Can Socialists and Capitalists Find Middle Ground? | Middle Ground

[@jubilee]

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[@comtass3834]

do you get paid?

[@huevosconchorizo8404]

This was unfair, on one side a bunch of college kids the capitalist and on the other a presidental candidate the socialist.

[@darrylflinch5274]

What we learn? That you need a little bit of BOTH. You definitely need socialism to REGULATE the GREED!! Or else you get BANKS who got greedy and started the stock market collapse, mortgage crisis, and recession. 2007-2010!

[@Sol.gg-x]

Chrisitans and Satanists

[@darrylflinch5274]

@@Sol.gg-x How about True Christians VS Pretend Christians (Trump) LOL

[@ahoel3814]

One mayor problem is that people in the US seem to be incapable of nuance. I'm from Norway, and I keep hearing people using my country or other Nordic countries as examples of how socialism works, and while it is true that we have a well working system, it is somewhat of a misrepresentation. The major economic concept used in in Nordic countries is capitalism, not socialism. It's just that we have collectively agreed that certain functions of society cannot be run using a capitalist model. Capitalism at it's core tries to profit off of a product. If you make humans the product, you immediately step out on shaky ethical grounds. That's why things like healthcare, education, welfare, housing, child care etc. is handled using a socialist model rather than a capitalist model in the Nordic countries. Taking the best parts of both capitalism and socialism, and getting rid of the bad parts of both, creates the best systems.

[@jdh1206]

Agree completely. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Nordic countries are a capitalist economic system with very high tax rates. The high tax rates create a large social safety net which pays for things such as healthcare. By definition this is not socialism. No country in the modern world is socialist because in no country do the people own the means of production.

[@mikkelkristensen880]

@@jdh1206 Completely correct. I am from Denmark, which, obviously, also run on the Nordic Model. Our previous PM was out correcting Sanders saying that we are NOT a socialist country, but a capitalist market based economy, with high taxes which makes out our huuuge social security net. In my opinion, when you try to profit off basic needs, such as education, healthcare et cetera, the incentives becomes wickedly screwy, and not for the better being of the people, but for the sake of profits, which the original commenter also stated. We are literally the happiest, wealthiest countries in the world, and, objectively (of course, this is also a very subjective matter) the best countries in the world, if you base it on these parametres. Why the Nordic Model isn't somewhat adopted by other nations, i can't comprehend. Sanders was a great bid at a guy who could really point things in the right direction, but unfortunately, everything that has to do with high taxes and free basic needs, is apparently communism, according to the majority of Americans.

[@jeremyanderson3819]

You were right the first time. There is no nuance in america, so when we are talking about "socialism" it could actually be anything from your social-capitalism to Maoist communism. Just like when you say capitalism you probably arent talking about the anarcho capitalism that the far right in america is visualizing.

[@TheHeartlessHeroes]

Im pretty sure what those countries have is called a social democracy, a capitialist economy which applies socialist ideas. Not to be confused with democratic socialism which is a fully socialist economy that has a democratic system of government.

[@ahoel3814]

@@TheHeartlessHeroes You're right. None of the words are very well understood by the US population. Social democrats coined the term "democratic socialism" back in the early/mid 1900's as an opposition to the authoritarian socialism in Russia at the time. The people most fond of "democratic socialism" were in fact socialists, but in the way that they supported work place democracy rather than hierarchy, equal rights and pay in the work place, and some even a socialist model of distribution of the country's resources. This is somewhat different to the social democracies of the Nordic countries, but often less different than what you would think. Though the Nordic and Scandinavian nations use a mainly capitalist economic model, the governments tend to own at least parts of the companies responsible for national resources. This is done to make sure the people of the country gets their share of the resources from their country, and the wealth isn't just given away to a few companies. That's why the Norwegian oil fund exists. Try looking up the size of it, and you'll understand why this kind of model is so benefitial to Norway's population.

[@christianestrada9934]

“Socialist on my left, capitalist on my right” ha ha I see what you did there 😂

[@blaaaaaaahhhhkathi]

Wht an American way to look onto this

[@MegaTJ009]

Struggle you’re god damn right buddy

[@DarkPyrox99]

Lolz

[@octopus8420]

@@blaaaaaaahhhhkathi I mean, it's the general way to look at it. Left is for change and right is for keeping things how they are, that's how society agreed to label it.

[@bfbvouabeorbvoaervure963]

QSA SuperSonic Things change over 150 years, my love

[@SamNicolosiOfficial]

It would be awesome if @Jubilee did less editing and let these episodes breathe a bit more. As soon as a conversation starts getting deeper, you cut it.

[@raymondstrunk4770]

Absolutely.

[@annaclares3318]

exactly. How are we supposed to have "empathy" for either side if at the exact moment that we need to see the two sides interact on a deeper level, it's *boom* on to the next question!!!

[@sbryant1993sb]

Sam Nicolosi I would love more depth, would be awesome

[@mattischastan7967]

More depth would be great indeed, but I think they cut because that's when things are getting out of hand, and people emotions and rigidity comes into play. Those moments can quickly trigger reject reflex, for the viewers, even more alienating than what those sensibles topics already carry in themselves. We got to stay focus on what they say, not how they behave as humans. Cutting out emotionnal moments seem more productive, to me, in that goal.

[@reubenthomas6988]

Even though what you say its true, it does leave the audience to think about the viewpoints stated, and I must say to their credit, the pauses after every cut-away has greatly supported this!

[@vexisvibin]

Naming your child "Liberty" is the most American concept I've ever heard

[@olivialynn3771]

I went to school with a Liberty and her sister was named Independence. Liberty is at Liberty University and I heard she wants to become a conversion therapist or convince people not to get abortions 🙄

[@minushuman1300]

it is so cringy imo

[@Ben.N]

@@minushuman1300 nah it's kinda cool imo lol

[@amirhosseinhosseinzadeh7627]

Not an American but i think i will do it one day

[@-SteampunkTraveler-]

Fr

[@bigzerofps]

How can a guy with a name like “mimi” be a socialist? Shouldnt it be “ourour”?

[@drewmusic7036]

Garrett W

[@Yourdad-tb6ch]

LOL

[@nyssaan1550]

LMAOOOO

[@Arcelaeus]

Lmaoo

[@tatordgoat4349]

You made my day.

[@80-20Spirituality]

I’m actually pretty surprised how the comment section can find more middle ground than these dudes

[@biteof78]

Not really, the comment section is clearly one sided excluding the replies

[@Igor-v7b]

@@biteof78 Not really. Most top comments, including replies, are in favor of social democracy, which is a mixture of the positive aspects of capitalism and socialism. As in, a literal "middle ground".

[@luke_222]

On every one of these we all unite against the worst guy in the discussion. In this case, Mimi

[@Sheerspeechcraft]

The comment section is almost all biased against the socialists, wtf are you talking about?

[@gavinlybert7756]

Yell at the commies in the video

[@TheAleJRZ]

“Can I get the socialists on my left and the capitalists on my right?” he knows what he’s doing

[@Jerbt]

LOL

[@Jerbt]

But there are right wing socialists (Had to edit everyone I'm just joking lol it is contradictory)

[@KyleHarmieson]

@@Jerbt Literally impossible.

[@editingvideosforyoutubersr5553]

Jerry Xu that’s like saying there can be athiest christians, two completely sided of the spectrum

[@loadless2265]

@@Jerbt you can't seriously believe that? For the sake of my wellbeing I sincerely hope you are joking.

[@gogoki7425]

i feel like these people discussed capitalism and socialism on a really basic level of understanding, being money. There is so much more to it that just money and the economy, it also has a cultural and ideological understanding that looks at the individual and the collective in society.

[@Sanjana-cg7qx]

Yeah I actually don’t think half of them know what capitalism/socialism is, especially comparatively on a global scale. There is so much nuance within capitalism and socialism, and most Nordic countries that Mimi mentioned are actually a social democracy which leans more on the capitalist side, but applies socialist models to certain aspects of society that are deemed basic necessities for all people.

[@onniruusunen9444]

@@Sanjana-cg7qx yes. It's stupidity and disgrace to my country and other nordic countries to call them socialists. If you put focus education, healthcare with socialists models but other way it's capitälist then it is capitalist society. You don't give people free stuff but give them what gives them opportunity / more opportunities. Proves that americans don't know even what socialists/capitalists mean. And the understanding is high in those on compared to what liberal means

[@jrus690]

These people are discussing the wrong things: it Liberalism vs Socialism, that is the political spectrum. Capitalism is the movement of capital, it is not a political thing.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@jrus690 Have you seen 'Second Thought'? Or at least his video 'Is Capitalism even Efficient??'

[@FM-dm8xj]

your forgetting governemnt control. the biggest factor

[@faktafakta316]

As a person from Sweden and have lived in both Danmark and Norway I can confidently say they are not "socialist" they are liberal democracies" . Social democratic parties in the Nordic countries actually accept capitalism and market economy as a tool. The system is not based around equality of outcome it's based around equality of opportunity. With safety nets, free college, free dental care and medicare for all. I have noticed that a lot of people in US call themselves democratic socialist but their beliefs actually fall under social democracy and social liberalism which is very different.

[@tomasvrabec1845]

THtat is because Social Democracy is not actuary under the socialist umbrella but under the Capitalist umbrella despite its name.

[@OniNoFro]

also if memory serves, didn't Sweden shift away from a socialist economic model (of governance) to a more capitalist one with socialist undertones in the ... 90s?

[@faktafakta316]

@@OniNoFro right-wing waves started to effect Sweden around the 1970 and then it escalated in the 90s. The escalation began with the famous model "new public management". which made it so bureaucratic/ Public Administration started to shrink. The government started selling a lot of "state-owned monopolies. The economy was simply liberalized and the market became more free. The only monopoly the state still controls are alcohol and games. Last thing that really made Sweden liberal was when we entered EU. There is a law within EU that say there "must be a free market economy" which effected Sweden heavily. I'm not saying this is all good btw NPM have flaws which are very annoying, maybe it went too far but the system Sweden had in the 70s is not something I would want to go back to. The tax system was kinda broken. -However there is a interesting fact which is- since the 70s the middle class haven't grown, it's been stagnated for a while now. And most people don't know this but Sweden is actually a tax paradise. There is no what you would call "Robin Hood Tax" nor inheritance tax nor capital tax. Because Sweden is a tax paradise lots of millionaires and billionaires live here, if you look per capita we have second most billionaires and 3rd most millionaires in the world. This is obviously still very good for Sweden because even if rich people don't pay what you may say "their fair share of taxes" they will pay a lot which pay for Sweden's social program which helps the poor. So if you are an American it's problematic to have Sweden as your ideal model because we have to adapt to EU. USA should do it's own thing and if you believe like I do in "equality for opportunity" vote for free college and safety nets and try fix your private insurance. BTW you are a legend if you read all of this idk why i typed so much

[@HW-es4dg]

Tom Vrabec That’s not true search it up dude

[@i3rucei3ruce]

@@HW-es4dg It's true

[@brunodec]

I just found out that Mimi, the older socialist, has passed away about a month ago. Even though I don't agree with his ideals, I respect the fact that he fought for what he believed to be right. Rest in peace.

[@lona9461]

May his soul rest in peace

[@InTheSix22]

:( rest in power

[@danjakuu]

RIP

[@RedLogicYT]

@Remember Lord Jesus Pray the Rosary yeah uh guy was kinda an asshole

[@Schweizer_Politik]

@@RedLogicYT he was rkght with the things he said. And i mean. You have a room there full woth young people. They all arent realy expirienced. And you are a person that absolutely knows what your talking about i think you get annoyed when thise people say the same fals things that capitalists said 40 years ago. There are many contras against socialism. But those people just used things that are wrong

[@stoopidimnotgonletyougetth1066]

No offense but the capitalists weren’t very informed or knowledgeable when it came to defending their ideology. They should’ve looked for older capitalists like they did with socialists or at least find college students who know what they’re talking about instead of kids who use “human nature” or “culture” in every argument.

[@3P1C_G4M3R5]

Yeah jubilee is mega biased

[@ace-dj1dm]

true true

[@boringmanager9559]

but they still made better arguments, so I don't fully understand what you mean. Sure, they could have defeated socialists way more impressive, but a win is a win

[@stoopidimnotgonletyougetth1066]

Boring Manager they didn’t “win” lol. Most of their arguments were based in unsubstantiated philosophical speculation than actual legitimate criticisms of socialism.

[@boringmanager9559]

@@stoopidimnotgonletyougetth1066 lol, like there's not enough "legitimate criticisms of socialism"! you should learn this stuff by yourself, society doesn't have to teach you how to hold spoon or wash your hands after toilet

[@aka.nikich1506]

I would love to see this again with people who know what socialism and capitalism is.

[@dargkkast6469]

But that's not what this channel wants, it's yellow press, they only want you to click. And if they can push an idea, even better. Just from the very beginning, the "capitalist" side each were saying their professions while the "socialist" side were saying that they were socialist. What?

[@CRank3103]

It seems as though they only have a very limited concept of their economic ideas and haven’t asked themselves the complex questions that would arise if going completely one way or the other.

[@CRank3103]

Mimi specifically cited a socialist concept as a being capitalist and a terrible thing.

[@manuellanthaler2001]

@@dargkkast6469 i dont get what you are saying while at the same time not wanting to read it again. But when I was watching the video I thought the Socialists were being depicted better. So do you agree?

[@SorrowAvenue]

I would love to see fascists (philosophical moderates not skinheads) and capitalists debate.

[@shmarlo3203]

People say something* Mimi: that is such an over used argument and a massive fallacy. However I will not provide any other information

[@theangelastorga9625]

Every socialist ever

[@FoDaddy]

Also Mimi @12:45 Lemme tell you about oppression, exploitation, and racism....

[@vincenzorutigliano5435]

That is how politicians in Latin America talk.

[@vincenzorutigliano5435]

@mastersleib the difference is that in north America and Europe , the people don't help the government to become a dictatorship

[@wadehatch8720]

im a socialist and he pissed me off lol

[@Connor1029384]

Jubliee casting coordinator: Let's choose the president of the Socialist party to represent the Socialists. Jubilee Admin: Sounds great! Who's gonna represent the Capitalists? Jubliee casting coordinator: Random college students who study anything but economics. Jubilee Admin: Perfect!

[@braydendahl8568]

Biased they do it with the feminist vs men’s rights, and republican vs Democrat middle grounds as well

[@VNDR.W]

And the socialists still made asses of themselves.

[@TheNSJaws]

@@VNDR.W ^ this, lmao like goddamn, lmao

[@Inanothertimeandspace]

Like all of these productions (and most media in general), this one is strongly left biased.

[@boaty401]

@@sbaeneg4738 they're arguments were ass.

[@Hellcat-to3yh]

My god, as a socialist, I could’ve defended capitalism better than these people.

[@bricepettiford7419]

@@jeffgraham9710 socialism is not communism it is the middle of capitalism and communism a middle ground and social democracy(which most socialists want as do I) it is in between socialism and capitalism. Social democracy is no where near communism

[@lane1776]

True.. Soo wimpy a defense of something that has raised the standard of living to what it is today

[@darealpoopster]

@@bricepettiford7419 Absolutely not. Well, not according to Marx, at least. Socialism is a stepping stone to Communism according to Marx. Where the government takes control of all property and the means of production, so that the workers can soon own it

[@jeffgraham9710]

@@bricepettiford7419 Good point

[@bricepettiford7419]

@@bubbadeaux9625 socialism is not everything is free socialism is when the people that work for a company own the company so if you worked and Wells Fargo you would own a sliver of Wells Fargo if that makes sense

[@chickenskink1]

Love how Americans think Scandinavian countries aren't capitalist lmfao

[@jono6472]

Norway is literally running on one of the largest sovereign wealth fund that’s why they can do what they do

[@angryyordle4640]

@@jono6472 Norway has extreme amounts of oil and isnt being sanctioned by anybody so they can freely sell it. Also european nation that benefits from the remnants of colonialism. That's why they're so rich

[@blackwater7183]

@@angryyordle4640 I mean the US has extreme amounts of everything. Lol. The land of milk and honey (only accessible for the rich though).

[@cpt7752]

@@angryyordle4640 Lmao, you leftists spout about colonialism so much. Tell me, how does Norway benefit from the remnants of colonialism? Norway never had any colonies or colonized any land. In fact, Norway was conquered and colonized by Denmark, my country.

[@angryyordle4640]

@@cpt7752 Outsourcing to the third world for cheap labour or straight up slavery. Norway didn't have their own colonies, but they benefit from the remnants of the colonialism that the english, french, spanish and so on committed. They are participating in the exploitation of the third world. With every company that produces in another country for cheap labour, part of the profits of that labour go to said country, trapping the third world countries in an endless cycle of lesser development. And if they try to change this the US or other first world governments sends their military or covertly trains and funds reactionary opposition forces. This concept is known as imperialism.

[@jennaelizabeth2742]

As a college student who works part-time, maintains a good gpa, and can afford school... I do not consider myself successful because I have crippling anxiety and endless stress to maintain my job and college. Just because on paper I look good, doesn’t mean IM doing good.

[@janaejackson9683]

‼️‼️‼️

[@lucychavner2827]

success is subjective, i hope you get where you want to be dude:)

[@gray334]

I was like you when I was in college, working a full time job while doing fulltime school so i do know what its like do go though what you are. if you are able to do all that with your crippling anxiety and endless stress I strongly believe later on in life if you give it your all you can be very successful ngl.

[@computerlearingchannel4257]

The funny thing is college is socialism in nature them professor always seem to be pushing socialist ideology while they steal your money 🤣

[@SefniAsheforr]

Could be worse, you could be in a forced labor camp to meet industrial quotas with no individual choice over what you want to pursue in your life since the collective has specific needs to make it work.

[@samuelcalderon3032]

Dude with the blue cap is trying way to hard to be the “mysterious anime character”

[@selenespoiler]

Sc Piano omg true 😹

[@thebearcouncil8810]

Oh that's what he was doing? I thought he was just shy.

[@Daniel-ho4xj]

sauske from naruto

[@akagrimreaper6702]

I think he is just shy.

[@damiensoubassis2738]

@SciFyerGaming mafia boss wouldn't be a capitalist??? I don't know of a more free market than the black market

[@burn0ut995]

Socialism isn't the same as a social democracy. I live in Sweden and get a bit like agitated when bernie for instance calls us socialists

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

Sorry but Socialists are idiots. They don't even know what they are preaching for or what the term Socialism means. They just think Socialism = government programs not what it actually means (government ownership of the means of production)

[@burn0ut995]

What? I never made the point that socialism is a positive system of government. I said that I get frustrated when people mix up socialism and social democracy. Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of poduction. Social democracy is often characterized with high taxes and free education, healthcare Etc.@@AdamSmith-gs2dv

[@thegigadykid1]

You guys are socialist mixed with capitalist.

[@thegigadykid1]

@@AdamSmith-gs2dv no capitalist are retarded. Unless you're wealthy or trying to be wealthy other that you're not a true capitalist

[@YoshiOombaa]

The ideologies are just so much different when it comes to the american liberals, socialists or conservatives and the Nordic liberals, socialists or conservatives. For example is Denmark its mostly Socialists vs Liberals. Conservatives almost dont exist here because we our society is built Up on a whole other history. The ideologies just have different meanings here than they do in America

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

We need this again, but with more diversity and people who actually know what they’re talking about. And about a 1-2 hour video, maybe even 3.

[@Alessandro-lx1ug]

@Z all three

[@w...7035]

@Genaral racist I mean yeah, because these white liberals tend to claim capitalism is racist, (or vice versa) so it would be interesting to see if someone who actually experience this “racism” or “lack there of” to actually debate this topic.

[@lilianka3943]

Omg, yes. This was horrible to watch. Also hilarious how naive the capitalist crew appears to be, but that's nothing new

[@jrus690]

We need some people who do not argue Socialism vs Capitalism. It is Socialism vs Liberalism, but the term Liberal is often confused with everything else.

[@applenuggets662]

No I prefer it like this, I ain’t got 1-2 hours

[@jensenhowell2827]

People don’t get that the Scandinavian countries have a capitalist economy. Like one of the most capitalist society. Save Norway they have that oil fund that makes everyone rich

[@praapje]

Yep, Scandinavian (and other European) countries are capitalist societies with social programs.

[@johnrobinson2228]

They have capitalist economies with high taxes that result it more socialization. Social safety net, public services etc

[@jonathanfedericogasperinik1183]

Well yeah as a Dane, we are a capitalist country. But with a big safety net I think you can say. I thinks its called Social Capitalism but not sure.

[@alexcrixell7265]

@@jonathanfedericogasperinik1183 one big safety net is having America protect you with our military.

[@rebeccamadsen4509]

Like people have written the economy in my country (sweden) and nordic countries is capitalistic. I think what I like about our country that would fall under socialism is perhaps the free healthcare and education, everyone pays high taxes so that everyone can have a chance to get good education and healthcare. That doesn't mean I care about random strangers. It might sound harsh but I really don't care about people other than my friends and family, I pay my taxes for the good of the people in my country and I want our citizens to be able to have all these stuff available but it's not on a personal level if that makes sense, I guess I just think that more good comes out of us helping each other to takw care of our society than being completely self centered but I would still agree with the "all humans are inherently selfish" it just depends on what important to each individual

[@alexmsevans]

Social Democracies (like the Scandinavian countries) are NOT Socialist!!! They are heavily regulated forms of Capitalism, but that is not the same thing!

[@MrNordicnicklas]

True. It's the middle ground and the reason why it works.

[@SuperRadChad]

Damn right. Capitalist economy with heavy social programs

[@coopsnz1]

@@criticalricetheory Middle class has shrunk in Denmark a decade , because that's was Democratic socialism does taxes middle class the most , middle class buy homes , buy expensive cars like m4 , rs4 , c63s the taxed 100% in Denmark . Watch Mikkel Clair Nissen on KZbin

[@richardperez6945]

They have clean air and water, they emphasize education and no one goes broke paying medical bills. What they have is called "working".

[@phyxzius]

I wish I could give you 10 Likes! Just by moment the first guy started with an example of Norway, nothing he said made sense. Even Scandinavian politicians have had to explain to Americans that they are not socialist, but people like this guy refuse to listen

[@Mick_Unfiltered]

Mimi didn’t make any points, his arguments were all “your side is wrong” but never explained why his is right

[@Dbjjr26]

@Edgar Barcelona what a profound insight.

[@drumsnbari80]

the democratic party in a nutshell

[@phildiop8248]

It's cause his side is not right. *It's on the left*

[@eyezuel5307]

It's a fourteen minute video. If you want info on why it's right you can do some research. I recommend badmouseproductions and peter coffin

[@Mick_Unfiltered]

EyeZuel 14 minutes of a man displaying cynicism but not offering any alternative solutions, I’m not saying the other side doesn’t have any just that this man is incompetent

[@redfox8078]

I burst out laughing when she said "it's hardly worth my time if you have all the facts and we know nothing" and they guy just said "sure"

[@toon_ami2153]

That guy with the hat is every mysterious anime character...

[@aricm5973]

Did not speak more than three times lol.

[@aaronfong5030]

He's just high af.

[@Shalomekai]

😂😂😂😂

[@karlfiehler6053]

Back in the 80s, I asked my friend from Soviet Russia how he felt living there. He said he couldn't complain.

[@benjaminpark5460]

Underrated joke

[@jalepenopvp2300]

Ba dum tssssss

[@methodOW]

Now I feel bad for him

[@nholrknrjrk]

Lmao

[@Super-yw7ss]

Karl Fiehler - but I heard the currency was worth way less, currency went down a lot, was that the 90’s in USSR.

[@ashwinbabu1426]

Mimi died in June RIP

[@Daniel-qb3ki]

@@rileyfriend imagine taking time to thank god for an innocent person's life. how sick and wicked

[@MrMusashiMusashi]

@@rileyfriend Thank you for revealing what a terrible human being you are. You should link your Facebook so we can all know who you are so we can avoid you at all costs. It's amazing someone like you can exist in a world that only functions because of people working together and yet, ironically, you don't even recognize it. Have fun in your ignorance...waiting on that Facebook link.

[@MrMusashiMusashi]

@@rileyfriend Nope, wrong. Self righteousness would mean we believed we had positions that were greater than the AVERAGE. We don't. We think we have moral superiority over YOU. Since you aren't the average that isn't self-righteous at all. You clearly don't have any idea what that phrase means so I suggest stopping all usage of it until you know what it means. I'm pointing out that you are a terrible person because you are displaying sociopathic behaviors. Celebrating the death of a person just because your ideologies don't match up is an insane display of callousness in this context. I speculate that you'd be just like those people that got arrested after storming the Capitol and ended up apologizing for their actions, lol. Regardless of if you post your information you'll likely continue being a giant douche in real life. Things will eventually come around to you and you'll remember this whether you admit it or not. Good luck with your personality disorder...

[@elliott7630]

@@rileyfriend Grow up

[@NikkiCaswell]

Unfortunately, some people here seem to not know the decency to distinguish on disliking someone's political alignments no matter how repulsive they may be, and the showing humanity for when tragedy happens. RIP to Mimi.

[@MrTKSKT]

I love middle ground, but i hate that they cut the conversations so short, let people get deep into the debate.

[@val3454]

Yes, I dont mind if they do this with less important issues but damn. Socialism vs capitalism? Some of the most important political aspects of our existence? 15 minutes? They cant be serious

[@tionnamorton8543]

Fr I expecting chairs being throw from heated arguments 😂. Just joking but I wanted to see if they were able to maintain remain calm and sharing without personal attacks and getting offended from others views

[@IcelandJedi]

I love it when socialists mention the nordic countries, I live in a nordic country and our economy is entirely capitalist. Our govenrments have socialist elements, like free healthcare and education but we are still living in capitalist nations and I love it.

[@sydneemikumuren9812]

it's funny bc right wingers basically think that's communism or something..

[@ishaun707]

Sydnee Mikumuren No, no we don’t.

[@beverlywilliams8458]

@@sydneemikumuren9812 The goal of socialism is communism- Vladimir Lenin

[@marciaosullivan3200]

@@sydneemikumuren9812 we don't

[@cicicuku6655]

Jóhann Thorsteinsson I live in a Nordic country too. It’s called a social democracy. That’s what people want, not socialism. And capitalists are scared because they know social democracy is the way to go.

[@kaylaswa3937]

They should have each stated what they think is socialism and capitalism-- they clearly have different definitions what they are talking about

[@mona-checkoutmychannel7656]

Therefore, this argument is void... Lol

[@bryanstrider]

Better yet, capitalists should be made to define socialism that the socialists would be happy to sign off on. Vice versa. r/steelmanning

[@kadz3597]

Two truths: 1. Equal doesn't mean fair. 2. They not paying you for how hard you working. They paying you for how difficult it is to replace you.

[@richardperez6945]

@r .ra 1. Ambiguous 2. Irrelevant

[@YouFoundMe4567]

1st of all having open borders had literally nothing to do with wether we are capitalist or not 2nd of all you do realize China is literally adopting capitalism into its major cities because of how poorly socialism is working for them.

[@YouFoundMe4567]

Borders do not equal socialism you can be a socialist country and have borders you can also be a capitalist country and have borders I don’t thonk you understand anything about socialism or have any idea what I’m talking about because you didn’t answer either of my questions and your response is completely incompetent if you even read my reply

[@misterbeen1272]

@r .ra America is superior to every other country that ever existed in the history of human civlilization change my mind

[@Victor10wang]

@r .ra Borders has nothing to do with economic systems. Your idea of freedom is anarchy, you think capitalism=anarchy. You are an idiot

[@bradfoster8146]

Do this one again, but with actual economists and real experts on the subjects and make it like 45 mins.

[@genericwhitekidthesecond4330]

I want Lenin, Marx, and Mao on the stand goddammit!

[@ZootedSosa]

They don’t do that for ent of their other videos really so idk why they would just for this

[@winstonchurchill8491]

There are no communist economists

[@soulcapitalist6204]

It would spoil the fun. This "great debate" of capitalism vs socialism is actually a settled matter and no arguments survive for "collective control of the means of production". There is no way for socialists to support that totalitarian position of authority when the results have been horrible for the collective's members and the function of economy.

[@voicelessglottalfricative6567]

Marx, Lenin, and Mao vs. Smith, Reagan, and Thatcher

[@ferox3994]

Norway is not socialist by any means... It’s a “free market” nation, that through financial success was able to bolster its social welfare program. Travel, immerse yourself, educated yourself and step away from bias rhetoric.

[@benjaminpark5460]

Yeah, most people who talk about the Norway model know that. I don’t know about this old dude in the video though. Obviously capitalist success increases tax revenue to create a social safety system that works for the people. They aren’t socialists, but they are to the left of the United States. Most everyone on the left, excluding the communists, want the Norway model. They are called socialists here as a slur so they lean into it.

[@sywitz]

Your looking for the term democratic socialism and I think most socialists in the US are i.e. Bernie Sanders

[@jaycesteele6938]

FEROX The guy in the video never said that Norway was socialist. He called it a “social democracy”. I’m not sure how that is biased rhetoric. It seems like a pretty reasonable label to me.

[@reinforced9084]

Jayce Steele as someone who lives in Europe, I can tell you that we all consider Norway a social democracy. Social democracy is a concept that has been adapted to suit Scandinavian needs and it is working very well for them. Social democracy has a lot of socialist ideals and if you look at Finland (a social democracy more people are familiar with), you can really see socialist ideals shine with everyone being educated, free health care etc.

[@jaycesteele6938]

VioZo Of course! I completely agree with you. My point was that the original commenter in this thread suggested that the speaker in the video was being disingenuous by labeling Norway as “socialist” to support his socialist ideology. But the speaker in the video never called Norway socialist, he called it a social democracy, and used it as an example of how socialist POLICIES can be implemented and be successful, even when the system retains capitalist elements. The original commenter accused the guy in the video of falsely over-generalizing, and I was saying that he wasn’t over-generalizing, just presenting an example of places that have tested policies consistent with his ideology.

[@deb8bro]

I think it would be beneficial for the Jubilee Crew to stress to the participants that this is not a debate. A lot of them seem to hold on to their beliefs in the hopes that they will “win” at the end, but there’s nothing to win. It’s a discussion, and the hope is that people come out of it with more open minds. I think that they should focus on their own personal beliefs more, instead of what they believe is right based on what society has said. All of these people seem like they’re arguing to be proven correct, but the entire point of this is that they are trying to truly analyze and understand the other side, whether that be so they can join the other side, or so they can strengthen their own arguments. This isn’t about trying to prove your point to people who doesn’t agree with you, because that will never work. Instead, you should explain to the participants that the goal is to present and discuss their arguments, so that they all go home with a better understanding of the other side.

[@gerffreg6390]

but we as viewers can find the middle ground. It's hard if you're the one talking to talk about opinions and not give and defend your own opinion

[@vascor.3267]

I completely agree with you

[@diegodehaan9755]

Bob Boberson i don’t know, i think that kind of goes against what i like about this series. it isn’t just people stating they opinions, it an conversation where people can try to hold up their arguments and ideas to someone with a completely different mindset.

[@j.m.edwards3425]

That's the one downside to Middle Ground is most of the time we just hear a couple of opinions then on the next question. Opinions needt to be challenged.

[@borihenna2014]

Niels Fraikin idk in a perfect world I guess this would work but I have never seen a discussion where people aren’t trying to prove them self correct. Because if u believe something enough to talk about it, u have an argument to back it up. Idk how u would have a discussion with opposing sides without it having elements of debate.

[@michaelwrest7545]

Can we redo this one with other people who can create an argument

[@robbedeboer2728]

Treu exept for Mimi no one was really or contributing or good arguments

[@michaelwrest7545]

I'll give it to mimi for contributing but he had no argument he based everything on emotion and no facts

[@rhodesianwojak2550]

Antifa Yikes. The left cares about feelings and love, not facts. Redistributing wealth to people who haven't worked for it is theft.

[@rhodesianwojak2550]

Capitalism isn't funelling money into the Military. The government is. Mimi is wrong.

[@sl4sh368]

so your saying the government ISN'T paying about 639 billion dollars to the defense?

[@taylorw.914]

I worked in a low paying food industry for 5 years and honestly it was the most depressed I’ve ever felt.

[@ivanstoqnov3441]

Imagine the power of capitalist propaganda to be able to convince some people that's "doing well in life"

[@masterhodir890]

or here's a thought maybe instead of being a pathetic self pitying mess you take the steps needed to find a better career or to get the skills to move to an entirely different profession

[@PG-3462]

@@ivanstoqnov3441 In a perfectly socialist society, you would need people to do the same job. How is that any different?

[@ivanstoqnov3441]

@@PG-3462 Really? You think miserable minimum wage 8hour fast food job will exist in a perfect socialist system?

[@julietrossemount6853]

@@ivanstoqnov3441 meanwhile in cuba people are working making 50 USD a month. Be grateful.

[@adam67bree]

Wouldn't it be better to have a middle ground with people who know more about the subject? Historians etc, who are experts. There's almost no actual content in this conversation

[@076657]

You're asking for content from socialists. A mindset that should only be had by 5 year olds who want things to "be nice".

[@Millionsofpeas]

That is a stretch passerell. If anything, socialists tend to be overeducated.

[@076657]

Not a stretch, I am not talking about wether youve studied or not. If you study a whole career based on a childish mindset, you have that childish mindset. Socialism is exactly that, a mother as the government. Also it doesn't take into account real world dynamics, it just has an ideal objective which destroys the whole system. We can't all be the same worth, let the doctor get pay more than the garbageman.

[@MrInkblots]

passerell have you ever read a single book written by a socialist?

[@michaelzhou2422]

passerell read “the communist manifesto”

[@tristinjudd2595]

The fact that Mimi can be the leader of anything should speak volumes about how far we can go in life.

[@Polymath2B]

Why does this have so little likes?!? Major roast and wise words, not to mention the user name checks out...

[@tvesrb]

Even the joker's not crazy enough to believe in socialism!

[@hbombfreak]

He’s ran as the candidate for the American Socialist Party, which I’m guessing he was the only member of. Not even the Communist Party of America takes MiMi seriously.

[@rosebud4467]

Best comment!

[@soguyswedidit1148]

I dont hear a refutation, just slander. Please reply with timestamps and explain his ideas as well as your own.

[@jacobjaniga5364]

When the girl in yellow snapped back at him I legit stumbled cause she seems so nice and like she doesn’t confront people... then she did

[@oopalonga]

she pwnt him imo

[@javionbuffington]

Big Chungus she was def intimidates by what he “knew” she couldn’t articulate as well so whatever she “knew” was useless.

[@michaelarchbold2129]

Good for her

[@Anon1376642]

To bad she failed to make a decent argument.

[@Anon1376642]

@@PeterFlanagan0987 Ah, I kind of agree with you there though, he (the bearded fellow) didn't have many good arguments either. It was clear he was not trying to convince or meet these capitalists in some way.

[@joshdepaola4002]

The fact they found the most socialist looking socialist and the most capitalist looking capitalist just blows my mind and makes me laugh

[@fury3029]

Girl: “If you have all the facts then why do we even bother?” Mimi: *yes*

[@x.Gerry.Rival.x]

Well she could've taken it as a learning moment. Do you think she was being sarcastic? IDK

[@fury3029]

Gerry Rival I just think Mimi is funny

[@janaaeborn4999]

@@x.Gerry.Rival.x Wait was it really sarcasm?? I couldn't tell I was so confused with her the whole timefewihf

[@ofanichan]

Janaa Moderato yes. She basically said that because the point of the show is finding a middle ground, but he just refused to listen to the other side just to bring down facts

[@janaaeborn4999]

Cerulia ah I see

[@RedLogicYT]

Ah yes, how fitting that the girl debating for capitalism is named liberty. Edit: I don't usually do edits to comments almost three months later.. but many of you said I was being sarcastic. I wasn't. Fuck socialism. Capitalism is the system with the greatest individual freedom there is. My comment was that capitalism = liberty, and NOT in a sarcastic way. Hope that cleared the confusion :)

[@ryanlocke1117]

Not really

[@earthwax7946]

It’s great

[@communistpenguin4347]

Really ironic

[@teerificbitch]

This can only be sarcasm. So name me a single system that promotes liberty and individualism more than Capitalism?

[@jodaco3869]

Dude Trust Me communism

[@anthonyvigil7567]

I freaking love that the girl who is a capitalist is named liberty

[@travisrhodus1362]

Everyday is opposite day for wingnuts..

[@anthonyvigil7567]

Travis Rhodus like when SJWs will say how they are not racist but will be extremely racist and say the most horrific slurs to people. And will demand for policies that will harm black and brown people and will demand For the most oppressive government in history to have more power all while doing it under the party for slavery, KKK and Jim Crow... insane

[@travisrhodus1362]

@@anthonyvigil7567 lol

[@travisrhodus1362]

@@anthonyvigil7567 So the so-called SJW(a term solely used by & invented for wingnuts) & the southern capitalists of the 1800s are indecipherable to you? Also that those southern racists didn't tack an R next to their name? Interesting view of history you have there 😅

[@travisrhodus1362]

@@anthonyvigil7567 They are massively pro war pro poverty as they say that...

[@chrisgriffin1380]

I like how they got three extremely unqualified (not in a bad way) individuals to speak on capitalism.

[@noahlago349]

because Jubilee has a massive left wing bias

[@DBV-iu1qw]

i was thinking the same. the arguments of the socialists were so bad even someone who has barely scratched the surface of economics could destroy them. yet those people were more ''apolitical'' than capitalists.

[@noahlago349]

@fastrally bruh they had the socialist party leader wdym average socialists

[@AA-jz1rh]

The first thing I noticed about the vid was when the capitalists introduced themselves they stated their place of education/their qualifications. I don’t know much about capitalism vs socialism I will admit I’m not strongly opinionated on either side, but it touched on an issue that exists in capitalism (in my country) you find that people who are classed as ‘skilled workers’ so people who have degrees etc are more deserving of a larger wage than someone who is working in a job that is all manual labour that is classed as ‘unskilled’.

[@noahlago349]

@fastrally certainly not. how could you possibly believe that to be true? it is clear the capitalist societies are farm more prosperous than a purely socialist society. I don’t know how anyone could possible debate that

[@تججفقجب]

On one side we have Karl Marx reincarnated and on the other the physical embodiment of the Statue of Liberty

[@Wyonite]

On the socialist side they also have che Guevara’s avatar. Wanting revolution.

[@josephguerreso871]

😂

[@3iknet327]

I mean, one of them literally is named "Liberty"

[@gunjfur8633]

@@3iknet327 The statue represents USAs liberty from Brittan specifically

[@maxmead077]

Ready? Fight!

[@leonorerochlitz]

I work with children and they're the most selfish people I've ever seen.

[@JackTheBat179]

I have too And I have to say they are easier to teach than adults

[@michellemarie1197]

Lol right? I worked in a daycare and toddlers are the most selfish people on the planet and they dont even know whats going on

[@amysofia5783]

Lol and on the flip side the capitalists had a really good point. The societies that are most harmonious and invests the most in their own social structures DO tend to be less ethnically diverse, like Norway, Japan, Korea, Switzerland, Finland, etc..

[@giovalladares1022]

Amy Sofia besides being homogenous all those countries aren’t paying for half of the worlds military. Some of them barely invest anything in their own military. Can you imagine if America was completely neutral and played an isolationist role in the world? All that military spending would solve a lot of problems here. That will never happen though. Utopias don’t exist in this world

[@hnassian]

Leonore... If you work with children and blame children for their behavior without understanding their environment and the people who jave shaped their behavior, please stop working with children. You do not understand sociology ir psychology for your presence around children to benefit them.

[@thewaynereport3313]

Mimi is the guy at the family dinner when everyone is talking about football and he brings up socialism

[@krystafed427]

The Wayne Report He reminds me of my cousin, just older. Both straight up annoying and living in a bubble while complaining about everything.

[@somerandomtexan6989]

Yes! He’s the guy when your talking about the cowboys game he’s shouting about marks to your dad from the Soviet Union

[@boujiatexas1870]

Mimi looks like he got into socialism because he thought it would get him pussy but that didnt work so now hes 40 and bitter

[@carneyrealestateteamatkell8675]

@@boujiatexas1870 and still trying to get laid

[@dustinstewart1194]

Why is that so accurate! Whenever the conversation steers towards something very American like Football, or Cars, or fast food that’s when the socialist in the family decides to make the conversation about socialism.

[@edd2184]

The guy in the glasses had the best point. The second you stop listening, or hearing the opinions of what you feel contrary to you lose. There is no growth without understanding, walking around with both fingers in your ears trying to be the loudest in the room accomplishes nothing. You become a echo chamber of your own thoughts and ideals.

[@bayb7219]

Something I noticed is that everyone that was a socialist stated they were a socialist in the beginning, while the capitalists said something about themselves other than their political view. Just an observation

[@good-tn9sr]

n s xD agree with the second half bro

[@RandomPerson-nd2ey]

@n s Agree with the whole statement there. In my view, both sides understand that providing value creates wealth. Speaking in general, capitalists have the competence and confidence in being able to provide that value. Socialists don't have that confidence so they don't try, instead demanding that they deserve to take from those who do. If they put forth the effort, they would be proud of their accomplishments instead. A major reason Socialism fails is that those who work and have their profits and pride of ownership stripped of them don't want to keep putting in the effort for nothing. If a soldier, truck driver, fire fighter, cop, etc no longer gets incentivised by a paycheck, pride (being commanded to instead of enlisting), etc. for the danger and other sacrifices they make then why not flip burgers? Hell, if you give the same money to those "unwilling to work" like some have argued then why would anyone work at all?

[@uas8470]

@n s wtf are you talking about. They told that they are socialist because they thought that they should tell which side they are.

[@uas8470]

@n s you can't call these people socialists. Their ideology is far from socialism.

[@uas8470]

@n s Says the guy who has no idea what socialism is and just listens to propaganda

[@ocular-22]

Breaking news: their common ground is the fact that they can recognize that they had a conversation

[@elmo9726]

Doubt it. The yellow shirt girl is lost.

[@Monstercycleryder]

The common ground is everybody likes to make money.

[@reallilnasx1459]

@@Monstercycleryder based

[@wazzzzzappeeps4170]

Mimi didn’t make a single point. He just threw out vague statements looking to gain support without and foundation for what he’s saying

[@donnygv27]

Did you guys not watch the video lol

[@wazzzzzappeeps4170]

donnygv27 we did and we strongly believe Mimi made no valid points

[@andrewmathis7072]

@Logan Waltz Do you think you could explain to me in your view the true factual flaws of socialism and its implementation in the United States for me? I don't really support it myself but would love to hear your view.

[@mikelafo-3564]

@@donnygv27 You blind

[@LinneAzalea]

He made many points and based off of facts. Like didn't you see the video?

[@georgemx4136]

This is so chill i wanna see them rip each-other apart like in flat earthers vs scientists

[@slevinchannel7589]

Have you seen 'Second Thought'?

[@georgemx4136]

@@slevinchannel7589 yes and hakim

[@mjatriumxironreign8969]

@@georgemx4136 me too bro

[@sarahhussam2759]

😂

[@screamingapple6195]

Just look at presidential debates then

[@robpeters4284]

Norway is not socialist! They have a free market society, stop using them as a example. Denmark denounced socialism and wants people to stop lying about them.

[@ciaraleonard5345]

he said social democracy, not socialism :)

[@hakonarnar6508]

Hahahaha norway is one of the most capitalist country our there

[@ciaraleonard5345]

Hakon Arnar did he say Finland or Norway?

[@hakonarnar6508]

@@ciaraleonard5345 who?

[@ciaraleonard5345]

Hakon Arnar the guy in the video. i don’t feel like rewatching to see which country he called a social democracy lmao

[@yankeedoodle1194]

I love the fact that her name is liberty and she is a capitalist

[@malloy6400]

Yankee doodle Ik it’s perfect

[@caolan3202]

Completely different thing

[@mightbeahuman3442]

yeah, perfect

[@maeg.9123]

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not... but if you are I have several problems with this

[@theminecraftprime1]

that implies there is no liberty in socialism and that there is in capitalism. People stereotype ideals like socialism with "no liberty". Way to much

[@rileybarthell5510]

I can see why Mimi didn’t go very far in the presidential race

[@UnusualAI_]

He looks like Marx 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@chumplafayette9561]

@Michael Ward a lot of his points were just common sense. But he pointed to actual "provable" things too, like the MIT Living Wage Calc. If you disagree that it's "provable," that's on you, not on him.

[@sammillwood8301]

Because he ran on the socialist ticket.

[@peterkirk8510]

Michael Ward you not agreeing with them doesn’t make them lack substance.

[@daniel11ist]

So condescending!!!

[@bacon7149]

“Why are we even talking to you when you have all the facts and we dont knoe anything?” Mimi: “I dont know”

[@AnnSmajstrla]

Just Googled Mimi and learned that he died of liver cancer about a month ago. So sad! Rest In Peace.

[@driediced5427]

The only good commie is a dead one

[@chickenfdisoruhg4915]

Ungrateful Fork Please stop that.

[@nonorden7100]

@@driediced5427 Did you really just disrespect a man that has passed away? If I was you I would go to a shrink and say that I wrote on the internet that a certain man is better when he is, (-because of his political status). Then you would probably be send to a mental health hospital, at least if you live in a sensible country. I really hope you become a better person and learn to have empathy. It's a good thing. I'm worried about you, please get help.

[@bloodofeuropa8408]

@@driediced5427 BETTER DEAD THEN RED

[@driediced5427]

Blood of Europa hell yeah brother

[@am4nu]

"why are we even talking when you have all the facts?" "...yeah"

[@iheartjbgccb]

She was so rude 💀

[@devynwoodard5999]

@@iheartjbgccb she was kinda right tho. Other people have commented this too, but Jubilee literally decided it would be a good idea to face off the literal president of the socialist party with a bunch of college kids with next to no economic or political background

[@raytas9140]

Lmao Fr. That’s why they’re having that conversation to get into and see the mindset of others don’t be mad when someone has facts and u don’t

[@markojovanovski3372]

@@iheartjbgccb she was literally being straight forward,the dude was Hella annoying and didn't want to open his eyes for the other side unlike the others

[@markojovanovski3372]

@HMAB but he literally thinks he's the smartest in the room,didn't even try to open his eyes to look at the points the other side was making,giving off smartass vibes.Pretty annoying

[@k.snyder_812]

Mimi is that guy at the neighborhood barbecue, that turns every conversation into a political debate.

[@aliceinwonderland5118]

I like it

[@gater4616]

He’s the sketchy tenant form down the hall that always calls you saying he’s gonna run for president and that you should vote for him, also probably the one that lives off of government funding and thinks he deserves more

[@ZainabProductions]

Gater you sound upset

[@kelvinb16]

And knows nothing about politics

[@kelvinb16]

@@EmeraldGold30485 anyone can run buddy

[@calebburbey3255]

"I would consider that successful if you can be going to school, maintaining your GPA, and working a part time job while being able to afford your school!" LO-fucking-L. What a privileged thing to say

[@down-to-earth-mystery-school]

Yep, I’d like to tell him some stories about only being able to afford Ramen noodles while working 3 jobs, going to school and now never being able to pay off my student loans because of predatory lending that was allowed. I’m grateful for my education and it took my 10 years to finish, but I wasn’t living a privileged life whatsoever.

[@collydub1987]

Are they actual capitalists? Or just people who believe in the free market? There IS a difference there

[@mullademir4589]

Yeah, cuz fella in the blue polo does not have capital at all. By definition you can’t be a capitalist, if you don’t have any capital. They are maybe pro-capitalism and that’s it.

[@yuerry]

@@mullademir4589 burgoise* you can be capitalist but not burgoise if you don't have any capital.

[@mullademir4589]

@@yuerry Thank you! In German the definition of a capitalist is different that’s why I thought it’d be the same in English :)

[@welikelethabo]

What’s the difference ?

[@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854]

@MX 3 in Social Democrats market is exact as free market. Social Democracy is like capitalism without social neglet.

[@metalmystery5369]

Girl in yellow seems to think that as long as she states her point with enough passion, it doesn’t matter if it actually makes sense

[@Shitty_ghost]

The whole thing was her saying “that is NOT capitalism because I think capitalism is good”

[@priyariya72]

@@Shitty_ghost LMAO FR

[@elizabethvaughn5694]

She must've been in debate club lol

[@Mortech_]

The disdain with which she looks at Mimi at 11:38 is priceless

[@anuragthakur4341]

And all mimi does is swear and insult

[@youtubeaccountidaho9858]

Mimi is a walking, breathing stereotype

[@mustanguy102]

Tyson McFarland and it looks like he struggles with both. 😂

[@Pandemiclui]

Tyson McFarland id trust anyone else there except mimi (terrible name for him) with my taxes

[@anamericancelt6534]

He looks like he's from Animal Farm.

[@Tray2323FTW]

@@mustanguy102 lmao

[@Skoomz]

@Abdullah Habib not socialist but ok

[@SufficientlyCaffeinated]

This debate was more about the efficacy of social welfare programs than it was about socialism or capitalism

[@diegofrgc]

Capitalist side: 3 young but educated people Socialists: Frickin Karl Marx himself

[@Sheerspeechcraft]

Wow what an original observation, do you feel smart now?

[@pahrisarvie1428]

People are so quick to assume Karl Marx was a bad guy. What makes you assume that socialist aren’t educated. Because they care about the well being of everybody? That’s funny to you?

[@diegofrgc]

@@pahrisarvie1428 did you even get the joke?

[@pahrisarvie1428]

diegofrgc no, no I didn’t. I did happen to realize that Mimi looks a lot like Marx but I still don’t see the humor in it.

[@diegofrgc]

@@pahrisarvie1428 The joke is it does not matter how educated the young capitalist panel is, they are debating against Karl Marx himself. You didnt get the joke at all JESUS EFFIN CHRIST.

[@eryk4229]

The “capitalists” seemed like regular people. The “socialists” were all activists. I thought the capitalists did pretty good considering they were up against professionals. I would’ve like to see some kind of professional capitalist who was used to articulating these ideas.

[@davy_putts]

Peter Schiff would be great to watch if i was you.

[@mvargasmoran]

@@davy_putts Bring him and Mr. Shapiro into the conversation.

[@davy_putts]

Marcos Vargas Morán Definitely. In fact i just read this quote: “everything we get from the free market, the quality keeps going up and the price keeps going down, but everything that governments get involved in the quality goes down and the prices go up”. I think that perfectly illustrates why socialism is not the path we should take.

[@wolfhunter2138]

*Ben Shapiro entered the chat*

[@josephdeliz3455]

Imagine Ben Shapiro up there lol

[@michaelarchbold2129]

These videos are way too short. These ideas are complex and these people need more time to discuss and digest.

[@ziruini5071]

the attention span of youtube goers can't afford that

[@kitkatforjesus6737]

I agree, I honestly find it quite frustrating when one of them is in the middle of making a point, explaining their thought process or point of view, but then get cut off because the timer dinged.

[@catalyst3713]

Yeah as great as these middle ground videos are in concept, I gain more insight from reading KZbin comments.

[@Ndasuunye]

I think the issue is between the limited time they have to put this on youtube and that some of those questions turns into arguments which is not good for the show.

[@yeetstreet4230]

@@ziruini5071 I think they should put out a full length version as well

[@alexolotl124]

I really don’t get how “paying people enough to live” is being debated here.

[@Humza_3.14]

They should've had at least one economist on the panel.

[@ianbaker672]

1 for each side then, otherwise richard wolff would be mopping the floor with capitalist tears

[@Humza_3.14]

@@ianbaker672 There are no sides in science.

[@anon8740]

@@Humza_3.14 oh there absolutely are sides. There are competing hypotheses and schools of thought all over the place and scientists that advocate for different ones will argue plenty over which ones are correct.

[@Humza_3.14]

@@anon8740 You can say that for any subject. There are always competing hypothesis on the cutting edge. That's how progress is made. But no one is arguing about established theory. Believe me. I'm a grad student in economics and there is plenty of established theory backed by piles of data.

[@anon8740]

@@Humza_3.14 yeah then there's established theories from the Keynesians vs established theories from folks like Hayek, Mises, and others.

[@madilynneharbauer2851]

Can’t believe the girl in the yellow shirt literally said she didn’t care about poor people, but people in the comments are saying Mimi was being rude and arrogant. I think everything Mimi said was fantastic and I’m sad to hear of his passing. RIP.

[@pat_solo]

I don't think she said that anywhere

[@madilynneharbauer2851]

@@pat_solo she implied it

[@comradef2163]

Agreed! Didn’t come off as condescending to me, just very stern with his ideological alignments.

[@pat_solo]

@@madilynneharbauer2851 I think you are just jumping to conclusions with capitalism. Sometimes simply pointing out an observation, doesn't mean you are for or against something. Yes there are inequalities in capitalism, for one reason or another.

[@phobicshameful]

@@madilynneharbauer2851 so she didn’t literally say it?

[@danielaramburo7648]

Please redo this topic. But make it a longer video because it’s a massive huge topic.

[@illuminate4622]

They won't. The capitalist leaders are panicking. 30% of millennials approve of communism.

[@slingy7009]

@@illuminate4622 ur name... stop talking

[@ZakkuTakku]

Some actual economists would be great for this topic!

[@vn7512]

@@illuminate4622 if they are, then they haven’t live in a communist country yet.

[@2seep]

@@vn7512 communism has never existed, what you think is communism is more of a dictatorship

[@pumpkinarsenic8444]

The people that say “they’re r so many resources out there” have never had to use those resources & know what it’s actually like

[@CeruleanMuun]

Not to mention those "resources" are either people or products of people, meaning a large portion of people cant use said "resources" because someone has to be exploited in order for them to even exist under capitalism

[@nunyabiznus145]

Guys, there's a difference between a friendly little sporting competition and literally competing for your livelihood.

[@elle-ty9jh]

literally

[@lifeisactuallyveryboring.7771]

So true.

[@dgoo5602]

Well said

[@husseinpoliphilo]

News flash you always are competing for your life npc

[@picklejar462]

Look at the animal kingdom. It isn’t a friendly sporting competition. They fight for survival. Are you not aware of this? We are technically mammals so we are animals too. Nobody said life was nice. It’s not. That’s life. But freedom is better than comfort and being controlled by the government. Why would you trust the government with your life like that? Haven’t you learned from history? Look at what happens every time. Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

[@discoveryjo1568]

I want to see shopaholic/consumerist and minimalist people discuss here. 😊

[@gugutenberg]

That'd be really interesting

[@supercullen0047]

DISCOVERYJO that’s smart

[@jcarter3238]

Yes! And does anyone else notice in green talks how hyperconsumerism is rarely even touched upon? I want to see a massive movement of consumers buying used items only. It's always "Let me show you the green future, buy my product". I've seen "minimalists" peddling "minimalist" products lol. Like 'minimalist shelf $23.95'... Wtf?

[@Felix-vg4mv]

I'd rather see frugal people than minimalists since minimalism tends to be more of a trend than actually ideas and content, unlike frugalism.

[@iceman4154]

NO. I want to see consumerist socialists and minimalist capitalists. That would be awesome and make the socialists look like the idiots most of them are.

[@terre5d]

How did you manage to find the most unqualified people for this topic?

[@blanco7726]

Felix Bernshausen they always do its actually quite impressive

[@maxsturm3700]

Mimi was literally the socialist party candidate for president lol. hes very qualified.

[@octaneblue6]

@@maxsturm3700 then why did his arguments consist of ad hocs?

[@panosfasoul699]

@@maxsturm3700 i agree but i think had a mental Problem or something to argue like that

[@jesusstaccato8448]

@@octaneblue6 Because he was the socialist party candidate for president.

[@gubernational57]

Norway is not socialist, Denmark is not socialist. The PM of Denmark even came out and said they are a free market economy. You need capitalism to fund your socialist programs. Sooner or later, under socialism, you’ll run out of other peoples money.

[@amadeusmalonje8263]

You guys should totally make Introverts Vs Extroverts

[@alvar114]

Introverts arive and don´t talk LOL

[@amadeusmalonje8263]

@@alvar114 we can totally talk lol XD

[@alvar114]

@@amadeusmalonje8263 yeah i know i´m an introvert myself haha.

[@jomay9561]

How can a middle ground be found? They are opposing views, they’re opposing personality traits that you can’t control

[@amadeusmalonje8263]

@@jomay9561 I've just realized both personality traits have trouble understanding each other, and even as an introvert I have people always questioning my personality and reserved nature; and it's still happening. So there's various stuff people don't get about introverts, and there may be stuff we don't get about extroverts either.

[@hithere4919]

They should have gotten someone who actually lived in a socialist country.

[@Alina-vt7oq]

Yeah, my case. I would really like to talk to the big socialist guy, like.. do you know how people live in a socialist country? Its depressing...

[@hithere4919]

Alina same, my family is from the ussr, they know firsthand how damaging socialism is to a country.

[@tiffanysrensen165]

@@hithere4919 , don't you mean communism? socialism is a whole other thing

[@hithere4919]

Tiffany Sørensen no, the ussr was never communist. It was always socialist.

[@steliosmitr8245]

personal accounts are useless when talking about an ideology. There are many people that have good accounts living in the USSR and many that are bad

[@DeadAlienGaming]

The capitalists got played here. You should’ve got small business owners, and people who work in the money industry. Not a bunch of college kids...

[@ChocoFlyJMoCo]

Probs would be a bit better with people with real experience like that, but they weren't even close to being played

[@loov7779]

Yup.

[@cloudthief8918]

I wouldn't say they 'got played' but the socialists seemed a bit more educated on the topic..

[@ChocoFlyJMoCo]

@@cloudthief8918 They came across educated, however their facts and general logic were all off. They knew their own broken ideology well, and fed off their feelings.

[@cloudthief8918]

@@ChocoFlyJMoCo The capitalist side's reasoning and logic weren't great either but gathering from your description of socialism as 'broken', I think we're both biast.

[@InnerRevolutionProject]

I would love to see the whole discussion and not just the cut together form. As many before me said: It would be awesome to maybe have a second channel, where you release the unedited discussion for all who want to watch the whole thing. I am also a bit concerned about the biases of the editors, who might cut out arguments they don't like and leave in arguments that they like. I don't allege anyone to do this on purpose but we are all humans with our own biases and cutting such a video together, with 100% neutrality would be pretty much impossible I think...

[@brog5330]

I love how no one in this comment section seems to understand that there can be authoritarians and libertarians on both the left and the right

[@justrusty8399]

@Jack McCabe Tell me you don't understand politics without telling me you don't understand politics

[@Nanofuture87]

The issue is that the lib-left ideologies are fundamentally flawed. They will either collapse into lib-right (e.g. true market mutualism) or auth-left (e.g. communism) when attempted on any sort of real scale and complexity (assuming they aren't simply conquered or otherwise destroyed first).

[@justrusty8399]

@@Nanofuture87Communism advocates for a stateless society. That’s anarchy. Read a book.

[@brog5330]

@@justrusty8399 what I want is not laying the market in chains it’s freeing the workers, those who Labour, those who actually generate the value. They should be the ones being rewarded for their work, not some investor who has never been inside a factory in his life. You can throw as much money as you want at a piece of wood it won’t become a chair

[@brog5330]

@@Nanofuture87 I disagree with you on that one (And every civilization can be conquered or destroyed)

[@oz7081]

The topic was great, the people in the video were not

[@owl.drinks.tequila]

I absolutely agree

[@mikeee3691]

True, I think the "Socialists" were actually social Democrats, not mimi though.

[@Rob.N.]

@@mikeee3691 Yeah I'd characterize him as a Marxist

[@peradabanbaruindonesia1546]

Agree

[@Ellimist000]

@@Rob.N. IDK he didn't really talk about the idea of people earning the fruit of their own work, in the video he did sound more Social Democrat-y, though its hard to tell with the cutting off of the video.

[@thomasforssell9225]

Scandinavian countries are not nearly homogenous, nor are they socialistic. This is just ignorance at it’s finest. I’m Swedish btw

[@dabirdie1797]

They're confusing social benefits with socialism

[@TheJuxify]

@@dabirdie1797 Are social benefits not Socialist? Neoliberal Capitalism would do away with the government as much as possible, socialism as a whole may not be what everyone here is looking for but social benefits are certainly a by-product of Socialism if not Socialist in nature.

[@thomasforssell9225]

Once we were socialistic nations, yes, but the traditional "Nordic model" has been in a steady decline since the 1980s. Today it is more characterized by a neo-corporatist collective bargaining system, meaning, it advocates the organization of society by corporate groups, such as agricultural, labor, military, scientific, or guild associations on the basis of their common interests. They are not socialistic, they are comprehensive welfare states based on the economic foundations of free-market capitalism.

[@thomasforssell9225]

@@TheJuxify Sure, social benefits are a by-product of socialism, but having social benefits doesn't make you a socialistic nation. Most nations have social benefits in one way or another

[@californiarespublica]

i wouldn’t consider it socialist, but I do wish the United States adopted a similar system to several of the European Models. i just see the problem when american politicians say they want the system and some of the right winged Politicians say it’s capitalism and not socialism, so when we try and still say we want it. the respond with no that’s communism. it’s just confusing, and i legit just wanna have it so everyone can agree on something for once.

[@stephenlackey5852]

The one who said “it would be a waste of her time to spend it with someone who has all the facts” when she has none… Stunningly shortsighted. I can’t imagine a *better* use of my time than learning facts I can use. Consider facts as a commodity. Just because he has them doesn’t mean he’s the only one that can benefit from them-as she seems to suggest. He is sharing them with the group, so that they can move forward better informed. I think the socialist v capitalist analogy is fairly clear here, as are their ideological ensconcements.

[@vokay]

It's sad really how she tried to belittle him, as if his "facts" weren't worthwhile. Hopefully, it's "just" an immature way of thinking that she can get progress and develop with age, as opposed to seeing it displayed by an older person.

[@InbredRengade]

Ummmm "i work with children and I dont see selfishness" lololol. Children are the walking embodiment of selfish. Its growing up that is meant to fade the drive away.

[@ThaiMex409]

Exactly what I thought too lol

[@choggerboom]

"Meant to fade the drive away" do you think selfishness fades away in most cases?

[@UnstableChainsawBear]

They can scientifically measure brain development and empathy doesn't come into play till the teenage years I believe.

[@m.m9769]

I too have worked in a kindergarden and I have never seen less selfishness there than anywhere els

[@thephimuel]

@@m.m9769 although I love them and find them fascinating and have a lot fun with them I hav to say that kids are the one of the most creatures in this world. I worked in a kindergarten for my school for 2 years. I mean kids literally dont want other kids touching their toys which they are not playing with. A kid will see another kid on my lap and attempt to push him off me just for himto get my attention. This goes on and on and on. I could give a lot more examples. But yeah people are born selfish and they wont get that out of their system completely. Pride. One of the most subtle of the seven deadly sins yet it is the deadliest.

[@joeykeenan2079]

If Twitter were a person, it would be Mimi.

[@zacnieprawisz9171]

I think this annoying girl is a more accurate personification of twitter

[@panchooceano7717]

@@zacnieprawisz9171 yup, that girl seems so mad while mimi stays unbothered

[@lmdeboom]

@@WrathofFenrir99 Until they experienced serious illness, disability, or just getting old. Social security and Medicare are socialist. Public education is socialist. The military. Roads. You cannot live in a purely capitalistic society. You cannot also live in purely socialist society as it stifles creativity and innovation. But the main point is allocating government spending for greater good such as healthcare, education. The socialists here also advocate for better pay for workers so they can afford to live.

[@millville444]

@@zacnieprawisz9171 It annoys you that the girl is far more intelligent than you are and that is something that I find to be incredibly funny.

[@GherazzRadio]

@@WrathofFenrir99 she's a psychology student, pretty much one of the least employable degrees available

[@stoopidimnotgonletyougetth1066]

The capitalists had the most overused and unsubstantiated takes I’ve seen. They seem to be more arguing from the standpoint of philosophy (which they clearly don’t know much about) than actual economics.

[@Martin57878]

I could say the same about the socialists who used the Scandinavian countries as an example of socialism. Nah bro thats social democracy

[@meepcheese537]

@Lance Dela Cruz dude u know that usually people on the right are uneducated, they’re not being biased. And please don’t point to me people like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro who don’t actually know what the fuck they’re talking about to defend the right.

[@Blu_Jay07]

@@meepcheese537 If you actually listened to Ben Shapiro instead of listening to what socialists tell you then you'd know that you're the uneducated one

[@evil_spicoli2967]

@@Blu_Jay07 LMAO did you actually use Ben Shapiro as an example of an “educated conservative”.

[@antoniomedina6377]

@@Blu_Jay07 Ben Shapiro does have education. He litteraly went to Harvard Law School a place known for education in government, judiciary law, and business. And before that learned political science at UCLA. He's pretty educated.

[@Someones_owner]

I just have to say that even tho it may seem like most Nordic countries aren’t multicultural. And most of them haven’t even declared themselves as multicultural but they actually are because we are such small countries and the percentage of immigrants in Norway and Sweden has actually exploded after the 2000-2010s

[@idkwhatimdoinghere9834]

Exactly, that argument is just a dog whistle at that point lmao. 💀

[@winstonchurchill8491]

Correlation does not me Causation. Immigrants in those two countries commit higher rates of violent crime and do not help Sweden

[@Someones_owner]

@@winstonchurchill8491 true

[@bachucho29]

The fact that the chick is actually called liberty is amazing

[@4ev3rmore]

and wearing a yellow shirt the color of libertarianism

[@maxspechter4321]

And not wearing a bra

[@Eclectic-Sheep]

@@maxspechter4321 I was wearing a bra!

[@Eclectic-Sheep]

Thanks!!

[@milolubin3311]

@@Eclectic-Sheep Ur named liberty Fuchs lul

[@charlottemahan575]

You can tell the yellow shirt really isn't listening by how offended she's getting. Opening your ears is key

[@robertnegotei3495]

🧠 take it you clearly you need it

[@dom6637]

​@@jt94sd They're arguing about ideology. You literally can't not make ideology based arguments here, unless you're putting forth the idea the capitalists don't have ANY ideas or ideals over their economic or political position. Which I'd agree, they really DIDN'T.

[@msanna4]

Yeah and the socialists make a lot of sense ? They aren't open to discussion and still believe in pink elephants so....

[@dom6637]

@@msanna4 What discussion could have been had? The capitalists came to the table with literally nothing but feelings on the matter and honestly, I blame the creators of the video; They're a poor representation of defenses of capitalism. And what pink elephants did the socialists believe in?

[@cupoftaewith3dollarswortho600]

True i dislike capalists

[@locketom]

Mimi is the most stereotypical neckbeard. He didn't add anything to the conversation and came across as a child.

[@thenotoriusg]

Agreed, he kinda didn't try to make any points he just drowned out sensible debate with "Thankyou for making that point because your helping us"

Compared to the chick that was about to cry because she didn’t have any facts? 😂

[@noahjacobs5039]

ᴄʜᴏᴘᴘᴀ sᴛʏʟᴇ are you kidding me? Did you even watch then episode?

[@thenotoriusg]

@@noahjacobs5039 No hes right man, that guy was a moron, no offence to socialism, his ignorance was pretty insulting to socialist views really

[@wetplate4038]

average socialist for ya

[@Xintendo_64]

At 3:10 I love how he started talking about things to help human society in competition but then a pay wall of 2 grand is put on it.

[@Ogbeastmode]

Um, the guy said capitalism is the government taking money and giving it to the military... argument over bruh, you have no idea what capitalism even means

[@seandoyle296]

Especially considering the military is an extension of the government, NOT privately owned. This man replaced his brain with a red "revolutionary" pamphlet.

[@Cfergsthebest]

It's the same thing both sides always do. This country was socialist and this happened that's what socialism. This country is capitalist and they do this it's what capitalism is.

[@colmobrienoleary2518]

Uh.... no thats not true. I think that there is a nuanced argument to be made about how capitalism promotes the power of money in politics, where money is equated to speech (ie. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission). The argument he was making was that it is this problem (a problem created by capitalism) that has created and continues to enlarge the military-industrial complex (just research what this is and I won't have to explain anymore). So when you say that "government taking money and giving it to the military" or "the military is an extension of the government, NOT privately owned" that's not true because it is the government buying from PRIVATE producers that enables them to gain the wealth to continue influencing politicians into giving them money. In this way it is the capitalist system's hold over governance that creates the immense military spending ($4 trillion to $6 trillion just from wars in Iraqi and Afghanistan). I'm not saying that there aren't ways that the military-industrial complex can be combated within capitalism (even though it is part of a fundamental conflict between democracy and capitalism), but the way that you are disagreeing with it is either deeply uniformed or disingenuous.

[@seandoyle296]

@@colmobrienoleary2518 You walked that argument around only to come to a half-hearted conclusion. The military remains unowned by private interests, even if the military is heavily co-operative with private interests. You're correct in saying this symbiotic relationship of government funding for R&D and weapons creations and buying new technology inflates the military, improves it incredibly, even, but the insinuation still doesn't work. The holier-than-thou Socialist dude defined Capitalism as giving money to the military. You're adjusting the claim to make an entirely different argument, since the military isn't receiving money, it's buying products created by private interests, tied to military hardware and tech. Funny thing is, this can really be reduced to the model of "supply and demand", and that in itself can refer to small free-market capitalism. You have tanks, I want tanks, I'll buy the best tanks. You have apples, I want apples, I'll buy the best apples. You won't get any defense from me over regime change wars and the U.S.'s continued presence in the Middle East. It's been noted the military buys in great excess from private places and the symbiosis around it is heavily based in people making money. Still, the claim that Capitalism is "money being poured into the military" hasn't been proven. Private interests do business with and embolden the military in size and strength. So that means Capitalism is, to your point not his, the exchange of money from the government, to private companies for goods and services. A model that can be broken down to ANY exchange between a supplier and customer, that doesn't need to be nearly as nefarious as perpetuating foreign wars for oil, contracts and imperial domination.

[@seandoyle296]

It also doesn't help Mimi's point given that he, very early on, praises Norway, and presumably similar economic markers known as the Nordic economic models. Thing is, these models aren't Socialist. You want me to ask about the military industrial complex? Sure, if you go ask your average Scandinavian if their country decentralized economic power and redistributes it on a level that eliminates ALL hierarchies. Spoiler, it doesn't. They implement Socialist policies around and Capitalist economy, making it more of a hybrid framework. If we're to be well informed and not disingenuous, it'd be better to say that Capitalistic pursuits between the military and private interests have become corrupted, becoming profit driven toward the point of putting themselves in a very critical spotlight. The regulated Capitalism of Norway, Denmark, Finland, etc, is Capitalism done right. A pursuit of profit to a point that doesn't involve imperialistic regime change wars and a relationship of constant buying of excess military goods (and in many cases, the reselling of weapons to foreign entities).

[@XtremeConditions]

I have a feeling that given even a small amount of power, Mimi is the most greedy person in the group.

[@CuriousEarthlings]

I can see this

[@tvesrb]

I can see that. The narcissism is definitely there. Like most people who've been politicians, he deals more in platitudes than actual arguments.

[@mightbeahuman3442]

XtremeConditions, fitting name

[@iworshipgaysandsatan6822]

He seems like a covert narcissist, claiming to represent absolute good and not open to other perspectives and shaming/belittling other perspectives that go outside his own

[@HopelovesPeace]

He said he wasn’t there to find common ground. He wants people to conform like a cult leader.

[@ViceCityExtra]

Im from a nordic country. And it’s weird to see that other people think that they know alot about your country without even living there

[@isabelleax]

lmao like we are way more diverse than people think. They see stock fotos of blonde girls and think that is what we are. The majority of people I know have so many different cultures from all over the world (including myself). So yeah I agree, if they came here they would see we are not that homogenous.

[@isabelleax]

​@Pleiadian Advocate Yeah, that is obvious. I am aware that I judge how America is and people in general judge other countries. But in this context we were discussing what people wrongly think about Sweden. Not the entire world.

[@lucianraphael9527]

Isabelle Axelsson Norway is over 80% Norwegian. It’s a homogenous society. They can implement these socialist policies because it’s a homogenous society with next to no people on welfare and low crime rates. The US has intense ethnic divisions and high crime in certain areas.

[@gman3638]

How is your country doing in your opinion?

[@demiiiii]

@@lucianraphael9527 so you're saying that crime is a result of diversity?

[@bluemiyuBlueBird]

Bro telling that a single mom working hard to make ends meet, to survive, has an equal chance to be successful is mental. Human beings are not machines, they shouldn't live to work, but work to live.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

_"Bro telling that a single mom working hard to make ends meet, to survive, has an equal chance to be successful is mental. "_ Depends on what kind of job and education she has.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

_"they shouldn't live to work, but work to live."_ Should not make bad choices that make your life harder than it should be.

[@fm56001]

@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. Ah, yes, being poor is a choice.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

@@fm56001 Well it can be, for example if you have a use less deg ree that doesn't really help getting empl oyed anywh ere. However getting a ki d is usually a choice, which you should get only when you have a st ab le in com e.

[@rusty_space_junk8086]

Bruh I can see why liberty was getting frustrated, mimi was EXTREMELY condescending.

[@Roan.bot.]

Noah Friesen Mimi was just saying how it is and she kept talking about what it should be like that was a valid way to shut down facts. She was the only person with an attitude. Idk what you’re talking about. He and everyone else were pretty courteous and tolerable.

[@pipsdontlie3031]

Not gonna lie it was very attractive to me. Mimi deserves it.

[@ivstresservi7051]

Johnathan Roan uhhh no. She was trying to work with him but he was straight up being a dick. I wouldve lost it too and been pissed.

[@14598175]

To subscribe to socialism today requires someone with complex personal issues. Discounting people under 30 (we all lean left in youth) modern "socialists" tend to be narcissistic, controlling, they often struggle with mental health issues and can be very nihilistic. It's not that they believe in socialism, it's just that they hate capitalism. Why? b/c they feel like it let them down. However, in reality, they just made bad choices in life. Let's be honest, the vast majority are *not* happy people. But! The beauty of the US is that every day is an opportunity to turn your life around. Anyone at any time could go back to school using federal student loans and pick a new career. They just need to have confidence, reject victimhood, and take that first step. Doors WILL open with the right attitude and other people _will_ invest their time and resources to help people who learn to believe in themselves.

[@Ellimist000]

@@14598175 LOL I think you are describing more people clinging to capitalism than socialism. Most of the people who actually advance socialism that I have seen have ironically done pretty well enough in society. They just, you know, are moral people ;)

[@PISCESBEATS]

not surprised Mimi didn't make it past "candidate"

[@nczioox1116]

Also his party didn't nominate him again for 2020

[@1daveed3]

More surprised they even considered him as a candidate.

[@KdogGames]

I'm sure the comments to this video will be nothing but intelligent, helpful, and happy discussions among open-minded people.

[@aceofhearts0]

theres always nuance to everything

[@PiousSlayer]

Turtle.

[@finthehuman3649]

You're in for a big surprise

[@wackywalls6137]

This is internet

[@newrunrocks2656]

PoliSciGuy they are at least funny enough, I have seen way worse