Can God Be All Knowing And We Have Free Will At The Same Time?

[@dh1335]

It’s late, otherwise I could offer up other scriptures, but one scripture comes to mind, When a angel of the Lord at the last moment before Abraham was about to plunge the knife into Issac , The angel said stop, do not harm the lad, The angel exclaimed “ Now I know you fear the lord. So when did the angel know? NOW! When he was tested. As far as God existing outside of time, that was invented by Plato. Not a biblical concept. I believe God chooses not to know, because the lost would accuse God on the great judgement day of favoritism for not creating the right environment, such as Race, sex, beauty, smart, Homosexual, rich, poor, etc. it would be like we would say to the potter, why hast thou made me thus? So we are responsible for our choices. it’s one the mysteries where we can only guess. All I know for sure is, that as a Christian you must live a Godly life. That I know for sure. Thus fulfilling, the Royal law that Jesus summarized, to love God and your neighbor as yourself.God bless.

[@pastoorfourie3588]

I literally am so happy that someone agrees with me on this, I found this problem on my own a while back and was very confused and came to the realization that God is probably all knowing in the sense that he knows possibility but not outcome. I couldn't ever effectively explain my reasoning to someone so I thought maybe I was crazy or something but voila!! There's people who think the same, great vid man...

[@markshipley6119]

If god knows all possibilities but not outcome then you can throw out every prophecy in the bible, including every one about Jesus.

[@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50]

So not all knowing

[@sadorworkalemahu938]

God is all knowing and we also have freewill. God knows how we gone end up in every decisions we make instantaneously as we make them.

[@SA-pi3zm]

@@sadorworkalemahu938yeah that doesn’t hold up. Most people can very accurately predict what happens after most decisions. It’s knowing what decisions will be made that is all knowing and if something doesn’t know what decision you will make then it is not omnipotent

[@hariv5664]

Man this is such a legendary channel filled with most of my thoughts....

[@cypherpunk12]

Not knowing what path you will take but knowing all possible paths is not all knowing. You see you miss some very important parts of the Bible and that is the parts that say "God has a plan." Let's hypothetically say "God did not know Adam and Eve would break his one rule." if this were true then all other events that took place, up until this day were not planned and the Bible is a lie. The only possible explanation is the first one where you explained "God knows exactly what path you will take" which means you don't have freewill, just the illusion of freewill.

[@vronndan2838]

I found these at perfect time. These last several years I have been in Recovery and am discovering my spiritual path.

[@Y_Alexandra]

Umm why do I feel you will come back with an amazing testimony ❤️ . Just the fact that you take the time & effort to seek God’s mysteries even though you don’t understand them, I feel he finds favor in that. You are a special person . God bless you .

[@samY-de9dq]

you can be all-knowing without having control of the outcome. what about being all-knowing with having an influence on the outcome. last what about an all willing god that will conclude an outcome but no longer influence because all becomes complete. We will live and died and end up in heaven or hell. what more would you want to know?

[@ajburgess7242]

I agree fully. I actually went to school for my bachelors in divinity (double major in Biblical studies/theology). One of the first things we learned and were tested on is the attributes of God. The main AND latter attributes. He wants people who are free to choose him but knows the inevitable outcome one way or the other without interference. It doesn't make God cruel for knowing what you were free to choose and you make the wrong decision. We also have no right to keep God inside of a mortal mind's box on what it means to be a transcendent creator or the morality of one who is immortal's choices, because we cant understand or decide that from the standpoint of a finite being. My one observation as to what I see as a problem with philosophy is that it seems to question the question of a question of a question in a constant cycle until there's enough evident that you have to make an eventual decision...a decision that in a philosophical worldview tends to never come if you dont leave it. Questioning and agnosticism are fine for a time, I've even been in places where Id found myself again questioning God and that is what ended up refining my faith...questioning life and studying philosophy and other religions is how I found Christ eventually, and I had to do that as a kid who grew up in church, much like philosophical misfit...but at some point one has to conclude one way or the other and accept something as truth or otherwise you just find another angle to approach it to find flaw in the original outcome. I understand the value of critically thinking and questioning social norms, a lot of that is why i'm at where I am today. I had to re-evaluate my own biases that came from being raised in a church that hurt my family greatly, including a deacon sexually abusing my younger sister (which is when we left) and rejecting another younger sister who would eventually die of an overdose. But later in life when I realized that there is complete separation between "church" and who God really was, which was not the one who causes that type of pain but instead the one who heals it, man hurts others out of the darkness of our deceitful hearts

[@lp712]

If he knows what you’re going to do then your fate is known by him. Your fate is decided already. He didn’t choose it but it doesn’t matter whether he chose it or not if your fate is already known by him. Which means there’s no free will. If he knows a train I’m trying to catch is going to be 15 min late then that train HAS to be 15 min late...

[@ajburgess7242]

I actually went to school for my bachelors in divinity (double major in Biblical studies/theology). One of the first things we learned and were tested on is the attributes of God. The main AND lesser attributes. He wants people who are free to choose him but knows the inevitable outcome one way or the other without interference. It doesn't make God cruel for knowing what you were free to choose and you make the wrong decision. We also have no right to keep God inside of a mortal mind's box on what it means to be a transcendent creator or the morality of one who is immortal's choices, because we cant understand or decide that from the standpoint of a finite being. My one observation as to what I see as a problem with philosophy is that it seems to question the question of a question of a question in a constant cycle until there's enough evident that you have to make an eventual decision...a decision that in a philosophical worldview tends to never come if you dont leave it. Questioning and agnosticism are fine for a time, I've even been in places where Id found myself again questioning God and that is what ended up refining my faith...questioning life and studying philosophy and other religions is how I found Christ eventually, and I had to do that as a kid who grew up in church, much like you...but at some point one has to conclude one way or the other and accept something as truth or otherwise you just find another angle to approach it to find flaw in the original outcome. I understand the value of critically thinking and questioning social norms, a lot of that is why i'm at where I am today. I had to re-evaluate my own biases that came from being raised in a church that hurt my family greatly, including a deacon sexually abusing my younger sister (which is when we left) and rejecting another younger sister who would eventually die of an overdose. But later in life when I realized that there is complete separation between "church" and who God really was, which was not the one who causes that type of pain but instead the one who heals it, man hurts others out of the darkness of our deceitful hearts

[@gospeljoy5713]

God had infinite understanding so he not only knows what we do he understands how and why. Yes we have free will. God will not force us. He is acquainted with all our ways he understands our thought afar off. He knows when we get up sit down or lie down. There is none like the God of the bible. Three persons one God.

[@masonlester9121]

Let’s answer it. I’ve gathered just some of my research through personal study for you here. So…Is free will genuine or just an illusion? Compare God’s use of foreordination with the way he uses his power. As the Almighty, God has absolute power. (Psalm 91:1;Isaiah 40:26, 28) But does he use his power in an uncontrolled manner? No. For instance, he held back from acting against Babylon, an enemy of ancient Israel, until the time was right. “I kept exercising self-control,” God said. (Isaiah 42:14) The same principle applies to his use of foreknowledge and foreordination. Jehovah exercises self-control in order to respect the free will that he gave us. Jehovah chose not to foresee what Adam-and Eve-would do, even though He has the ability to know everything in advance. It is therefore a question, not of whether Jehovah can foresee the future, but of whether he chooses to do so. Furthermore, we can reason that Jehovah, being a God of love, would not knowingly and cruelly predetermine that rebellion-with all its sad consequences-should take place. (Matthew 7:11; 1 John 4:8) Thus, as far as Jehovah’s exercise of foreknowledge is concerned, it is selective. After all if God predetermines everything, including every nasty accident and vile deed that has ever happened, could we not rightly blame him for all the misery and suffering in the world? Thus, upon closer inspection, the teaching of predestination does not honor God, but casts a pall over him. It paints him as cruel, unjust, and unloving-the very opposite of what the Bible says about him.-Deuteronomy 32:4. SO, Does Jehovah’s selective exercise of his foreknowledge mean that he is somehow lacking, imperfect? NO, God’s control of his powers does not limit him or render him imperfect. In fact, it magnifies his greatness, and it endears him to us, for it shows that his sovereignty truly is exercised not only with omniscience and power but also with love and respect for the free will of his intelligent creation. Moses described Jehovah as “the Rock,” adding: “Perfect is his activity.” He was not to blame for the consequences of human sin. The disastrous effects felt by all of us today stem from that unrighteous act of disobedience. The apostle Paul clearly reasoned that “through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned.”

[@theop1478]

What I've learnt from a church I used to attend was that it was God's plan for Adam and Eve to partake of the fruit...and it makes sense cause without that,they wouldn't have had the ability to act for themselves...they wouldn't have known about each other's sex, meaning they wouldn't have been able to know how to perform intercourse and reproduce...they were as little children before the fall...and it was God's plan for the rest of the humans to come after them, meaning after they've eaten the fruit and acquired the knowledge of good and evil. So you're saying God chose not to forsee the future of whether Adam and Eve will disobey him??.. meaning he didn't know that the serpent will even come,or if he did know that, he didn't know that they disobey Him...if so what do you think God expected of Adam and Eve?? That they'll obey Him?and not partake of the fruit...for Adam and Eve to live in the state of innocence forever?... Apart from the fact that that means the rest of the humans were not considered...it kinda defeats the purpose of bringing Adam and Eve on Earth...so in conclusion,I think the gospel implies it is all God's plan,and he knew it all and it went as planned and God doesn't make mistakes, probably because He knows everything...second conclusion,I think we really don't have a choice,but the illusion of some free will...ofc to us it's free will...kinda like if we think the world is real or unreal,we can never know for sure only the one who is outside of our world can know that....

[@alzarian3702]

I've been wondering about that ever since I was young.

[@KeytarKris]

You had me with the “man bun”, but honestly I’m going thru my own Deconstruction/Deconversion episode myself and your words speak so much truth. I too am a Evangelical Church survivor. Health, hugs, and happiness to you and yours dude🤟

[@KeytarKris]

@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC are you saying I shouldn’t sport a man bun?🤔

[@marian6542]

Great video! I have thought about this before, but couldn't figure it out. I sent it to my brother, so it will probably become the new conversation in our household as well lol Thank you! Favorite video yet :)

[@ThePhilosophicalMisfit]

Great! Glad I could be the one to spark some great conversation! And thanks so much!

[@andrewsmith3014]

Why is knowing what someone will choose cancel out that persons free will?

[@marian6542]

Nate! I’d like to send you something I think you’d be really interested in! Is there any way I can get in touch with you? I don’t have Instagram anymore and that was the last time I talked to you.

[@richardu698]

It boggles my mind how people try to justify the Bible and god. It would not work for an all knowing being to create anything without knowing the outcome. This would mean god purposely makes be to burn for an eternity. If he does this he is the biggest monster ever. But he didn’t because he’s not real!!!

[@naturalisted1714]

Ephesians 1:11 says God predestines ALL things according to His will.

[@gracearmor]

that's not at all, what it says!

[@charz_adventures]

Do you find that questioning these ideas within christianity can be confusing? I always find myself within the core value of the past idealogy and thinking, "how was I able to live my life thinking this way?" I saw "morality" but didnt see life to fullest.

[@ksenians]

I wondered this question for a long time and answered myself to it. Just pretend you like tea and hate coffee (although I don't think so). Your parents know that if someone offers you tea or coffee, you will choose tea because you don't like coffee. The trick is that God also knows what you will choose, but this does not mean that you have no choiceonly. God is omniscient (but your parents are not), so He knows 100% what you will choose. But, as for me, the point is that His thoughts are not our thoughts. His thinking is limitless, so if you put Him in a diagram, you will be confused. He doesn't think according to the scheme as we do. His mind is unlimited. I also think that God is just ABOVE it all. I mean, when you choose between tea and coffee, your parents know what you will choose, but they don't participate in your choice. This is free will. BUT He also sees all the possibilities that can be, as you said; He knows what would happen if you chose something else (just as your parents know that you will feel bad if you choose coffee), but He also knows what you choose. Why does the person choose hell and God knows it, but he created this person? Because of free will. But! We should remember, that God did not create people for them to die. God created man immortal and gave him free will, and the rest is the consequences of man's choice. So I do not agree that God doesn't know the final choice of man. Why? 1. God has no time. He sees your end as he sees you now. 2. David in the Psalms says that he (David) saw the end of them and after that he understood why God allowed certain things in his life. What does it mean? The fact is that God saw the end of these people and there are places in the Bible where it is directly said that God knows the end of people and even more. 3. If God does not know your end, then He turns out to be not omniscient. But I am sure that despite the fact that He knows that a person will go to hell, He still does everything to save him. And whether he chooses Jesus is his choice. This is God's love. We should die and have no chance to be saved, but God gave us this "branch". He died for us and will fight for us to the end. This is the love of God. But remember, God did not create man to die. No. Death is a person's choice. You say: "why did God create a person if He knew that this person would go to hell? And if God loved this person, then he would not have created him to suffer". Okay. But what about free will then? It turns out that in this case, God decides everything for a person and does not give him any chance. This is the setuation, then I know, but can't explain 😬😆. I hope, you understand me. By the way, your point is very interesting)

[@SurvivorLegend68]

God knowing what is going to happen to us before it does, does not take our free will away. We still have the choice to choose him. I want to give you an explanation, so lets say your a big nfl football fan, and you like to watch all the games. but all day sunday, you are traveling, so you are unable to watch the games but you plan on watching the game later. So your friend on Sunday night texts you all the scores and now you know the outcome of the games. However you decide that you want to go watch the games anyways, and you know the outcomes of the games while watching the game. Does you knowing that affect anything that happens in the game. I feel like that is exactly how God is, he knows whats gonna happen to us, but him knowing that does not affect our free will.

[@Lushaholic]

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[@ThePhilosophicalMisfit]

I see your point but my one objection to this is that in this scenario, you are still saying that God DOES NOT KNOW what happens in the middle of the game, which still brings me to my point that if he knows the end, despite whether he knows what will happen in the middle, or in "the game", why create some of us knowing that we would choose to rebel against him? or "loose" the game? he's basically damning us to hell just by creating us.

[@wattsobx]

this would mean god doesn’t know....as someone else I.e your friend in this example outside of god knew then told god. If

[@HiDollaHoney]

I say it the same as you. I always tell people He is All Knowing because he knows all the paths and choices and what happens depending on what you choose. But even if he does know what you are more likely to choose, he still gave you the choices and the final choice is up to you

[@jdrush92yo]

Then he wouldn’t be all knowing. He knows that choice you’re making already

[@komaichan99]

@@jdrush92yo 2 Remember how the Lord your God led you all the way in the wilderness these forty years, to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart, Deuteronomy 8 2

[@josephpham89]

Unfortunately my supreme lord Shiva told me that story is a lie.

[@michaelcabra9054]

God is all knowing, there was a beginning and there is a end. What people fail to realize is that free will has 2 categories one side is sin which is selfishness that pulls us away from God and misleads others, the 2nd being faith in God's will which is that all mankind be saved, and come to knowledge of the truth. Which is we cannot do it, it is utterly impossible for us. This is why the Gospel of Christ is so incomprehensibly a loving act by God through the death of Christ. We don't control anything. So the choice is be deceived and controlled by the world ie Satan, or faith in Christ to enjoy freedom. I love people I love God I love Christ and I can show it and look forward to heaven without being hendered by the world, will we suffer? Yes the world hates us, but Christ endured and did the Will of God so why can't we suffer to imitate the only possible way for salvation that shows love with disregard for self well being to open the eyes of the ones who are deceived so that they to might receive Christ.

[@gospeljoy5713]

Free will is more something we think. The freedom to our dispositions. We have freedom of choices but like a parent knows that one kid likes hamburgers another pizza another salads same is with God.life goes it's own way and God knows and understands that way.

[@Balalaikaduo]

God is all knowing He knows every single possible path you will take and he knows every path you will not take. He knows every single thing about you. He knows how much hair you have on you head, and he created you. The freewill is not terminated by his knowledge, he knows every aspect of your life, from inside and out. He knows your thoughts and he knows every prediction you will make. A way I could try to explain it in our perspective is, let's say God does not know the outcome of that you which time line you will pick. You have to remember the bible stated God is all knowing, he knows every aspect of your personality, by process of elimination he can come to a conclusion of which outcome you will choose before you even chose it. In our minds it may look like he is guessing but in his it's a definite answer. Back to the freewill, there is still freewill because God loves us so much he gaves a freewill to choose whether to follow him or to rebel against, him being all knowledge does not effect the outcome of our freewill.

[@nasheofficial]

Ahhh pick a side

[@taffyattison9330]

Then hears my question why the serpent? didn't God make all the Creature and saw that it was Good. So if God made every Creature how could the Serpent be in the Garden to test the Woman ( and God saw that it was Good) so then why make an evil serpent if God saw it was good the Creature's which He made them. chapters 1 throw 3 these chapters didn't say God made evil it said and that God saw that it was Good . see this is a mixed up message in it to me? Please explain.

[@salometipsandtricks2786]

Actually the real question is why are the animals unable to transform into humanoid form and live like humans i.e not have the female cats and dogs be rape and call it life or good. Like that is also another why the garden was not good but only Adam and Eve were connected to God but not the animals because they didn't eat the fruit so why are they rapists and killers. Do you see the problem? The animals are as they were in the garden because they didn't eat the fruit of knowledge so how are they fallen when they didn't eat the fruit? In other words this world is not much difference from the pre fallen timeline because the animals or angels never eat the fruit yet they are fallen so why do we act like eating the fruit cause the fallen reality we live in when it was going to happen anyways? The animals were going to be rapists and killers and the fallen angels were stay going to be fallen angels. So no difference.

[@spartagojira2]

Then, can you explain to me why God knew that Peter will deny Him three times. Because, I need to understand about this. But, I agree that God can see possibilities because Jesus once said that if Sodom and Gomorrah repented, then the city would still exist.

[@RKenshinT]

I have asked this question to multiple Christians and I have either gotten an answer that he knows every option that we are encountered with, he knows what every decision that we choose will lead to in the end and that we have the "free will" to choose...or I get some Christians who change the topic or say that they don't know

[@elizaian2448]

He is all knowing but when he gave us the free will… his all knowing mind took a step back so we can have a free wil.

[@Fiawordweaver]

I have many questions, one biggy, why pray for example, dear God please provide my husband with a kidney. He’s on dialysis 3 years from a mutated gene that eventually destroyed his kidneys, FSGS FOCAL SEGMENTAL GLOMERULOSCLEROSIS. Then the boatload of family members and friends Pray for that kidney to come. Why do I use this example for the all knowing God who is aware of all folks needing organ transplants and prayer ain’t producing this answer to the multitude of prayers requests. Segue to if it is Gods will.... in the prayer that is taught as the prayer of prayers, our father who art in heaven hallow be thine name your kingdom come YOUR WILL BE DONE on earth as it is in.......amen. What is the point in asking in prayer if the transplants are conditional upon the all knowing God’s will? My husband is 70 years young. I was born into the church. I don’t believe God is all knowing and all merciful. I have experienced too much trauma personally in my lifetime and was born into trauma and abuse, and choose not to glorify a God who is all knowing that supposedly talks to other people and has poured blessings upon other people while allowing atrocities and genocides to befall upon other good people. This is a new revelation for me that has grown out of this pandemic fiasco. Prior to the pandemic I had renewed my life to Christ, or rather to his Hebrew name, Yeshua, as a messianic follower of Yeshua. I no longer deem these Bible figures as worthy of worship or adulation. My 2 cents. I also believe everyone has the freedom to choose what to believe and harbor no judgment to followers of Christianity. I also don’t have an agenda to turn anyone away from their belief system, whatever it is. It’s my personal revelation.

[@leecollins3410]

I appreciate your opening - do you have any videos talking about what it’s like having conversations and disagreements with your parents ?

[@clevernamehere]

Rise n grind... Haha... My actual favorite thing... Besides rolling over and going back to sleep... Ok I shall finish watching now ;)

[@theysayhiraeth1152]

I'm in the same boat with you about being agnostic and feeling unsure about where you are. But I do have to say that instead of thinking of God as all knowing, perhaps it's helpful to think of God more as an experience, or everything around us, because a sentient being based on logic runs into this problem of knowing vs not and control vs free will. But God as an entire experience, the matter through which we swim, that which we are part of, then it simultaneously IS all of the possibilities that could occur and the one that eventually will. God maybe is all points of time simultaneously so thinking about more in the context of the present or without time may help? Just because, then your destiny isn't constrained as much. It's already happened, and it also hasn't happened. And if you want to involve quantum physics, you could also postulate that every possible branch on the tree of outcomes actually has happened and is real. Multiple universes where each branching decision led to another timeline where you ended at another place. And maybe they all are real and all happened and we just aren't consciously aware of that, but God is. Maybe free will is that, the fact that Evey possibly choice and outcome becomes real somewhere some way, and our existence is about navigating and exploring all those different branches

[@shanejohns7901]

"All Knowing" is impossible from the get-go. Can this 'All Knowing' Being know what it is like to be ignorant about something?

[@OnlyTruthLove]

Knowing ahead of time, is not making the choice for you. Just having information about the future, does not in any way influence your decisions. Forces acting on your free will make it less free, in this case, God does not act as a force on your actions, He simply knows what you will choose.

[@krzyszwojciech]

Some Christians argue that God's knowledge doesn't cause our choices, even though he knows what we'll choose. Just like a thermometer doesn't cause the temperature, it just 'knows' it. They focus on interaction between God and reality as it is supposedly is in the present moment, but they forget that God had a causal role in their own model, by initially creating the world itself. If he created reality in the version A, I would end up in hell. If he created reality in the version B, I would end up in heaven. As it stands, if he exists, it seems like he created reality A and thus forced 'my' choices and beliefs on me. And if in no reality at all was it possible for me to choose heaven, then why create me? And isn't it a flaw in the design? What makes some minds so different from others? Some Christians claim that God may have created reality in which maximally many people freely came to him. But if that's the case, if my damned existence is necessary for the maximally many other people to come to God, then it seems like a very contrived scenario and I have to question morality of a God that objectifies aware beings as mere tools in his designs. The only way out of this I see is to say God doesn't have _real_ free will either and created what he had to create 'deterministically' - after all, as foreknowing he must already know what he must do and there's no changing anything. The whole thing is just a puppet show, even the puppetmaster just plays his role and thus isn't morally responsible. But that just renders the whole reality as terrible, unjust and fatalistic mess. Either that, or redefine omniscience as maximal knowledge and say some things are not knowable by their nature [like future, human choice, etc]. In which case God can't know the future either. Another question here is whether we have a free will at all, or in what sense. Even if we have souls, are they necessarily free? Isn't there a mechanism behind that will? Isn't there a necessary reason for any given choice?

[@TheREALFrankyDank520]

That’s why he set up messengers every where to preach his word so no matter what time line you pick bro someone will have always preached to you the word of God or you would have heard it somewhere in your life time

[@Tommy-pi6ch]

I had the same question as you and I come up with a theory that beside "all-knowing" He is also omnipotent and He can make Himself do not know a certain outcome, hence the freewill. Its just like when a programmer creates a random number on dice program. However throughout the history He get involved in the world like sending prophets and Christ to save humanity.

[@Tommy-pi6ch]

Try to read from Ezekiel 33:13-20

[@michaelfaber6904]

"All knowing" means knowing that all that can be known. Since foreknowledge and free will are incompatible (as you showed), that doesn't include foreknowledge of free will choices.

[@Bl4ck0utr3b0rN]

I always thought about that and how it is contradicted. There is also no heaven or hell. Tha t other thing I think is since life is suppossed to be sacred for god then why has he killed many people because they didnt worship him and if we had free will then why did he terminated them for choosing who to worship?

[@billkeon880]

God is supposedly all knowing but he also has a plan for you. His plan is for you to be a dancer, but if you had free will and hated dancing, that sounds like a hell on earth, being forced to dance. It’s a clear case of predestination with robots doing god’s work making him chuckle in delight at where we end up. But why would that please him, because what else could happen...nothing. It’s like a person winding up a robot to walk two feet from point a to point b and then that makes us so happy. The hell question you bring up is even more poignant

[@bradykelly9696]

I’ve had the same heated conversations with my parents and both believe what your mom believes and I had the same argument as you it’s a very interesting topic thx for the vid brother

[@mRwoRds2148]

Look, don't we all have our own opinions? Don't we choose to do whatever we want/can? We complain/question these things but how does that change who God is? You decided to make this video and we decided to watch it, it doesn't change my views and that's the beauty it, you make a good point and yes it gets people thinking, but again, we are free and God gave us that. Blessings 👏

[@mayzen8850]

5:32 so that we can see with our own eyes our mistakes

[@JordanCantFight]

If God can see multiple timelines then he would still know where we will end up at the end because its gonna be his will being done reguardless. No decisions that we make can affect His will

[@AaronIsaiah75]

These are not mutually exclusive. God can be all knowing and allow free will. He loves humanity enough to pursue us in our rebellion. Just because God has all knowledge doesn't mean he can't love the person

[@Vrxkz]

If God knows exactly what will happen in our life, why would he allow his people to go through so much suffering? Because ultimately one person's suffering, while it could be caused by one's own hand, it could also be caused by someone or something else, i.e. a broken heart or illness such as a stoke

[@OnlyTruthLove]

The secret in not being disappointed by people, parents, pastors, theologians, scholars, is to not have too high hopes. They are all people and are fallible. Figure things out on your own, and read into many sources. There are answers. Don't assume your parents or pastor will have the right ones.

[@damanidavis9803]

I think the ultimate conclusion of all this, is that you will drive yourself crazy trying to make sense of a personal, theistic "God." The concept of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent "personal" God is self-contradictory and just can't be a reality. Earlier in my life, I believed very deeply in the personal type of God that is presented within Christianity and the Bible. I truly believed that Christianity was the ultimate, universal TRUTH. But life and the mind/brain that the universe has given me ultimately led me to the conclusion that there just cannot be personal "God" as presented in Christianity and the other Abrahamic religions. Now approaching middle-age, I have developed my own personal form of spirituality, but it is a non-theistic spirituality more akin to some of the concepts articulated in Buddhism and Taoism. But I'm not a believer or adherent of any particular religion or system. I just keep an open mind and study all schools of thought (along with science), but I walk my own path without claiming anything.

[@simongray3070]

You're an intriguing person with a deep mind. You're obviously smart. I know your story through watching your videos. Now I normally do not ever comment on things online, I prefer being face to face with someone. I'm commenting now because I can prove unequivocally that what you are saying is incorrect. Although you do not believe in God anymore at one time in your life you did, or you thought you did. But you have read the bible and so you have knowledge of it. I pray that Christ reveals Himself to you because your philosophical reasonings is simply an attempt to reassure yourself that denying Him was the right choice. In order for it to be the right choice that means you have to be convinced that God doesn't exist. You are doubting your doubts on a powerfully subconscious level it's clear to see. Heavenly Father you love this young man. Spirit You Know the hearts of all men, including this gentleman. Jesus Your sacrifice and Resurrection is Salvation. My friend God is a mystery and the mysterious things belong to the Lord as Deuteronomy 29:29 says. God has not revealled everything to us about Him. God's Sovereignty and mans free will is a paradox. Both are true. Now in the context of a finite mind like mine and yours and every human being on this planet this is a hard thing to accept. It's contradictory to the carnal mind. God is omniscient, this is an absolute statement of truth that no clever analytical endeavor will ever be able to disprove, no matter how many trees we draw. Predictive prophecy blows this whole tree analogy apart. The bible allows us to go back into the past and test the claims it has made unequivocally. The bible is a verifiable accurate document. Anybody who claims otherwise has not reached it then. It stands the tests of all small mens minds futile attempts of disproving it. None have succeeded and none ever will. So you do not believe in God anymore. That decision holds dire consequences my friend. If you think Christianity left you empty just wait for how confused carnal philosophical ideologies will leave you. I say this in love because it is the truth. As a scholar of the bible I know the accuracy and credibility of that book. It's proven and nobody can deny that if they research the evidence for its authenticity. God said hundreds of years earlier that the Israelites would be in slavery for 430 and then released. God spoke of a gentile king named Cyrus who would serve him 100 years prior. It happened exactly 100 years after that. Psalms alludes to Christs death upon the cross with exact detail of certain things that happened on the cross. The Roman kingdom had not even been established yet when that psalm was written yet it details what Crist will go through. It predicts Christ's exact place of birth hundreds of years before. There are so many more. The study of the bible's authenticity is a deep one. If anybody puts its credibility to the test it always reveals itself to be true. Therefore if God did know where we end up is nonsense. Any person who claims to be otherwise Christian accepting is w the bible as authentic because it is. Philosophical reasoning and pondering fall flat against the bibles authority. These topics are deep and too much to get into detail via a platform like this. Go research you'll see there's literary only one conclusion

[@gospeljoy5713]

Do companies and the government know all about you? Yes in many cases. You can thwart them but they know your habits. Do you have free will there? Free will means you have a myriad of options but also means someone might know the options you take.

[@gsgidney]

4:10 you're presupposing quite a bit. First of all, God’s foreknowledge has no relation to "cause". God doesn’t cause your choices, he just knows your choices. You still caused the choice. Youre also missing the "time" factor. When you exist "outside" of time, you see the past, present and future all at the same time. You made the choice in eternity past, time was created to experience that choice, and God facilitated that choice just for you.

[@pccj316]

C.S Lewis "the problem of pain" is the best book to read on this.

[@ThePhilosophicalMisfit]

KevlaR Hip Hop and Apologetics. I own that book and I have read it twice I believe. Could you point me to where in that book he talked about this specifically? I have no recollection of where he mentions this but maybe I missed it.

[@pccj316]

@@ThePhilosophicalMisfit Sorry if they grammarye is messed up I'm driving and this is auto speak. Um I'll try to find the exact parts that you are discussed that correlate with it. And also a really really good book by CS Lewis that turn touches perfectly on what you're talking about is the great divorce and I promise you you will enjoy that book if you read it

[@ThePhilosophicalMisfit]

@@pccj316 I've read all of C. S. Lewis' classics. I LOVED the great divorce. I think if heaven and hell exist, thats how it all actually works. He meant to write fiction, but the more I study hell and deconstruct christianity, the more I see it as a non-fictional story.

[@pccj316]

@@ThePhilosophicalMisfit ive read alot of his books and they all kind of flow together for me. I was way of lol the book i meant was the case for Christianity. Where he discusses his journey out of atheism. This quote was what stuck ouf to me because Calvinists quote lewis agnauseam, as if he was a Calvinist. But he was actually firmly against it. Quote from the case for christianity: God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong, but I can't. If a thing is free to be good it's also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata -of creatures that worked like machines- would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they've got to be free. Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently, He thought it worth the risk. (...) If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will -that is, for making a real world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings- then we may take it it is worth paying. C.S. Lewis, The Case for Christianity ree will. That means creatures which can go wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong, but I can't. If a thing is free to be good it's also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata -of creatures that worked like machines- would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they've got to be free. Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently, He thought it worth the risk. (...) If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will -that is, for making a real world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings- then we may take it it is worth paying. C.S. Lewis, The Case for Christianity

[@gf-nw6no]

oh yeah i had this thought exercise too with my christian frens, we talked about predestination in Judas's scenario and comparing them with how cu culaihn of Irish legend, but basically the question is "is it really 'Fate' that happened to them? or it's something else entirely", fate itself feels like a backward logic where the outcome is in front order before the action( i didnt mean backward as derogatory, more like in programming, and it made sense for a being that can time travel) in conclusion, what i feel about predestination is really the same with the myth of cu culaihn, fate isn't something bound to a "name" but to specific actions, cu culaihn heard about a prophecy that a great hero will rise when "X" happens, but instead of waiting for "X" to happen naturally, he intentionally did "X" to make that prophecy came true, the prophecy also said that this hero will die young and tragic, culaihn knew that but still did what he did, that's where the free will part comes in

[@leng6280]

What if ... He knew what COULD happen. Rather than what's GOING to happen. So, he created us KNOWING that we would be with Him in Heaven. But our freewill de-rails us from our initial purpose. Bible says that hell was created for Satan, and that he wished that ALL of us would be saved. So throughout our lives God places us in situations or places people in our lives to draw us to Him. But we ourselves draw away. So I think our free will brings us to a particular road yea, and God knows where we're headed and is constantly seeking ways to lead us to His path. Knowing our point, way, and place of death He'll continue trying to lead us to Him. ... Idk if that makes sense. Lol. But yea. I'd draw the tree with a single straight branch in the middle connected to the trunk. And all the other millions of branches are connected at different points of that 1 center branch. Symbolizing that no matter what path we take there are always paths connecting us to the 1 branch being Jesus Christ.

[@lilg8915]

read proverbs 20,24 it debunks what your saying

[@devinspears3004]

No lol

[@OnlyTruthLove]

God creating mankind was no "risk"... Gods plan of redemption was already in place before he even created the universe. He knew exactly what would happen, and did what is necessary to bring forth the maximum possible good. That maximum possible good is only possible with free will.

[@CallumMcPherson]

I believe that linear time is an illusion, and that there are infinite parallel universes where every possible outcome occurs. God is aware of every outcome, and they are all equally "real" because they are happening right now. Your soul travels along every path simultaneously, but the illusion of linear time makes it seem as if you are only traveling along one path. You still have free will because you can choose which path you want to experience in your current version of reality.

[@Lort877]

Maybe dreaming is a glimps into those other realities?

[@nicholerogers8688]

I'd like to show you one important point that many have misunderstood which relates to Genesis 6. The sons of God mentioned are in fact not angels but simply humans who did not believe in the One TRUE God. The proof scripture is.... Hebrews 1:5 “For unto WHICH of the ANGELS said HE at ANY TIME, Thou art my SON, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to HIM a FATHER, and HE shall be to me a SON?” This proves angels were never considered sons, only mankind. God is all knowing based upon HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE and he knows who belongs to him before we are created. You ask why a God of PURE LOVE would create SAVED and unsaved people but that is precisely the definition of FREEWILL. Love is not forced, it is a choice and because he KNOWS you belong to him in the end, HE pursues you with HIS LOVE and there is nothing HE will not do to prove HIS LOVE for you. That is exactly why JESUS came to secure our SALVATION in HIS works alone. ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED is The TRUE GOSPEL of ETERNAL SALVATION. Scripture tells us that even when our FAITH fails, HE REMAINS FAITHFUL. So if you have ever RECEIVED the free GIFT of ETERNAL SALVATION, you are HIS child, no matter how far off course you think you are currently. It's not your FAITH that saves you, it's HIS FAITHFULNESS to you and HE will never leave you or forsake you. This world and religion itself is filled with many lies and many many mischaracterizations of God but once you have been born again in the Spirit by RECEIVING the free GIFT of SALVATION, you can never be spirtually unborn, nor cast away from HIM. Why? Because when RECEIVE THE FREE GIFT OF JESUS, YOU ARE SEALED UNTIL THE DAY OF REDEMPTION and NO ONE, including yourself, can pluck you out of HIS HAND. There are so many scriptures throughout HIS word that proves ETERNAL SECURITY which Glorifies God, not us. It's the purest self- sacrificing love there is. We as humans have a hard time receiving that kind of love because we were once alienated from God because of sin. But Jesus destroyed sin and did away with the separation by HIS own BLOOD and sacrifice for us. BE RECONCILED TO GOD, THROUGH JESUS, IT IS FINISHED! I'm a deep thinker also and I ask The Lord directly many of these questions similar to yours and HE has been completely FAITHFUL in showing me the TRUTH in HIS written word. I learned many things from others but I always compare those things to God's word and go to him in prayer before believing anything. And each time HE reveals more of HIMSELF to me and HE truly is the Purest LOVE I have ever known. So many fears begin to melt away the more you get to know HIM, and this life truly becomes joyous and peaceful because you know The God of all creation is your FATHER who loves you more than you can even comprehend. I pray you will be showered in HIS LOVE and strengthened in your FAITH throughout this journey you are on. In order for us to grow spiritually, is precisely to question EVERYTHING and God HIMSELF completely encourages it, so you will TRULY KNOW HIM without any doubt left in your mind. We are promised by HIM that we will KNOW HIM just as we are KNOWN, FACE TO FACE. I, so look forward to that day but I also know the beauty is also in the journey itself. Much Love and Many Blessings to you, as you continue on your journey also. 💖

[@ThePhilosophicalMisfit]

That verse in Hebrews is talking about Jesus, not the sons (plural) of God. It's telling us how angels differ from Jesus, not how angels differ from humans. Also in genesis 6 there is a distinction between angels and men in that verse, and scholars have argued for a long time whether it means angles or men. Where there is VERY good evidence that in Genesis 6 the writer meant angels, its still unclear. As for the rest of your comment, Im a bit confused. Are you Calvinist? Universalist? Do you believe in hell or that people go to hell? I sense a mixture of a baptist background with a lean towards progressive Christianity 😂. Maybe Im wrong but your views are very interesting.

[@nicholerogers8688]

@@ThePhilosophicalMisfit I completely disagree on Genesis 6, verse 1 tells us that GOD at sundry times spoke through HIS PROPHETS and NOW through his Son but still points out that HE, NEVER AT ANYTIME, has EVER called angels, sons. I take God's word for what it says and anytime simply means anytime. See religions and denominations which label themselves, hold to certain so called truths that only keep people SEPARATED and not able to truly and humbly listen and reason with each other. I despise labels and don't define myself as anything other than a saved child of God. I didn't learn God's word from brick and mortar churches nor do I follow any man-made religion. I simply picked up the Bible 4 years ago and started reading it. Of course at first, I sought out teachers and preachers online because I knew nothing, as I didn't grow up in a religious household. I was sent to Sunday school, as a child but that was just my Mom's way of getting us out of the house for a few hours in the morning because she was hungover from the night before. My childhood and most of my adult life was filled with chaos, abuse, endless partying, and deep traumas. But, I first heard the true Gospel of Jesus' death, burial, and ressurection at 15 years old and I truly believed he died for all my sins and I knew where I was going when I died. But that that SEED was only planted in my heart and it was watered somewhat for about a year by me going to some youth groups and Christian rock concerts...lol. But after about 1 a year or so I went right back to my old ways of life but still believing I was SAVED. And I spent many years trying to find myself or my purpose in life (so called spirituality) through all kinds of different ways. I know now these were all, so called new age practices (which is really not new) and I thought I was searching for God but really HE had already found me as a child and HE never left me. Long story short, God's written word is true and Jesus is THE WORD made flesh, HE has proven HIMSELF to me through it, along with an understanding of it that HE only could have accomplished in me, through HIS Holy Spirit which is within me, because I simply RECEIVED, BELIEVED, and TRUST in Jesus FINISHED WORKS for me. I was never a good reader, I hated school, I didn't know how to study, and my reading comprehension skills were horrible. But now I can truly say that God performed a miracle when I read HIS word because I actually understood what I was reading and I naturally recall scriptures through random conversations for a purpose. But I've never memorized scriptures and I've only read through The Bible from Genesis to Revelation once. Of course I still read daily or study with others but it is truly a desire God have given me that doesn't go away, nor is it something I force upon myself, I just truly love HIS written word. That one thing in itself is absolutely amazing to me because it was a desire given to me, not of myself and also the skills to be able to understand what I read, simply. I don't claim to understand it all because it's endless learning and new beautiful treasures to be found each time I read it. But it never leads me away from the focus of Jesus, the whole book is about HIM and God's LOVE for us, as HIS beloved children. These 4 years have certainly been a roller coaster because I've learned so much so quickly because I was so spiritually starved. But The Lord is FAITHFUL and I now REST in The simplicity that is in Christ, alone. I truly love all people and I share the good news of the Gospel with whoever will listen. I just want people to know how much God loves them, so if you want to label that, you can try but I don't think I fit any. 😁 Jesus said we must come to him as little children and HE will teach us through HIS SPIRIT and lead us into all TRUTH. So that's what I do, I learn from HIM. Call me crazy if you'd like, it's nothing new, but do know this, God knows ALL who belong to HIM and HE will pursue you with HIS unexplainable LOVE, and NOT by a set of rules or religious practices. HIS WILL is that ALL will come to the knowledge of the TRUTH, so who am I to doubt that HE can actually accomplish HIS WILL? HIS LONGSUFFERING IS SALVATION and HIS MERCY is EVERLASTING. GOD IS LOVE and HIS WORD is TRUTH. 💝

[@nicholerogers8688]

@@ThePhilosophicalMisfit May I ask you a question? And I mean this is the most loving and humble way. I see that you grew up in a Christian home, and now say you no longer believe in God. So when you thought you believed in God what was it that you believed? What did you believe is required for salvation?

[@Balalaikaduo]

I think this relates to the creation of the devil. If God knew the devil would rebel against him then why would he create him?

[@chrismackness]

If you watch a recording of a football game after it’s over, and you know what the final score of the game was, do you impose on the free will of the players because you know the outcome? You’re simply viewing from outside of the time that the decisions were made in.

[@solivagant9112]

I think the difference is that he knows it even before the game is played

[@josiahfreedman5516]

How can it simultaneously be the case that God is omniscient and we have free will? Easy! The universe is deterministic and we have free will in the compatibilist sense.

[@philippedylannnguimbous6431]

The difference between angels and human was their design and purpose. Angels are just angels spiritual beings in a spiritual works worshipping God, warriors, messengers, and blah blah etc... But human being both physical and spiritual beings made to live in the physical world, multiply, love each and blah blah you get the point

[@delanamann8915]

In the book “The Shack” they hypothesize that God “limits” Himself towards us. Similarly like a loving parent holds back while playing a game with a young child to allow the child the possibility of winning....not lying or patronizing...just being with that child on his own level. I also think that even if God knows our final end He still answers prayers and guides us right up till the end because He loves us....love deeper than we can comprehend. In my very human ability to parent my 7 children I think that I would still love them, be there for them, help them, even if I knew that they would betray me in the end. If I’m capable of that love toward my children how much more is an incomprehensible God capable of.

[@philippedylannnguimbous6431]

To answer your first question if e He didn't allow us to come to life in the first place wouldn't that go against: 1. Our free will!?! Choosing to procreate and all that 2. Going against is nature. If God is Truly good and truly just then allowing us to have life which is probably the greatest gift of all will comfort that but taking it away will go against and would be neither good or just or top of taking away our free will

[@vegeta2800]

Dude, how can you conclude that this god knows all possibilities but cannot know which path you take? How can this god be all knowing? How did you even determine that this god is a he? This is the problem, the concept of a god is extremely unlikely. There are too many contradictions to this gods character.

[@KurtWillems]

Definitely read Greg Boyd’s “God of the Possible”

[@philippedylannnguimbous6431]

Even if He know. It's only natural for a creator to loves it's creation. And I don't believe its will be more loving if he didn't know. Wouldn't you say it's even more loving for a creator loving his creation but having his creation walk away from him but still wanting his creation to come back to him?

[@nathanfigueroa7160]

Preface: just saying cuff of the cuff please don't think i'm a professional. I'm basically just ranting my thoughts to whoever sees it. So angels were given free will before humans and had it take due to their actions. I do recall the Bible stating that man is more admired than angels and that we were made in the image of God while angles are basically creations gumbo at times. Also what if you combined both theories of yours and your mom's to say that God sees all of the possibilities, but still knows where every person is going to choose. There is also the fact that God can use someone that has chosen Hell to save someone who would've also chosen Hell unless intervened by the first person. And if you think of the parent-child analogy for God and man, a parent would still try everything to persuade their kids from a bad decision even if it's hopeless because that is what good parents do. P.S. Ik this is a bit late but i still hope to hear some banter even if it's a bit hopeless lol.

[@gabrielteo3636]

The problem you have now with God not knowing the future and people having free will is asking why God didn't make people more like God with the desire to do good like God? We would have just as much free will as God and most likely no one would go to hell using their God-like free will. By God putting the desire to sin in humans, God pretty much guaranteed lots of people would suffer in hell forever.

[@clevernamehere]

I think yes is the answer. Why couldn't God know all the options and the one we'd choose? Just bc God knows all the options and knows the one well choose doesn't mean much to me. To me it's what was the motivation for creation. And if you think god had an objective and doesn't just do bc doing is possible then that's where the issue comes in. Assuming there was any subjective reason why God created. I think it was more like Creating bc creating is possible. And loving simply love is a thing

[@kimberlywhite8399]

He knows ALL possibilities and that's why He gives us signs before hand to help us make the decision that we want and when we want change in our lives He helps us in different ways to move forward.

[@nvy9195]

That’s doesn’t answer the question at all though. If he only knows the possibilities, then He isn’t all knowing. But if He is all knowing, than logically free will doesn’t exist.

[@ccr7712]

If you don’t choose the thoughts that happen in your head, then you can’t have free will

[@OnlyTruthLove]

I wouldn't be quick to make assumptions about angels either. I don't think Satan was ever classified in the bible as an angel. Off the top of my head, I can't remember that it was stated that the angels had free will. They went with satan, but it does not say they chose to do so. The angels were a sort of serving spirits. It might be that they just stayed with the one they were assigned to serve.

[@jamiet6983]

Excellent Discussion! I asked this same question when I started THINKING, rather than just following along. I just want to understand because SOMETHING doesn't make sense.

[@jamiet6983]

I need more like buttons.

[@cosmosradio]

I don't even believe this is abt God as much as its abt you as an individual. It is the will or choices one makes that bring you closer to or further away from. To understand one must understand the battle or the spiritual warfare. Pray for wisdom and an understanding 🙏 for this is the most powerful aspect of one's existence

[@OnlyTruthLove]

1. God knows all possible paths, and the path you will take ahead of time. 2. He creates mankind knowing that some will choose him, and some won't. He allows for both those who choose His way, and those who don't, because they both bring glory to Him, and they both contribute to the maximum good possible. 3. Those who don't choose Him, or his ways, do not burn in hell forever in torment. The idea of an eternal hell of torment is finally being addressed in theology, and is found to be more traditional than biblical. Never ending torment in hell is false. It is not found in the bible, it is not logical, not moral, not necessary, not like Gods character, Not good. 4. Knowing the choice you will make ahead of time, doesn't MAKE you make that choice, you simply have information. You made the choice, He just knows which choice you made/will make. There were no external forces acted upon your free will, that lead you to make that specific choice.

[@kurdi27diloke]

This is what quran says about this Chapter 7 verse. 172. And when Your Lord summoned the descendants of Adam, and made them testify about themselves. “Am I not your Lord?” They said, “Yes, we testify.” Thus you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, “We were unaware of this.” Chapter 2verse. 38. We said, “Go down from it, all of you. Yet whenever guidance comes to you from Me, then whoever follows My guidance-they have nothing to fear, nor shall they grieve. 39. But as for those who disbelieve and reject Our signs-these are the inmates of the Fire-wherein they will remain forever.” Chapter 13. Verse. 20. Those who fulfill the promise to God, and do not violate the agreement. Chapter 33 verse 72. We offered the Trust to the heavens, and the earth, and the mountains; but they refused to bear it, and were apprehensive of it; but the human being accepted it. He was unfair and ignorant.

[@philippedylannnguimbous6431]

The only way God would know where you would only be if you've made the decision in the first place. All that happens is that he's seing the decision you're going to make before you make because he's outside of time but since you're living in time you simply don't know what decision you're going to make until you make it but he does. That does not mean he predestined you to do it and taking that choice away from you buy not allowing you to leave in the first will be the evil act

[@Cyprus_Is_Greek]

God forknowledge does not mean that he interferes with your free will. You are free to chose your path.

[@thejessicadiaries]

That would mean it’s not free will, it was predestination and no matter what path you chose, you would have chosen it anyway.

[@gregdrake1691]

Yes God is all knowing and yes we have free will in this dispensation of time but God will not force His will on you , we have to seek His will first and everything will be added unto you, God does not want robots , God wants everyone to choose Him but most wants to stay in there sin

[@georgemay8170]

I believe God knows "all." I also believe that I do not know "all." What I believe needs to be observed is the fact that we are "limited in our understanding of God who is eternal and unlimited in His understanding.

[@jorexleaf8539]

God is sovereign in having 4 knowledge or knowledge of all the outcomes and yet just because he knows what you're gonna choose does not mean He gets in the way of your free will he allows you to make The Choice once The Choice is made God will have it and use it it and make it for His ultimate purpose which makes Him sovereign and we still have our free will......some things are brain is not big enoughto understand that'swhy it's OK to simply say we're not meant to know everything.....

[@jaylucino4585]

God is all knowing and our free will is to choose to be good or to be evil,,,

[@darklogic6998]

There is no possible way that God could know what you would choose in any given situation if free will exists. Example: Let's say that God is debating on how to create the universe. God knows that if he creates the universe in which you are born in X environment that you would be a Christian. God also knows that if he creates the universe in which you are born in Y environment that you would be an Atheist. Since environments influence our decisions, and God has infallible knowledge, he necessarily predestines us by how he creates the universe. If he decides to make it in a way that I will be born into Y environment, my choice to be an Atheist was destined to happen by God's decision.

[@cvenegas7982]

Angels don’t have free will like we do. As soon as an angel decides to not believe or follow God they loose their grace and get sent to hell (condemned). That is why Satan hates humanity and wants to destroy us because he is jealous of humanities gift of free will by God. Since Satan is condemned to be destroyed he wants to take as many of us with him as he can. We on the other hand can be saved by Jesus if we repent of our sins. The devil can’t and will never repent. He is condemned twice when thrown to hell and in the second coming of Jesus Christ. Hope this helps. Peace and love ❤️

[@komaichan99]

Satan also have free will. If he doesn’t, that is god’s will

[@kurdi27diloke]

And quran also says we r gonna see enough proofs. Chapter 41. 53. We will show them Our proofs on the horizons, and in their very souls, until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient that your Lord is witness over everything?

[@lambof316God]

8:18. Listen from here. I just started following you on instagram. Peydonenns.

[@man-yp1gb]

Probability, chance and circumstance govern your life. Through observations of the natural world, we can see that in our descions and consequences of each. It's like a dice roll and if we are lucky we get snake eyes that are interpreted by the various religious groups as a "miracle". These glitches happen but not often and not every time.

[@legomeego8581]

Yes He can because we only have the illusion of free will. Jesus didn't even have free will. He did only what the Father told him to do and said only what the Father told him to say according to the book of John. God created Judas knowing it would have been better to never have been born and Jesus picked Judas as an apostle knowing he was a devil who would betray him. If he had not picked Judas as a follower, then perhaps he could have escaped his fate. But we all know that couldn't happen for both of them. What's even more astounding is that he was taking direct orders from God the Father. Jesus knew he could not have spared Judas, because his own words the 'prophecy needed to be fulfilled'.

[@TheREALFrankyDank520]

Have you ever heard of David Lynn and Dorre Love bro 🔥

[@legitDTS]

He knows the path for your life but he doesn't make you choose it

[@michelleschmidt7363]

Okay here are my thoughts on this topic: I can lay some sweets in front of a child and leave the room, knowing that the child is gonna eat the sweets. That child still has the free will to choose, even though I know the outcome. Same thing with God!

[@marshallm.7709]

Michelle Schmidt the issue with this is that you ASSUME that the kid will eat the sweets, not know for certain. Maybe the child does not like that particular kind of sweets, or maybe they just don’t like sweets. This is different (at least in my understanding) of how God knows things- He knows them as absolute, instead of an assumption. Keep in mind I’m actually not that smart and my response could be riddled with fallacies and contradictions. Have a great day and I’m glad that your comment gave me the opportunity to think about this!

[@Kevin_turner]

I'm going to guess your dad's next sermon lol. That is a really good question. A hard question.

[@owenhall5742]

If god does not know the out come then god can not have a plan. And there not only the issue of removing the choice but he know how to change that out come. So if god know all the possible out comes he know why you would make the choices you make and god know how to change the outcome. For free will god needs to know even less then where we end up. He would have to not know what we think and why we think it. God could not read minds. I feel like determination explain it much more effectively, no god require.

[@Soteriology101]

Read William Lane Craig on Molinism. You’d find that very interesting I think.

[@ThePhilosophicalMisfit]

I'll have to check it out!

[@patrolman602]

God ordains the ends as well as the means. That’s what you’re missing. Also, God is love, but His love is only found in Christ. Romans 8:39

[@patrolman602]

God knows the future because He decreed it from eternity past. Acts 4:28 “But everything they did was determined beforehand (predestined) according to your (God’s) will.

[@worldpeace1822]

Even if god would know all possibilities only, he would still be „evil“ IMO because he consequently should know that people will end up in his torture cellar just for some reason that made them disbelievers because he introduced free will hence suffering until eternity. It doesn’t compute either way. A more reasonable answer is that god defined through religion is bogus by humans and if any thinking entity created this universe it might neither know of us nor care for us.

[@MrBatranu14]

Too much to think, too many distractions, too many dangers that affect our mind. Who am i? Why? How?..

[@ThePhilosophicalMisfit]

uuuhhh... what? haha

[@TheREALFrankyDank520]

LEARN TO DISCERN THE DIFFERENCES

[@alanrhoda228]

Can God be all-knowing and humans have libertarian or indeterministic free-will at the same time? Sure, if the future is open-ended, then there is no determinate fact of the matter as to precisely how the future is going to go. There is no "complete, true story" of the future because the story is still being written as indeterminacies are progressively resolved. Hence, an all-knowing God would have to know the future as such. In other words, the *content* of God's knowledge would have to sync up with the open-ended nature of reality. God would know the future as determinate insofar as it is determinate, and he would know it as indeterminate insofar as it is indeterminate. As indeterminacies are resolved, the content of God's knowledge would appropriately *change* to stay in sync with the change in reality. Obviously, such a God could not be "outside" of time since he would have a dynamic omniscience. In philosophy of religion circles this view is known as "open theism".