Can the NEW Better Devils Compete? (GOD Roll Review) | Destiny 2 The Final Shape

[@igraviks7899]

epic doom and gloom video break

[@truv_]

holy shit its him

[@Barleh]

And better devils of all things 😂

[@GFlight.916]

And it's a copy-paste of FalloutPlays

[@ogroguerc]

@@GFlight.916 D2 is the main game for both of them, and they're content creators, so yeah, they're going to make the same stuff. At the end of the day, it just comes down to who you prefer to listen to. Their livelihoods literally depend on them streaming and/or making videos about the stuff they play.

[@GFlight.916]

@@ogroguerc apologists are gross.

[@Dennys0808]

For PVP, I think Cross slept on Perpetual Motion for this thing. +20 Stability, +20 Handling, +20 Reload simply for moving around the map. Perpetual Motion + Zen Moment is a really fantastic dueling roll.

[@ofekmizrahi3079]

NOT compared to any other hand cannon that has those stats without even needing those perk then either them on top or explosive payload eots or moving target or all of these S tier perks

[@Tehkneekz]

rapid hit is better

[@Guile_The_Exile]

PC players bruh.

[@Kirbsster]

Perpetual motion is great honestly. Usually takes the same amount of time to proc to get into a gunfight, so its almost always up. If the thing that worries you the most about a weapon is its base stats, then dont use it. Sure there are better weapons, but the farmability of this is literally just play crucible. It only costs 1 crucible engram to focus.

[@Dennys0808]

@@Tehkneekz Objectively false.

[@bonjoviburneraccount8148]

Not sure who doesn't know, but Slice can proc Stylish Executioner on Prismatic Hunter on every kill

[@blackyonbi]

Everything procs stylish executioners with primaatic hunter.

[@user-rj4pq7lm1n]

@@blackyonbiexactly lol. perks like incandescent and destabilizing rounds can do it in 2 kills and without having to use a class ability

[@VD1461]

literally everything procs stylish executioner

[@denny8422]

WHO needed to be told this 😭😂

[@muzak313]

Wicked Implement entered the chat

[@deniswith1n]

The nadir trait gives it the secret sauce in crucible. It’s awesome on controller. I like it better than austringer and rose. There’s something special with the recoil animation and the nadir focus origin trait.

[@ofekmizrahi3079]

You just don't have a good enough rose or austringer im guessing

[@HarlequinJitsu]

Horrendous take. 1vs1 me for as long as you like. I'll bring my Austrunger, you bring Devils

[@dnegotiator9096]

Or hear me out guys, better devils just feels good for him

[@Ultraninetyeight]

@@HarlequinJitsuI would dog walk your ass in a 1v1. Just shut up and let the dude enjoy his better devils

[@cerebralassassin2185]

​@@HarlequinJitsuhow is it a bad take? Handcannons are really weird where one that feels good to you may not feel good to someone else.

[@VividestFlyer]

I went and got one when TFS dropped, it worked perfectly for my prismatic warlock build. I got slice/hatchling w/range MW on my second engram with shaxx. I've enhanced it and have about 8k kills on it. This gun slappps

[@pukipuki6712]

i was so lucky getting this, my 3rd drop on the first day of the season was hammer forged, accurized, moving target, explosive payload and a range master work.

[@dredgen0268]

Managed to snag a Pugilist/Swash roll. It slaps with my Strandlock build.

[@socialstealthh]

I bet

[@FYATroll]

With how deadly melee build are right now on prismatic, I think your'e really overlooking how good upgraded Swashbuckler is. Get one melee kill and you get 33% damage. Enhanced lasts 7 seconds.

[@TheStarksRegards]

I got swashbuckler with pugilist and I’m in love

[@user-rj4pq7lm1n]

most prismatic melee builds (and most prismatic builds in general) barely involve gunplay. plus why would i use a primary that, even perk buffed, does less damage than a random exotic primary

[@majormeatshield9558]

@@user-rj4pq7lm1nbecause in most melee builds you should be running tractor cannon

[@denny8422]

​@@majormeatshield9558 you're not being serious right? melee builds in no way necessitate tractor

[@user-rj4pq7lm1n]

@@majormeatshield9558 there are like 20 legendaries i can think of that either do more damage OR provide more utility in a melee build OR both than better devils

[@lexsavage3311]

I got super lucky with my Devils. Perfect Float and Zen Moment. When that Float kicks in, you Cant miss. And i love it.

[@sith47]

I got one with slice/hatchling and I use it on my threadling build in the Pale Heart with that threadling perk... it's SO MUCH FUN, literally every kill spawns one.

[@jackgammon1490]

I'm eating fries and okra

[@pititful]

Okra is disgusting

[@young5395]

Is the okra fried?

[@jackgammon1490]

@@young5395 indeed

[@Barleh]

Damn that sounds good lol. Never had fried okra but I love em pickled

[@thathighcanadianguy6269]

What's okra?

[@MSK-o1n]

I have a few pvp rolls that I really like. Full bore, accurized, perpetual motion, elemental capacitor(void), range mw. Makes it sit at a healthy 75 range and then nadir snow balls it into the 80's then perpetual and elemental juice up all the other stats to usable levels.(favorite roll and what I consider to be the true 5/5 god roll) Extended, accurized, perpetual, zen, range mw. Very consistent feeling, I'd probably want hammerforged but fixing the 88 recoil direction is welcome. Extended, accurized, moving target, elemental capacitor(void), range mw. Same case as the one above but it's very consistent feeling, just lackluster handling.

[@fateless1484]

Ngl cross, i saw you had 3 videos about the recent drama, and was actually afraid too watch them/sick of the topic. This was a good refresh to see. Thank you.

[@KevBacon6]

This was definitely recorded before all of that and he's just dropping it now.

[@XWillette0]

Such a nice feeling gun even with weak stats I’ve had tons of fun using it with strand hunter in pve

[@VWeezyO]

I'd love to see pali come back with new perks

[@pirate_duck4985]

Impatiently waiting. 100% positive Bungie are saving it for a content drought or well, a time like now when players are upset with the way Devs have been treated etc.

[@eather9357]

I hope they bring it back its been a good while we last saw it in whitc queen😢

[@MrAdam0008]

Pali with keep away 🙏🏻

[@Sauced_Egg]

Pali with repulsor and destabilize

[@pirate_duck4985]

@@Sauced_Egg 100% add those in the PVE. As mentioned above Keep Away would be a great addition for PVP. EOTS, Zen Moment, Opening Shot.

[@blacktemplar707]

@Aztecross You need to get the rewind Deconstruct roll on Ros Arago, it's infinite ammo. This combo is also on parabellum and Yarovit. As a warlock without actium I truly don't reload that gun when firing at 1 target

[@K1ng1nTheCastle]

Cross buddy, you actually sound burned out in this video. Most likely due to what's been happening lately across Bungie. If so just take it easy, and thanks for all your coverage lately.

[@KevBacon6]

I used one with Rapid Hit/Explosive Payload in the GM this morning and I was surprised how good it worked for me. Its not amazing but it's not terrible either.

[@Ccomp667]

The best roll I have so far is a PVE roll, Reconn+OFA. Man, I love this thing... OFA is literally always proced, and it goes great with facet of bravery on prismatic titan since you are always amplified. You have increased reload speed each time you activate amplified which is very easy with prismatic titan. I am currently hunting down the demo+Frenzy roll. 🍻

[@Damian-1701]

My favorite pve primary this season. Slice + Explosive payload for the free damage and enemy staggers, as well with slice making the enemies do nothing. Works perfectly on all my prismatic builds too.

[@xavierforget]

Got 3 good perk rolls, all 3 with Hatchling, 1 with Sever, another with Pugilist, and 3rd with Demo. Got rolls for any strand build.

[@SamtheHam418]

In PvP a lot of the time with threadling and thread of rebirth I see 2-3 threadlings on precision kills. While I’m regaining health after winning an engagement they are hitting the next guy, helping my teammates, or push enemies back from that res in trials. I like it a lot. LoL Slice is another opportunity to make a tangle and nuke it with the artifact mod.

[@Fluffy._.Doggo.123]

I got a roll with 60 range, rangefinder, and kill clip. I really like it, I've already got 70 kills in Crucible with it.

[@abaren730]

I see Hatchling as an easier version of Dragonfly. The damage is delayed, but easier to proc and not as dependent on enemy positioning. The rapid kills especially adds a good amount of cleanup waveclear that’s useful for any build that would get use out of Dragonfly.

[@chocobo_3414]

That one dude that had all his vault slots filled with Better Devil's must be so happy right now

[@Gametube007]

I’ve got pretty much every 5 of 5, my absolute workhorse is a 70 range demo and Swash roll!

[@lavardownes9244]

Zen moment/ rapid hit turns this into one of the best feeling pvp weopons I've ever used

[@Ricology56]

I got like 3 copies and all are awesome god rolls. 1). Demo / Pugilist and Explosive payload / Threadlings / Adrenaline Junkie This thing is awesome for grenade/melee regen, since demo/pugilist and threadlings synergize. Explosive is always good. 2). Slice and one for all / threadlings Slice and One for all is nice. Cross did explain these perks on video sections. These perks have good synergy. Slice and Threadling does not work :( Still looking for better version of Slice but this is my best for now. 3). Hammer Forge / Accurize / Rapid hit / Threadlings and Range MW. This is my PVP Godroll. I chose Threadlings over Elemental Capacitor because I like threadlings appearing when I dome someone. I use Dexterity and Reload mods to compensate for these low stats and so those Rapid Hit. You can use Elemental Capacitor if you need more stats.

[@b1rds0nbat]

So I play a lot of 6s. I like the chaos it provides. I still see a lot of Rose’s… why don’t I see more austringers? I love that handcannon!

[@swoff_ironside]

I love this HC and i´m using combos in PvP like Perpetual/Opening, Moving/Zen Moment, Perpetual/Explosive also i tried Perpetual/Zen moment and man... It feels like Luna in the end

[@EnterTheFenix]

reconstruction/hatch for my swarmers build. love it.. no reloading ever

[@mattbelt1521]

Reconstruction and one for all on neutral gameplay is solid and doesn’t let down if you build for it. Really nice hc overall

[@reignfire85]

I still have my original Better Devils from vanilla D2, with a single Crucible kill on it. Glad to see that it has gotten a much-needed rework and is a fair option now even if it isn't outstanding.

[@jessenoirrouge8150]

I’ve honestly fallen in love with Better Devils in PvP since it’s probably one of the best feeling HCs on controller despite its stats. Landed a Rapid Hit/Swashbuckler roll and it’s been great to use

[@jvsilky]

Pugilist hatchling goes so hard on prism warlock. Devour gives you plenty of grenades and it’s nonstop ability spam

[@blackyonbi]

Reconstruction + deconstruct is my go to go roll. You never run out of ammo with that thing. And your magazine size is above 30+ rounds.

[@azurviper513]

Man I got a somewhat nasty Strand build on my warlock and my goodness!! That treaded blast with my The Calll with splice and some of the strand mods is some of the most fun I've had in this game. I get a crit then shoot the little strand ball and just watch everything die lol. I pair it with Glance and a arc waveframe GL with volt shit lmao. I've ran a few Strikes and nightfalls even onslaught and I usually have the most kills and a shit ton of orbs created. It's GLORIOUS!! I know I could make it better somehow but I'm a casual so i dont know how to do so right now. My casual brain fails me sometimes 😂

[@AutisticSpooder]

yeah personally i love better devils in PvP right now, even though it isnt up to par with other hand cannons really, it still feels GREAT

[@seanhight6948]

Now I want to try a Slice weapon paired with my Renewal Cyrtarachne ECI build. Will that really decrease outgoing damage from bosses by 90% for damage phases?!

[@tecfrost4495]

I got one with explosive payload and rapid hit. Not the greatest, but it's been working with overload this episode

[@dercarrot991]

Better devils just had some sauce I can’t explain. It’s just hits I’ve been using it since it’s original D2 Explosive Payload roll and I’m just happy they brought it back

[@FYATroll]

Cross you didn't even include Kept Confidence in that comparison chart for kinetic slot 140s. It outstats all of them save for austringer.

[@daveyselby7346]

is kept confidence really that good?

[@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4]

@@daveyselby7346 It was, at least for me, one of those weapons that on paper should be fairly mid but "feels" amazing due to the small model and the deterministic recoil (I think these were the first weapons to get it?).

[@thisone98]

sadly that shit should just be kinetic, and not strand.

[@pirate_duck4985]

PVP without doubt it's damn good! PVE it feels fantastic but there's really no perks that really pick it up for meta builds. I was genuinely excited for perhaps that Slice x Hatchling combo Better Devils has. Major Bummer!

[@supamex2133]

As much as I like Kept Confidence, its perk pool is so ass. They only lend themselves to PvP but the problem with that is that there are already top dog PvP hand cannons.

[@diontes1480]

Lets start off by saying this gun is definitely made for PvE, and it ie a buildcrafters dream. This is the only Strand gun with Demo/Swash. It may sound odd, but this is the only weapon aside from The Navigator that makes the Grapple grenade useful in PvE. With specifically Syntho Strand Titan, and Prismatic Syntho Hunter, it will give you Unraveling Rounds, 33% damage buff (58 with prismatic fragment that makes you Radiant), reload your weapon and give your Grapple back in about 5-6 kills (3-4 with Buried Bloodline Devour). You can even bump it up uf youre a lucky Prismatic Hunter, as the explanation above with the combo Foetracer/Syntho on the Exotic, will bring it to 83% damage buff. I sincerely put down double special a bit bc of this gun

[@Chrisonix_la_furra]

midnight coup > kinetic tremors + firefly I can deal like 1 and half million with only one full mag by using luckypants

[@Ewerboweski]

Dang, the sorrow and pain of the bungie news just bleeds through the video with the voice recording you have here. Theres always hope man, not idn destiny but beyond.

[@cbro79]

Finally got demo/hatch and I'm cookin on grenade returns

[@gregoriooquendo7389]

What about opening shot/rapid hit accuracy rounds high caliber rounds reload master work?

[@mikekoski7050]

In year one that was my go to gun and I just tried a new one I recently got and immediately went from gold 3 to gold 1

[@GuyTheBeast_]

Great now its back, its already FILLED UP MY VAULT

[@Ree_Devon24]

I know this is off topic but this Sightline Survey with enhanced Triple Tap & Voltshot is a beast! So much fun to shoot

[@muzak313]

Maybe so, but Posterity with voltshot/frenzy is hard to put down.

[@Damian-1701]

@@muzak313 agree

[@Damian-1701]

better origin trait too

[@muzak313]

@@Damian-1701 fr

[@DarkSaitama]

I'm happy they finally brought it back before the end.

[@toddwilliams2124]

But Cross, threadlings cause targets to unravel into tangles.. and this season tangles make big badaboom.

[@thtguyericcc1811]

i have a slice + hatchling roll i love for pve and then i have another with 5/5 for pvp and opening shot its sooo crispy

[@ChocoQ]

the true godroll is Left: Reconstruction Pugilist Demolitionist Right: Hatchling Explosive Payload Opening Shot Recon/Opening for pvp everything else for pve

[@Menderino]

I've been trying to get slice and hatchling for so long. I focused like 30 crucible engrams and still nothing. I hate how many perks it has on each column...

[@Aurkus23]

I really like it, the model still makes me miss my Service Revolver😢

[@TheStarksRegards]

I got a pugilist/swashbuckler roll and I love it

[@roguedy]

Using hatchling in pve with this gun feels so satisfying

[@baltazar514]

I wonder if Xur or Banshee will ever sell kept confidence? 🤔

[@Cerberus1141]

Try Moving and Elemental Capacitor on it

[@denny8422]

Cross you didn't have to reopen the Deconstruct nerf wound :(

[@zombie4stomper394]

Man better devils just feels so good it's hard to not want to use it sometimes lol

[@DrKrFfXx000000000000]

I'm pissed it lost 5AA to the barrels instead of sights. It really should have +5 in exactly every stat to be miarginably desirable these days.

[@blitzvgc2363]

you went off that map at 16:12 lmao also this vid made me sad since i love this weapon in pvp enlightened and explosive with all the range perks

[@ragingxxghostslaystation2399]

I opened up chest in the pale heart for over two hours. Only to discover zero I mean zero exotic class items did bungee take them out.

[@helios9296]

I have found success in duels with explosive payload + perpetual.

[@MrRockman1022]

So you’re telling me it’s super difficult to farm because of all the perks and it has worse base stats than everything else?

[@d43m0n412]

when talking about god rolls though it can hit that coveted 100 range stat too.. which i think is why it is so revered among pvp players...

[@jfern0927]

I wish they didnt shit on kept confidence with the rolls it was given. What would be dope of bungie is to look at all the existing craftable weapons and update/add newer or favored rolls.

[@socialstealthh]

I don't have kept confidence 😂 i need this weapon

[@derek3154]

PvE use in my future. I never liked kept Confidence, not sure why. I’ll be doing some PvP to go for a hatchling role at least.

[@ThroatPunchDn8r]

Wish i would have kept my OG one. Overflow and EP

[@russbatman3]

This is my main pve gun love it enhanced demo and working on enhanced one for all

[@MrEmerald73]

Slice, explosive payload is excellent on hunter.

[@mandiebonez]

I have the same exact roll I use on my Hunter. I like it, but don't use it that much, I can't put the call away 😂 I don't have the luxury of buried bloodline, I swear the game hates me!

[@4kum41986]

I've got a reco and explosive and its feel fine

[@wwr90]

@9:44 Imagine using Once Quiet Moment 😂

[@jameshellyer1736]

I got a 5/5 first one and I don’t play PvP. I have the old ones though

[@treyrandall2983]

Only one is perpetual & Elemental... High stability... Otherwise you may as just shoot something else.

[@Holmz84]

I love this gun and have hard time not using it.

[@ezequielcantu5266]

You been on warlock a lot lately Cross, you sure that ain't your main?

[@davidmarkovic6369]

Check out new buffed Thorn with Lucky Pants.. i was doing 50k plus dmg in a shot + poison with it and it can get up to 40 rounds in a mag. Would really lieke to see your oppinion on it. Im running it on void bcs of devour on orbs and invisibility.

[@RNMCCLAIN]

farming max range on this gun really sucks, i have about 12 rolls and none on the 3rd/4th column suck

[@KadeSyx]

I miss the 180 hand cannon

[@reallyminty8386]

That should have been the base behavior of tangles

[@cartho1103]

3 resets and I still don't have reconstruction hatchling

[@Sckysz]

everyone panicking about the state of Destiny for the future, meanwhile I’m finally enjoying other games and have time for them 😭

[@reptar1098]

16:59 that was beautiful

[@mandiebonez]

I really like better devils, but not as much as i love the call. i can't put away the call to use better devils, some of us don't have buried bloodline!

[@BladeDevil19]

ah better devil. how i have not miss you

[@Barleh]

Mediocre Imp

[@thisone98]

​@@Barleh Less-than-average fiend

[@Jonny_Nemo]

I've kept 2 rolls for PVE, but any good HC in that slot will beat it in PvP.

[@JimmyPivin]

I love this weapon

[@ACTI0NLJ]

Does cross use ai voice in some of his vids? Some of the past few videos I’ve had a slight hint at it

[@Tuki_Bird]

Cross... cross ... cross ..... You need a hunter to explain the god roll of this gun for ya .... It's a strand answer to lucky pants ... ya warden's law is great but sometimes you want strand damage .... Reconstruction/ Explosive

[@dylanarredondo9078]

These god role picks seem cooked ngl I'd much rather rack it up to 75 range with rangefinder, perpetual motion, and fullbore. You don't need stability on MNK and I only use hand cannons when I'm on MNK

[@seidious8798]

Waited until I reset my rank about 5 times then opened every engram I had. 150ish later I did not get a single roll worth keeping. Yeah I got great perk combos multiple times but never with 70 range/without awful stats. This gun just isn’t worth it. I’ll stick to my snapshot rose and poopoo pali.

[@Criss_P_Baycon]

How will this hold up in Destiny 3? Nevermind 😞

[@deadlyalliance8281]

This game needs to go on super sale if they want more people to buy into it.

[@KingfishWatch]

It confuses me so much why Better Devils is not craftable with stats like that

[@jessejohnsen121]

First one i got was rapid hit hatchling

[@NickIsMoistt]

I still habe tje kinetic version in mu vault lol