Can I get Revenge Against

Will I strike back or will Winston find form?
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[@Winners-Only]

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[@AdrianColumbus]

Missing the voiceover during the match, like the last video

[@WinstonDu]

Great playing Trey that was fun - rematch in a year?

[@Winners-Only]

absolutely!

[@dundundunnnnnn8717]

YES

[@af02271]

You guys should rematch once a year to document both of your progressions

[@jamesmckinnon9473]

I saw Novak was in town hitting with your group… you gonna get him on the channel?

[@germanslice]

@@Winners-Only If you are going to take on guys like Winston again, then consider this with your coach. We can't use the same swing for every ball on the forehand because not every ball will fit comfortably in the racquet to slot it so when the ball won't slot clean it just pops out of the strings and sails all out of the court with little to no spin. This is why we use the flat finish for the easy balls, and the compact finish for dealing with all the difficult hard balls in the court including the short low dirty balls you have to really run up to, wide difficult balls Or any difficult ball that has you all on the run. or that you have to dig it up out of your shoelaces, Your backhand Slice scoops under the ball and sits up short and weak in the court praabbly because of using the wrong grip which opens the strings too much under the ball as I like to close my strings and you can't afford to do that with guys like Winston. They will be all over it.

[@villiano1]

ridiculous how good this guys serve is after just a year.

[@birjman]

It's very good but he is 6'4 and athletic...I don't know many 6'4 tennis players with even avg serves.

[@GershonBenYitzhak]

​@@birjmanYeah the height REALLY helps with making it easier to get in, 6'4 is tall.

[@bournejason66]

@@birjmanthere are many tall guys who can’t serve.

[@stevenjm12]

@@birjman Sjeng Schalken

[@ishannage248]

Does he have a video on how he got his serve up to this point?

[@demneptune]

Amazing improvement - i saw early you, and wasnt expecting anything like this. Now I’m in awe.

[@gab_ale]

Interesting how the camera makes a difference on the perception of the ball speed. Trey's serves in the first set looked massive. Probably closer to how they would look in person. Overall nice practice for Trey to understand what an experienced 4.5 (which was not being aggressive or playing his best) looks like. That being said Trey just needs more court time. He is well on his way to reaching his goal.

[@TenisAmador]

The "which was not being aggressive or playing his best" is deceiving. He just couldn't play better, exactly because of what Trey mentioned in the end: the pace was not steady, there were erratic balls, and Winston had to generate the pace and be more aggressive. That is hard. And that generates a lot more mistakes, or you just need to "hold your arm" to keep the ball in the court. IMO that was wxactly the real level that Winston plays. Yes, he plays better against better opponents, but he can't crush guys like a 5.0 would.

[@gab_ale]

@TenisAmador I saw Winston playing too slow and tentative. Could be Winston is out of practice against lower lvl opponents and changing rhythm threw him off. He did say he felt the pressure that he had to win. Still, he was being too careful. That's what I meant by him not being aggressive. But I understand very well that playing down takes practice. I'm a 4.5 and mostly play against friends that are 4 and below.

[@MrPatrickbuit]

@@gab_ale That is how every player of that level looks against someone who's worse. Playing against better players doesn't actually make you play better. It gives you the illusion that you're playing better, because the opponent is generating a lot of pace for you. It's the exact same reason why most 3.5s will feel great playing against their 4.0/4.5 friends but then proceed to lose to a pusher of their own level.

[@gab_ale]

@@MrPatrickbuit When I was in my early teens I was one of those 3.5s that loved to always hit hard, but then would lose to pushers. I forced myself to play mostly with pushers to develop a more complete playing style.

[@MrPatrickbuit]

@@gab_ale Fortunately one of my best mates has a very defensive style with lots of slices. I got used to approaching the net against him, so I’m not scared of pushers anymore. However, when playing a worse player I still play significantly worse. Even when I win 6-1 6-1 or something I play a lot slower and with less power than against a strong player.

[@Mrmelody85]

New subscriber here! Love the channel! Amazed by how good your serve is after so little time playing! Forehand very promising too! I imagine you're working a lot on the backhand and volleys? I'm no expert but if you don't mind a little advice, I think you need to close the right hand a bit more on your backhand, so it's a full continental, just to keep that racket face a bit more closed at contact. Follow through over the shoulder more too, it looks like you're checking the stroke and not letting it really fly. Looking forward to more content like this, keep it up Trey!!

[@K4R3N]

Those courts are dirtier than Mark Sansait's browser history.

[@bmanbusee3812]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@gab_ale]

Daaaaannnggg. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BackoftheLineTennis]

2 girls, 1 Chalupa.

[@alliver_tennis]

Mark catching strayyyys lol

[@mvubu6823]

DUDE - haven't seen you in months... what an improvement!! Massive progress is so impressive to see. KEEP GOING

[@17pboyle]

Fellow newcomer to tennis -- server seems to be tough to handle even for a 4.5 player, great work! Feels like your getting to good spots in your service points -- Winston def hitting some great passing shots. The gap in level seems to be a bit more apparent in your return games but amazing improvement -- thanks for the awesome content!

[@Tennisbull-match-statistics]

Great serve again, this time you got 5 more "free points" on your serve compared to Winston, but he returned better which neutralized it overall. 2/8 points won at the net this time. Winston's dropshots were awesome 1:46 4:04 7:28

[@theeggrollrapper]

Great collab.... your strokes look like they have more pop/heaviness with the Ezone.

[@ajshelman7548]

Great playing guys, thank you! Trey, your serve and forehand are looking so solid. Whatever camera setup (camera specs, angle) you all used for this match seemed to do a better job showing just how quality your shots are now. Might be worth replicating that setup on your other videos!

[@andyaaz]

Insane serves! You have no problem creating opportunities. The opportunity to point conversion rate is a bit low. Now train your approach shot+volley combos with the same dedication you had for your serve. Imagine winning those ~10 points you lost that could have won. Huge difference.

[@banxunited]

Great Serve! I think your serve level is higher than your groundstrokes which is a great base to work from. Its my first time watching one of your videos and I really like the different camera angle highlights after each game. Good game

[@roccomolena3308]

Now that Winston isn’t getting crushed by borderline pro and pro players you get to see he plays at a high level

[@thelonelydekuscrub4817]

I was thinking the same thing

[@jimjones2287]

This Winston’s drop shots were on point here, guess it’s easier to do when you’re not getting ran around and have more time to set up your shots

[@TimeManInJail]

No... He plateau, he refused to improve and just play the same way.

[@veganpork7601]

It's pretty easy to appear good when your opponent is a self taught beginner that has been playing way less than you...

[@bnobplayz4837]

@@TimeManInJailare you better than him?

[@fookbia8875]

One tip Trey. When you play at a rec level, sometimes junk balls work or off pace serves. The more pace you give to higher level players, the more they tend to like it. Get some more variations. Your serves looks the same each time. Kick serves, slices, etc. Drop shots, angles, forehand slice. Try it all and see what works.

[@Sweeney-Kubach]

Great match fellas! Trey you were playing some good tennis today my friend. Winston was just on fire today my dude. I look forward to seeing the rematch next year.

[@ashdawnroswell]

I would like to challenge both of you to hits a set I'm a self taught less than 4 years. At El Camino real park in orange CA.

[@DonRobberto]

5:34 if he doesn't foot fault on the baseline, he foot faults on the centre line 🤣

[@winston9t4]

Seems like Trey is foot-faulting every single serve… could be corrected with minor adjustment

[@leonardogu4305]

😮you have a great and big game. You’re really good considering the time you’ve been playing. Your serve is amazing, and you just need some work on the backhand. I expect some great tennis in the future from you!

[@toemouse]

Noticed an all round improvement in your game since the change in racquet. Good work! I would add a little lead to the hoop to add some stability, should help you a little at the net.

[@williamyu9476]

Great improvement. Your serve is 5.0. Can't wait to see a rematch next year！

[@wilfredovives]

You have improved so much, it’s amazing!! You will win way more matches if you improve your mobility, court placement and tactics. Lots of points that you lose it’s because you are static after hitting or just recovering to the wrong place. Keep up the good job!!

[@Only4hands]

Nice serve..I remember you first doing that 1000 serve ball challenge. What an improvement

[@timvansamang]

Keep on working man! Good job!

[@DoubleFaultPodcast]

Love the video, gotta watch the foot faults tho

[@alwaysprepared]

I think Winston played better this set than last. Trey seemed to drop a bit. Still pretty competitive overall. Trey does need to work on his backhand. He doesn't hit through the ball, but rather abbreviates his swing. I think partially a timing issue plus he doesn't have any drop on the racket - swing is too linear. I have similar problems on my backhand except I have a decent racket drop. Trey foot-faults with his right foot on most every serve, sometimes having the whole ball of his foot not just on, but totally INSIDE the baseline particularly on the deuce court side... That is visible from the other side of the court so people could legitimately call him on it... One thing I definitely like about Trey's game is he is not afraid to play aggressively! I think that's part of why he has improved so quickly!! Trey mentioned that he was going to continue to come to the net even though he rarely wins a point up there. Courageous, but not smart. For improving, that's a good mindset. For winning matches, it's all about focusing on what is working for you and not working for the opponent.

[@asthmaticrhino]

Some thing I'm noticing as a fellow rec player, because I'm working on some of the same things: 1) you wait for balls to come to you to much. Winston is giving you short balls esp. off the serve, because your serve is big. good example is 10:03, that ball is on the service line and it's not jumping with heavy top spin. if you take two steps up and clobber it, that changes the point significantly. 2) related to 1, one of the reasons you find this hard is you just watch your balls too much. You follow through and take a sec to see if it's a good one or not. You can see an example of this really clearly at 8:50. You should be looking at Winston and repositioning in that time so you have better angle coverage. 3) One of the reasons Winston is able to hit passing shots so often is because at least to my eye you seem to prioritize getting to the net rather than taking angles away. take the angles away!

[@cotacachi12]

Great playing, Careful where you stand tho on service trey, a couple of times it looks like your foot touches the baseline, which would be a foot fault, other than that though great playing keep up the grind both of you!

[@dpadron]

Pretty sure this set should have been 8-0 if the foot faults were called.

[@mozzberg590]

Two things my guy. 1. Your foot faults might get you in trouble in a big match. 2. Your first service game you were up 40-15 and gave it away. You gotta hold those games. Great job guys

[@MarcoSolidx]

Here comes a constructive critic, hope you read it. Tennis is a legs game, you take too much time to recover position after ground strokes. Although your feet movement is fast, is also inefficient. Try to intertwine your steps to cover more ground with fewer steps. Look some footage of Roger Federer recovering position

[@speedymr]

Trey, the distance with the ball when you hit groundstrokes is pretty good for a 3.5. That's the hardest part for us recreational players.

[@VictorW8]

Only 2 mins into this vid but have to say Trey, you're looking solid (I've been on a bit of a tennis hiatus so haven't watched you in months). You look like you're serving out of a 2nd story building. Groundstrokes really coming along too.

[@PhilOvitt]

Great match. Winston's forehand is a true weapon.

[@aztecterp]

Good match. Trey is really good for the amount of time he's been playing. Keep it up!

[@bournejason66]

What helps you most on your serve and forehand in the past year? Thanks 🙏

[@shabzone]

5th game held to love with big serves, but almost all foot faults.... You have to clean up your foot faults if your game revolves around the serve.

[@smohan123]

Imo you have more headroom than Winston. You are quite athletic and naturally hit a pretty big ball on the FH and serve. He hits lazy slices where you try to step into a backhand. Once you start reading the opponent better you'll pick up on those drop shots and be able to handle them. The service motion is quite good and especially on clay I think you could hit a huge topspin serve. Net play and backhands will come if you keep practicing which I am sure you will given your channel content. This was a seriously impressive outing for you compared to where I saw you even a year ago in these videos.

[@OneChallengeRemaining]

Court acoustics should be a consideration. This court made your forehands sound beefier and less stringy.

[@mikealbert728]

Good job Trey. Your serve is your biggest weapon but your foot faults are egregious. Maybe consider switching to a platform serve or just stepping back a few inches. Keep up the good work.

[@fookbia8875]

Trey. You did good. You played like a 4.0. Keep your head up.

[@bournejason66]

How long have you been playing tennis Trey?

[@Winners-Only]

Since December 2022

[@bournejason66]

@@Winners-Only what exercises or gadgets you tried that help your serve and forehand the most? Both look great and I am impressed given the time you been playing. Thanks

[@andrehanderson]

You've improved so much. Congratulations

[@huyngo2655]

imo the point at 8:00 the approach should go inside in. Going inside out opens you up to the dtl passing shot. theres too much ground to cover coming into the net. That shot prob works 9/10 times against a 3.5 but a 4.5 player has that in the bag.

[@huyngo2655]

you split step on almost every shot. It's impressive you've engrained that in 1 year of playing.

[@DominicNSX]

Great tennis! Somebody could use a new Solinco shirt😉

[@johnthurston7783]

No shame trey for 18mths playing Winston was calm.. this could be a great target. more games KZbin ledgends

[@xband]

Trey, seems like early in the set Winston was pressuring your forehand because you were recovering too far to the backhand side. Winston is forced to the forehand corner and you recover left of the center. I know you’re concerned about down the line which does seem to be more prevalent in 3.5/4.0. Winston is playing higher level guys that don’t do that, he’s playing the ball cross which is the right play. Your serve is good, getting it more consistently wider rather than in the body, I do the same though. Winston was just too comfortable with the loopy spinny rally balls.

[@anttitapio4145]

10:13 Great point!

[@user-be5qg7mr1s]

your BH needs to work but that is typical of a 3.5. Winston is pinning you to that corner because you keep running around and hit inside out forehands - which is tiring. This allows him to dropshot up the line. He is also going up the middle to neutralize get you to overhit an angled shot. Your serve is great though

[@grimson]

Winston’s backhand dropper is cash money. Trey, I want to see you playing USTA league 3.5. That’s where the real pressure is! Always playing better players is good for your game in many ways, except it frees you from expectations and pressure, which you NEED to become battle-hardened. Do not think 3.5 is beneath you! Learn to win under pressure from your own expectations and your teammates. League, not tournaments (everyone plays up a level at tournaments, plus there’s no teammate pressure). Just one opinion.

[@primehuerter]

It's crazy how much better you play against higher level opponents than worse ones

[@info781]

Higher level has more consistent pace.

[@fookbia8875]

​@info781 100%. Much easier to hit cleaner shots with someone that delivers clean shots. That's why I hate junkers. Lol.

[@IsaacWu-w7o]

@winners-only, your in LA right? Challenge me man!

[@illustriouscacti]

no way you're 3.5! maybe my perception of 3.5s is off, but with that serve and solid ground strokes I'd expect you to regularly clean house against 3.5s

[@갓스포츠]

Don't try to finish too early because if you do you will make more errors with pushers

[@samcpage]

It's ok to go for it. That's how you get better. Yea, you lose to pushers for a few months but eventually you wipe the floor with them. If you play safe, you don't improve beyond a certain level.

[@RapaicizKucica]

isnt this net too low for a singles match?

[@tredburn08]

Trey, I came across your channel something like a year or so ago and you've just resurfaced on my algorithm. It's rare that I interact much on KZbin, but I just have to say WOW. Your improvement over the past year is unbelievable. I'm truly impressed... keep it up

[@brianjuice]

Winston has superior ball placement. Making Trey run and hit uncomfortable shots. Trey has really nice pace and serve for a 3.5.

[@DonYang73]

i think you just graduated to 4.0 . nice serve mechanics, very decent forehand, but weaker back and netplay. overall well done

[@trex1448]

Windstorm is a pretty good 3.5. You should be able to beat him withba little more experience. You need a lot of sets. Play as much as possible. Your technique is pretty good.

[@fookbia8875]

Trey's footwork is looking better and better. Good try Trey.

[@victoruong1677]

from the side, trey's serve kinda looking like baby kyrgios serve

[@tennisjourney]

Watched both sets and you are way better than 3.5 Your serve reminds me of the newly retired serving giant ace king Ivo Karlovic.

[@alvindexplorer2567]

Trey, wish I could serve like you. But mind the foot fault. So many of those. In real matches, you'll probably lose all the serving points.

[@xlatinvato26x]

Maybe it's time to consult @tenncom again for what strings maybe help your style. The K-Pop on your racquet is probably dead and you can hear it when you swinging.

[@jeremi7214]

Watch those foot faults!!!

[@michaelp9061]

Is Winston an actor ? Or bodybuilder ? Dude looks familiar

[@meinsouza]

court looks so slippery

[@nectarpeach2853]

Why is scoring to 8?

[@EdgewoodTennis]

Winston's drop shots are sick

[@fookbia8875]

That's smart tactics with weak volliers.

[@goromajima3772]

Your service is great for your level. You rush the net correctly after a good forehand but your positioning is completely wrong. When u hit a strong forehand on your opponents forehand you should rush the net and expect a diagonal shot, dont be afraid to commit on the right side. Approach the right side of the net and challenge your opponent to hit a down the line winner which is a small % shot. You also need to work on your backhand, you need more depth. These are the 2 consistent flaws in your game i see, otherwise you play great for someone who only started a year ago.

[@speedcubingman]

5:50 foot fault

[@MrRando]

in a year or 2 you will be a monster on the court

[@fookbia8875]

At this rate, Trey will be a solid 4.0 in a year. In 2 years, 4.5 is possible. He needs to learn vollies and he can be devastating. With his serves, serve and volly at the rec level would destroy.

[@MrRando]

@@fookbia8875 fr his serve is a big weapon his game will prolly revolve around

[@arfatdurrani2976]

Hi Winston, my tennis level is 3.5 ust. I would also like to play with you sometimes soon

[@silviutudorescu8114]

it's weird you improved in the opposite way, i mean your serves are such a powerfull weapon for you, normally it's the hardest to improve

[@antoniozerpa5722]

You are using the wrong tactics. You can't go to the net hitting to Winston's forehand and right next to him. You'll get passed every time. Also he's not great mover, use drop shots, short slices, make him move! Not every shot has to be deep. His drop shots are pretty predictable, start running early!

[@cmintz5]

Game's looking great but the foot faults are just egregious. I wonder why Trey doesn't fix it.

[@Wals141]

Would you really consider yourself a 3.5? You've got a great serve and forehand. No disrespect to your backhand, although you do seem to avoid playing it!

[@Winners-Only]

no, that’s just my official ntrp rating. I would say 4.0

[@petershort936]

lovely serve. looks like you've played baseball or something. worry your grip is edging towards eastern based on how your racquet head opens out instead of staying down. foot faults man.

[@GershonBenYitzhak]

Before I watch this video I can tell you there is absolutely no chance in hell you can beat Winston. Honestly I will be shocked if you can win more than one game. He is way too consistent and has played a lot of 4.0-5.0 players. His serve is really mediocre, and your serve is above average for 3.5, but that won't be enough. In general, you shouldn't be able to win more than 1-2 games against any 4.5. If you can, then they aren't a 4.5. Ok after watching, your serve is REALLY good for a 3.5. Better than Winston's that is for sure. 9:47 watch out for your foot fault. All things considered I think you played much more like a 4.0 than a 3.5. Your groundstrokes are looking better and more consistent. Gotta work on that approach shot though. I think if you fix your net game you'll be a 4.0 no problem. I would also work on smoothing out the acceleration in your forehand. Sometimes you dead stop your swing with your racquet behind you, and then attempt to accelerate quickly from that position, that's going to cause a lot of errors.

[@fluffy_skye]

I started tennis a couple months earlier than you and you are much better than me lol.

[@tennissliceoflife]

Your progress is so obvious - keep it up Trey! Love camerman’s positive attitude too!

[@ItsCheesyEthan]

Nice serves but every one is a foot fault😢

[@jphayes21]

You’ll beat a lot of 3.5s and could easily play 4.0. As many have said the foot faults are really really bad.

[@fookbia8875]

Bingo.

[@xtremevp12]

brilliant

[@jpg6113]

You'll be 4.5 in 5 years maybe

[@roadtopro1548]

Why u 3.5? Minimum 4.0

[@MarkSansait]

Have you tried pickleball? Its the fastest growing sport in America!!

[@Winners-Only]

Is this an attempt at a roast or something? Yeah i’ve tried pickleball it’s an okay game, but doesn’t present the same challenge or physicality that I love about tennis!

[@jennym2276]

Winston, you look kinda hot in the thumb nail. A bit of scruffy is a good look on you.

[@allanl717]

You foot fault a lot