgency of the issue across while coming up with a suitable sci-fi/horror context that gave you something else to enjoy, so the message went down better. Compare and contrast with the Chibnall era, which for my money simply seems to talk about issues because they're on everyone's lips and therefore cool and trendy, be it racism, climate change or mental health, as opposed to bringing them up out of genuine interest and concern. I don't feel any strong passion in any of the political stories, save perhaps 'Demons Of the Punjab'. I feel 'Can You Hear Me?' was affected much worse by this approach than 'Orphan 55', as the last 10 mins of that were just as patronising and ill-fitting with the rest of the episode, but more drawn-out. Also I personally found people being forced to speak about their problems and poorly portrayed in a patronizing way, then that whole Graham cancer scene being played for laughs, far worse offences than what we get here. Anyway Orphan 55 is fun, and an odd experiment in darker territory compared to other Chibnall-era stories. But yeah, it's, erm... Yeah. Then again, it's only telly, which was always designed to indoctrinate the masses anyway, and I couldn't do any better. Chris Morris for the next showrunner.

[@eli_r_q]

Climate change is such an important issue. Climate change is real and it needs to be stopped before its too late. But, this episode kind of felt like an insult to the whole Extinction Rebellion movement. It was this goofy mess of an episode that entirely butchered the importance of activism and also destroyed the already established rules of Doctor Who. This message was so poorly delivered, and it just felt like an afterthought. A really bad episode. I wish the way they used to tackle important topics like this in the Davies and Moffat era. And if you're concerned about climate change, there are things that can be done. The extinction rebellion movement is a good place to start! There are also other charities and organisations who are a lot more consistent who are worth exploring.

[@mr.sentient7344]

Yeah agreed. The episode wasn't great and felt very unnecessary considering there was a second episode revolving around climate change (that was much better) that came not long after this one.

[@METALFREAK03]

There are better ways to respond to a crisis than what " Extinction Rebellion" does. They will not help the cause. Although, I just believe this whole CC is a "crisis" made up by people who just want waste managment to supersede us wasting on things that should just really be re used again for efficiency. But the only way to get business on board with this (as they wouldn't otherwise) is to create a "crisis" out of it. Just like they did with Mercantilism or the overcrowding of our cities in the early 1800s (so we "needed" to have birth certs, death certs and forms). Business would have not done it, if it wasn't perceived as a "crisis".

[@roslyntrotter5025]

well in the end of the world the 9th doctor said earth had been put back the way it was in our time maybe this was where it started i wonder what they did with the mutant humans

[@docdis12]

I don't really see why so many people have a problem with this? It's not a great episode but I could easily list a few Capaldi eps that were worse. Sure it's a little on the nose but does anyone actually disagree with the message?

[@docdis11]

Valid point. Though the ending was a bit forced she's hardly wrong about what she's saying

[@marios19646]

Having a good message is great... But you need also good or even decent writing and direction otherwise is nothing... The message doesnt even have to be subtle... For example "Thin Ice" "Inversion of the Zygons" "Oxygen" all have good but not exactly subtle messages but they are great because of the writing direction and acting... Orphan 55 is just terrible on all levels.

[@docdis12]

@@marios19646 That's super interesting to me that you use those eps as examples. I totally agree with what you're saying but Thin Ice and Oxygen are two episodes I would list as being far worse than this one!

[@oomusd]

ha "Inversion of the Zygons", ha yes, the one where Capaldi explains war is bad. and the weird zygons being angry for no real reason (he/she/whatever could have talked about his/her resentment, try an other way first, or realise than war kills good people just for his/Her tiny boring life...)

[@colinmoore7460]

It has, several times! Although I think that the classic story's, The Ark, Ark in Space, and Sontaran Experiment follow the same future.

[@kpaulblume47]

The *precise* moment that Doctor Who died. Wretched episode, throughout. #RIPDoctorWho

[@comicconcarne]

Doctor Who is always dying but this killed it in particular

[@mwd5001]

Everything that is wrong with the current writing team is in this episode - it's just awful to watch as Doctor Who fan.

[@SpyroCynderFan]

Orphan 55 is one of my favorite episodes!! I don't understand the hate for it at all.

[@93Chowo]

It´s simple. Everyone has different opinions what makes an episode good. What one enjoys another ones doesn´t and vice versa.

[@ditto.]

It's simple, it's a terrible episode.

[@CyberController-]

I like how they do the whole "save the environment" message again way better in Praxeus. Like, even the people making the show new this episode was just filler. And I'm someone who liked season 12.

[@myro9084]

Earths future does change because the 9th doctor took rose to the end of Earth's life which had humans living on it, and around it.

[@nuttheses9589]

I've just noticed but yazs'' jacket is just like Martha's

[@CalvinHobbes94]

Whats with all the hate towards this episode? It was okay imo. But jeez yaml are putting way too much negative energy into this

[@pjgs4933]

Yup. It’s not great. But people are just absolutely hating on it cuz it’s trendy.

[@user-oh5gm9ry7o]

THE DISLIKE BAR OMGOSH

[@partiedits9654]

Pretty sure I saw a pretty good looking Earth in ‘The End of the World’.

[@johnwhittington2998]

Breaking the laws of time there doctor

[@superdewott3209]

I liked thr episode. The whole "its peoples fault" was eh... but the episode was pretty good overall, if the ending was a bit odd haha

[@timelordrock2954]

Agreed. It’s not the greatest episode, or the most original, but very exciting.

[@joearber2550]

@@obiwankenobi687 yeah wtf were they thinking with that budget furry woman ?

[@jennyxvastra5650]

I really enjoyed this episode. It was very intersting to watch it because it's so different. And if people now go "Oh no, that is so political,..." Doctor Who has always been political. And I think the episode has a really good message! Love it^^

[@to5]

It is flawed...

[@N1ghtmareAdz]

There's good writing were you don't notice the message but you still learn from it and then there's staring down a camera preaching and telling the audience they're bad over a minute...

[@jennyxvastra5650]

Just because you didn't enjoy the episode for some reason, you really don't have to try and ruin it for people who really enjoyed it...

[@METALFREAK03]

No one is saying Dr Who was never "political" but how it was written was better. It was a joke or an off-line, not an entire scene (2 minutes long) of reading a speech like a backbencher would do in the Commons. This is an entertainment show, meant for CHILDREN. You are meant to EDUCATE. Not make POLITICAL STATEMENTS. Children shouldn't be subjected to political paraphernalia. That is why there are more suicides in teenagers - not just because of Dr Who - but the whole direction of our entertainment is now agenda, rather than sending a message through creavitity. As I STILL am a believer that creativity is what solves issues, problems etc rather than your own political ideological BS. No one cares about what you think - ideologically. They shouldn't anyway.

[@METALFREAK03]

eg of it being done better was when Sarah was first introduced (you know the sotarian episode) and she goes "I am a journalist" and the doctor goes "oh you can write now huh". At the time, there was a writers strike (about a year before) which was becuase of pay for female writers. That is how you send a message. You are not going "Hey women should be able to be paid for the same jobs as men do", no as everyone would go "you are forcing this agenda down my throat". Saying the above (paraphrasing obviously), you are making people think, especially those actually in power of these decisions.

[@iolo1920]

James Buckley was wasted on this episode

[@metmeza6270]

So... if people change, that futur will never happen... So what are we watching ? The truth ? the consequences ? (My answer to this question is Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff.)

[@AlexanderOnFire]

I understand that only hardcore fans care about plot holes or consistency in a series but ignoring everything what happened before and act like world-building isn‘t important in a si-fi series with over 10 seasons is just stupid.

[@ihateunicorns867]

The most annoying thing about this episode is it hands the right-wing, DW detractors ammunition. This episode is awful, but not because it has a political/environmental message, or because it has a female Doctor, or because we have the most racially diverse companions the show has ever had. It's awful because it's narratively unfocussed.

[@Squicx]

Not in this way. It's too goddamn preachy for anyone to care at this point.