Can Explain Why the Bible is a Moral Book | Valerie - PA | Atheist Experience 23.32

[@henriquemaximo8607]

The bible game (2 players or more): -open the old testament in a random page, read a random part -do what that part says -last to go to prison wins

[@JohnSmith-fz1ih]

m not sure if you made that up, but I've not heard it before. That's brilliant... made me laugh out loud.

[@wetyewruyrtsutrdhjfg]

Building a tall tower or a large ship might be extending that game for decades. Or maybe just months.

[@gregross7393]

To funny

[@JuniusHalsey]

@@charleskimathi2157 Kings 2nd, right? There was a Penuts strip about that one

[@charleskimathi2157]

@@JuniusHalsey pretty sure but I should have said queen instead of relative so it would make more sense

[@unclescipio3136]

This woman is literal proof that religion can make a good person bad. She's a sweetheart who believes monstrous things.

[@donovanscabbia6770]

Exactly!

[@heinshaaine8153]

Why did she call him "sir" the whole time

[@cosmicpowwow]

She’s crazy. She’s probably a narcissist or psychopath. She fakes it to make it

[@kohnfutner9637]

She's not a sweetheart. She's a con artist.

[@mxewris2355]

@@cosmicpowwow Thanks for the psychological remote diagnosis Dr. Hernandez lmao.

[@jrlinsin]

Just listening to this woman hurts my heart. She's clearly a sweet person in her day-to-day, but her religion has corrupted her.

[@michalblasko8740]

Most people are like that

[@frofrofrofro900]

Sweet or mentaly disturb

[@m9frank]

She sounds like a walking nightmare to me. Would you want her as a neighbor or co-worker?

[@blackhat4206]

At least she believes in the separation of church and state... Too many of her fellows are trying to tear down that particular wall.

[@sagatuppercut2960]

I think that sweetness is just a façade. Imagine if she had political power.

[@jackdaniels9179]

I hate that she's giggling at the fact that she's exemplified herself as an immoral monster...this is religion

[@kayem3824]

It's like one of those who'd giggle when someone was burned at the stake for heresy.

[@Gary4DLC]

Its kind of scary

[@Longtack55]

I almost spewed/vomited/up-chucked/chundered. She could do with some navel-gazing.

[@jackdaniels9179]

@@kayem3824 like when Puritan Christians burned people alive for suspicions of witchcraft or through the bloody campaign of the holy crusades.

[@norrinradd3549]

Jack Daniels. And it was arseholes like her, that left Great Britain, because they didn’t want to live in a country/world where there was religious freedom, so they went to the colonies, aka the US..... And that’s why, we are hearing that kind of bullshit, on these videos, and while they’re disgusting, they’re also kind of funny(like laughing at someone who keeps on trying to walk up an icy path, and keeps on falling down), while we pity them, because we know that they are obviously uneducated ignorant twats........

[@RossTheNinja]

Matt: Exodus 21 Me: *gets popcorn*

[@RogueAgentSniff]

Ross TheNinja I was yelling “DROP THE SLAVERY VERSE DROP IT!!” Then I heard him tell her to find the verse and I went crazy with joy lol

[@InsomniacXIII]

You know you've spent too much time watching AXP if you get super excited any time you hear the words "Exodus 21." 😂😂😂

[@Jambuc829]

He keeps bringing up Exodus 21 but Leviticus 25 44-46 is indefensible.

[@Avatinfernus]

Except she read it and agreed with it somehow. She was scary and how she kept giggling about it

[@clickpause8732]

My personal favourite is Deuteronomy 13:13-16, followed a while after by Deuteronomy 22:13-21.

[@Alteori]

Poor lady. This is what religion does

[@peteralleyman1388]

It made her depraved.

[@miconis123]

Yep. Without her god, she believes she could be a prostitute or a serial killer! Ignoring the sex-shaming, she envisions the possibility of being willing to murder multiple people. And she talks about the thoughts she has. Her god is the head of the Thought Police

[@monkeytron5061]

Yeah, she is clearly a nice lady but has accepted a moral system she doesn’t agree with and can’t see it.

[@mistersippi2945]

Oh wow. I didn’t expect to see you here.

[@RainCity3rd]

@@miconis123 indeed, and this is where it seems the believers and non-believers appear to differ on a key part of morality . The god fearing, are very worried about about sinful thoughts, whereas most of us only care about actions. We accept that is is likely normal or at least not terrible that we have certain thoughts such a jealousy as long as we do not act upon them, what matters is only our actions and that actually it is better to accept we have thoughts but when we go against our thoughts this is good as we have sort of tamed the breast within. Its an acceptance we cannot control thought but we can control action.

[@ZygonCannar]

Christians: How do atheists have morals if they don't have god? Also Christians: Anyways so I beat my slave, but he didn't die so I'm fine.

[@blondul07]

Loved this episod, Matt is so damn awsome at this ..:))

[@onewholovesvenison5335]

“ so anyway I started *whipping* “

[@Leishtek]

That verse is so funny to me. "Within a day or two." Of all the detailed nonsense in the bible, why does it leave a blurry line here. Like what if I beat my slave to within an inch of his life and he dies after 36 hours? The fuck we gonna do then?

[@defiance1790]

Okay, For one... The “moral argument” hinges on the fact Atheists MUST have morals. That’s the whole point of the of the argument. An atheist that thinks Christians are saying “Atheists don’t have morals” is not comprehending the point being made. and please let me know what Christian you know has a slave...let alone beats them😒 This is how liberals are made. When people Listen to someone babble about a topic they don’t understand.

[@ZygonCannar]

​@@defiance1790 Literally like 20% of the calls he takes have people saying 'If you don't live by God or the Bible, how do you know what's right or wrong?", what are you on about? I don't THINK they are saying it, they literally claim that if we don't have the bible as a 'blueprint of morality' then we don't have morals. It's why tons of Christians think we're monsters just by saying we're atheist, they think we're basically barbarians only upheld by civil laws. This literal video is a guy trying to prove that the bible is the moral code we're supposed to uphold. Which is why Matt's argument is usually about the Bible's view on slavery, because the bible has some shit morals.

[@michaelkentlive]

Your reaction after she admitted she'd be a slave is an instant classic. One of my all-time favorite moments of the show.

[@rrpostalagain]

Michael Kent - Comedy Magician Yeah, agreed. She then went on to suggest it would be better than the prison system (which is insanity for many reasons), which somehow suggests that all the slaves were slaves because of some crime they had committed. Huh? That’s not how it worked. Seeing these people so desperate to square that circle is just sad.

[@Longtack55]

I hate how she says "Yes sir." What a fucking spineless subservient groveller.

[@antwnhs213]

@@Longtack55 You could just say christian.

[@nonyabidnazz7487]

@@antwnhs213 truth

[@thunderridge4830]

19:37

[@Famin999]

Valerie seems like a very sweet lady. This really illustrates how dangerous religion is. It can make even kind people believe in awful things.

[@Mygoalwogel]

There is no such thing as (morally) awful. 𝗘𝗹𝗶𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗔𝗿𝗴𝘂𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗠𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗡𝗶𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗶𝘀𝗺 Sub-premise 1a: Atheism does not believe in gods. Sub-premise 1b: Atheism does not believe in other supernatural validation of moral claims. (e.g. Dao, Dharma, Divine Logos) Premise 1: Therefore, Atheism does not believe in supernatural validation for moral claims. Sub-premise 2a: The eventual objective consequence of all actions is Entropy. Sub-premise 2b: Death eradicates all subjective experience of and caring about consequences. Premise 2: Consequentialism/Utilitarianism cannot justify short-term over long-term priorities. Premise 3: Furthermore, Hume's guillotine refutes all moral claims derived from observable facts. Sub-premise 4a: It is not morally wrong to change or lose interest in one’s values. Sub-premise 4b: It is not morally wrong for societies to change value judgements. Sub-premise 4c: It is not morally wrong for individuals to change or resist societal value judgements. Premise 4: Therefore, value judgements do not validate the moral claims of those judgements. Conclusion: No validation for moral claims remains; Moral Nihilism is the only rational outlook for Atheism.

[@ishmaelkelly951]

​@@MygoalwogelWOW!!!!!!!!!!! I'm a little late to your comment 🙄but it was so much word salad BULL💩 in your comment I had to respond🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 now you talking about all this nonsense for what reason ?!?!Does any of that nonsense that you spouting off get you to a God ; NO!!!! Who in the hell are you trying to tell someone about morality, when you don't have the slightest clue if you believe in some Boogeyman fairy tale about some immoral God!!! Stop believe in all of this nonsense and come join us in reality!!!!🤨

[@notmyrealname11]

"Would you be my slave under the rules of Exodus 21?" "Absolutely I would" The mental gymnastics religious people go through to maintain their faith is unreal

[@SpaceOrbisGaming]

It's also painfully sad. But this is what faith does to people. It makes them slaves and the sad fact is they willing enslave themselves. This poor woman is a great case. She would be a slave in a second. Luckily for her, this is the 21st century and such things are unlawful.

[@thethird1967]

They are in self preservation mode because their identities ergo egoes are being threatened.

[@denbecr49]

When 19:40 she said she would "absolutely" be his slave, she went straight into revealing she thought people at that time were slaves only as punishment for something they did to the person who is now their master, and that she would rather be a slave than in prison. Matt lost it while she was saying it. She probably heard an apologist say slavery was a better substitute for incarceration or another commenter say it was better to enslave them than to slaughter them if they were enemies conquered in war. I think she merely had to be shown from her bible that slaves could be bought or that a young virgin from a neighboring conquered state could be kept alive to be a slave forever when everyone else was commanded to be killed. Now we won't know if she would have listened to reason.

[@barbararipani1331]

I absolutely love the mental gymnastics comment.

[@yaruqadishi8326]

DITTO

[@mattg9036]

Christian Logic: Without God we would all be depraved. Yet they claim we are all depraved anyway ?

[@andrewlockett4569]

Yeah, but what's the point of looking for logic in the illogical. We're taking about absolutes here. And these morally bankrupt Christopaths are the world's apex parasites!

[@baileymoran8585]

It took so long for me to get that whole ‘we are born evil and we deserve eternal torture’ out of my head. It hurts your self-esteem and view of people, which leads to depression. Now I can’t imagine thinking we are all just as bad as child rapists, dictators, and serial killers. We are all flawed, but most of us are decent. It feels so much better knowing that I’m not on the same level as people like Albert Fish. I don’t get it now. I was raised believing that, but how do adults willingly call themselves ‘horribly depraved’ but think the god that judges them is ‘loving?’

[@morpheas768]

Yes, this is how they try to get you, dude. Religion is the age-old snake oil salesman scam: Claims that you're sick, and then offers you the cure, in the form of faith and devotion to a Church and all its rules, standards and practices. Wake up, its all a con. Churches and religious institutions have been doing it for centuries now, at the very least. You convince people that they're sick, and that you're the only one with the cure. Not only will they fall for it, but they'll keep coming back for more, because the "cure" doesnt actually do anything. And those that call out the con, are people that are "too sick" to realize there really is a "cure". Its the perfect con.

[@jimcarlson6157]

no. she is just saying that she loves to fuck.

[@theunholinesswithin70]

Having created depravity, makes god a depraved creator.

[@jesmarina]

"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." ― Steven Weinberg

[@SpaceOrbisGaming]

This poor woman needs help. She seems unable to have her own thoughts. She says one thing then a few minutes later says another. It's truly sad to know people like her exist and get to vote on things.

[@richdandanell2911]

Kind'a reminds you of our president , doesn't she ?

[@alexisjuillard4816]

Rich Dandanell euh absolutely not. It’s even the complete opposite one can’t have an opinion on her own the other has many personal opinions that nothing can change. Both are stupid, only similarity

[@alexisjuillard4816]

Space Orbis Gaming i’d say it’s worrying not sad. We are the ones affected not her, voting affects reality, and she clearly has never been there. I’ll agree it’s sad that people like that exist, but I’m starting to doubt we can do something about it, even in thz brightest future possible. It seems to me intrinsic to the guman species to WANT to obey. As hichens would have said, it is the desire to be a slave, the essence of sadomasochism, of abjection. Look what’s happening right now: as religious beliefs decline, alternate equally false, stupid and dogmatic belives are on the rise, think of conspiracies, and all those weird faith based beliefs (vaccins, homepathy, flat earth, moon landing etc) I’m starting to think that to not succomb to that you need to be at least average smart if no more and/or have to make conscious constant efforts to not have fallacious reasoning, as it’s more natural and thus easier then proper reason. But that may just be repressed arrogance and a good dose of intellectual rewarding masturbation

[@whatever000whenever]

It is fascinating to hear the extremely compartmentalized thinking the caller displayed. I like ice cream. Ice cream is bad. Ice cream is the perfect food. Ice cream is terrible for diabetes... There is no reflection or deeper thought required when you just "believe."

[@alexisjuillard4816]

whatever000whenever the worst is the unflinching confidence she is imbued with. She belives the most in the things she should trust the least and is completely incapable of seeing that

[@peteralleyman1388]

She's a true christian. She never read the good book.

[@Omerta_1964]

Wow how true that statement really is!

[@champ8605]

thats the thing about religion its more like a loose franchise where each pastor gives there own interpretations of an instruction book and tells their customers what they think the instructions mean. no need to read the rules when someone can tell you what they think it means.

[@francoisona]

Best not call it the good book though..

[@anonymousjohnson976]

@@Omerta_1964 : Exactly! My life each day is just trying to stay sane in an insane world.

[@barkYdarkATFB]

I read at least one good book a week. Last week it was “A Thousand Splendid Suns” by Khaled Hosseini

[@HarryJCLK]

I like this dude. He is cutthroat and straight to the point

[@skygard49]

I can't blame him but him being so cutthroat makes me feel so sorry for the callers

[@katyungodly]

@@skygard49 this lady was nice (althoughly terribly indoctrinated), but many theist callers are just straight up smug dicks who call in because they think they can get one in on the hosts or preach some screed to the audience.

[@jebclang9403]

@@skygard49 Oh come on. I appreciate your sense of humanity, but i've seen this show for over 13 years now, and people keep being unable to have decent conversations and being stupid in general. For example oversimplifying everyday concepts like these (sexwork being wrong somehow).

the thing is the religious side doesnt change and hes done it for almost 20 years. so its the same thing over and over im sure it gets frustrating and thats why he is short with people. he cuts out the bs real fast nowadays

[@xavierrandall]

I like it when hit the sex workers subject, he's on point.

[@SimberLayek]

"I'm not gonna quote Bible verses to you.. " *Immediately quotes Bible verses...*

[@lnsflare1]

To be fair, she paraphrased Bible verses at him at that point, so she wasn't technically lying.

[@ProfezorSnayp]

"I don't want to quote the Bible to you" Continues with quoting the Bible...

[@markfindlay8636]

I know ! Can't have any respect for these fools . hypnotized for the rest of their lives on this nonsense!

[@neorich59]

Ever the same with these people. It's like when they say that they can "prove" the existence of their God without using the Bible and then go on to quote it chapter and verse. The book has become a (false) Idol to many of them.

[@mjallen1308]

OMG! I was just about to type that!

[@channalmath8628]

tbf, she paraphrased. but still, hilarious!

[@djtaylorutube]

Well to be fair it was more of a precis than a quote :)

[@BeardedTruth]

I’m so glad I found this channel. My family is religious to the point of willful ignorance, and I haven’t been comfortable around them since I was a young adult. They really believe in this nonsense, as do so many others. Some of them try to force it on me and it’s ruined our relationship permanently. I’ve been called “stupid” and “lost” by them for not adhering to their God.

[@natemorgan1996]

Dude I'm sorry that you had to go through that shit, that is crazy

[@LaKoeps]

Drop them. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but drop them. They don't have your best interest in mind, they don't really care for your thoughts and feelings, they don't care for you as a person. They see a lost sheep and they only want it's soul.

[@shroomer8294]

@@LaKoeps Honestly couldn’t agree more. If they ruin the relationship because of what they want to believe then honestly fuck ‘em.

[@Arkloyd]

If I told my father that I couldn't believe anymore, he would most likely disown me. I'm sorry your family only cares about your religion rather than you, yourself.

[@AngryBird___]

Show them these kind of videos

[@CsykKrit]

"I apologize if it sounds like that, I didn't mean it to." This means she's not aware of what she's saying or doing.

[@dangerics]

I know! He literally paraphrases her, almost quotes her. What the heck does mean for it to sound like?

[@DocBree13]

I think she just wants to keep her fucked up views and not seem fucked up to other people.

[@Lupinemancer87]

"This is wrong because I believe..." And there lays the problem with Theists.

[@jtownants3215]

Now I am paraphrasing this, "because the bible says so, I believe..." This seems a lot more troubling, to me. I am not trying to argue your point in any way. Just offering my 2 cents.✌

[@icemachine79]

@THE PEOPLE SING _"Atheists are cold and arrogant "_ Is that your way of telling us you're an atheist now?

[@stevewebber707]

@THE PEOPLE SING And you are comfortable painting all atheists with one brush based off of your belief? Personally I think basing morality off of beliefs is a horribly weak and flawed base for morality. About as bad as allowing your moral compass to be dictated by preachers interpreting an archaic book. Far better to base them off of what we think and feel, with emphasis on the thinking.

[@danschmidt6206]

@@tonyaratlaff7990 why'd christianity take 1500 years to give us the "greatest culture in the history of man"? Oh wait, was it because it was too busy with crusades and burning witches before it got its act together?

[@dansoby]

@@tonyaratlaff7990 You need to learn your history, Russia has always had a church, the Russian orthodox church. Stalin eliminated all other churches expect that one cause he controlled that church, Stalin knew the importance of having a church he controlled in helping to control the population. North Korea considers there leader a god and they worship him. Hitler and Mussolini made deals with the catholic church cause again they knew the importance of having a church they controlled. A better comparison is based on current populations, the country with the most Atheist is the Czech Republic 75% of the population Atheist. feel to list any human rights violations they have. The top Christian nation is D.R. Congo 95.9% population, google D R Congo human rights violations it is to many to list.

[@geofthompson3844]

I'm from England and so this show is not something I have ever heard about until recently but I've become a bit obsessed with it. It's hilarious, listening to the cult members coming on and trying to justify the utterly unjustifiable and being destroyed really cheers me up. I think lock down has got me feeling mean and this really helps 😂😂

[@justinm2697]

I'm a little jealous. It's been a while since I've discovered a YT channel that I like with a lot of content to watch. You have years of binge watching ahead of you.

[@jiubboatman9352]

This is the god that will allow a mass murderer in as long as he believes. While condemning a person to an eternity of agony for exercising their intelligence.

[@lukedeakin7124]

@@redeemedone8553 they are saying it is intelligent to be skeptical of the Bible because it is full of claims with little to no evidence

[@tlibito]

@@redeemedone8553 hell seems better than kissing gods ass for eternity

[@lukedeakin7124]

@@redeemedone8553 ?

[@sycofreake1]

@@redeemedone8553 that a man can live in a fish 3 days. Just prove that one claim.

[@sycofreake1]

@@redeemedone8553 nope, don't get it. So that's one down. How about the zombie horde that walked through town?

[@yakojjy]

"Don't worry I'm not going to quote the bible to you" (Literally the next sentence) "In Romans it says....."

[@jrasicmark1]

That's exactly what I thought. But I'm sure she'd excuse herself by saying it wasn't an exact quote. She was paraphrasing, so it doesn't count in her mind.

[@anthonydanyameabuah4542]

I literally came into the comment section to see this comment after I heard her say that

[@rudeinterplanetjanet]

Another thing that bothers me is when Christians claim that Jesus somehow nullified Slavery. However, Jesus completely supported slavery. In the New Testament scriptures, Jesus was fine with slavery and that slaves should obey their masters. So when Christians claimed Jesus got rid of slavery or nullified it, I roll my eyes to the point that they nearly fall out.

[@Ctrl_Alt_Del_USA]

Just when you thought you've seen Matt disassemble the argument too many times, a gem like this comes along.😚

[@Omerta_1964]

I know right? I have seen matt talk about things like this many,many times and this time was the last straw for him. I totally understand and defend his walking off. It gets to the point where one has to say "they are beyond help"

[@markusnavergard2387]

like seeing a wolf tear into a baby lamb. the poor lady never stood a chance. hehe

[@thedukeofnuts]

@@markusnavergard2387 Not really, as at the end of the conversation it was as if nothing had happened. Her crazy belief system was still intact.

[@norrinradd3549]

Michael, I spat my coffee out, when I read your comment, thanks for the mess..... ☕️🤣😂🤣🤥🤣🤥🤣

[@AdamHawkesDeveloper]

I think "beat you mercifully " was entirely accurate, given the context.

[@zipherdias420]

Ya, coming from Matt, comparatively that was a slap on the wrist.

[@reyramirez5710]

The caller was a well-meaning simpleton. And that’s being charitable.

[@tybeeislandgoat1402]

Well she is mean, plain and simple.

[@nathan.brazil780]

Don't forget eating shell fish and being left handed are punishible in the Goat Hearders Guide to the Galaxy

[@AC-gb7do]

Nathan Brazil picking up sticks on the Sabbath is a sin as well.

[@stevenmanwaring8943]

Your talking about the Bible right? Just wondering where it says that about being left handed in the Bible. I can't find anything that directly saying being left handed is punishable.

[@themuch21]

Who called the bible that again? Sounds like seth andrews to me, but I can be mistaken...

[@themuch21]

@Toughen Up, Fluffy Dude, you forgot to say Bingo

[@thomaszurschmeide6158]

N

[@blane2472]

"I think we should go back to slavery because the prison system is bad," is one hell of a statement to make in front of a large international audience and think you're making sense.

[@fritzhaselnuss7852]

she is the epitome of the saying "you cannot win with these people"

[@pavel9652]

They won, but she is never going to acknowledge it. She is like the other callers who present a flawed argument, get rebutted, say "exactly" and proceed like nothing happened.

[@Tulkas_Arg]

"Yes, he says literally that slavery is ok, but I don't think it means that" *insert extreme facepalm here*

[@scipioafricanus5871]

"d'Oh!"

[@wookim7287]

Clearly God said that to test us, just like when he wanted an anteater m Abraham to kill his son 🙄

[@joelonsdale]

The correct sound effect for a face-palm is "platch"...

[@iggysfriend4431]

"I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe." Not once does she say, "according to the evidence...."

[@pollypockets508]

What's this evidence you speak of? ;-)

[@Kitiwake]

Not everything, indeed no ethereal thing, is reduced just to scientism.

[@fomori2]

@@Kitiwake English words have meaning as well. Please attempt to use them instead of making words up with whatever definition you feel like being dishonest about that day.

[@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010]

@@Kitiwake actually everything except supernatural things can by definition be demonstrated with science. Never heard of this "Scientism" not even sure if its a real word but science certainly has proven itself capable of demonstrating most everything except the supernatural. Obviously there are things that are as if yet unknown but hey the gaps keep closing eventually God wont be able to find a place to fit

[@kasplatz553]

This essentially was said: "Would you be my slave under the rules of Exodus 21, which allow me to beat you?" "Yes. It is better than prison, because in prison you can get beat up."

[@jg3865]

Wow! That was painful to listen to. That woman has no clue. People like this vote.

[@vestafreyja]

Not only does she vote, she probably has had children or may have some time in the future.

[@wwjudasdo]

Isn't freedom great?

[@jermaineartis4323]

I guess it's justified since voting has no significance either! We're voting on policies that don't actually improve our way of life. Just like religion! Invisible people who don't care about our actual needs through demonstration. The president is just the face.

[@jsmall10671]

It was painful listening to Matt yell "I don't give a fuck..." to someone trying to have a reasonable discussion about morality. What an asshole.

[@jg3865]

@@jsmall10671 cognitive dissonance

[@tedgrant2]

God is perfect. God made us. We are bad. Think.

[@BruceKulick]

@@DaFeanor20 God is perfect. God made us. We are bad. Think. We just are. We made up Gods Gods are flawed human concepts This is actually fucking brilliant ! Do you guys realise how poetic it sounds !? XD

[@JohnSpike8888]

+tedgrant2 Asking theist to think always remind me of that Dr. House quote: "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."

[@god8020]

@@DaFeanor20 theistic claim? I thought the comment meant how can God be perfect if he made us and we re flawed?

[@MisterMcKinney]

Dom_90 , because we’re conscious and can’t solve the biggest mysteries in the universe, therefore it’s just easy to make up a god to account for all this instead of actually looking for the actual answers.

[@fubaramoris8196]

A thinking or rational believer? How about a hot ice cream? Pls give me a break.

[@warrencass4628]

If god is perfect... Why would it bother creating something imperfect? and then judge & punish that imperfection.

[@cinnasharon980]

Or the fact that if god is perfect...yet he made a mistake making people.. and then killed even the innocent by a flood cause he screwed up. And he's perfect??? Yeah, right.

[@patzchan1900]

*you got a bible handy? Open it to exodus 21* Me: ugh finally 😑

[@gotaminutereviews]

Only took Matt what, 15 years before he finally snapped? That woman is lost. So, so lost.

[@rockysandman5489]

He was a Christian for like 25 years, so it took him only a bit longer but yeah.

[@m9frank]

More like stupid.

[@johnthijm5113]

More like indoctrinated

[@bms77]

More like old fashioned and simple minded.. those type of folks rarely ever change their positions. Simpletons oversimplify everything when it comes to Christianity and their views and they don’t really care about learning something new

[@DocBree13]

Wow - what an amazing call - I’m speechless. Matt and Vi did such a fantastic job, and I hope that deluded woman gets help.

[@ChristopherStendeck]

She seems like a nice lady so I really feel sorry for her. Just as any victim of indoctrination, she has been left with a head full of mutually contradictory and incompatible mantras and platitudes which don't stand up to logic, reason or any kind of real world moral test. She would not want to live in a savagely punitive world governed by so-called Biblical morality. It would be a world of brutal oppression, merciless persecution and coercion by fear. In brief moments of lucidity, she knows this to be true, but religious programming still forces her to say that God is good and the Bible is moral. That is the hill she is willing to die on, and she has no idea why.

[@AnnaP-uh3mc]

Izzy of Albion yep, i found myself liking this woman even though i disagree with her. I want to take her for a glass of wine and a chat. Her heart is in the right place.

[@lucy9698]

Demon: "You will be punished for your gluttony" Me: "Sweet, I'm a glutton for punishment"

[@violetmoonlight479]

Lucy Perfect lol! 🤣🤣🤣😈

[@liambrasier6590]

@Colin Cleveland I think they both do... Not 100% though

[@Overlord734]

@@liambrasier6590 no, in this case both are losers. Both would be winners if a sadist refuses to beat a masochist. :)

[@liambrasier6590]

@@Overlord734 are you kink shaming my guy? Bigot Lmao, just kidding man

[@DrMikeE100]

Caller: "I'm not going to quote the Bible... (2 seconds later) but in Romans, it says..." Sheesh!!!

[@coalhouse1981]

I halfway feel sorry for this woman.. shes got some real cognitive dissonance going on

[@coalhouse1981]

@@DaFeanor20 she seems genuinely confused..it was clear to me her relgion conflicts with her personal stance

[@jg3865]

And there are people in the comment section that have defended her.... my response was exactly that....cognitive dissonance

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

@@jg3865 we all have cognitive dissonance it's normal. How many people died today? you probably don't even know & you certainly don't care about them all. Only people with a lot of training in compassion care about all of them. ur own attitude to ur situation is inconsistent with ur attitude to other people yet at the same time u probably assert some sort of equal rights

[@Timbales1979]

UK man loves goddesses You clearly don't understand the definition of Cognitive Dissonance.

[@jetkismet2345]

If you listen to the talk heathen episode she called in after this she’s re-evaluated what she said and admits to her bs. So there’s hope for Valerie ithink

[@dionettaeon]

Heavy indoctrination to be sure, but that fact that she so willing agreed to be a slave under Levitical law leads me to suspect two things: 1) she's severely clueless about what she's actually agreeing to even after she read the passage herself, and/or 2) she might very well be an abuse victim and has become so desensitized to it that she thinks that's what's supposed to happen to her.

[@tinyfroghag]

She’s probably married to a man that treats her horribly because it’s “god’s law” so she doesn’t see slavery as that bad, because she’s already had all of her freedoms stripped away. I’m honestly sad for her.

[@teamatfort444]

@@tinyfroghag it’s like Stockholm syndrome but with imaginary friends

[@SkyDuskAndHerAmazingCupcakes]

I love how he straight up went "fuck this" and left his seat lol

[@johnlopperman2161]

Valerie: "I think, I think" She clearly doesn't.

[@pollypockets508]

Nah. It takes a lot of mental work to do that much mental gymnastics.

[@johnlopperman2161]

@@pollypockets508 Mental gymnastics is literally 'running-in-place'. It doesn't get you anywhere!

[@Dan_C604]

When Matt opens the bible, Vi’s face is like “yay, bring the popcorn, I know this will be fun!”

[@billfranklin9443]

Matt, and Vi, you guys are awesome. WOW what a program, love every minute of it.

[@Apostateoftheunion]

The idea that god sacrificed himself to himself to save me from himself, blows my freaking mind. Also the idea that there can be no morality without god or the teachings of the bible has been shown to be demonstrably false. How people can continue to to believe these ancient fairytales in spite of so much evidence to the contrary, makes me so angry that I become physically sick to my stomach.

[@19822andy]

Even more absurd is the fact there wasn't even a sacrifice in the first place. Sacrifice inherently involves loss and nothing was lost. Jesus woke back up a few days later, floated off and became co-ruler of the entire universe.

[@ronaldwema53]

This woman has the most circular arguments I’ve ever heard

[@cy-one]

She should go into tire R&D, she might be able to lower the rolling resistance ;)

[@DTRproductions]

"I would be a slave"... You already are.

[@OllieandCompany]

Matt has WAY TOO MUCH fun with these people.

[@cinnasharon980]

But I Love it!!

[@OldWalkingCrow]

As proof that ignorance is bliss, witness this jolly caller effortlessly avoid any attempts to examine her own acknowledged internal contradictions. This woman is a living meme.

[@mustafashrufti506]

Matts walk off is a classic scene in this shows great history.....love ya Matt

[@Nemokeys]

Man I use to think this way.... man I’m so glad my mind is change

[@cosmikskeptik9877]

Whaaaaat? You reject the religion that was forced upon your ancestors by the slave owners??? Lol Glad you escaped my friend

[@Longtack55]

Glad you used your brains mate!

[@ClannCholmain]

A reminder for your friends: How many slaves did Jesus free? Not one.

[@yaruqadishi8326]

You are more Theist now than you were then.

[@ClannCholmain]

@Exotic - Truth - Seeker - Artist, out of interest, what deity do you worship?

[@davidfrantz3473]

“If Vi and I have sex and we’re not married, is that a sin?” “Well I believe in the separation of church and state...” ??!!!!??

[@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010]

@MusicMadMaurice you know every time i said the pledge i school i skipped the part about God because of the separation of church and state

[@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010]

@MusicMadMaurice oh i wasnt shy about it. Unfortunately i went to a highly Christian majority school and once actually had a teacher tell me that i was going to hell for denying God. Man am i glad i left that school

[@hithere7080]

@@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010 I skip the whole thing because I'm not going to pledge allegiance to this shit hole

[@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010]

@@hithere7080 i mean at this point I wouldn't say it but that was a long time ago

[@hithere7080]

@@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010 at least at my school, they skip saying under god, they still pledge allegiance, which is still bullshit

[@bobwebb1348]

Brilliant responses, Matt. I wish I had your brain and experience of these arguments!

[@msfair3625]

Is this lady auditioning to be a wife on Handmaid's Tale, or wtf?

[@1980iulian]

Wow, the mental gymnastics and denial.. I was pulling my hair out by the end of the call.

[@vagnersilva5465]

Well... That's the first time I actually realized this contradiction between Justice and Mercifulness. Thx, Matt!!!

[@nicosteffen364]

If god is perfect, he made us and we are sinners, so hemade us to be sinners to punish us forever! What kind of logic is that? A terrible one!

[@K_Shawn_Webb]

@@Hero4fun77 strange imagination i guess...really adds nothing to disccus tho...

[@stewiegriffin1723]

@Master Ikem according to the fairy tale in genesis anyway

[@1980iulian]

Darkmatter has a brilliant video about this very thing.

[@nopeace3689]

@Master Ikem But if God created human beings with a desire to do things that are considered to be a sin which is what happened to Adam and Eve they desired to eat a fruit which even God said it was good that desire came from God. so he's getting mad at humans acting out on a desire that he gave us and that makes us imperfect. That would be like if I made a machine who has a secondary option and functions to make money and then I get mad at it for making money when it was installed at tilling machine how am I going to smash that machine which represents going to hell if I could hate it it with that option or function that made no sense like for real.

[@Firestorm12345678910]

And also want's a relationship with us meanwhile at the same time had created each soul (hand crafted), sent the soul to inhabit specific bodies (that also god created and planned for behind the scenes) and therefore knows us better then we know ourselves. Even without a perfect knowledge of the future (so that's being generous to an omni god) why would such a god wan't a relationship? And while wanting a relationship doesn't sound like a bad thing since humans do that type of thing all the time however here the biblical god seems to demand it rather then be all gentle about it. So again this revolves around a claim made by theists that we all have a special innate knowledge about god that only their religion could unlock/bring to the surface (FYI this gets further complicated by denominations and what each of them have to say and preach about doctrines such as salvation etc).

[@AthenaSchroedinger]

That was bizarre! I think that she is in serious need of professional counseling.

[@jamariousjohns9234]

I need counseling after listening to that shit

[@AbleAnderson]

I don’t think prostitution is immoral or that it should be illegal, but I wouldn’t want anyone in my family to be one. Prostitution is highly correlated with childhood abuse and addiction, and it’s not some laudable thing like Matt says.

[@alfonshatlaf5126]

19:36 Comedy Gold I can't believe she said that^^

[@razielodimm666]

Sweet mother of sin this lady is absolutely batshit insane.

[@fyraltari1889]

My jaw completely dropped when she said that. How can anyone be this willfully blind, I don't understand.

[@Pandalka]

holy fuk 🤣

[@jamesparson]

She broke Matt with that one.

[@doubledoubleyou2838]

She doesn't like prostitution ... and yet doesn't know what she may have to do to "please her master" ...

[@houstonharwood7197]

She just legit said she wished someone who stole something didn’t go to jail, because it would be unfair to them, but rather became someone’s SLAVE for 6 years under the rules of Exodus, where they can be endlessly beaten as long as they don’t die within a few days.

[@jaymorgan8013]

She thinks she's no different to anyone inside prison because she has some sinful thoughts? That is absolutely crazy to me.

[@Arkloyd]

Leave it to a god that indulges in mass torture to punish thought-crime, such as getting horny, which is involuntary.

[@Korb-Bee]

13:40 true, im gay. I dont lay with women like I do with men.

[@FakingANerve]

Hahaaaaa! Nice! 😁

[@carlisroy6666]

You've found the perfect loophole! Kudos, sir!

[@Whaylie]

*jumps into the air and high fives you, the camera freeze frames and the outro music begins*

[@cy-one]

*thinks* Yep, checks out. I need to keep this in mind XD

[@_Somsnosa_]

I just do it standing up. No laying necessary. Take that god.

[@brianharris7243]

I don't think Valerie understands either her own book or Matt's explanations.

[@malicious0ninja]

...both...

[@wardrecaridius3740]

She sounds like the nicest sweetest person, and then she breaks out the "yeah but I wish we had slavery instead of just prisons" like WHAT

[@DouglasVairon]

Honestly, I know what it's like to be in her shoes. I hope she keeps watching this channel and other great channels like Aronra and sam harris and especially matt here. Channels like these are what finally got me to think rationally, and deconvert.

[@stewartmoore5158]

Matt just gets better and better as the years go by. He practises what he 'preaches' by honing his logic, reasoning and arguments. Goddamn baddass.

[@terrybeaud9348]

I L-O-V-E Vi's reactions when Matt puts people in their place !! I LOVE it !! :))

[@adnolan14]

Valerie you are beyond belief.

[@ImStayGold42]

I bet this lady has never traveled outside her home town or state.

[@kieronbrowne7881]

ImStayGold42 I doubt she’s been out of her own house.

[@kieronbrowne7881]

ImStayGold42 if she has a house.

[@johnbull1986]

@@kieronbrowne7881 I think you mean asylum rather than house.

[@johnlopperman2161]

Im She has never traveled outside her bible.

[@okaminotamashi7411]

"I'm not saying that I hate people with no good reason, but here are my reasons for hating them"

[@zekebuzby67]

I find it interesting how often she says God's perfect and yet at several points she disagrees with the bible.

[@nuno.picado]

When Matt pulls out the bible and Vi just leans back... Precious!

[@NormogGaming]

Best part of the vid 😂

[@sheznotfunny]

"I think you've done the impossible. Matt just quit." 💀

[@fubaramoris8196]

"A theist is someone who claims they have a pet dragon & instead of showing us the dragon, it's stool sample, picture, a footage, footprint, or any evidence that remotely supports their claim, they point to a fire because they think or believe dragons spit fire while forgetting other possible or probable causes of fire".

[@ferretneck]

She actually sounds like a nice person. I love how Matt doesn't care about that and rips her to pieces anyway.

[@francischimenti1374]

How well does she take it though?! Geez... sounds like she's used to it. EVEN she might find what she says a little ridiculous judging by the way she laughed at the Matt-ing barrage she got!

[@zlisc561]

She might sound like a nice person but anyone who believes someone should be tortured for eternity because they don't believe in something without evidence is honestly a piece of shit human being.

[@colinjava8447]

The soft approach just doesn't work, you need to do something more intense for them to take notice. But even still, I think only a small percent of christians come to the conclusion that religion is all nonsense.

[@jamessearing-i1048]

she doesn`t necessarily come out of this exchange any worse than matt does in my view, and i`m an atheist.

[@colinjava8447]

@@zlisc561 I don't think typical Christians actually think this, but they make up excuses to resolve the differences in their morality and their gods morality. Like they themselves are wrong and god is right even if we can't understand it. Frank turek is good at dodging this one, he says you chose separation from god, so it's all on you if you go to hell. He forgets the tiny detail that God must have set up the system in the first place that takes people to hell, which makes god a piece of shit.

[@RaptorJesus.]

the moral book of slavery, infanticide and eternal torture. also the hilarity of "i'm not gonna quote bible verses at you, but in romans it says..."

[@anthonylong9067]

Here’s something to think about: If god’s so powerful, why doesn’t he simply destroy satan so Hell doesnt exist at all?

[@firephantom115]

cuz God's an asshole, and likes to punish people for nothing, and let people suffer

[@anthonylong9067]

Thomas Jeffries God be like: 1-“Create humans with original sin” 2-“Kill them for being sinful” 3- ???? 4-“Profit”

[@margaretbarrett6087]

Please don’t attempt to use logic and reason with christians - their minds will explode!!

[@lnsflare1]

To be fair, Satan didn't create or maintain Hell, that's just where he was locked up by God or is destined to get locked up in by God in the future, so the actual question would be "why did God create Hell and why is he continuing to maintain it despite being omnipotent?"

[@Vhlathanosh]

Then what will "he" threaten you with to remain obedient?

[@burkeyatm]

Seriously, how does someone become so disconnected in their thoughts? It’s bizarre.

[@tmeservey2723]

Critical thinkers are few and far between.

[@jadistucker2073]

That grin on Vi's face when Matt asked how they were radically depraved was fucking priceless!

[@joeturner1597]

I love the Sermon on the mount. "Blessed are the Cheese Makers."

[@royjacksonjr.4447]

Actually, I believe this refers to any producer of dairy products.

[@johncross2995]

It's not meant to be taken literally, it refers to any manufacturer of dairy products.

[@dangerics]

SPEAK UP!

[@johncross2995]

@MusicMadMaurice Let's go to the stoning.

[@johncross2995]

@MusicMadMaurice Should be a good one today, sir. Local boy.

[@joerusso7851]

No evidence for the existence of heaven or hell.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

That is the bottom line man. No evidence of any gods whatsoever.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@Truthus Maximus Alright, what is your absolute best evidence of any gods existing?

[@pedrofuica9733]

@Truthus Maximus the only evidence that we need to justify our position of "we don't belive in god" is the lack of evidence from the theist, but you think there is evidence, so, change our mind.

[@pedrofuica9733]

@Truthus Maximus well, you are right, i will dismiss it, but not because i'm ignorant of science, and don't care of filosofy because filosofy doesn't prove a thing in itself. But, i wouldn't dismiss it if you can do something easy, if this is science, can you get the name of a scientist with a published paper of fine tunning? Is easy to get if this is science, and willing to read it, so good luck.

[@roqsteady5290]

@Truthus Maximus "An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." That is a common fallacy. If their is a lack of evidence for an elephant on the quad, then that is indeed evidence of it's absence. For a mouse, that might be different. And you can decide whether your god is more like an elephant or a mouse!?

[@Skymannot6939]

Another brilliant argument Matt and Vi. Thanks

[@BR540E]

Valerie's a wonderfully civil theist. Her views are frustrating but she definitely deserves to be treated with patience.

[@CronoXpono]

No. No. and fuck no. I think it's hilarious that if it's a soft spoken voice instead of some dickhead shouting, the message is somehow less awful. SHE LITERALLY THINKS THAT SEX WORKERS ARE DEPRAVED AND LINKED IT TO SERIAL MURDERERS AND ONLY WALKED IT BACK WHEN IT WAS POINTED OUT. Fuck that noise, she's a POS.

[@SeanGCorcoran82]

"Prostitution can help a marriage. I can tell you from personal experience". Please, do go on Matt...

[@LubaFan]

That would be a fun rabbit hole to go down... 🐇

[@samsox69]

Curiosity is one of my vices I need more details 😁

[@toastcrunch9387]

It sounds like Matt is very bad at marriage.

[@Vaishino]

What if one partner is asexual and the other isn't? Letting the sex-wanting partner get off without involving the other sure seems like it could be helpful.

[@supertouring22]

@@toastcrunch9387 he divorced in 2018

[@Infernovogel]

I'm honestly impressed by how calm and polite she stayed the whole time. I really hope she calls into Talk Heathen. I think those conversation could be fun.

[@jackie.p6891]

I genuinely had to pause it after she said she'd prefer slavery over the prison system...what???

[@InsiderBoy]

The sad part is, her parents probably threatened her with death by stoning which forced her into this mindset.

[@alexandreayoung7920]

This is like talking with my mother about the bible. We've had conversations just like this. I couldn't figure out why it annoyed me so much, and now I know. Wow. Just wow.

[@derwolf9670]

craziest call yet...and just when I thought I had heard it all

[@JMUDoc]

"Would you, Valerie, be my slave under the rules of Exodus 21?" "Yes." *Matt has left the chat.

[@alberich3099]

at leaast shes consistent :D

[@krolegend2061]

Matt's reaction to her answer was hilarious!

[@billmelaterplease]

This is way better than anything on Netflix!!!!

[@fucka1386]

Bro hasn’t seen Ozark

[@zpRaon]

This woman is very sweet and it is so sad to see her moral warping on display. I hope she can pull through it eventually.

[@cnault3244]

9:30 "Jesus says let he who is without sin cast the first stone" But then according to the Bible, Jesus does not cast the first stone. This means 1 of 3 options. 1) Jesus is not without sin 2) Jesus is actually a woman( a she,not a he) 3) Jesus is telling the people that the commandments can be ignored if you want to ignore them

[@imjessietr29]

C Nault I took it as “only people who haven’t slept with her can stone her and Jesus doesn’t stone her either

[@Kitiwake]

It's 3. All people are masters of their own minds. They make their own choice.

[@JohnSmith-fz1ih]

I'm an atheist, and I think the bible is astoundingly immoral. This isn't one of those times though. The moral of the story is those wanting to judge others should first look back at their own actions as we have all done things we are not proud of. The relevant point in this case is that Jesus is addressing those wanting to cast stones. The correct answer in this case is: 4) Jesus does not want to cast a stone

[@AussieNaturalist]

Wow, poor Val, she is sooooo confused about, well, everything. I hope she keeps listening to Matt, Vi and everyone else, that way she might one day blow away the fog of confusion that is so clearly clouding her mind.

[@jasonchan4732]

I like how he opened his soda can with 1 hand while still ranting.