Can the Fastest CART Car Beat An F1 Backmarker?

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Do you prefer early 2000s CART or F1?

[@gmoneyp3672]

F1

[@RicoOCHO85]

CART

[@zlightlylesssnail1337]

CART

[@MrBarniculusBaboonicalshire]

f1

[@amjan]

CART >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> F3000 >>>>>>>>>> F1

[@IndyF1FanMarquis]

Considering how much heavier the ChampCar is, the steel brakes and lesser aero, the engine was definitely the difference maker. CART engines just don't get enough credit for how much power and torque they put out of 2.65 liters.

[@m_cabral]

And rather appropriate for this competition as it was a derivative and evolution of an F1 engine.

[@brunomarques9381]

Slick tyre

[@davidburke2132]

One of the reasons being the methanol fuel which has better knock resistance and a higher conversion efficiency than gasoline which results in an engine optimised to run out it having higher output than a gasoline equivalent.

[@DaUhl]

its because of the slick tyres. If the f1 Car would have the slicks it'll be about 3 seconds faster at Spa.

[@Riccardo-ej8cd]

It was turbo

[@kwanlinus6999]

Consdering the CART had the far superior engine, it just shows how much better F1 aero development was, even among backmarkers, compared to the CARTs. The Arrow's engine alone stood no chance to be honest. It was acceleration and low to mid-speed corners which saved the F1 from falling even further behind.

[@amjan]

Don't forget the Reynard was much heavier and had steel brake discs, unlike the carbon discs used in F1.

[@Jackal_Watery]

The "backmarker" is an RSS 2000 V10 that is supposed to replicate the 2000 championship winning Ferrari, not a "backmarker"

[@johnulmerRacing]

With an open track, the F1 would have been a few seconds faster. It was being slowed down by the Indy car in the corners.

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@Jackal_WateryArrows A22 F1 car still had 780bhp despite running as a backmarker.

[@crismairo]

If this race happened IRL, it would have been a symphony. Pure music👌

[@thegreenberetlife0191]

That was a Champ Car (a real Indy Car) IRL cars were $hitboxes…

[@danielhenderson8316]

@@thegreenberetlife0191 IRL also stands for "In Real Life."

[@purwantiallan5089]

It could happen hopefully in 2025.

[@ElectoneGuy]

No effing way. Just look at the lap times of F1 vs Champ Car at Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in the 2000s to see the real difference. F1 was faster by 5 to 7 seconds per lap.

[@continentalrcinglg]

Why did the Penske CART switch from Castroneves to de Ferran mid-lap? 🤨

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Oops

[@theonetheonlyjoey]

Great spot

[@Jimmy_Broadbent]

Appreciate these videos are made for entertainment, but the F1 car should have walked this. Put them on an oval and it's a different story obvs.

[@skive_1888]

I reckon any other track and F1 wins, but Spa has huge straights which heavily suited the CART. Put them on the barcelona GP circuit and f1 would probably win.

[@johnulmerRacing]

If they were in a qual format, the F1 would have a considerably faster line. The Indy car was slowing it down significantly in the corners.

[@Nichaansama]

Didn't know the Jimmy Broadbent watches these videos

[@jonnies]

The CART would also have a good shot at Montreal and would probably win at old Hockenheim.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@jonniesold Hockenheim maybe Canada no we have lap times from when they went Canada Edit - but I think people underestimate how much time a F1 car makes up from braking and cornering compared to every other series in the world

[@jonnies]

The 2000 Arrows (if only it were more reliable) was actually one of the fastest cars on the high speed circuits. It was known for having very low-drag aero so could hold its own for top speed. It was a visually gorgeous design also.

[@LARRY_HOLMES_88]

It’s arrows 2001

[@jonnies]

@ nope. The 2000 was slightly faster compared to the competition, but very unreliable.

[@VinsUplifting]

@@jonnies And i would add the A21 was not a backmarker but a solid midfield team. Actually, not a lof of people know that but Verstappen had the quickest speed ever at Hockenheim (without a slipstream) at 356.5 kph...

[@DJKLIBRA]

Good memories ❤ Malaysia 2001, Canada 2000. But only 7/17 races finished in 2000 and 2 time in the points! (Top 6 at the time).

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@jonniesi remembered a lot that 2000 Arrows F1 team was quite competitive at the hands of Ves (Jos Verstappen) and Enrique Bernoldi.

[@gregrowe1168]

The slowest F1 car is like saying you’re the least attractive model on the runway. You’re still amazing, just not quite as amazing as your peers.

[@purwantiallan5089]

The slowest F1 car always has best looks. Like the Minardi M199 for example.😅

[@Rager1981]

@@purwantiallan5089 You spelled 1989 Eurobrun wrong.

[@steventearle6459]

Jos Verstappen qualified with a time of 1:53.912 for the 2000 Belgian Grand Prix, a full 6 seconds faster than the theoretical qualifying time from this simulation. His team mate was even faster with a 1:53.237, 2.6 seconds behind the pole position.

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Yeah but Spa had a different layout back then, much slower.

[@drewgriffithsfm]

⁠@@THEWINDTUNNELThe last race on this layout had a pole time of 1:43.726 in 2002. The first race on the current layout was a 1:45.994. One could say that the 2007 cars were quicker than the 2002 cars, so let’s compare fair times from 2002 to 2007 on a track that didn’t change, Albert Park. The 2002 Australian Grand Prix pole time was a 1:25.843, while the 2007 race there had a pole time of 1:26.072. This all means that the new Spa layout isn’t much slower at all compared to the old one last used in 2002. The real reason for perhaps 90% of the different between this lap and the one the two drivers did in qualifying for the 2000 Belgian Grand Prix is the lap in this video began with a standing start. That already adds several seconds to the lap compared to a flying lap, probably around 5 seconds here.

[@AustinDickerson2001Tiger]

The man who drove in an Arrows looks like his son could win multiple World Drivers Championships in a Red Bull.

[@Mbarnstein62891]

What the Cart car lacks in acceleration, makes up for in top speed.

[@simplygregsterev]

You don’t need a sim to tell you this. F1 and CART ran at in Montreal. Pole in CART was 1:18.959 vs F1 1:12.836. Race race was 1:15.960 F1 vs 1:20.238 CART Those cars were absolute beasts in both series. Champcar racing in the mid 90s was an F1 rival

[@jamesbrennan5457]

1995 F1 vs 1996 CART or 1996 F1 vs 1996 CART would be a good comparison.

[@owleagle5072]

Spa with its long full throttle passages is advantageous for the CART

[@Lada-cq2lr]

That Arrows interior sound was music to my ears

[@purwantiallan5089]

Absolutely. Especially the F2002, McLaren MP4-17 and Minardi PS01 as well.

[@catjudo1]

I would love to see this comparison at the old Hockenheim layout. Monza too.

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Easy money for the CART

[@The52car]

Lets do it anyways ​@@THEWINDTUNNEL

[@basicgroove]

More CART 💪🔥

[@greedo-dv6ev]

Very cool video, excited for the next!

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Thanks!

[@double.u1577]

I don't think it's quite a backmarker, since RSS based this car off the 2000 Ferrari F1-2000, which was the tied for the best car with the 2000 McLaren MP4-15. If the hp, torque and aero data is not changed, it's the best car of the year 2000, the Ferrari F1-2000.

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

We adjusted it’s performance to match the Arrows

[@rvanleersum]

Miss CART, was amazing. Especially when they ran the race in my hometown for many years. My only gripe with this test is the champ car got the benefit of two slipstreams to keep pace and pass. I think a quali hot lap from both would see a different outcome.

[@simplygregsterev]

That 1995-2005 period in Motorsports was fabulous. It was absolute peak

[@rvanleersum]

@@simplygregsterev Totally agree. Started going to Molson Indy in Vancouver in 1995 when Jacques Villeneuve was there and was there at least one of the days every year till its demise. When Jacques got his jump to F1, I started the 5am wake ups on Sundays to watch the races.

[@simplygregsterev]

@ Its to think at one point CART was the F1 feeder series

[@thechannelimashamedof2361]

What is the fastest Corvette around Le Mans? Corvette C8.R (GTE) vs Corvette Daytona Prototype vs Corvette C6R (GT1) vs Corvette GTP

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Definitely doing that one

[@thechannelimashamedof2361]

@@THEWINDTUNNEL Thank you!

[@mrbelleza]

I think you should have done this challenge in the early 2000s Spa layout... would have been an accurate challenge within the era

[@TheBillzilla]

I think that on a clear track in isolation the F1 car would lap faster though, it was being held up in the corners a fair bit by the Indycar.

[@westernbigfootexploration]

No power steering, steel breaks, way heavier, slick tires, less aero. 90s Cart were just MONSTERS

[@StocktonCrushedd]

That's a Ferrari F1-2000 with Arrow skin bro

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

But Arrows performance 🙃

[@nicoareche]

Penske 1999... RIP GONCHI

[@l-_-lShadowCat]

All things considered, it all depends ultimately on the regulations in place, and how engineers go about doing their work within those restrictions.

[@FamilyMotorsports87]

whoa whoa whoa, f1 drivers never run that close behind another car through a corner

[@FlashoftheBlades]

1:21 Oh, shit! That was almost a wheel-to-wheel smash!

[@rondog540]

I know its just a bit of fun, but the CART car would never have been able to follow that closely behind the Arrows' dirty air through Eau Rouge

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Eau Rouge is so easy flat out that dirty air barely makes a difference, you can see how in real life every kind of car is able to do it flat on someone’s tow

[@Dartingleopard]

​@THEWINDTUNNEL Yeah. As long as you have grip to do so, and your car isn't understeering, Eau Rouge is easy to go flat out on.

[@mondexponent2126]

It was also Slicks vs Grooved tyres

[@thedogethatgames]

Now do this but with cars from 2016, I wanna see a Manor vs a DW-12

[@mabelpup8502]

Rolling start!!!

[@thegreattreon0177]

How about doing a video of the 1994 Penske with The Beast vs an F1 car from the same year?

[@The52car]

YESSS

[@danielhenderson8316]

It would do worse than the "Reynske" since it had only a small power advantage with much worse aero.

[@oker59]

okay - how about put the honda engine of the 1988 mclaren in the 1988 March/Leyton house car? And see which car wins! Also, put the lamborgini engine that Ayrton Senna wanted Mclaren to put in the 1993 Mclaren McLaren MP4/8 and see if it can beat the Williams FW15C car of the same year

[@oker59]

there's all kinds of videos on youtube about that Lamborgini engine that Ro Dennis chose not to put in there.

[@cobyspaceman]

The cart almost looks familiar like an 2024 F1 car

[@davidsutton4670]

Do this at Monza, would be fascinated to see it too.

[@BouncingCow]

I would lovve to see the same with quali laps, because my impression was that the arrows got held up in the twisty parts and would have gained quite some time.

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

You have those qualy laps at the end of the video

[@purwantiallan5089]

Next should try the 2024 IndyCars against the Super Aguri SA06. Still cant belive that even on a backmarker, the Arrows A21 2000 F1 car still able to beat the fastest CART NTT INDYCAR Racecar.

[@scottdehaan5864]

Awesome race! I thought F1 was gonna take it at the end with its better acceleration! Just ran out of time!

[@Jaime_Roda]

I think if the F1 would overtake the CART in Pouhon, it would have won the race. I want to see a comparison with the Ferrari

[@ImInLoveWithBulla]

New question. What was the best looking open wheeler of all time? CART walks that.

[@billymays7210]

MP4B IMO

[@machecor]

To be fair, all of us here will be sure to think Helio or De Ferran would beat Pedro de la Rosa and Max's daddy in the same machinery.

[@ohiopower]

Considering at the peak of Indycar the car was a 10th of what the F1 car cost. I would hope the F1 car would be a bit quicker.

[@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance]

For once, an F1 vs IndyCar (CART) comment section that is civil, and respectful towards both series... then Jimmy Broadbent showed up 🤦‍♂️

[@epicmotorsport856]

lmao

[@chee_wai]

Won the race but it's not faster. It held the F1 car up for almost the entire second sector where the F1 would pull a big enough gap to not get passed on the back straight. Spa is a good track for comparison

[@keesvrins8410]

The bad F1 car of jos verstappen.

[@GCoimbra40]

How about you make the perfect f1 car? The one with the most hp, most top speed, most grip, the best of the best... against the red bull x11 thing or was is it called?

[@melegattie4116]

The x1 can lap nordschleife in +3 minutes in assetto (mod) or gt, there is no F1 no matter the power and tires that can compare to that...

[@minecraftveteran7410]

The Red Bull X2010 or X2014 is pretty much what would happen if F1 cars had no limits.

[@danielhenderson8316]

Or just give the Ferrari or Williams 2004 cars modern slick tires.

[@OldSkoolCarpMan]

This should be fastest lap Vs fastest lap to be truly representative. As is often the case the power car gets ahead and the game AI is unable to overtake. Clearly the F1 car would've been faster over the lap with it's superior handling but I guess that doesn't garner clicks and views.

[@antonelloateloanto]

only just

[@neycandido5540]

I guess the 2027 Indycar will be very close of a 2027 F1. Indycars are trying to be faster while F1 must be slower. But F1 can improve faster.

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Will see 👀

[@xCKx_MightyRay]

It may seem wired but hear me out. What happens when you have the 2000 CART Car with the Modern F1 Specs. I’m talking about faster Horsepower, lighter weight, Perelli tires and 2024 F1 downforce, no DRS.

[@mcbeaulieu]

But the Arrows is just an F1-2000 reskin... Probably not accurate enough, sorry 🤷

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

It is, but we adjusted it’s performance

[@Čangrizavi_Cinik]

If you want to turn - you want to drive a F1. If you want to go straight fast - CART.

[@MikeVlcek]

Don't know it this is accurate...

[@mcbeaulieu]

My doubt comes from the fact that this Arrows is a reskin of the F1-2000

[@emilekaram6094]

But Minardi was far worse than this

[@larryfigueroa2346]

El de este canal se ve que no sabe nada de carros de F1 ni de cart en las primeras 2 curvas el Formula uno se le va por mucho deja el payaseo que este video que acabas de poner es una mentira aprende mas antes de querer engañar a las personas 🔊🔊🔊

[@larryfigueroa2346]

Y si lo ponen en un avalo el F1 con poca carga aerodinámica gana igualmente o se les olvida que los F1 o los que los construyen son los dueño de la ingeniería automotriz en una pista por vuelta le podria sacar un F1 a un cart de 10 a 15 segundo mejor lea y vea para que aprenda

[@AlexisMigueles]

I love Cart, but any F1 from that era (2004 were the fastest) reached 360 km/h at the end of the straight. so stop fooling yourself

[@alfredp.1346]

It's not real ! 👎

[@Rizen8893]

F1!!!!

[@TJAMES19831]

No way would the Indy be that close to the F1 car through Eau Rogue.

[@karolrajchemba4582]

Miałbym dylemat.Pokazcie te fury ludkom z FIA.Oni coś tam majaczą że to sport głównie dla fanów. Czekamy.

[@jonasdk6436]

Day 3 of asking for 3 group c cars to race 3 hypercars

[@jidearojo]

Message to every other racing class F1: We will always be the best and fastest group in racing with corners!

[@mikecalver6117]

Hardly accurate, the champ cart would have been a second slower through Eau Rouge alone, attempting it at that speed and it would be in the gravel, in bits. Arrows should be 5/6 seconds a lap quicker

[@Bikerz_rule]

Hard to believe. The steel brakes vs F1 carbon brakes plus F1 cornering....I don't buy it. That said Indycar could try and make it a real world series by visiting Spa and actually proving how good the Indycar could be around that legendary circuit.

[@rakoskar]

The arrows is way faster. It losed easily 5 seconds behind the indycar

[@MidnightRunner32]

The fastest CarCar? 🧐

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

CART car 🤣

[@thinkglobalactlocal4049]

1st

[@Sir-Lewis-P-Diddy-Hamilton]

Champ car ain’t taking eau rouge, pouhon or blanchimont near that speed

[@jamesdenny5078]

Arrows was not a back marker, they consistently scored loads of points in f1 and nearly won races.

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

They were back markers at Spa (they finished 15th & 16th out of 17 cars, were over 3 sec off)

[@VinsUplifting]

@@THEWINDTUNNEL Was going to say that Arrows wasn't a back markers but you are right Spa for some reasons wasn't a great track for them which was a surprise as they were quite good in Canada (the most similar track).