Can I Use Ableton Plugins Live On My X32?

[@1captainfingers]

Wow, I’m blessed that you responded this way. I will definitely look into the Dante network. It sounds promising. Maybe you can help me with a routing question. I’m having trouble playing my recorded set back to the X32. You may have addressed this in another video, if so, please let me know and I’ll watch it. Thank you so much for your response. I really appreciate it.

[@AllamHouse]

It was a great question so it was worthy of a video response. In terms of the settings for virtual soundcheck (or playback from a DAW) this video below is one that I did some time ago and covers the basics. You want to make sure that your DAW has the outputs mapped appropriately and that your console is routed with the "PLAY" button set to card inputs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYHVkpqQlN1qg7M

[@mrovi789]

We use superack, latency is ok-ish with USB. Not sure if would use this setup on a professional setup with the x32. We only use this setup as people do not know to mix, so we made presets for all vocals, so all is left is to push faders for them.

[@AllamHouse]

Thanks for the input. Superack is the newer version of what I mentioned I used in the past called Multirack. As long as you send raw signals to the monitors and only use the Superack signals for a PA mix it is usually acceptable depending on the size of the venue. Thanks for offering your thoughts and insights to the community.

[@AlPlatino]

I use a Presonus USB Classic mixer and put the vsts chains in Ableton and control the mix with a Vestax VCM 200 inside Ableton and output goes to the main Presonus mixer. It works, I did not experience latency, using an AMD high end PC with 32 gigs

[@AllamHouse]

Thanks for sharing this with the community. Were you doing this for just your live stream mix or were you using the vsts for your individual inputs?

[@AlPlatino]

@@AllamHouse VSTs for individual inputs under Ableton Live in session mode.

[@christalonemyhope]

Can you tell which processor you use

[@AlPlatino]

I use the COMPUTER as the VST processor. AMD computer, 32 Gigbs of RAM and any DAW (I use Ableton) @@christalonemyhope

[@AgusGonzalez1998]

Very interesting, not something I will be trying for now, but good to know! Great video!

[@AllamHouse]

Thanks for the encouragement. It is a cool technique, but as you said... not one to try without good prior planning and testing.

[@ericp7129]

Thanks for the info... Very useful👍 Oh! tidy your room too ...

[@AllamHouse]

Thanks for the comment. That was my studio setup in the basement which contains a lot of life on the other side of that camera. I would love to have a plush studio to make videos in, but I decide to work with what I have and shoot videos whenever the kids are in bed or at school and I'm not working my day job. Sorry the room was distracting.

[@wayneebersole2054]

I tried this for our worship team but I was using a new PC (instead of a Mac) and Pro Tools DAW. I wanted to run the Waves Autotune on our vocalists to FOH. We have an auditorium that seats round 200 people. We have the Dante card in our X32 running over a Gigabit network on Cat6 cabling. The latency was just too much for the vocalists and the people in the front row. What the vocalists were hearing in their IEM (IEM are pre-fader via P-16M) vs the FOH was delay too much and it really messed with them. Maybe Ableton Live would be better? I have to check out that Live Professor maybe that would have better latency. Any suggestions on how to reduce the latency? PC specs: Dell XPS Intel 11 gen i9 2.50 GHz processor, 64 gb RAM, 1 TB SSD, Windows 11 and Dante virtual sound card.

[@AllamHouse]

When I did this setup, I made sure to send the signal to the IEM before the processing as it would add way too much latency for the band. You can kind of get away with this setup on a laptop (across USB) in a larger venue, but in the smaller venues it is just not a good option. The Waves Soundgrid server is the best option (along with the Waves Card) to get the functionality and low latency and then your computer just becomes a control surface.

[@jeffisaia5907]

Thank you nice video please how to routing x32 and ableton live for live performance please

[@AllamHouse]

The easiest way to run Ableton live is by setting it up like a virtual sound check and plugging the DAW into the console with a USB cable., You can then set your specific inputs on the console to bring in those tracks from Ableton (across the card). This video you watched pretty much guides you through this. If you only need a left and right signal from Ableton could be using a stereo DI box to take the headphone out from the computer into the DI and then feed two channels on your console. A larger version of this setup is to use something like a Focusrite or Motu device that takes USB signals from Ableton and then converts to 4-8 XLR outputs that you can run into the console like any other input. Let me know the exact setup you are trying to accomplish and I can point you in the right direction. Also, if you need one-on-one help I do handle consultations and we can talk about that individually if you go to my website and fill out my contact card. It will come directly to me and we can start that conversation.

[@calvintraviserickson]

why does the m1 mac have usb latency? is it because faster usb wasn't available or... ya know.

[@AllamHouse]

It’s not the Mac specifically, but USB. USB is a slower transmission than MADI or Ethernet which can push data at a much faster throughout and provide less latency in the system.

[@andym7333]

USE FOR SYNTH NOT VOCALS RIGHT??

[@AllamHouse]

Yes, you can use them live, but there might be a slight delay based on computer latency. The more plugins you add to the chain, the more latency. Obviously, you will want to experiment with it in a rehearsal environment.

[@andym7333]

MY SYNTHS ARE SEQUENCED SO LATENCY IS NOT A ISSUE SINCE WILL USE MIXER TO ADD THE VOCALS

[@beatladen]

Regarding Dante Latency for inserts, you must use a Dante Soundcard on the computer you use as a host for plugins... that will be the bottleneck for your latency. Check the specs and tests that have been done already. Using just the DVS will bring roundtrip latency to 20ms which is unusable for inserts. Considering all the gear you need to buy, all in all, Waves Soundgrid is the best solution. Even if you use Live Professor as plugin host, WSG will enable you to bring that latency down to less than 5ms on a decent computer.

[@AllamHouse]

Thanks for posting the information. I hope anyone exploring this topic finds this info and can use it.

[@CharlezTheGreat]

Thanks for the info. I really appreciate it. This latency less than 5ms is this with the proton sound grid server? I am thinking of getting a soundgrid either the proton or the extreme