Can Lossless Scaling save your Potato PC?

[@thebigboatgaming]

Why are you guys still watching this crap lol? Go watch the updated video, where I got Lossless Scaling to actually work correctly: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaXFk3aEdr2Fma8

[@gymbro8620]

Frames per second❌ Frames per sometimes✅

[@matrix9140]

seconds per frame

[@brotherofthenorth]

per minute*

[@adeptiworks]

"it looks worse than san andreas" BRO it looks worse than the original need for speed from 1994 😭

[@TheMamaluigi300]

Not “looking worse than a 3DO game” 😭😭😭

[@thegamingvillager2392]

because it's a modern AAA game with HD textures not intended to run on low-end hardware

[@matt92hun]

GTA: Roblox

[@thegamingvillager2392]

@@matt92hun there is GTA on Roblox? Like actual full complete GTA game sorry, the only game i used to play on there was Entry Point, since that's no longer being updated i don't play Roblox anymore

[@matt92hun]

@@thegamingvillager2392 Nice. I think I last played it around 2008, maybe.

[@TheKenzo_47]

when ur grandmother pc is potato but u still want to play games

[@VIC_TOR_]

Shutup

[@TheKenzo_47]

@@VIC_TOR_ kid is orphan

[@juanrocky8147]

But she stills want to play games

[@FloatSamplesGT710]

@@TheKenzo_47 He basically has better PC than you kid, so blink your fucking eyes out before commenting like a blind lmao

[@willfredomg]

Me

[@Riley_MDS]

Because the CPU and the GPU is already stressed to the maximum, there's almost no headrooms to allocate some of the process to LSFG... Meaning that you're only making the game run worse...

[@kazim1735]

What's lsfg

[@Riley_MDS]

@@kazim1735 Lossless Scaling Frame Generation

[@kazim1735]

@@Riley_MDS thanks man

[@Taavettii]

That is infact true, I have a low end pc and it doesn't work at all

[@LuckyYeti]

Exactly 💯, gonna say it

[@bruhsomerandomguy3950]

bros pc is so potato that cant even run half life 2 at 60 fps

[@FloatSamplesGT710]

TBH, that PC is ever weaker than GeForce GT 210 Edit: It's a laptop not PC XD

[@Spanduhh]

​@@FloatSamplesGT710laptop is also a PC lil bro

[@inoahguygames]

Can it run Doom?

[@meirintheguard]

my laptop cant êvn run able half life

[@CDM14y]

​@@FloatSamplesGT710The gpu is on par with gt 710 but it is bottlenecked by cpu

[@fontszz]

this dude makes me remember about pushing limit of my old laptop, it was a i3 gen 2 with 4GBs of RAM. I'm surprised how I was managed to clear all of those games with that much fps!

[@EmeraldHeart7]

Which game bro hahahaha

[@RickLaurence999]

Hope everyone with low end PC's, get there dream setups someday, I used to have a low end pc and man it sucked... stumbled upon this video because I was curious about the scaling app, Goodluck on your gaming journey ✌🏽🚶🏽

[@absolutenoir-g3i]

the machine he plays on scares me, cuz even somehow i managed to get 30 fps on my ancient ahh 4 gb ram pc 4 years ago on gta 5 without lossless scaling. huge respect to this man for not mentally breaking down while playing on this toaster.

[@SIDALIBS05]

To this point I prefer installing a gta5 map mod for gta san andreas and drive around, that would be much better😂😂

[@azgaming4651]

Link mod??

[@razorblade7486]

​@@azgaming4651alternatively try gta underground

[@SkyLiink]

The logic behind Lossless Scaling app, is; that if you get 30fps, cap it at 20/25fps, and use frame gen to get 40/50fps. Or the 3x and get 60/75fps. You have to give your computer some slack and make space for the processing of Lossless Scaling. Cus it IS demanding. I have mostly used this on older emulated titles such as RDR1 on Xenia, since it doesn't output 60fps super fluidly. (originally 30fps cap, but u can turn it off in prefs) Thats where this app shines. It brings back old titles to play again as you imagined it to be. (since we are all so used to 60fps+ now) Using this to play newer gen titles on old systems is tricky. It depends on how demanding the game is, and how good your system is. If you are getting 50fps, but want more, take it down to 40fps capped, and use it to get 80fps. But if the game is heavy, you might get insane frame-time lag. (the time between rendered frames), which makes it choppy, like we saw with GTA V in this video. 168ms latency between every single frame, and not capping fps first, is a war between the game and the LSFG app fighting over who gets what resources at what time. These old systems, are kind of beyond saving when it comes to stuff like this. The app applies to either; - relatively new systems, with owners who cant afford to upgrade, or is not willing to - people who emulate old games and want more fluidity in the game. - people who wants to use the Upscaler to go from 1080p to 1440p/4K res in movie scenarios or game scenarios. These are the most common usecases i figured out atleast.

[@SalimShahdiOff]

"We're allnused to 60 fps now" If only

[@SkyLiink]

​@@SalimShahdiOff This all depends on economical factors. Such as; those with higher end gear are accustomed to maybe 140+fps, and those who have less than the average (according to steam survey), get less than 60fps. But median in gaming today seems to be around 60fps, if not more when it comes to competitive gaming. Dota, League Of Legends, Fortnite, CS2 etc.

[@nFyrin]

The warping in sleeping dogs is a sign that it was the only game that worked with frame gen. The problem is that the frame rate is so low there is not enough information for LS to generate consistent looking frames from.

[@adamantine001]

bro running GTA V on a Bay Trail Celeron while I think it doesn't even launch on my Skylake Celeron that I was using up until couple years ago.

[@muomingames3624]

i think Mobox with snapdragon 680 is faster than this pc😂

[@markin_slava677]

with Snapdragon 625*

[@RedFace0101]

​@@markin_slava677with a 400

[@Sphynx93rkn]

Was about to say

[@TestEmulators]

Snapdragon 215*

[@NeilMohan7u4]

even snapdragon 8 gen 3 won't run cyberpunk 2077 with mobox

[@SIDALIBS05]

I feel that this channel would become big one day, Goodluck brother!

[@thebigboatgaming]

Thank you very much, man! Yes, by God's Grace, I believe that this channel will become huge one day! 😌

[@overskg]

Tbh im just surprised that the frame generation ai works at all on such low end hardware.

[@Mr.Vertex]

I'm kind of impressed on how smoothly that laptop runs windows 10, it looked very smooth when you were switching applications which was pretty good out of a PC this low end

[@keijidnikolaevich]

The game should be in vsync disabled (LS have vsync option if you dont want screen tearing), in windowed/borderless mode, it should have not any overlays apart from LS' fps counter, and cap the game's base fps using rtss for it to work

[@keijidnikolaevich]

You should try LS1 and FSR for AAA games

[@thebigboatgaming]

Wrong, these are not factors to consider at all regarding the performance in this video. Lossless Scaling works perfectly fine on my GTX 1050 laptop even without capping the FPS with RivaTuner. All the games in this video were ran in Windowed/Borderless mode using Lossless Scaling. It's just the fact that the Intel HD Graphics (Bay Trail) are so sh*tty that, yeah, it doesn't work well...

[@MarkZukkininberg]

In GTA 5 you had vsync on half you need to turn It off to be smoother ​@@thebigboatgaming

[@TechySkills]

@@MarkZukkininberg in my experience whenever i had vsync off or in half, my game had been always in 2-3 fps space, but when i made it vsync it goes to 18-20 fps

[@thecrazyjoe250]

Running LS is not "free", it still needs some computing power to run well. If your PC is already stressed to 100% it will not works properly.

[@NevioKluge]

I thought it’s just gonna be a bad pc but it’s literally a potato

[@speedbird330]

I think the better option for low end pcs is to run the games via cloud gaming like in the Nvidia Geforce experience, but still a nice video, because when I saw it on a sale I didn't realize what it did so thanks and nice video!

[@eusilembrokk]

Beautiful channel we got here!!

[@Flopster101]

You really can't get much more out of BayTrail SoCs, they are primarily limited by their TDP. Whenever the GPU needs more power, the CPU slows down and viceversa, they are constantly fighting for who gets to use the full power budget.

[@Louis.7493]

the people who actually need it can't even use it properly bruh.. i'd rather stick with manual configuration at this rate

[@gokits45]

ah, a laptop worthy of being my opponent XD edit: bro we have the same cpu and general specs on our laptops

[@blabolik]

I love being poor And pushing my hardware to the limits is so fun Even if i get rich i will NEVER upgrade from my Old ass tech Its so charming

[@ekmeklikek92]

Bro that modded gta 5 looks worse than the crappy fake gta's on play store lol

[@SouldeviL_0]

Love this guy keep up buddy. I subbed

[@leexy3395]

If you somehow make it work. The input lag will be horrible I'd rather have locked 15fps than having Frame generated 50fps that have massive 60ms input lag.

[@gnrtx-36969]

Like who in their right mind would play games at 15 fps and frame generate it to 4x lmao 2x is the only right option there

[@thebigboatgaming]

@@gnrtx-36969 Yeah, 15 FPS with LSFG X4 looks horrible xd

[@ale104_tv]

nice video bro, keep it up!

[@sarthakbalodhi1497]

This can do better on those newer chips with the npu without loss in original frame rates. Hope the devs realise it .

[@OnionDude]

"great app that can double FPS" that sounds like a biased youtube sponsored segment, Good video bigboat (i was hoping you'd do No Russian mission in CoD MW2)

[@Spectre5390]

It seemed like it was actually doing the Frame Generation, though. It's just that there's barely any information in the game. From what I could gather in the comments: - LS isn't made for Fullscreen, probably works better on Borderless or Windowed - VSync affects the performance in a way (not sure if it does that negatively or positively.) - Frame Generation needs pixels too (I.e. low resolution means less information to work with, resulting in the "warping." Maybe it'll actually work when combined with Cheat Engine's speed hack to counter the "slow-mo"? Idk...

[@shikikanaz4624]

LSFG is meant to be used on devices that are decent or have a proper GPU. lower end IGPU dont benefit as there are already maxed out and has LS is a bit demanding you can see where the problem is. also yes, as @Spectre5390 said, it works best with windowed or borderless and doesnt work well with Full screen

[@Spectre5390]

Actually, maybe you can try using Cheat Engine's Speedhack along with the Lossless Scaling? Maybe that way you'll actually get more FPS? (Edit: It seemed like it was actually doing the Frame Generation, though. It's just that there's barely any information in the game. The slow-mo effect might be from LS generating frames and inserting it into the game that's thinking it is running at a certain FPS (basically, a desync between LS and game.) From what I could gather in the comments: - LS isn't made for Fullscreen, probably works better on Borderless or Windowed - VSync affects the performance in a way (not sure if it does that negatively or positively.) - Frame Generation needs pixels too (I.e. low resolution means less information to work with, resulting in the "warping." - LS needs performance headroom, and possibly works relatively better with dGPUs. Just an opinion, might be wrong.)

[@beneficialhistory]

There is no way my old nvidia 9400 gt better than this

[@mvnk_05]

I think lossless scaling is seen like the thing that’s gonna magically improve your fps ingame, it does but doesn’t at the same time, just make the game feel smoother when the game is already running at good fps, like 60-50 and maybe a bit lower, at much lower fps generating more frames will just make the game feel slowmo because it doesn’t have a lot to work with and will just make smooth transitions between the frames, so you think if you’re running the game at 15 fps you’ll get 30 with x2… the game at 15 fps feels slow because you’re aware of the images being rendered, now it feels even slower because you have smooth transitions between those already slow generated frames😅

[@mvnk_05]

And ofc if the game has low fps, adding generated frames in between will probably require more computing rendering the thing useless

[@weirdohmm]

i love your content already

[@andreiblanovschi5153]

Damn i really loved the video ❤ you're great

[@janelaincloudcroft]

This is very interesting, Could you test a physics based game like teardown next time?

[@Jepyx-yf5ju]

you should get a perm and a low taper fade trust me my brother you will look fantastic

[@inoahguygames]

When it's so potato that you can't capture a video on the laptop

[@xaropemacgyver]

24fps is a dream performance for me...❤

[@hotpotato7615]

i think the sweet spot is if you can play at 30 fps cap it works really well for me

[@NaldzHobbySide]

Dude, Lossless Scaling does really works, but what you did is testing it to a junk ancient hardware. 😑

[@thebigboatgaming]

@@NaldzHobbySide That's the whole point of the video xd

[@NaldzHobbySide]

Forget the Minimum Requirements, the Recommended System requirement's is the way. RECOMMENDED: Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system OS: Windows 11 x64 Graphics: GeForce GTX 1060 / Radeon RX 580 DirectX: Version 11

[@trevordesanta5739]

​@@NaldzHobbySide💀

[@ItsMasTeRYT_]

It doesnt work on 60hz monitors

[@thebigboatgaming]

@@ItsMasTeRYT_ Then can you explain how I can use Lossless Scaling on my GTX 1050 laptop with a 60 Hz monitor? 🤔🤔🤔

[@V19450]

Dam bro ur low-key underated

[@MaxerV19]

It doesnt work properly because the frame generation uses some of the gpu power (in my case it used like around 20% so i needed to make sure theres always 20% gpu usage to spare) This is due to the fact that the igpu doesnt have enough power to render the game AND generate frames

[@DarckAngel11]

No​@@imjustskygod-_-4034

[@221timurspinatii9]

The problem that FG using GPU resources to generate frames. That’s why Nvidia using something like npu in their cards for this

[@trevordesanta5739]

Great content 👌 You just earned a new sub 🥂

[@m0n4rch_y]

tldr; no, frame generation still needs frame to generate more frames. if your pc can only output 1 fps, you'll get 2 fps total. and if you have 15 fps, don't expect 30 fps since frame gen will also degrade performance (see sleeping dogs and assassin's creed as an example).

[@aleksandarlenhart2078]

this is why i think ls is lp (losless placebo)

[@shivam5878]

this guy is going through disaster just to show us how the program works for potato pc😢

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

Gta was cooked it couldn’t be saved and just lost frames from running the application

[@tofuchaeng06]

GTA 5 works properly in Braswell CPU if set on 800x600 or 1024x600. Yours can work properly too if the game is vanilla. I think yours is modded because everything I see isn't from the original game (especially the map on pause screen, you're using the satellite map mod)

[@kn1feesports533]

Great video mate ❤❤

[@thebigboatgaming]

@@kn1feesports533 Thank you!

[@Nonkyaman]

damn you laptop actualy works

[@adrianquiambao069]

My laptop have Intel i5 12450H DDR 5 8gb ram and Intel UHD graphics still can't play GTA V offline

[@davylucas6244]

Weird, i have same specs, it runs at 30 fps with everything on lowest settings, maybe you model of gpu its worse than mine. I have intel x series

[@kingsman9659]

@@davylucas6244 yall prolly need dual channel, it means 2ram sticks on both slots, this gives a massive boost to both cpu and gpu performance the boost on GPU is even bigger if its the integrated graphics

[@kingsman9659]

also, opt out for higher mhz ram instead of latency, and check your cpu´s memory controller for the max speed supported, for the i5 12450H the memory controller supports 5200mhz LPDDR5 or 4800MHZ DDR5, so check if you can get the 5200mhz memory

[@HACKDAYII]

Thanks for shotout ❤

[@zonk2391]

we literally watching laptop torture on youtube right now 😂

[@p1nstark]

in my experience, if it's playable then it scales good, if its already running garbage sadly it turns it into another kind of garbage. Even LSFG has standards i guess xD

[@Mr.Vertex]

Frame gen only works good if the hardware has enough power to the the frame interpolation, so for a mid or high end PC running a very intensive game with stuff like raytracing it's useful. That's why Quake and Half Life 2 ran so much worse with it on even though they were running smooth without it

[@Ahmadxyx89]

Nice Video man

[@SakyGTR]

You're actually pretty good as a small channel I stumbled on the recommendations, but just as other said that you're not making a room for LSFG to properly function as intended, you can change the Capturing API or limit the ingame framerate which I learned the hard way when playing ZZZ at 720p30 medium-high at 0.8 res scale while the LSFG 2.2 at X2 does the job from doubling the framerate into 60fps

[@thebigboatgaming]

Changing the capturing API didn't help at all, and neither locking the FPS would help much. This video is proof that Lossless Scaling also works without locking the FPS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6uynml3gKppb8ksi=ZH3z8XV96K1WeZI-

[@RneoXOficial]

Lossless Scaling = 60 FPS stable to play like a 120fps, under 60FPS = TRASH

[@saswatmeher05]

5:38 "you see that guys, 22fps, it is amazing". Lol 😂😂😂

[@DanHTr]

if you tuen on frame generation on this celeron, it chops your framerate into half then x2 it

[@asterion2499]

that ain't cyberpunk, that's cyberjunk

[@thebigboatgaming]

@@asterion2499 Cyberjunk 1997 😆

[@mccree8449]

Good one lmao​@@thebigboatgaming

[@Cy-by]

a pc at the level of slowness as my xbox one s with a busted hard drive

[@TanukiTan]

you can try disable the scaling, and use only the frame generation, but yea i think its not gona do anything with integrated gpu .-.

[@Kiszak94]

great video keep going

[@AzureSapphireOriginal]

Turn off scaling. You don't need it to run frame generation.

[@meyers0781]

problem is i can't even downscale Cyberpunk 2077 to 800x450 or 640x360 before it is upscaled...

[@DoublePlayReacts]

What video style is this I love it

[@androidlife2796]

Don't torture laptop 😢

[@Karlus_LeV]

I do that everyday

[@flak8842]

Biggest scam software tbh and I tried it on my mid end Laptop Tried running it with my favourite online game like war thunder and even in ULQ settings still lags And it's a 7$ scam deal

[@AA-bi7pw]

Да, lossless scaling не е много добра идея да се използва на Intel iGPU-тата или поне е също така за Lenovo T420 с i7 3520M, 8GB и HD Graphics 4000. Иначе десктопа, който имам с Pentium J2900, 8GB RAM и RX550, съм доста доволен, защото ми позволява да го използвам като fast vsync, знам, че AMD има подобрена функция, но поради някаква причина не работи. При игри като Euro Truck Simulator 1, Payday 2, Tropico 5 където процесорът не се справя много добре, поне с frame generation мога да имам по-стабилни 60 FPS (synchronization: Vsync 1/2, не знам защо при 60hz монитор се опитва да гони 120FPS на Vsync, но ok поне може да се оправи). И не съм сигурен, че Afterburner може да засича генерираните кадри, но със сигурност "реалната" производителност е една идея по-ниска, а ако имаш fps лимит в игрите и lossless scaling-a е на Vsync или 1/2, така се компенсира.

[@hecker4050]

You should do some optimisations on your laptop, on my laptop dark souls 2 without scaling with similar hardware was 45 fps

[@SparlsOfficial]

I have learned to never use scaling in that app from personal experience. It looks bad and it destroys the fps. I only use the frame generation part of it

[@thebigboatgaming]

@@SparlsOfficial It's a good idea indeed if you want to play in native resolution.

[@scandalingmusic2160]

dude my phone is more powerful then this laptop so, crazy youre able to do all this

[@surfer8438]

this potato is mashed

[@thebigboatgaming]

@@surfer8438 Good one 😆😆😆

[@idrilly5131]

My pc can't run lossless scaling

[@richardpires9839]

Bruh...you mean to tell me that sleeping dogs, yes its one of the best open world games, runs smooth as heck at 14fps? How? Some very not intensive games that I've played run low fps (when i had an old lenovo fd-8800p laptop. Now i have an rtx 3050 Intel laptop and its a beast. Everything at low and high settings runs at 144 to 225fps😊😊😊

[@Chrisbroke4L]

Hey bigboat, you should try and make saints row (2022) playble on your low end laptop, the game is pretty demanding but i think you could get it done if you ever decide to do it, have a good day though and nice video 😁👍

[@thebigboatgaming]

Trying to run a recent AAA game on my low-end laptop would make for a very interesting video indeed... Also, glad you enjoyed this video! You too have a good day!

[@beyazitk]

low graphics makes me feels sick

[@thebigboatgaming]

It's a necessary sacrifice

[@rehanakhtarkhan]

i literally thought that was fortnite with a R8 in thumbnail

[@EinarDesu]

Maybe turn off the upscaling method and only enable the frame generation?

[@kikawa2540]

pretty cool vid bud

[@hassandiamond2356]

Lol This Is Gonna Be An Nostalgia Laptop

[@muhaiminrafid3830]

"Intel Potato inside"🤣

[@arkdromaedia]

lossless scaling needs a free version..

[@Naza_RNG]

Free version with 2x frame generation + and 720p to 1080p upscale would be fine. The rest of settings available on the paid version.

[@shikikanaz4624]

as much as it seems magical. it still requires some sort of stable FPS (dev recommended at least 60fps at 1080p)

[@thebigboatgaming]

@@shikikanaz4624 Dude, the refresh rate of the monitors of both laptops that I have (the other one is a Lenovo Legion Y520) is 60 Hz

[@shikikanaz4624]

@@thebigboatgaming screen Hz doesnt really matter as long as you have a stable 60 FPS as lossless scaling is taxing on hardware

[@BoKB5]

Yo bro I'm also from Bulgaria and I also have the IdeaPad 100 but with a pentium and gt 920m

[@dramaticmudderer5208]

It doesn't work in fullscreen mode, only borderless and windowed

[@Dontgetjumped]

Aye bro is that an i9??? Nah 😂😂😂 "Intel CELERY Inside"

[@DienerNoUta]

yeah, you need to have a decent cpu to be able to upscale games unfortunately... That's what happened to me with an AMD Athlon

[@thebigboatgaming]

@@DienerNoUta And a good enough dedicated GPU

[@alixandreenova8911]

Ls is not a magic toll it needs at least 1.5 gigs of ram and the Processing power to create the frame and jojns in a "smooth" motion, ore I might be wrong. Thats it what i see in my pc and a old laptop that had a dedicated GPU

[@thebigboatgaming]

@@alixandreenova8911 Regarding the RAM, not really, but otherwise yeah. You do need a little bit of extra CPU power and especially a good enough dedicated GPU. Even the integrated Intel HD 630 of my gaming laptop's Core i7-7700HQ struggle quite a lot with Lossless Scaling compared to when using my dedicated GTX 1050.

[@stupiocity245]

Try using with upscaling. I dont think frame gen would help due to very low specs. I can't say for the upscaling if it works but try doing it

[@AgentTesla]

Omg I forgot about that program its in my download folder and it just stands there 😂😂😂

[@Sg3-n5e]

Lossless gaming isn’t part of the games code, so it won’t show the updated fps, its still only showing game fps

[@thebigboatgaming]

That is not true at all, you can use MSI Afterburner + HWiNFO (tutorial: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZSbhH1vaqdqgKs ) to monitor the Lossless Scaling FPS. Either way, you can definitely notice that it looks and feels much worse at Lossless Scaling's 15 or 30 FPS for example, than the actually much better framerate without Lossless Scaling on the laptop in the video.

[@gabrielwarley8333]

To check how this program can really work on a PC like this one, you should try with games that can actually have a good performance, if they are really well optimized. I recommend you to make tests with: Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm Revolution, CS 1.6, and Burnout Paradise (The Ultimate Box version, not the Remastered). With these 3 games I believe you can see how the program works (all the 3 games in 640x400, 640x480, or 800x600 on CS and Burnout).

[@saiyaman9000]

So pretty much its used to make smooth games smoother?

[@emogosling]

​@@saiyaman9000 yeah its basically for the type of person who can run the game at 60 FPS but has a 144hz monitor (cof cof rich people problem) but, with my experience of running Assassin's creed unity from 12 FPS to 25, the main thing you need is a minimal of 30 FPS and GPU room for lossless (you shouldnt have the game using 100% of your GPU, have it reach at the most 80%) also you WILL have input lag but the closest you get to the ideal settings in lossless, the less it will have also ghosting will happen, but the more frames you have the more source the upscaling will have to be used so less ghosting also locking your vsync to half of your actual refresh rate (judging you have a 60hz display, so 30hz) does help since it wont try to surpass 30FPS and so stuttering may be less noticeable and basically most of the videos that talk about it never show the reality this one showed because they know the problem is not saving your pc, but atleast showing that lossless DOES WORK if you cant even have 60 stable FPS. nothing is a miracle.

[@Andrea-m9z]

you need at least 30 to 60 fps to run frame generation

[@proxygamer9964]

tbf you have to play gta v at windowed on lossless scaling for a better result or at least it's what i heard.

[@proxygamer9964]

no hate but just letting you know that.

[@thebigboatgaming]

@@proxygamer9964 It doesn't matter if I used Windowed or Windowed Borderless, the performance will be exactly the same regardless.

[@ChuangDed]

I tried this in gt 610 it also lagged worse