Can The Booster Course Pass ACTUALLY Be Fixed?

[@Sir_Musty]

Are you buying Rookie fella's pass or sticking with Nintendo's? Lemme know! Check out his other Mario Kart content (its good) www.youtube.com/@HDRookie

[@jumentoqueanima]

Yep.

[@NottsAiry]

I would if they kept the 3DS rainbow road music the same as 7.

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

I prefer what Nintendo gave us.

[@pxndaa]

1:46 Reddit is just an echo chamber where everyone has the same opinions. You get punished for having a different opinion by being downvoted to oblivion.

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

Depends on the sub, but overall I can relate 💀

[@HDRookie]

Thanks for the feature! Gotta make some rebuttals of course. Something I want to ask you guys - wanting Wave 6 to be better than Wave 3 just means you wanted to play a worse set of tracks for an additional year. Is a better "finale" actually better in practice? Because personally, I don't think it is. I will say also though, Wii RR being more popular than 3DS RR seems to be revisionist history. 3DS RR used to top all the ranking videos in the past. I like Wii RR more, but that has not always been public sentiment. I think the Wii fans are just hitting their nostalgia phase is all. I would say Wave 6 still might be better depending on your tastes also. I'd say BC4 is definitely the more ambitious course, the cities are more fitting of a finale, and while I agree with you that DDJ is better - I wasn't going to go against the "fans" in this regard. When doing the head to head comparisons at the end, the only page you didn't prefer was the replacements of MH and KC. However, you also said that 6 Wii tracks was still too many. If I didn't do these, the imbalance would leave 8 MKWii tracks in the game (including one that is quite literally a city in a DLC filled with cities). For me Gorge won a pick 'em between it and Koopa Cape. Toad's Factory just wasn't an option due to Tour, and besides, TC was in the cup anyway haha. But had I removed Gorge, I'm sure there would've been a lot of blowback too. Having Mushroom Bridge in also gave me that "Mushroom" track, and a beach course was still necessary. Maybe you prefer Cheep Cheep Island because you don't like N64 courses, but N64 had a small tally. Including another GBA track there forces GBA LC out of my pass, which was the replacement for Daisy Circuit (yet another Wii course). And you liked its replacement (DDR) a lot more, which allowed me to select a desert track that wasn't Sunset Wilds, which you also liked. Keep in mind that for this full puzzle to work, I can't "upgrade" literally everything. If you want to properly balance, some losses must be taken with the gains. Imo if you prefer my tracks, I find it strange that you'd side with Nintendo. At the end of the day, tracks is what this all comes down to. I agree that Wave 4 was the best wave of the original BCP, but in this timeline, we wouldn't know that. There is nothing in particular that states that Wave 4 must be inherently better than the others - and with how slow the BCP started, I think it would be better to well move up some of its gems. Not only would we get to play those gems for longer, but it makes sense for Wave 3 to be a stronger wave (since its on the right side of the screen). I think people would expect a hype ending in Wave 6, and I believe we still deliver on that with fan favs such as 3DS RR, DKM, and MT, along with some of the best cities and an ambitious remake like BC4. I was willing to accept some dropoff from Wave 3 to Wave 4, because the tradeoff in my mind was a much better 2022. If you think the overall track package was better, it's hard for me to wonder why youre 2023 wouldn't be better either. Some other notes - Coconut Mall and Shy Guy Bazaar clearly have different vibes, but it feels like two completely different ways of doing the same general idea. We've had 2 Luigi tracks in the same cup before (MK7 Shell), but it would be harder for me to imagine Luigi's Mansion sharing that cup with Ghost Valley 1. One is a boardwalk and one is a haunted house, but the spooky vibe is still covered twice in the cup, I'd say. And still, I don't think anyone is placing TH/CCI in the same cup to begin with. I covered this in my recent videos, but the Toad Circuit argument runs further down the road than just the Booster Pass. Future game selections have been overloaded with early circuit tracks that haven't returned yet (Figure-8 Circuit being one of 3 remaining DS tracks, 2 of 5 remaining Wii tracks being circuits, etc). I don't believe we are living in a world where we can just kick the can down the road forever - the bill comes due at some point, and as mentioned, Nintendo seems to clearly prioritize bringing back everything at this point. There was not a single other retro opening circuit in Mario Kart 8 across 95 other tracks. If you didn't get one in the Booster Pass, we would be more likely to get 2 in the next game, and I don't think Nintendo ever had plans of doing this. So while you could say Toad Circuit would be more appreciated in a Shell Cup, Wii Luigi Circuit could be as well. Or Figure 8 Circuit. Or even Mario Kart Stadium. There are so many options still for the next game that can fit this role that the question wasn't if MK9 could've used Toad Circuit, it was how they could find themselves in a situation down the road where they don't have to put Figure 8 Circuit and Toad Circuit in the same cup or something. Honestly, all the hate would've been fine if they just made it look presentable. That was perhaps the bigger problem than track quality. I also felt that MC3 was a much bigger problem than Toad Circuit was, if I'm being honest. Perhaps you felt I had too many circuits, but I actually had less than Nintendo did! Also, I'm not budging on the Peach Gardens take. Luigi's Mansion clears, and the reverse lap 3 is an absolute circus. The issue isn't that there's even a shortcut at the end - it is that it is such a big shortcut that it is literally faster for first place to go through the grass patch slowly, which makes them completely vulnerable to the entire lobby, for doing what the game incentivizes you to do (be fast). It's only a really big deal in your more competitive matches, but quite frankly, it makes the track infinitely less enjoyable for me which is sad, considering the track feels overall nicer than it's ever been with all the added tricks spots. When going really slow offroad, your options to escape chaos fall to almost zero. I just find it to be awful track design that makes bagging more powerful, something that the casual players also hate. Weirdly, the casual players seem to think players like me love bagging, when in reality, I want a game that makes it less strong. Nintendo's approach was to change the item system in Wave 6, but I honestly think there were healthier approaches to achieve that goal. Anyways, I've seen some criticism on this video before, but I understand that no matter what you do, you will likely be removing someone's favorite track somewhere. This is a hard balancing act to make everyone happy, so I'll take pride in the fact that you felt the need to say "you're technically not wrong" for many of my decisions 😊 It was a fun watch though! Always interesting to see how people perceive things differently than me. As I said though, it's always best to put yourself up for scrutiny. Would love to see how you'd change things!

[@Sir_Musty]

Happy you took the time to watch it, it was a great time! 😁 Written responses are not so much my forte (especially in between all these night shifts im doing) so i'll be going over your comment on stream next week, i'll come back here with a timestamped link if you fancy seeing it! Now im just realising i'll probably have to make my own BCP and im dreading it!

[@HDRookie]

@@Sir_Musty Ready to come at you questioning where all the N64 tracks are at :)

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

Tbh even if 3DS Rainbow Road is gaining popularity, Wii is still a better finale due to how much more difficult it is. The music is more climactic and uplifting in Wii than in 3DS as well.

[@HDRookie]

@@CaptainRillaboomArmenia I don't know if I would agree with the difficulty part anymore. Wii RR was very hard in MKWii, but the new mechanics take away a lot of that difficulty now IMO. 3DS RR's theme I find to be reflective also, which is not necessarily a bad thing for a finale either.

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

@@HDRookieThe thing is, Wii RR is still the harder one. Plus, I think with the music being more reminiscent of a final boss, it feels more climactic. Something about the theme & atmosphere of 3DS RR also makes this track feel like the start of something better and grander. Perfect for the halfway point. For Wave 3 being the peak, I strongly disagree. Wave 6 will be the final ounce of content we’ll get in Mario Kart for a while. So it’s only logical to have it being the peak. Fans can therefore have a good final impression because that’s probably how many of them will remember the franchise for the next few years until MK9 comes out. If Wave 6 is underwhelming, it will certainly leave a sour taste in fans’ mouths. Especially with the step back you decided to take after Wave 3. That would just straight up disappoint fans. Thank you for putting Merry Mountain in another spot though, there is no excuse for this track coming just before a Rainbow Road, whether it’s the 3DS one or the Wii one.

[@rustyshackleford234]

How I would “fix” the BCP: -sunset wilds replaced with GBA bowser’s castle 4, and moved to right before 3DS rainbow road. Merry mountain would be moved to where boo lake is, and boo lake would take sunset wild’s old spot. -Rock Rock mountain replaced with Wario shipyard. -Toad circuit replaced with Daisy hills. -sky garden and snow land switch spots, sky garden is replaced with piranha plant pipeline, piranha plant pipeline and Rosalina’s ice world switch spots. And yep that’s pretty much all I would do. Here’s a quick summary: -wario shipyard replaces rock rock mountain -GBA bowser’s castle 4 replaces sunset wilds. -Daisy hills replaces toad circuit. -Piranha plant pipeline replaces sky garden. And then they’d get moved around to what I said above.

[@lukebower8365]

Musty saying we are back to a desert track That's when u know dry dry ruins is quality

[@superraul6449]

Or how shit 7PM Set Wilds is

[@birbfactss]

SNES MC3 is gone? Whole BCP is saved. I'm not crying, I'm cheering

[@maruigi1123]

For me, “fixing” the BCP would be replacing MC3 with DS Peak Mansion, for I am a simple man

[@albertmustardhotdog2318]

*Boston Building

[@jumentoqueanima]

Good track but MC3 is also fun.

[@shanegiorgio4713]

Even if it had to be replaced by an SNES course, they could have at least gone with Mario Circuit 4 just to make it something new

[@shanegiorgio4713]

@@Lucid_PZPL right, forgot about that

[@Leaked_Footage_79]

@@albertmustardhotdog2318 zoo wee mama

[@MinisterChicken]

Shoutout to wave 3 for being peak in both Nintendo’s reality, and HDrookies reality :)

[@jumentoqueanima]

Yesir.

[@TJ-Henry-Yoshi]

23:21 SNES BC2?? I LOVE THAT TRACK SO MUCH! I've always talked about how much they could transform the meme dead-end into a really cool shortcut! Unfortunately much to my dismay, SNES BC 2 is not in tour, so this hypothetical isn't possible

[@Leaked_Footage_79]

Weird how bc2 is always the bottom of the list in many rankings

[@TJ-Henry-Yoshi]

@@Leaked_Footage_79 I get it, in the original SNES/GBA versions, there is not enough to indicate that one turn is a feather shortcut, and that can be frustrating on a track the blends together with its 3+ other tracks variants. If you're a psychopath that has an entire section of your brain dedicated to mapping out every single Mario kart track ever made like me, it's cool as fuck, but most Mario kart players are just trying to sight-read them

[@De_an]

You know what I just realized? His Feather Cup is just: flat track, flat track, flat track, the most complex track you'll ever see.

[@Sir_Musty]

i like me some flatness sometimes, y'know?

[@castform7]

I mean....KTB has ramps. Rome has some elevation too. You literally go up stairs. Doesn't change the fact that Feather's still mid city.

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

@@castform7They are still simple tracks. It’s literally simple track, simple track, simple track, very complex track.

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

5:45 Yeah lol, I was shocked when he put Mario Circuit 3 higher than Maple Treeway💀

[@Alfonzo69420]

Still has toad circuit not fixed

[@BN10702]

On the topic of fixing the BCP. Sunset Wilds pisses me off. Even outside of the obvious sunset being gone, the layout was ruined too. A lot of risk & reward segments, from the bumps and speedramps lined up to the speedramps on the shy guy tent road to the hops in the mudslicks the course’s layout just got unnecessarily neutered. Maybe thats why the dancing shy guys aren’t so memorable, they’re so easy to dodge and there’s no risk & reward with speed ramps

[@andrewwelch5302]

While it wouldn't fix everything, Airship Fortress' exclusion from the BCP was an oversight bordering on lunacy by the big N.

[@jumentoqueanima]

Toad circuit better.

[@castform7]

I really do appreciate someone who can explain their reasoning for an opinion and even try to put their own hat in the ring to see how what they would do under the same circumstances would stack up. That being said, Rookie really showed how hard picking 48 tracks under the Nintendo mindset is since I can't really tell if I would like this or the one we have now. I also just wholeheartedly (and respectfully) disagree with his take on Toad Circuit. I get the mindset but would kicking the can down the line really be that bad. If Toad Circuit was in the Shell Cup of the next game, I say that's fine, it's standard fair for the Shell Cup to usually featuring at best Flower Cup courses from previous games. This would be no different from Luigi Raceway in 7, a track everyone is fine with even if it's kinda boring.

[@callumsparrow4379]

As (mostly) great as Rookie’s BCP video is, one aspect I do take issue with is him not considering when the retro courses were released in Tour in relation to the BCP. Prime example being SNES BC3 where it released mid-2023 so realistically it couldn’t have been in the BCP before Wave 5, which is strange since he’s deliberately sticking to the same restrictions as Nintendo.

[@YoyIeCake]

To be fair some tracks like Shroom Ridge, Waluigi Stadium and even Tour originals like Sky High Sundae & Yoshi's Island did infact appear in 8DX before Tour

[@keksidy]

Even with their reasoning for keeping Toad Circuit in mind, just moving it into the 2nd wave turns it from a disappointing pick to a confusing AND disappointing pick

[@Sir_Musty]

I think the logic was to move it out of Wave 1 so the BCP doesn't have such a dud in it to lower its first impression, which i dont disagree with him on that My issue, as i said in the video, was it could've been saved for the Shell Cup retro in a future game

[@BiffWeed]

Noticing a distinct lack of N64 Sherbet Land in this lineup…

[@Sir_Musty]

gonna tell him to re-up the whole thing now, its unwatchable

[@BiffWeed]

@@Sir_Musty where are the penguins? There's no penguin themed track, where are the penguins?

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

@@BiffWeed PENGUIN SUPREMACY

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

@@BiffWeed Snow Land has da penguins :3

[@TriCraft1]

I’m late but HE POSTED ANOYHER VIDEO GUYS, COME WATCH NOW!!!

[@benlechner6352]

His track selection is great but I feel like the peak should be in wave 6 and not 3. An ultimate bcp would arrange the track in a way that the quality gets better at every wave and wave 6 being the best of the best for the grand finale

[@supaskiltz9877]

Ever since DK mountain was picked over Dino Dino Jungle I always believed that the tracks in the BCP were picked based off of their appearance in Wii, even if they weren’t Wii tracks. Looking at waves 6s Bowsers Castle 3 made me realise the reason why Mario Circuit 3 is so ass isn’t because Nintendo are lazy (entirely) but because that’s how everyone remembers the track, because of the Wii iteration. I can guarantee if whatever flat Bowsers Castle that made it into Wii picked over SNES Bowser Castle 3, it would’ve been flat. Mario Circuit 3 was ruined due to Nintendo nostalgia baiting the Wii and I’m glad this guy deleted it forever lol.

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

Actually, it depends on their Tour version. GBA BC3 wouldn’t have the same background as in Wii because of this.

[@OfficialDJ_Ninja]

The only way to fix the booster course pass is to remove daisy circuit

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

No. Remove Toad Circuit & Mario Circuit 3.

[@summysailar]

While there are interesting picks here and there, I still disagree with some changes and placements. Maybe I should make one of my own.

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

Toad Circuit is even worse in Wave 2 of this universe because we have several fan-favorites in Wave 1, then we start Wave 2 with a hated starter course 💀

[@diabeticman2194]

I think this is the first time I’ve heard someone mention CreepyProduce since his cancellation, what a sad downfall he had. HDRookie definitely peaked too early, as a wave 4 enjoyer it was sad to see it get decapitated

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

I forgive him because I sincerely believe he changed for the better, but *DAM*, is his MK8DX ranking weird. Ranking Madrid Drive last, MC3 in the top 10, being higher than Maple Treeway AND Squeaky-Clean Sprint, Yoshi's Island in 60th place, a SNES track in 1st place, this is...original, I guess. I agree with the statement that HDRookie’s BCP peaked too early. Like, honestly, I’d be pretty underwhelmed if the Moon Cup was that great, only to have 2 lame cups later. Wave 6 would also be pretty disappointing. I think the ending wave should be the peak, because it gives the player a hype factor as it’s the grand finale, and the last ounce of content we’ll get in MK for a while. So Wave 6 being underwhelming will leave a poor final impression on the players.

[@eswatomo]

now you need to make your own,,

[@Sir_Musty]

No chance, I'll leave it to the experts!

[@eswatomo]

@@Sir_Musty personally i think you are already the expert, looking at how many of these videos you've made, but thats fine

[@YandelColon69]

I’m going in this blind so if it says number 1 add the sunset in sunset wilds I’m actually gonna burst out laughing

[@Fivescorpion]

Great video

[@Sir_Musty]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@DrapionMaster2]

My fixed bcp WAVE 1 Golden Dash: Tour Paris Promenade SNES Mario Circuit 1 N64 Choco Mountain Wii Coconut Mall Lucky Cat: Tour Tokyo Blurr DS Shroom Ridge 3DS Shy Guy Bazaar - - - Ninja Hideaway

[@dogdudewow]

The patch notes are in! Wave 4 has been nerfed!

[@Brad766-]

Dino Dino Jungle supremacy ✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊

[@linguine2081]

Collab with rookie when ⁉️

[@welcome2hi]

Yoo Rookie hype, let’s go Edit: I honestly think Wave 3 being the peak makes a lot of sense because of the context of when these waves released. Wave 3 is right before the holidays, and showcasing a fantastic wave when people are in the mood to spend money is brilliant. I don’t disagree with the idea that the waves should get better as time goes on, but Wave 4 being the peak doesn’t make that much sense to me.

[@Sir_Musty]

The holidays might've been a better time business wise but until i get me some of those Nintendo stocks on my portfolio, the later the peak, the better

[@mailpaper7754]

I got 3 things. 1. While I like the route Rookie took with the BCP, some of the decisions feel odd. I disagree with Toad Circuit but see his point, but wtf why is it in wave 2??? And I don't get why he didn't understand Nintendo shuffling the nitro placements so he wants to keep them the same, but then puts Cove in the 2nd slot?? 2. I was talking with a friend and we were talking about the BCP we got vs the BCP that we were set to get with the leaks, and I wish they didn't change anything. Wii did not deserve 2 more tracks when they were set to get 6 already, and Moonview Highway and Daisy Circuit were awful picks. Whether you think MH was too hard or not, 8DX's version is an oversimplification and is just boring. I'd rather a difficult track since then you can get better at it, a boring track with always be boring. And Daisy Circuit is just an awful pick for wave 6 when we could've (AND SHOULD'VE) gotten Pipeline, or even DDR was right there but nooo, the circuit track is the best option! Also pissed Double Dash lost a track considering how many bangers there are. DDJ would've been fine next to DKM even though they share music, you babies crying about that are ridiculous. 3. If I were Nintendo I would've evened things out a little bit more and make this the track pool: SNES - 2 N64 - 3 GBA - 5 GCN - 5 DS - 5 Wii 5 3DS - 4

[@HDRookie]

What 5 GCN tracks would you choose though? You'd have to select both DK Mountain and Dino Dino Jungle to make it work.

[@mailpaper7754]

@@HDRookie Idk why I didn't get notified about this comment so I'm a little late but I personally don't see an issue with both being in even if they share music. Its a game with 96 tracks, plus we got 2 tracks that share music in. I don't see how 4 tracks sharing music is the end of the world, in fact I believe their plan was to actually have both DDJ and DKM in but removed one for another stupid Wii track and so MT could come early.

[@simonesf86]

My opinion on toad circuit...just give it the n64 wario stadium and toad's factory treatment and dont bring it back,that simple man,no one was begging for it to come back,so dont bring it back,unless if you want it for a shell cup starter ig.(gcn luigi circuit better)

[@Sky_8dx]

They should fix bAD by getting rid of it! (bAD funnily enough means Amsterdam drift lmao)

[@average_youtube_commenter]

i was on board until he just ruined my children waves 4 and 5

[@mizutsunebubbledragon3382]

Avoid the pokemon scarlet/violet reddit then. Place is awful and you can't criticize anything, valid or not.

[@mizutsunebubbledragon3382]

Granted, a lot of reddit are echo chambers. It's an inevitably

[@CaptainRillaboomArmenia]

I know the opposite, lol. If you hate this, avoid a French KZbinr (I won't name him because I don't want this guy's fans to insult me, or French-talking viewers here to insult him) like the plague. He made a video that literally demolished Pokémon Scarlet and Violet. His channel always has an echo chamber feel, but in this comment section, this EC problem is at its worst. You get punished for defending GameFreak or considering the game good by being insulted and seen as everyone's metaphorical toilet rather than a human. And that's not the only echo chamber comment section. This KZbinr said that Gen 4 is objectively mediocre and that Gen 5 is objectively the best. So if you think that Gen 4 is great or that Gen 5 is bad, you'll also get insulted to oblivion, or called "nostalgia-blind" by all of his fans.

[@callumsparrow4379]

Not sure if you’ll do any reacting/ roasting of Fan-made BCPs in the future like you did with hypothetical Mario Kart 9 retros, but if you do I like to see what you’d think of my picks if I directed it: * Wave 1 - Golden Dash Cup TOUR New York Minute N64 Koopa Troopa Beach DS Luigi’s Mansion TOUR Tokyo Blur - Lucky Cat Cup TOUR Paris Promenade WII Mushroom Gorge 3DS Shy Guy Bazaar Ninja Hideaway * Wave 2 - Turnip Cup TOUR London Loop N64 Kalimari Desert GBA Luigi Circuit DS Waluigi Pinball - Propeller Cup TOUR Vancouver Velocity WII Coconut Mall 3DS Mario Circuit Sky-High Sundae * Wave 3 - Rock Cup TOUR L.A Laps N64 Frappe Snowland GCN Daisy Cruiser DS Shroom Ridge - Moon Cup TOUR Berlin Byways WII DK Snowboard Summit 3DS Wario Galleon Merry Mountain * Wave 4 - Fruit Cup TOUR Sydney Sprint GBA Cheep Cheep Island GCN Waluigi Stadium TOUR Singapore Speedway - Boomerang Cup TOUR Amsterdam Drift DS Airship Fortress WII Maple Treeway Yoshi’s Island * Wave 5 - Feather Cup TOUR Bangkok Rush N64 Choco Mountain (no barrier on 150cc - 200cc) GCN Dino Dino Jungle DS Peach Gardens - Cherry Cup TOUR Athens Dash WII Koopa Cape 3DS Rosalina’s Ice World Squeaky Clean Sprint * Wave 6 - Acorn Cup TOUR Rome Avanti Piranha Plant Cove SNES Bowser Castle 3 WII Rainbow Road - Spiny Cup TOUR Madrid Drive Warp Pipe Canyon GBA Bowser Castle 4 3DS Rainbow Road