Would America Be Better Under Communism? | Middle Ground

[@jubilee]

Unreleased prompt is up on our Patreon 👉 bit.ly/4ahMyzP “Communism has caused more suffering than capitalism has”

[@ashurahadams]

Please do an ODD ONE OUT with artist/painters

[@ofanatema6457]

I will try making money next to watch you guys I love your videos serious ones and non serious I feel like I'm close to your channel and videos kinda creepy💀

[@luisfilipe2023]

Absolutely agree

[@MaxAbramson3]

Not a fair measure. Most of the world's population lived under some form of capitalism from 1700s to 1930s. From the 1930-90s most lived under socialist politicians.

[@AroundTheBest]

Capitalists came with facts. Communists came with feelings.

[@lilbill15]

Not gonna lie at this point jubilee should just do actual debates and allow the guest to prepare and come with both statistics and anecdotes that way you get the numbers and reality side of whatever topic it is

[@savannahrichardson254]

Yesssss!!!

[@greg4527]

Well plenty of their guests come on prepared. Two on the capitalism side are political pundits online, and so is at least one on the communism side. These videos usually 50% or more of them come in with the talking points ready to go.

[@jamient]

I liked how they did it with Undecided where there was a moderator up there with them keeping everyone on track and asking follow-up questions.

[@RelaxjocelinEnjoy]

I absolutely agree they both get sited information and also are able to know the prompts as well as have fact on hands!!

[@iwonthesitatebitch.570]

yes, its embarrassing when one side is so ill prepared they get absolutely bodied

[@zamasumaycry3325]

It’s really annoying when a conversation starts actually getting somewhere or someone is making their point and they eventually just cut to the next prompt. They’ve done it much more often recently and then started charging you to go watch their full version. I don’t want to pay for the full version if it’s still gonna be lackluster question topics, people consistently cutting each other off with no moderation and their arguments eventually getting cut off to get to the next topic. I would pay/support if it meant the quality would be better but it’s literally the same video with an extra topic.

[@bertramclement6702]

Capitalism baby

[@LibertadCreativaCanal]

😂😂 ​@@bertramclement6702

[@JLDREAMS]

Cus capitalism babe. Jubjub's gotta eat ~

[@brutallyhonestfrank5542]

If you can't afford $3 a month to distract yourself with pseudo-intellectual gratification, you should be Intellectually Present in your real life. Get your money up, not your funny up.

[@zamasumaycry3325]

@@brutallyhonestfrank5542 always some weirdo to start saying someone’s broke when that’s never even the conversation being had.

[@gabriellareynoso2956]

Again, this series desperately needs: 1) Live fact checking 2) Better moderation 3) Better preparation from the participants (encourage them to come with stats and articles and numbers) So many of these discussions go off the rails bc people are saying things that either aren't true or aren't on prompt and it's so frustrating.

[@cutewithoutheetbs0282]

Often times it seems like they select people who are knowledgeable on their opinion, only on one side, just like in the Palestine one a few days ago. They should have had Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, who had lived experiences to speak. Not “my aunt” story. The amount of lies that went unchecked was gross.

[@JeyC_]

​@@cutewithoutheetbs0282 read my comment above

[@socrates260]

You need live fact checking because you lack underlying knowledge. Stop being lazy and inform yourself first before you form uninformed opinions 😁

[@1coolgyrl]

They cast actors and influencers for these debates. Some they call in multiple times for different topics. They actually need to get knowledgeable experts to debate these topics.

[@mattbeatgoeson]

We can fact check, can't we?

[@kingsquabo]

“ i don’t wanna argue “ when you signed up for a debate channel is absolutely comical.

[@joshflowers1834]

I’m so glad I’m not the only one who thought this.

[@Cat_DeGaulle]

I think he means he wants to have a debate and not a screaming match

[@joshflowers1834]

@@Cat_DeGaulle well no one was screaming, and again, people are going to get loud, they’re debating their ideologies, their whole view in life.

[@junoji]

I feel like jubilee should have a mediator that makes sure no one gets interrupted and an after credits where everyone’s points are fact-checked. I can see these videos being educational in seeing other perspectives but I think Jubilee need to make sure misinformation isn’t being spread.

[@jonathanlee-cf1vf]

So you are not a proponent of free speech is what you’re saying.

[@DarlingDaintyfoot]

​@@jonathanlee-cf1vf Making sure people are able to finish what they are saying & correcting any possible, or even perceived, mistakes after people have been able to say what they want is not an imposition on free speech. These days, I would be concerned about the accuracy of the "fact checking", but even if the fact checking was entirely misrepresenting the facts of the topic, it still wouldn't be an imposition on the participant's freedom to say what they wish as long as it allowed them to say what they wish &, I would argue, didn't deceptively edit that. Am I misunderstanding what you were describing in your comment?

[@laikanbarth]

Agree. Basically, Jubilee just lets these people come in and argue with each other. There’s always one loud mouthed person who talks over everyone else and interrupts. I would just like them to have a freaking mediator at this point so that everyone can get a chance to speak.

[@reesetruitt5491]

The problem with fact-checking is that for a lot of things in economics, there is a ton of mixed evidence. In an economy, there's a million and one variables, and those are very hard to control for. It would also put a lot of pressure on Jubilee, making them act as an arbiter of truth.

[@goinglivewithsuarez3249]

Idk if the video was overly edited, but the communists kept steering the conversation and eliminated all potential of a productive conversation.

[@wynterleblanc2384]

I really wish the moderators kept them on track for each question. It’s so frustrating watching everyone interrupt/talk over each other. I would love to see people who are able to have a debate without getting so worked up they don’t allow the other side to talk.

[@laikanbarth]

It’s so annoying. It doesn’t feel like a debate. It feels like they just sit people down to argue with each other and there’s always one loud mouthed person who cuts other people off constantly and talks more than anyone else.

[@wynterleblanc2384]

@@laikanbarth I agree! It’s very annoying, I just want to listen to a proper debate with individuals that aren’t attacking each other.

[@starsretical9039]

@@laikanbarthit’s how they get views. If they didn’t make it like that, less would watch

[@CarpetHater]

I have noticed that middle ground episodes have become longer and longer because they often steer off from the topics, almost no visible moderation.

[@wynterleblanc2384]

@@pinkmama6077 I can see your point in diving deeper on a topic, but a huge annoyance (for me) is when everyone is talking over one another and you can’t hear any of the points, or some people are unheard. Also, a lot of these people aren’t experts and when some state “facts” they refuse to back it up (in some videos) which is also interesting.

[@panka303]

I would have loved to see an Eastern European involved in this conversation.

[@popplers5entropy647]

or a Lybian or South American

[@blazer9547]

Doesn't matter, capitalism won. Deal with it

[@YoelAndMari]

Or us, Cubans. Who have lived under communist ideology

[@kidmack3556]

Yes, someone who lived in the USSR and came to retirement age at the tail end of Perestroika, and or someone who had been a skilled professional in any of the Eastern Bloc nations and immigrated to the U.S. 1989-1992

[@tiborfuri9295]

Exacly become from my experience from parents and people from czechoslovakia and later what i learned is that corruption was a big part of society not only in surtain industries but everywhere. Becouse czechoslovakia was one of the economicly more prospering socialist countries. They wanted to abolish the wealthy rich and made the most people in the same economic weight class as. And that was exacly the perfect breading ground for corruption becouse working harder wouldnt made you more money or freedom but your connections help from family members or some tasty bribes were the only thing common people could get more than they had before

[@AxelAxe]

I was born in Cuba and lived there until I escaped to the US as a refugee at age 21. My parents were doctors, and we could barely have enough food. Our medical system was extremely bad. I worked at a military hospital for 2 years and we had a really bad health system.

[@corybryant4728]

ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE OR LIVED THERE SAY PLACES LIKE CUBA ARE GREAT LOL

[@lucca3113]

gusano spotted

[@mark4m557]

Lee Harvey Oswald loved the idea of Communism so much he defected to the Soviet Union. Not too long after defecting he wrote a (I don’t know what I was thinking) letter to the Embassy in Moscow. I’m sure he had to kiss someone’s @$$, but he made it back to our capitalist country. He stated he loved the idea of Communism, but he didn’t like living under Communist rule.

[@MORE_BEANS_PLZ]

​@@lucca3113 go back to the farms communista 😂

[@josepedrazahernandez6486]

⁠@@lucca3113Claria spotted

[@slimkt]

I would’ve loved if a moderator came in and gave explicit definitions of capitalism and communism because they are not universally agreed upon in general, and I’m sure even in this small sample size, most of them would not agree on a single definition.

[@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici]

The capitalist girl didn't even know what she was debating lol doesn't even know what capitalism is

[@hakeemfrancis1099]

⁠@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusViciFunny you say that considering how communists think cronyism and corporatism is capitalist. And the weird communist girl thinks North Korea isn’t communist. Plus Hannah said the definition multiple times are you deaf.

[@reed6514]

​@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVicii don't think that's fair. As a socialist, I've found it very frustrating to have capitalists define what socialism is. Like, the socialists should get to say what socialism is. Similarly, the capitalists should get to own their definition too. But yeah, she wasn't really arguing in favor of what i view capitalism as. She was arguing in favor of free trade and small government. She wasn't arguing for the mass accumulation of wealth, nor was she clearly arguing for capital to control the means of production.

[@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici]

@@reed6514 she's one of those "I read Wikipedia so now I have a political opinion" type clouded by decades of indoctrination. She needs to read Marx and Engels.

[@korpen2858]

Abolition of private property

[@technofire_cake1115]

The government is so mistrusted in the US and I am glad they all agreed to that.

[@taurianferguson]

Many of the things they were complaining about with the respective countries weren't matters of economy.

[@kalamari3288]

@@taurianfergusonTo be fair, communism isn’t just about the economy either.

[@KeepItCute22]

@@taurianferguson A county’s economy affects everything. That’s why every type of economic system has its pros and cons. There is no one size fits all.

[@taurianferguson]

@@KeepItCute22 the problem with all governments and economic systems are that they involve people. Kinda agree with that girl that robots need to take over.

[@soph____461]

funny thing is, communism is all about trusting the government and having the government own everything.

[@Dangkles]

If Jubilee decides to start fact checking these debates, they would be so much more valuable

[@paulieteezo]

Completely disagree. Just look at the fact checking sites we have now that have a clear bias. I think we should let the conversation stand for itself without the channel going “um actually, according to cherry-picked sources, this is incorrect”

[@eliasejam508]

I disagree, placing the burden of fact checking on jubilee is a dangerous thing. They’re supposed to only be the medium, if they suddenly begin shutting people down, the conversation would devolve. Secondly, certain so called “fact checkers” might have vested interest in individual subjects. In the end, the responsibility of fact checking always comes back to you.

[@bighuncho_]

You have a cpu in your pocket to read the literature

[@laniack1232]

You can’t fact check with no bias anymore that’s why they don’t do it

[@QHYPEZFIFAGAMEPLAY7]

@@bighuncho_can you believe the audacity

[@MrAgnosticman]

Oof, mentioning Mao Zedong in an argument for communism is a rough start.

[@dobridjordje]

Best socialist countries were Yugoslavia and North Vietnam - Modern day Vietnam because they had capable leaders who could exploit the system well.

[@zackarykasprzak3073]

Ya the problem is he truly believes it.

[@EMVPIID]

Well there is a correctness in the sense that yes, China’s economic growth can only be judged compared to its previous state which was feudalism. So yeah, Mao did actually radically improve the chinese economy. but there is more to the story than just that because of all of the other wild stuff about Mao as a leader. But dont throw the baby out with the bath water. He had a point with that one.

[@openmike4559]

@@dobridjordjeyou are clueless on how Vietnam works.

[@JohnnyBoi-11153]

@@dobridjordje Yugoslavia was “Market Socialism” not “Communism”

[@yujin2202]

As someone who's been watching this channel for a while: does Jubilee read their comments? I see so many comments about wanting more qualified people, more moderation, or real statistics, but every video seems the same. I wish the debates had more concrete structure:/ Would be so great to see more videos like the flat earther one where actual academics come on the show to talk, or at least have more fact checks on the screen when someone talks about a stat/fact

[@destinywilkerson5391]

i feel like they purposely do this because it cause more room for heated debates. it also creates room for people do get more heated when watching.

[@Dsksea]

I don’t think intelligent, qualified people would waste their time on Jubilee.

[@theyoli]

TRUE. This comment alone helped me skip out on this video 😂

[@AcesAlliance]

Mmm I don’t know. How many people making these comments actually watch debates. Middle ground is not a debate. It’s people’s opinions. It’s a different thing. If you want to see a debate you can find many online

[@kost4060]

I dont think there’s qualified intelligent people who are communist though.

[@00J-Tone]

Podcasts are what's in and i don't understand why yall cut these videos down to a fraction of what is recorded. You can make a part 2 and 3 idc as long as we get more discussion. The way yall have it now is more like a taste testing of productive conversations. And if it isn't productive then you need to find better guests by hiring a better person to screen.

[@ericrhodes186]

They have full versions on their patreon.

[@00J-Tone]

@@ericrhodes186 The 4 hour raw video?

[@Adrianisdeadinside]

​@@ericrhodes186L

[@angiii]

​@@ericrhodes186Don't you need to pay to watch the uncut videos?

[@hoopadooppoopnloop1267]

They want to edit it to show favor to their biases

[@ohk136]

I have loved middle ground for years now, and this has been one of the most unsuccessful videos in the series yet. I am 36:00 minutes in and there has been zero moderation, zero compromise, and they cut to the next prompt before anyone has made and clarified their point. Don’t you WANT us to see people coming together; having respectful and thoughtful conversations; so we can learn more about people from both sides and understand where they’re coming from? It will be a really sad day when jubilee succumbs to the pressure of creating clickbait instead of creating content that can truly change the world for the better…

[@Jay-ch8vz]

Can’t compromise with a capitalist

[@phanders6236]

they did agree on a few things though. corporate welfare for the mega rich is an issue (although I doubt the capitalist woman agrees to it being a problem even if she says it here).

[@JulianH-co7qg]

Communism is one of those things that get flushed down the toilet

[@jlopez4889]

@@phanders6236 Why do you people do that? It's like you are so afraid to agree with what a capitalist says so you have to makeup their beliefs in order to disagree on the very thing you agree on. Even when the capitalists say that they don't really like the fbi, Molombo comes in and says "Yeah you do actually like the fbi, it is capitlist fbi so you must like it" instead of simply agreeing that it is a problem

[@ariantargaryen4266]

I’m pretty sure they keep the full videos behind a paywall.

[@chuggywoo]

Molombo's bait of "you look like the nicest person ever" was surprisingly effective lol

[@Jabba-le-feminist-hating-Hutt]

When does he say this ?

[@miguelangelalgaranaz1471]

Molomo trying his hardest to play the nice guy but being extremely condescending and not taking into any consideration any of the points being mentioned is crazyyyy.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

He definitely has a persecution complex. Super transparent when he tried to tell one of the capitalists that she was being "demeaning" when she was defining communism.

[@miguelangelalgaranaz1471]

@@AppleOfThineEye he’s the living definition of wanting the cake and eating it too.

[@Crimea_River]

He's insufferable. "stop interrupting" as he interrupts everyone else. Then he totally agrees that government aid makes people lazy but he's supposed to be a Communist?

[@girgirlana]

He acts so politically correct but I got such misogynistic vibes from him. The way he continually puts his hand over his mouth and smirks when Hannah starts to speak… so rude.

[@tommytigerpants]

Molomo thinks he’s smarter than he is

[@PauloNideck]

Molombo is extremely manipulative and controlling while pretending to be kind. This is just the worst kind of people.

[@Gershwood]

Super patronizing

[@tristankerr3655]

Typical woke liberal

[@cris8ro]

He’s just ‘too spicy’

[@Binho_DBZ]

You are fascist

[@rcpd18]

You know manipulative bad people always try to play the victim and use the empathy and naivety of people in their favor... always have to fear the wolf in the Little red ridinh hood.

[@BawzDaMil]

She did not just say “if we could pull it off like Psycho Pass, that would be great.” Isn’t the whole point of the show that it’s a sci-if dystopia that’s gone too far?

[@josuesaucedo5627]

That segment is a hypothetical,as she stated. and came as a leviate from the proir heated discussion they had. So it wasn't meant to be taken serious.

[@justinthenoob]

It is insane how two people can watch the same show and get completely opposite interpretations. Psycho pass is probably my favorite anime because of its profound anti authoritarian message.

[@Evensy2]

lmao I though the same thing. I thought she was going somewhere with it, but when she say pull it off I'm like pause.

[@TheNewblade1]

​@@justinthenoobnah it's just lack of media literacy. Homeboy can't understand Thor love and thunder was not pro alien just cause it took place on alien worlds.

[@Joannaheadz]

When she was trying to make this AI point it instantly brought me to the ending of Moonfall, obviously many other examples too tho

[@dutArkham]

The "communist" side conflate communism with China and capitalism with American but these countries don't make a 1 to 1 comparison to these ideas

[@stevenberkson3878]

i mean they are the two superpowers and one propones communism and the other capitalism so

[@80s_graffiti]

​@@stevenberkson3878 China is not fully communist, they're socialist at most. Communism would not allow for there to be billionaires, and there are like 400 Chinese ones who don't help provide for the millions of Chinese rural citizens who live in huts and aren't literate.

[@ayomideadesipo7255]

Seeing Tai Lopez resurface in mainstream media after not hearing about this guy in years feels like a fever dream 😂

[@SmellyFeetFinder]

shouldn´t give this guy a stage tbh

[@BassNotes_B-Rad]

I was like, isn't that the guy that showed off his lambo and is like "You wanna know how I got this car? KNOWLEDGEEE"

[@InternetGirl1093]

Is he a scammer?

[@SmellyFeetFinder]

@@InternetGirl1093 kinda, he´s an I make you rich coach

[@Sincewayback1997]

@@InternetGirl1093no

[@Jerzibredon]

They never fail to find the worst possible representatives for whatever argument they’re having. There might be like only two exceptions all time lol

[@marbaskane4118]

LITERALLY

[@xtcy5922]

I sometimes think jubilee picks these radical people for bait

[@YouTubeMilestonesOfficial]

@@xtcy5922fr, I swear there’s always the worst people chosen

[@alebe7224]

What’s wrong with the capitalists? 😅 On the other hand, those loonies represent communists pretty well. Greetings from Eastern Germany (so to all you American lefties, let me tell you, be careful with what you are wishing for)

[@mbrown7325]

I think part of it is people apply to be on, and it’s possible the only people willing to apply are the more radical or extreme people.

[@t00sa]

I like middle ground so much but we need moderation and let all the participants know the rules of debating. Let everyone make their argument and no talking over each other, no matter how "passionate" you are or how much you disagree with the other side.

[@gregorysteimel5165]

Have you seen modern college and high school debate clubs? They completely ignore the subject and instead accuse each other of having too much privilege.

[@Prestiginii]

@@gregorysteimel5165 are you in college ?

[@shortourt14]

the series was never supposed to be about debate that's the saddest part about it

[@nbell0089]

It wouldn’t really sell, they want drama and average thinking people

[@ethanfutch4974]

that's actually why I love these debates they feel human I think when someone is passionate about something they cant always be patient I see your point but sometimes I find it annoying and sometimes I love it

[@PretiumLibertatisEstVigilantia]

The asian basically summed up communism when she said "if everyone was this way communism would work." But that's not how human nature works, she's talking about a utopia where everything is the fantasy of fluffy clouds and butterflies.

[@strangelee4400]

Whenever i meet a communist or hard socialist i always ask if i can be their finance minister and assure them that the wealth will be distributed fairly...all the while smiling like a cheshire cat 😁

[@IamShado]

This. This is the only argument you need. The reason Capitalism works is because it understands human nature. Communists have a flawed understanding of human nature; that if everyone is given everything they need to live and everyone has the same, that they will be happy. It's such a naïve and historically ignorant belief. Humans are self-interested, envious, greedy, driven by status.

[@cielmichaelis8426]

thats why laws and regulations exist...

[@luking1181]

​@@strangelee4400you can't be the finance minister because that would mean there's a state which doesn't exist under communism, unless its 1st stage or 2nd stage communism which is avtually socialism on it's way to communism

[@non-fictionaltoughguy1208]

Meanwhile she lives here and enjoys freedom speech when in China that would never be allowed to fly

[@thomasfisher763]

Both sides are dressed exactly as you would imagine them to be

[@luanagund1334]

Literally the capitalists were so funny

[@StzaCrizzack]

@@luanagund1334 I'm for capitalism and i laughed when i saw them standing in the shadows in their monday morning business atire

[@abilawaandamari8366]

@@StzaCrizzack yeah why do they have to look so stereotypical, can't the capitalist just wear a T shirt like it wouldn't prove anything lol

[@santiagokais763]

Very profesional business attire by the capitalist, and casual lunch attire by the communist.

[@tw4943]

Sooooooo now we're generalizing people based on fashion

[@hudsoncolasanti7544]

We’re not gonna talk about how bunny argued for a self conscious AI that dictates the world

[@honestfriend767]

Exactly she doesn’t value freedom which is why she loves communist China.

[@Oybpvey]

She’s just there to get more people to watch her streams and give her money

[@byeebitch]

An asian uwu girl streamer, a white teenage-wannabe with xs shirt and an apologist with victim complex... I meann, what can you get out of these guys? 💅🏿

[@Madeline64]

Lolll for real, my jaw actually hit the floor.

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

Can it be worse than the capitalists supporting communism during WW2 to overtake half of the world?

[@samuelandrade6646]

i love the Chinese girl who knows all about china s communism and loves it omg, but decides to live in America instead.

[@moddingmiddleearth]

Bro she's a live streamer saying she would get paid as much as software engineers

[@ModernMozart1104]

lmao

[@tanishthajaiswal8928]

​@@moddingmiddleearth I laughed so hard at that

[@zthe-8y]

bro ikr. Why would she?​@@moddingmiddleearth

[@newbestofthis4422]

That's the first thing I thought about when she stood wen at the communist side I thought what. Go back to Chyynaa girl😮

[@ComeUndun.]

I find it truly amazing when people can hold this much information in their head. I'm over here questioning whether I have early onset Alzheimers.

[@KentaMaeda18]

No way that girl thinks that a content maker should make as much as a Software designer

[@FunRageDIE]

thats the issue with new era communist they dont use factual thinking and will respond with "i feel it would work or i know it would"

[@f1rebreather123]

Being an artist wouldn't really wven be a job. Communism needs all hands on board, so theres not much room for it.

[@utahnash]

Yall realize content creators often make more than software designers once you account for content creators making content as a full time job.

[@f1rebreather123]

@@utahnash the amount of content creators making more than software designers is very slim. If we took a sample of equal parts content creators and software designers, most content creators wouldn't make more than the software designers.

[@pimperish666]

Exactly

[@s_don57683]

While I generally enjoyed this debate. One thing that frustrated me like crazy was Molombo acting like a de-facto moderator in this debate where he was picking and choosing what people should answer so that he could control the narrative. It prevented the debate from being as free-flowing as it should be.

[@emouraaaa]

It’s interesting you mention controlling the narrative.. I wonder what capitalists do… There was also most definitely a moderator, they just didn’t have to moderate because the group did that for them.

[@emouraaaa]

You’ll notice in other Jubilee videos the moderator only comes in when no one can be heard or get a word out because everyone is talking at the same time. I think this group did a great job at giving everyone time to speak, especially because Molombo set the tone for that.

[@Mimi-kl9st]

@@emouraaaawhat are you? Molombo’s girlfriend?

[@518trey1]

@@emouraaaawhy does it matter whom controls the tone? It’s a debate not a conversation. Spoken like a true communist. Preach freedom then turn around and take it away. He’s wasn’t a moderator and was the least informed about most if not all subjects. So if it was up to someone to set a tone it shouldn’t have been him. He took away more then he contributed to the debate

[@TheNewblade1]

​@@518trey1lol yea he was the most uninformed not the de hard capitalist Hanna that didn't know what "market equilibrium", literally week 4 of econ 101, was.

[@wtfa2910]

The best part about this whole conversation is that they are in a country where you are allowed to have it

[@thanhtu5218]

exactly, try communism even talking about politics results in permanent expulsion haha

[@adualaispuro]

@@thanhtu5218 That's not economic. That's governmental. Do not confuse the two. It's like saying capitalism means slavery.

[@anguscasanova7070]

@@adualaispurogovernment=communism

[@zclan4130]

@@adualaispurothat’s a bad analogy bud sorry

[@stephenc2481]

@@adualaispuro ....it's all important to take everything into consideration. If freedom of speech is stripped by the "government", you bet it is going to affect your life.

[@Engles007]

What amazes me is to see people arguing for a system that never existed, I suppose they all have higher education and don’t know that communism is the final stage of socialism that is, there is no government, and it blows my mind to see Chinese and African descendant defending socialism plus they live in America.

[@yingna-qi6hk]

我同意你，在中国我们在教科书上也是这么介绍的，现在没有任何国家实现它，我们把它视为未来的理想，所有视频里的讨论更像是自由市场经济和有管控的市场经济之间的区别，或者说被美国制裁的国家和没被美国制裁的国家之间的区别，哈哈哈哈哈

[@Engles007]

@yingna-qi6hk I'm very happy to hear that, I think Westerners make a lot of fuss about distinguishing socialism from communism.

[@jessgarza88]

What are you talking about the us has so many socialist policies

[@jessgarza88]

Communism is flawed because people are flawed it's will never work capitalism is flawed because people are flawed

[@jameschristopherlopez88]

She made a Psycho Pass reference. Saying it could work. But in Psycho pass it clearly portrayed that the massive brain was evil and people needed freedom from it. And it literally murdered people. Lol 43:20

[@artillerypro]

LMAOOO THE CYBERPUNK GENRE IS LAGE STAGE CAPITALISM 💀💀

[@wetdripp]

Yea but Tankies don’t have functioning brains so they can’t process things like this lol

[@nemo2327]

Lmaooo

[@artillerypro]

@@nemo2327 cyberpunk genre is capitalism 🤡😭

[@Lonewolfdebnf]

@@artilleryproCommunism is evil

[@omnium_gatherum]

Molombo being like "let her finish what she's saying" while simultaneously trying to interrupt everyone else is humorous at best

[@jimjim4564]

For real. I'm on the communist side but Molombo was extremely annoying and egotistical.

[@clashr2719]

My thoughts exactly, people like him are so annoying I don't believe they have genuine interest in anything except themselves and how they come across.

[@MonkeyB5]

Loved when he was by himself on the "Only the rich benefit" prompt and he had NOTHING to say, then proceeded to try to realign himself with the other two beside him when they didn't even agree with him 🤣 People like him just want to belong somewhere.

[@Random-sk6hm]

I'm on the communist side but I agree, that was annoying af

[@mralexsambo]

So true! 😂😂😂

[@bfrashine]

I appreciate the fact that Cam brought a notepad in with him. I’d do the same! It’s always great to have relevant information at your fingertips, especially during a debate.

[@nashi._.7563]

I think it was also to help keep his train of thought in the conversation but I get what you’re saying. I’d do the same regardless😅😂

[@CamHigby]

@@nashi._.7563keeping track of what people said, the order they said it in, and who said it!

[@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici]

Istj nerds

[@RedArrow808]

Can’t keep all the lies in order without it

[@alicemichaelis9468]

I literally hollered when he brought that out 😂. I never seen a guest do that before. You go cam!

[@DRGBTL23]

I like it when any back and forth end with a handshake and/or hug. Love one another and share what you have in excess with your, brothers, friends, neighbors, fellow humans.

[@franktalksprogramming]

As a Cuban who was born and raised in Cuba and lived there for 17 years. I invite these 3 individuals to go live over there if they love the system so much and enjoy of the perks of misery and a socialist dictatorship.

[@XxTraGiKzx]

Something I always find ironic. The people pushing for communism and socialism in America are the people who have never truly experienced these systems in action. There is a reason why so many immigrants and refuges come here from communist and socialist countries, and very few people ever migrate to those places. Basic critical thinking skills are truly so rare nowadays and it's honestly scary

[@Lonewolfdebnf]

@@XxTraGiKzxThey always say US empire makes cuba poor even though cuba has lots of trading partners

[@YungBeezer]

@@Lonewolfdebnf Yeah it's wild that this amazing system needs the very antithesis of itself to thrive.

[@KaneNewman-wo7tv]

Your country is under an aggressive embargo by the US.

[@mysticapajar614]

Exactly!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@WippetWzrd]

Ain’t no way they tried to defend the one child policy in the female empowerment prompt

[@Matildalovess]

My exact thoughts. Female infanticide and Forced ab*rtions don’t happen in china apparently

[@Homesick47]

To be a communist is to be delusional lol

[@TierDvik]

And that came from Bunny, the female streamer from China, FEMALE... from China... saying the one child policy was empowering for woman. I can only assume all she hears in her head is Looney Tunes and "ohh SHINY"

[@shalini_sevani]

India is very much a capitalist country. They are now going to implement a two child policy.

[@rightnow7068]

The one-child policy led to mass female feticide/infanticide and now the sex trafficking of women. That Bunny chick is very ignorant.

[@Marc-gj9vx]

I thought this would be a capitalism vs socialism debate, but it was more a USA vs China debate, and neither represent communism or capitalism well. Would be great to keep people on track.

[@J_Kiko_L]

Do you recommend any books to get a better understanding of capitalis? As a Gen z American I only have anecdotal evidence and news articles.

[@phattorangecatto]

@@J_Kiko_LI am also Gen Z and used to be communist but now I am a capitalist after maturing a bit. I basically actually did research on what capitalism is and not what other people told me what capitalism is. Capitalism isn’t when you invade people and destroy countries like I grew up to believe, because the communists did that too, but every time that is mention they deflect and say well that invasion was justified

[@pavelm.gonzalez8608]

More like a *liberal democracy* (that tends to be bipartisan and to a continuous pollarization between the "Leftists" and the "Rightists") against *one party dictatorship* (with mixed economy and continuous economic growth).

[@rwrproductions9109]

@@phattorangecattookay but what is it ?

[@nothingtoospecial777]

@@J_Kiko_LHow to think about the economy and human action are great books

[@aronsjaastad1192]

"oOh cApiTalsm Baaad" (Enjoys a successfull and fulfilling life in the united states while people in Cuba are borderline starving)

[@buffon9634]

"enjoys a successful life in the U.S." Yeah dude, go tell that to the people of Burundi who because of capitalism and it's exploitative nature don't have food, a decent wage nor decent living standards. Or go tell that to a Chinese guy who works in a temu factory and us paid a dollar an hour, barely affording to live. Cuba isn't even socialism's fault, its the United States'. The embargo had massive tolls on its economy, same can be said for pretty much every socialist nation that ever existed

[@beautifuldonkey6338]

People in USA is borderline starving too...

[@MrJpmoneypants]

@@beautifuldonkey6338 our biggest health problem is obesity. So the opposite of what you are claiming.

[@ToluacheLoc]

And the US navy is the one starving them.

[@Phintan9]

​@@beautifuldonkey6338not as many PERCENTAGE WISE

[@Olahve982]

I want to see a discussion between people who have lived within capitalism vs communism.

[@ModernMozart1104]

Excellent response.

[@zachbohemian]

communism never existed, they'll be talking about their experience in the ussr or so-called communist countries

[@user-uq6ht]

@@zachbohemian exactly cuz communism will never exist it requires dictatorship in the modern world

[@nicolasbascunan4013]

They were communist.

[@andrewrogers3067]

@@zachbohemianCommunism sucks so terribly that the act of merely implementing it collapses the nation

[@autumngeorge3255]

what was with that dude shutting down other people from talking by using their names? It felt weird and kind of rude. Also saying to everyone"You look like the nicest person in the world, so just let me speak" He's trying to trick them into sounding caring, but he just is actually being selfish by not letting others talk and respond

[@crow_7717]

I know I hated that guy

[@user-hd8ej8yx9p]

b.l.ack syndrome

[@OceanDrivez]

actual gaslighting lol

[@audriwilliams7943]

Yeah I noticed that too, very weird…and disingenuous

[@thomasparkedinvilliers.1314]

Yes he’s annoying af

[@immersion9880]

Eddie seemed to carry his side of the debate. Would’ve loved to see more engagement between him and the other side because that seemed to be the only informative parts of the video.

[@ComradeAbel]

The midwestern Marx channel is gonna have a formal debate between Eddie and Hannah I think, that’d be cool

[@brandontatom9821]

"You know what happens when you tell America no on a trade deal. HA!" Realest statement ever. Hawaii can tell you all about it. And Puerto Rico. Guam. And many more.

[@videomonster9778]

Molumbo has a magical ability view opinions as fact and facts as opinion.

[@Dominic-jx8ke]

At the same time every time using titles of state verse the subject at hand.

[@muffinmendy7327]

They all did tbh, except that guy in pink.

[@GenerationNextNextNext]

All of them have opinions, and only a handful of them are producing facts to back up their opinions.

[@danielmaster8776]

​@@muffinmendy7327That pink guy is lost. he should've been on the capitalist side.

[@borecsalat6101]

Omg. Comparing capitalism and comunism and using america and china to do it is like comparing water and land animals and using crocodile and frogs to do it😂

[@sanah6933]

Thank you

[@angelomaldini3316]

Meaning? That analogy is hard to grasp. Is it that they both live in water? Is it that one side has an advantage over the other? China is a single party state, with officials wielding far too much power and citizens having barely any rights, but truthfully, is only Communist in name; it’s not Communist at all. It was once under Mao but his successors realized how worthless the actual policies of Communism were. Now it’s basically a dictator-run Han people ethnic state.

[@nolongerjuicyboiz4413]

@@angelomaldini3316 He's saying they're essentially the same thing. China is basically capitalist when it comes to economics.

[@drakeisaskinwalker5104]

@@nolongerjuicyboiz4413 please explain

[@nolongerjuicyboiz4413]

@@drakeisaskinwalker5104 what you mean? China is aggressively capitalistic in a lotta ways. You're gonna have to look it up for yourself - I'm not an economist. I just hear that many aspects of it are capitalist.

[@Sabrinaaa.426]

As a Cuban person who grew up in Cuba and whose immediate family is still on the island. I hate hearing American communists speak on Cuba. I wish Cubans had the freedom to even talk and critique their government like these people can. They don’t even realize how entitled they are.

[@lustruhs3170]

Period

[@yeattwizzyrichbitcointikok1120]

As if communist groups like the black panthers haven’t been literally murdered and imprisoned by the American government. Even MLK who was a socialist was blackmailed and threatened by the FBI

[@lichald]

Porque no hablas del bloqueo y embargo de Estados Unidos sobre Cuba? puedes resaltar eso tambien?

[@smoke2730]

Gusano?

[@jimmyTooFreshh]

@@lichaldpara Que? Solo lo va a negar

[@mk3c]

wow, 6 people who name themselves capitalists/communists, but have no idea what capitalism/communism is...

[@mk3c]

@rollt1de015 I'm surprised as well!

[@Leo-io4bq]

​@@mk3cwhy did he get banned

[@mk3c]

@@Leo-io4bq who got banned? The other comment? No idea!

[@theemicrowave0781]

As a professional debater this made me appreciate structured speeches this made me scream in frustration with the talking over everyone

[@QuoteZzZzZ]

Same lol there’s so much wrong with some arguments too smh

[@constantinaandreou3787]

Exactly

[@danielmaster8776]

I can imagine how this would make you hit your head against the wall.

[@theemicrowave0781]

@@danielmaster8776 oh you wouldn't believe it

[@Ari.Atland]

The fact they all agreed they don't like government at the end did make me chuckle. It would seem no matter where you look, humans dislike large authority.

[@borecsalat6101]

Communism is all about large authority. If they agreed on that i dont think they are communist.

[@jpbm1873]

​@@borecsalat6101 Communism is a dictatorship. It's a political ideology that gives total power and control to governement under the guise that the people own everything. It's a guise because you can't own something that you don't control.

[@ordinaryperson-my7qr]

not at all Everyone dislikes the people with power, until they are in position of power easy

[@levadamusic]

​@@borecsalat6101 no comunism is the abolished state, that's no comunism state

[@aaaccc7173]

@@borecsalat6101Capitalism is the one actually about large authority. Authority is still authority even if it’s a private corp doing all the police state and enslaving instead of a government lol

[@lukehenson8654]

I don’t want to argue I don’t want to argue. Talks over everyone, argues and then when he knows he’s wrong wants to dismiss and not argue.

[@toneloke454]

yep, sounds like a communist

[@azhurelpigeon]

Everyone interrupts in the heat of a debate with no moderation, boohoo

[@imasealarparparparp2714]

@@azhurelpigeonand every baby pisses their pants so what’s your point

[@bobdylan5127]

@@azhurelpigeon he's still being annoying af

[@paveluchitel]

You didn’t even say his name and I already knew you meant Molombo without even finishing the first topic.

[@Masterduelist31]

love how both sides were saying the dirty history of the systems instead of actually making points for half the questions

[@NigNog741]

Im here to add fuel to the fire and agree that Jubilee has to start doing better with these conversations. Feels like its more debate centered rather than "can we find something these people can agree on". Dont think organization and allowing for clear arguments would hurt viewership.

[@Justindedwards215]

She seriously don't know the difference between an economic system and a governing system. She is saying north Korea can't be communist because it's a dictatorship and said it with a straight face. This is the problem with the USA no one is educated on civics and history and basic economics anymore but everyone thinks they are experts cause they read an article once or there favorite influencer said so...this is a perfect example of why the USA is falling apart and behind.

[@sophiadonnell5957]

People don’t realise that a dictatorship is an extreme version of a system that makes it impossible for the country to change its ways. There are capitalist dictatorships too, which is where an entire country is extremely into capitalism. The capitalist extremism works with democracy, so the rights of people aren’t being infringed like the communist extremist countries. Honestly they need to do a middle ground where communists living under capitalism debate defectors of communist countries on the communist system. For the communists under capitalism side they should get an… -American -British -Australian -Israeli -South Korean -person from Botswana -New Zealander For the defectors of communist countries they should get a… -Chinese -Russian -Cuban -Arab -North Korean -person from Laos -Vietnamese

[@BittersweetDuality]

A communist society is definitionally stateless, so dictatorship actually is in fact antithetical to communism

[@michelelindor]

She’s also not from the USA. She’s literally from China. Works in China. And lives in China still.

[@TheNewblade1]

I love rants like this, like the capitalist in this video did several times, when there based off faulty logic. She didn't say "it can't be" she just said it wasn't.

[@Q-hv2cb]

​@luisperez3763there are no capitalist countries anymore. Capitalism ended with the Great Depression

[@lindyree5468]

I wish they would do multiples of these conversations. There are so many important points that I am wishing and hoping someone will say and they just don’t get brought up. It’s very frustrating

[@MrSaiLikesPie]

Try having this conversation in China and see what happens.

[@kalmarunions2115]

It's going to be a little silent

[@Eruiluvatar100]

Nothing would happen.

[@gianlucamattos8684]

I bet they would cite you three hundred sources by their level of education

[@georgeskanderbeg3242]

​@@Eruiluvatar100you would be in prison

[@georgeskanderbeg3242]

​@gianlucamattos8684 yeah while they locked u up in jail

[@FANTOllVll]

10:49 this girl actually described forced labor and then reeducation camps to a T and doesn’t understand that that’s a bad thing. The American education system is failing us.

[@Booer]

Gulag more people (gulag means rehabilitation) what do we have in US? Prison industrial complex.

[@crumbtember]

how did she say that? I watched from where you timestamped and your claim is beyond a stretch. what part says that to you??

[@TheNewblade1]

​@@crumbtemberlol bro all their claims are a stretch. It's why I low key hate jubilee. They do nothing to actually educate ppl. The amount of googlable info the capitalist got wrong is purely astounding.

[@bellfaith1065]

The part where she says "we can teach them though"....

[@bellagiolutjen5392]

my fiance was born in cuba. I cannot imagine how long this comment would be if i tried to list every single grievance her (large) family has and their struggles with living under the cuban government. We recently met one of her distant cousins who immigrated to the US a few months ago, and he told us that he broke down in tears stepping into a supermarket for the first time. He told us how in cuba you would have to wait in a line to get a single chicken breast and a loaf of bread for the week.

[@Jeffrey-hu2gb]

I have a short but similar story My dad was born in China and when he moved to the U.S during like 80s or 70s he told me when he went to the market for the first time he thought the dog food and cat food had actual dog and cat meat in them

[@khrystynahrynkevych7440]

Same was in Soviet Union

[@Sednas]

I'm sure it sucks having free healthcare, education and housing, and affordable food.

[@bellagiolutjen5392]

@@Sednas least obvious rage bait

[@Sednas]

@@bellagiolutjen5392 I'm being 100% serious buddy

[@JH-cl3bn]

I can’t believe this girl said that healthcare in china is almost 100% for everyone, we surely grew up in different China.

[@utahnash]

You probably have, healthcare in America has improved over the last 10 years, and we have really exclusive healthcare.

[@extremebeastreaction6245]

Yes China does have healthcare, probably one where they don’t check you well at all because it’s all free healthcare which makes it a bad check up

[@thequestion2056]

​@@utahnashyou are delulu af

[@hanamichisakuragi6233]

young people nowadays are a bunch of morons thats why. they regurgitate whatever they see in the liberal media.

[@alycebeckwith2446]

Thank you for being truthful. ❤

[@youcanthandlethetruth5433]

This was a fairly decent debate with no unlikable characters. Kudos

[@sann3857]

I thought it was crazy she was trying to define terms so they could all agree on the terms that were being debated, and Molombo just squashed that part of the conversation and talked over her.

[@hela8202]

i hated the way he wouldn't let her speak, he literally talked more than anyone in this video

[@wintermint77]

That's because Hannah's "definition of terms" were obviously incorrect for anyone with even a modicum of understanding of political theory. Not to mention the fact that she regularly backtracked / contradicted her own statements constantly.

[@uslph.]

She was falsely defining socialism by using a dictionary definition instead of the actual meaning of the word.

[@takeitorleaveit7927]

@@uslph.the dictionary lol

[@takeitorleaveit7927]

@@wintermint77I don’t believe you’ve done you due diligence to understand actual capitalism

[@danirivera8768]

43:27 I think Eddie did a great job at effectively verbalizing his points. No hate towards Bunny, but it’s just poor media literacy to think that the takeaway from PsychoPass is that “this system works”.

[@Inyayo]

yeah fr

[@imaXkillXya]

Akan’s-chan will come save us when chatGPT or whatever new AI becomes our ruler in the future.

[@beckembrown7002]

Bunny and Lopez shouldn’t have been invited imo.

[@uchromia]

@@beckembrown7002That's exactly what I was thinking. Both are completely out of their league in regards to their argumentation skills.

[@Lobos222]

@@beckembrown7002 You would think someone who have read a million books would have better responses. LoL, Tai Lopez is nothing more than a scam artist.

[@naomioladipo8216]

I am so happy molubo explained what’s happening in congo , people are been slaughtered and sent out of their homes and getting their mineral resources stolen. But somehow it’s not been talked about and it’s literally under a capitalist economical system

[@MySwagg93]

Stop blaming a whole economic system when it’s really bad leadership

[@naomioladipo8216]

@@MySwagg93 true but I’m only stating the dangers of extreme capitalism , people in power abuse it , we both know there isn’t a perfect economic system but i agree with you it is just bad government, well said

[@MySwagg93]

@@naomioladipo8216 definitely understand where you’re coming from, and extremes can happen in any economic system. We have plenty of examples of extreme communism/socialism as well. We as society just have to start making better choices for leaders!

[@MySwagg93]

@Dastardly1 I can tell you don’t understand the definition of pure capitalism

[@confusedpozole406]

@@MySwagg93 When it starts to become a pattern, then it’s most likely the system. It’s no coincidence that the capitalist king that is the USA is also the first world country with the worst living conditions.

[@joshflowers1834]

27:55 bro that’s how debates go. There’s always going to be back and forth. Plus you jump in just as much as the other. And as for pinky, no duded notes are actually highly encouraged and a proper way to go about a debate, or any form of podcast/show

[@ikshu9553]

I feel like they could redo this episode but had much clearer definitions of communism or capitalism and more targeted questions with separated sections for the pure ideologies and practical implementations in countries. While also having a moderator and fact checker with a neutral or middle group, then the episode which be much more educational and more clear on the pros and cons of both sides.

[@tonitee6725]

Yeah, the communists used america as prime example of capitalism and free market, it's not, and China as the communist example and they are not.

[@mesg4]

Molombo was BEYOND patronizing to the women. Especially with Hannah, he tried refuting her point by saying that she looks younger than everyone in the discussion, then tried to say she couldn't handle topics, etc. "I'm like the nicest person in the world" says every toxic person EVER.

[@jinakaye]

He stated that Hannah seems like the nicest person in the world.

[@emouraaaa]

??? At no point in the video did he say she looked younger. He also didn’t say “IM the nicest”, he said “Hannah, YOU LOOK LIKE the nicest”.

[@empressofawesome7099]

Yeah, while I found him & everyone interesting & all! I didn't like how he said she looked like the youngest, it was a bit patronizing!

[@wildbynature6779]

His white-knighting was gross and patronizing

[@Steppin--]

​@@emouraaaait was a passive aggressive remark to pre empt him whining to be fair

[@MrUnlimitedTorque]

"China has abolished poverty" OMG that guy is so lost in his fantasy world 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@سلامہريکے]

ikr 🤣 his attitude was the worst, thinking hes smart .

[@dinocollins720]

no doubt!!! What a joke haha

[@caster863]

But China did abolish poverty! By changing the definition of the word poverty!

[@ww-nk6lf]

Chinas not eveb communist Its capitalism under a central authoritarian govt

[@aiden5307]

@@ww-nk6lf China is way more communist than America hence why it’s a common point of discussion in debates like these.

[@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019]

4:37 China actually has one of if not the lowest immigration rates in the world, and actually have a net negative migration rate.

[@UserIslm]

China became capitalist 😅😅

[@KunalNatu]

The fact that Molombo would make a wild statement like “slavery is capitalism” and then not let Hannah respond because he wanted to move on because the topic is “too spicy” is hilarious…..

[@Mr._Sleepytime_T]

He did that several times, trying to deflect when he knew he/they were getting backed into a corner lol

[@chroma._.5986]

@@hehe8012thank you for having brain cells, these capitalists are like sheep to a slaughter house 😂😂

[@Pichuuh]

@@hehe8012 So why the countries with the best working conditions like Denmark and Ireland are all capitalists?

[@Molombo]

I was trying to keep the conversation lighthearted by saying the topic was too spicy, but in actual fact I simply refused to discuss slavery w/ white capitalists

[@gabrielm.846]

@@Pichuuhthey exploit third world countries

[@socialvex9741]

You guys should do one between anarchists and communists, I want to see those two ideologies clash.

[@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici]

You won't find Marxist-Leninists debating on playgrounds

[@EL-Nope]

They would ultimately both be subject to dictatorship or be conquered by a neighbor

[@akjdhajkdjhaghjkadh9804]

too vague and similar

[@jimjam2534]

Most anarchists align with communism anyways a better discussion would be state communism vs non state communism

[@jpspillz9218]

@@jimjam2534I think they just meant anarchists vs Marxist leninists

[@Missteree87]

I want to see Hannah and Eddie in a formal debate. This was great

[@anirudhsingh2228]

yess

[@MidwesternMarx]

Would love that! I wanted to get more in depth on Hannah’s ideology vs my own. We can host something like that on the Midwestern Marx KZbin if people are interested.

[@Oscareuh]

@@MidwesternMarxhell yeah

[@ireallylikeslugs1769]

​@@MidwesternMarxso happy to see you here

[@HannahCox]

@@MidwesternMarx I'd be down!

[@ItsGRamirez01]

Yall should do Childless adults vs Parents and questions like “do children improve your life” “is the birth rate declining a bad thing or is it not such a bad thing “ etc

[@kairu5607]

I would not want to debate against Eddie. Many of us (including myself) have ideas with minimal amounts of research, whilst research has formed Eddie’s ideas.

[@Domedwho]

Eddie is based. Love it

[@noecovolan4317]

Eddie is a great comrade!!

[@jacob-us8om]

If research formed Eddie’s ideas he would be far from a communist

[@zachandtheworld8841]

"Hey, Tai Lopez here in my garage to talk to you about communism. But you know what I like more than communism? KNOWLEDGE."

[@vroscience]

I talk about capitalism in my brand new LAMBORGHINI

[@aidanmcmillan3654]

I wish they had brought in communists who actually knew what capitalism and communism were, Molombo's definition for capitalism was just ridiculous and Bunny was making random points that barely connected to the prompts . Eddie was the only one who actually had a clue what he was talking about.

[@junioralvarado629]

the way i see communist streamers I tend to believe most are like that, but I could be wrong.

[@TheNewblade1]

His definition was fine and far more accurate than hannas misattribution of capitalism as "any form of commerce".

[@sophiacalon3463]

It’s because no one who fully understands it are for it😅

[@Andrearuch97]

​@@sophiacalon3463your IQ is 0 , capitalists in the video kept saying is not real capitalism crap

[@MrTooEarnestOnline]

I disagree Eddie and Molombo have a great understanding in what Communism is. On the contrary I don’t think you do

[@jethroteece6089]

8:09 I love how he's nodding along as if he even knows what half the words in that sentence meant.

[@RememberingWW2]

The guy whose family is from the Congo is wearing an $800 Versace outfit complaining about capitalism 😂

[@jyfertse2176]

why not, in the real world, developed capitalism is combined with imperialism, without imperialism is what happened in the third-world capitalist country like Congo

[@DaciYT]

That's not a versace shirt, that's a $20 shirt from walmart

[@NachoInsano]

@@DaciYTit’s smersache

[@mattlol163]

And lets not forget to mention how truly smug he is, passive aggressive comments, CLEARLY a full time victim, which is just a complete embarrassment to everything hie family went through to GET HERE. Clearly was never taught HOW to think, only taught WHAT to think.

[@waynedamron8006]

​@@mattlol163here's my thing, you can't discount another person's experience. I would always listen to your experience so listen to his. Probably crazy different from yours as mine is to you. But you can't just say that maybe he hasn't become successful and bought a nice shirt but still realize our system is fucked. I just want it known some things can suck while also saying other things suck

[@MrSuperaptor]

I like how Molombo like to butter you up before silencing you the moment he hears something he doesn’t want to hear. And uses all of his “disadvantages” to his advantage to be able to talk as much as he wants lol

[@FREAKSHOW-su4tu]

Cam just interrupts you and Hannah as well

[@racheljade1553]

Omggggg I am saying !!!! I was listening to him and I was like oh lord here we go smh

[@rodrozil6544]

He just didn't want to explain that several African countries have low economies and HDI. Despite being capitalist and democracies.

[@gonzalomcampos]

@@rodrozil6544there’s not a single African country with democracy. Maybe in the north

[@rodrozil6544]

@@gonzalomcampos recheck from various sources. Use the internet.

[@FreewaveFreeway]

I love how Molumbo was so rude the entire time and actively made fun of people’s points to their faces and talks down to them, but whenever he gets a question or answer he doesn’t like, he literally looks down in shame to avoid eye contact- like a bratty child

[@florianehouenagnon4739]

💯 agree

[@Albany-zu4nh]

do you think this because he’s black

[@RichardTavilla]

He’s namoron

[@arneshsengupta4636]

the capitalists were literally smirking and laughing CONSTANTLY, esp the middle guy in the glasses, this is some hard-core cope

[@FreewaveFreeway]

@blueskies3336 EXACTLY, they all sucked, but that guy specifically annoyed me because he was louder when he did speak

[@miselneral]

Commies think they will get to paint shitty pictures and make silly videos and they dont realize they are going to be mining for 18 hours a day

[@80s_graffiti]

Me when I don't try to understand that having the threat of not participating in wealth-extractive economics be homelessness and death is a bad thing:

[@LosloTypical]

Jubilee somehow does the impossible by bringing all the worst people you ever met into one room.

[@jamient]

And they do it nearly every single episode of middle ground too.

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

Exactly

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

​@@jamientyep

[@legendary3952]

That really isn’t a hard thing to do People are the worst in general Just give them a platform and they’ll expose themselves.

[@the11382]

And asking the worst questions.

[@Mr._Sleepytime_T]

The number of times Molombo dodged or deflected the topic/issue 😂 I can't believe he didn't get called out on that sooner. It took almost the entire episode before someone addressed it (Hannah, with the capitalism & slavery thing).

[@manniefresh3425]

Molombo is the personification of the righteous, pretentious, virtual signaling narcissist if there ever was one. None of these American hating people would last a single month in the countries their grandparents came from.

[@EroUsagiSama]

Hannah just acting like the Dutch east India company and the north Atlantic slave trade never existed was really infuriating

[@Random-sk6hm]

I agree, although the Dutch east India company and the north Atlantic slave trade was ignored by her.

[@Sujowujo]

And he’s so patronizing too. “You look like the nicest guy in the room please let me finish”. Like ew

[@jjjjjjaylon]

Capitalism is the son of slavery. It’s a very similar exploitative system which exploits the lower class and is in complete control. How do you quantify the value of someone’s work or ability to work? The same system exploited minorities for years after slavery was abolished thru contracts with former slaves. You still have modern day slavery through capitalism via private prisons. Honestly brother molombo probably knew all that. He probably didn’t wanna go there on the slavery topic seeing as he’s the only brother there.

[@Lao_lu]

I'd love to see a unedited uncut, version of this discussion.

[@anderson5683]

Jubilee charges for it lmaoo

[@9n3-]

@@anderson5683 they’re allowed to, these videos aren’t free to produce, we don’t like in a socialist utopia

[@Dino2GunZ]

That will never happen

[@mahrusfaza3038]

you can't because capitalism

[@9n3-]

@@mahrusfaza3038 it’s literally like 10$ if you want to see more of the content that they own and they paid money to create

[@chynaaa2551]

" you look like the nicest guy in the room please cam"- love that guy

[@isabellerizo3208]

As a communist refugee I would have loved to be a part of the debate. It’s a complex issue and I find most of the west doesn’t know much of what actually occurred in the ussr

[@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici]

What have you read, refugee? What do you know?

[@your_-_mom]

@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVicihe knows what happens in practice rather than in theory

[@NonCredibleFrenchDefense]

hm yea communists vs communist refugees would also be interesting

[@EugeniaN7]

EXACTLY

[@AnhNguyen-fp6sr]

@@NonCredibleFrenchDefenseyes I suggested this in a comment to Jubilee videos long ago

[@P0oP_MaN_K1nG]

its crazy how they say that America is not a capitalist country

[@SOULSEEKERBEATS]

It barely is, it used to be, but federal government has essentially removed this idea through tax enforced by violence

[@lastnamefirstname2390]

​@@SOULSEEKERBEATSwrong. The means of production in america are privately owned. That is the definition of capitalism.

[@bitmelody2616]

​@@SOULSEEKERBEATSAmerica is extremely capitalist and is only getting more capitalist. Workers in the US have to earn a living by offering their labour to wealthier people (wage labour) which is pretty much the definition of capitalism

[@SOULSEEKERBEATS]

@@lastnamefirstname2390 No, capitalism is free trade, when government chooses what can be traded and what cannot it's not a capitalist country

[@SOULSEEKERBEATS]

@@bitmelody2616 In a truly capitalist society, you wouldn't use an inflationary currency, you can trade with whatever you please with no restriction and middleman, there's nothing capitalist about what you describe

[@susieedminster3822]

Molombo was the most EMOTIONAL panelist and used every tactic to avoid questions he didn't like or didn't want his people to answer. Jubilee staff should have picked a more articulate representative of that position. No one learned anything. No middle ground. Just emotions from Molombo.

[@Diplomataizi]

One of the skills you should learn in debating is understanding which questions you should answer in order to continue a benefitial debate. Not every question is to be answered.

[@YungKingz__]

That advice makes you look weak & deceiving ​@Diplomataizi

[@sirhulk5325]

At least I wasn't the only one who noticed

[@FreewaveFreeway]

Molombo was so rude and talked down to the other people during the entire video. It was so obnoxious hearing him say “that’s a trap, I’m not answering that haha!”, but 20 minutes beforehand basically laughed at someone when they fell into HIS verbal trap

[@marie23926]

Not to mention him and the girl aren't even American. They're American on paper. Makes no sense I'll come somewhere and enjoy the system but still want to be against it 🙄

[@aronsjaastad1192]

14:42 Bro just completely avoided and derailed the question

[@cottoncandychaos3582]

I’m not a capitalist but Hannah was based sometimes tbh. Like how she was against paying so much for war out of our taxes and being against corporate welfare

[@HannahCox]

Thanks! I think progressives and libertarians have a lot of overlap on civil liberties and foreign policy. And in my experience, when we can really dig into the problems in the US (I don't think we got to here) I think most will find big gov and spending are our core problems, not capitalism.

[@beepbopboop7727]

Corporate welfare is an inevitability in capitalism. The people that own the most land, and have the biggest businesses will always hold the most power in a capitalist society.

[@jawsh6044]

I agree. The way she said she's against the over policing and prison system. She just needs a little help and she'll become a communist

[@chroma._.5986]

communism is NOT when the government does stuff, just saying

[@emom2]

@@jawsh6044 hahaha. All she is less government! That’s the opposite of communism!

[@daenerystargaryen1440]

The first prompt went all over the place. The moderator should have interrupted them and reminded them of what the prompt was actually about.

[@tdaetaunm]

Diversity on a panel is not just skin tones and birth places but also age. While some subjects have focused on conservative parents versus liberal children, for example, other panels like this too easily fall into stereotypes of age with one side obviously middle-aged and the other young adult. Even down to the way they dressed enforces the rise of ageism related to social media and boomer, millenial, gen x, and gen z cultures. I felt this same way about one of the feminist versus anti panels, wondering how the conversation would have changed if an older male feminist shared his experience witnessing the movement in it's prime as someone of the opposite gender.

[@mariesindlerova9663]

It would be interesting to see on the panel someone of older age that lived in a former communist country where they got rid of the communist regime, talk about how the life was and why the people wanted the change maybe

[@reed6514]

I thought Hannah was pretty great. It would've been great to see a Commie with similar real-life experience. I feel like the kids just were a bit too ideological and not grounded enough, not experienced enough. That's not a criticis of them being communist. And i could criticize the adults too, but meh. Idc.

[@kylegordy113]

Its because ur not gonna find an intelligent adult over 30 that believes communism could work still.😊

[@reed6514]

@@kylegordy113 you don't know what you're talking about.

[@CallCOK]

And IQ

[@detail1090]

@ 8:21 Hannah is dropping KNOWLEDGE!!! LETS GOOO

[@Ikykwkliino]

The embargo isn't affecting us in Cuba? They are ignorant. For these types of topics, Jubilee needs to bring in people who are ACTUALLY educated on these subjects.

[@evanw7878]

Multiple studies have concluded that the embargo had the opposite effect and the reactionary actions of cubas allies strengthened its economy more than what it would’ve been without the embargo at all.

[@zharper4399]

@@evanw7878 Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe to make carbonara

[@MarioRodriguez-pd6lp]

To say Cuba had no doctors before communist is to ignore the fact that Cuba had the most doctors per capital in the world in the 1940s before communism took over. Even more than Europe and the USA. Let that sink in. These people are so ignorant.

[@JK-hs6ii]

cauliflower was educated, the others weren't

[@garycaine5687]

A lot of people who get upset about Capitalism are younger and haven’t established themselves financially yet. But when they grow older and start having to pay more taxes there is a shift. Especially when they wake up and realize that politicians are spending their money foolishly, and not holding corporations to account because they are allowed to accept money from these entities to get voted into power. Then they turn around and implement more taxation in the form of vehicle registration hikes, gas prices, sales tax, and home value reassessments etc. that rob both the rich and the poor, sometimes equally. Then they moan about businesses price gouging but do little to change it rather than running on change (to make you feel like they realize the problem) then do little to nothing to change it. Sad.

[@JP-jf1oc]

That has historically happened not it's not happening anymore because they are able to become financially independent fast enough.

[@eyedeerman]

22:20 dang I wish there was an uncut version. I feel like there’s so many important things being said that get cut

[@fusionflare6481]

42:50 “that’s common sense shoutout to common sense”

[@laurenisthebestperso]

I wish two things: 1. Clear definitions of both economic systems were established for both sides at the beginning of the video. 2. They chose to argue about current situations in capitalist and communist countries OR about an idyllic version of both systems. Both sides sound petty when they try and one up the other side by calling them out for one of the above.

[@StupidAnon-gn8ih]

Communism isn't an economic system; it's a totalizing ideology that demands the economy, and many other things, be centrally administrated in a particular manner.

[@noecovolan4317]

The communists were really respectful and let the other side finish their points

[@josephkatelynn8521]

@@noecovolan4317in the first 7 minutes I heard nothing but the communists interrupt…

[@sandraevans]

molubo seems smart & like a charismatic and fun debator, but it was frustrating seeing him tell people to stop interrupting when he did it the most. bunny seems very sweet but like the least knowledgeable - i will argue though that she has an advantage living under both systems though thus being able to compare the two on a personal level. hannah is very eloquent and objective which is great to watch even as someone who is critical of capitalism.

[@kost4060]

Molumbo is the least intelligent person there, he cannot debate, has no backing for what he believes, everything he claims is capitalism is government intervention which is not capitalism, it’s communist nature

[@bradc9012]

it's funny how people can watch the same thing and have very different perspectives. I thought Molumbo was the least intelligent person on the panel. An example is when they were trying to set definitions of terms they were using and he said it wasn't necessary.

[@Charlate]

Couldn’t have describe this video better. Though I will say, Molumba was particularly passionate but not realistic. His attitude is definitely not suitable for debates.

[@taylorlol123]

true

[@danilod07]

As he said, "capitalists control everything". But it will change

[@ammytshabatau1840]

Molombo is insufferable, especially when it comes to his interaction with Hannah. Seems he had a bone to pick with her. Besides that blip, I enjoyed hearing both sides of the debate. It made me critically consider both arguments

[@emouraaaa]

That’s so funny because I thought the same thing about Hannah when it came to her interactions with Molombo 👀

[@sarahb.8890]

@@emouraaaa both Hannah and Molombo were obnoxious (Hannah moreso by a small margin IMO, but that’s bc it was pretty clear that she was a media trained crony spouting nonsense talking points while Molombo just seemed to be an average dude with an outsized ego). The debate would have been 100x better and more productive if neither of them were there

[@Forcasify]

@@emouraaaaare you his gf or sumthin?

[@terraguttierez2996]

@@sarahb.8890are you kidding me? Shes "a media trained monkey" cause she cites facts that other communist countries starved their people and basically ruined everyones lives? Why dont you actually go to cambodia and look at their pol pot museum. Why dont you listen to the stories of chinese people leaving communist china. Why dont you look at the heath of china today? You people in the US are literally so blind to the experiences of actual communism.

[@Blakoss]

@@emouraaaaprobably because he was so patronising towards her. Props to her for keeping her composure