Can the RX 7800 XT Handle 4K Gaming? [Testing the Limits]

[@theivadim]

Which cost-effective GPU would you choose to play games at 4K?

[@igm1571]

With the performance, i guess it can be a 4K gaming but with so many unoptimized games even Nvidia cant bring good experience then might stick to only 2K.

[@theivadim]

@@fradala04 Imho, 4K is the best. Especially, if you have a GPU as powerful as the 4070 Ti SUPER.

[@julesdumont1492]

Instead of FSR, you should use XeSS 1.3 - much more decent image upscaling quality and performance.

[@pedropierre9594]

Buy an AMD card, pay 7 bucks for Lossless Scaling, there excellent picture quality with slightly increased ms you can even turn on Reflex and it goes down

[@nandonandouze169]

@@pedropierre9594 RX7800XT without any hesitation with all upscale solutions out there. For 500€ it's a no brainer.

[@Thegatesofhell-o5h]

It's actually crazy how much of an AMD hater you are

[@nandonandouze169]

Thank you. My exact thoughts.

[@jacklamat6315]

Amd does suck tough 😂😂🎉

[@nandonandouze169]

@@jacklamat6315 Why ? Explain some objective thoughts here.

[@jacklamat6315]

@@nandonandouze169 bad drivers bad upscaling bad fg bad price

[@jacklamat6315]

@@nandonandouze169 somehow amd and Intel is more expensive then Nvidia in my country in not lucky living in usa i live in sweden

[@Ladioz]

Even though you are getting frame rates below 60, the frame graph is dead flat! This is very impressive for the 7800XT

[@Gamer-q7v]

I hate that so many games use UE5 nowadays. Software Lumen is built into the UE5 engine, and most UE5 games don't let you switch it off, which means there isn't a way to purely rasterize most UE5 games. If there was an option to, UE5 games would run much better. Rasterized lighting looks better than software ray tracing, in my opinion.

[@theivadim]

I absolutely hate how software ray tracing looks in most games.🤝 The only game where it works kinda OK is Hellblade 2.

[@Gamer-q7v]

@@theivadim When developers are given enough time and resources, they can make a video game look incredible using rasterization. Even lighting, shadows, reflections, and refractions can be done really well with rasterization when developers put the time in. For other assets such as textures and geometry, rasterization looks just as good as RT/PT. It's a shame that developers are starting to leave rasterization behind at least when it comes to single-player games.

[@theivadim]

​@@Gamer-q7v It’s only natural since ray tracing represents the next step in the evolution of lighting and reflections. However, I want to see proper hardware ray tracing that actually looks good.

[@Gamer-q7v]

@@theivadim When it comes to lighting, reflections, shadows, and refractions, RT can render them way more accurately. For everything else, though, such as textures and geometry, rasterization can do just as well. The focus for future ray-traced games should be increasing the number of rays and bounces for the effects that use RT instead of making the game fully path traced. That will have a much bigger improvement on visual quality and graphics. Future ray-traced games should have ray-traced lighting, reflections, shadows, and refractions. The rest of the game assets should be rasterized. That way, you get the benefits of rasterization and ray tracing. Hybrid rasterization/ray tracing is the way to go forward.

[@DenverStarkey]

@@Gamer-q7v dude ... RT/PT has nothing to do with textures or geometry ... RT is soley dealing with lighting , shadows and reflections. and PT does increase the rays cast and bounces dramatically .... in RT just the camera is casting rays into the scene .. in PT the light sources themselves actually cast the rays that's the difference. PT is throwing around alot more rays than RT for this reason. try a little research before talking about shit you don't actualy know. and for the record i have a bachelors in game art design so i do know what i'm talking about.

[@senfglas214]

My gtx 1070 had 40 fps at 4K 9 years ago...something aint right with how GPUs have progressed

[@VexOoo-x7y]

It's because of graphical advancements. Things like ray tracing and so on added extra fluff to games that take a lot of power up.

[@antonhallergren588]

It's games that have gotten lazy. Try a 7800xt in games from 9 yrs ago and it slaughters them.

[@larsenmats]

AMD should work hard on getting the hardware based FSR4 released, so they can compete better with regards to upscaling. 7800xt is better suited as a 1440p card. 7900xtx would be more suitable for 4K.

[@theivadim]

AMD has been incredibly slow in improving its resolution upscaling technology, so my hopes are quite low. However, I still want to see FSR 4 happen as soon as possible.

[@nikolygtx8848]

Bro this is 4k on ultra in latest games, there are a lot of games that can do 4k 60 fps with this card not to mention that there is also intel scaling that is also alternative, 4070 at same price is better, but here is way more expensive

[@nandonandouze169]

The guy is an obvious AMD hater and/or sponsored by NVIDIA.

[@bfhandsomeface409]

I have not had any problems with AMD quality resolution in the vast majority of games. I always turn off raytracing regardless though, if possible. Dlss is better, but not worth the extra cost imo. AMD should also be releasing fsr 4 fairly soon too.

[@igm1571]

8000 series will have first and 7000 series might come later(rip 5000-6000 series)

[@PessaLuna]

So you confirm RX7800XT is recommanded for 2K and oversized for 1080P. That's my settings (2K,rx7800xt) and there is no use of upscaling. There is a card for every budget and every configuration. Interesting to see the RX7800XT is not able to do more than it is supposed to do. Thanks!

[@sanzyboy3952]

You get a lot of ghosting when you are holding a knife with fsr in stalker 2 as well

[@elmenasuwu4708]

So for you a rtx 3050 is better than a RX7800?

[@carlo5544]

.. the results today are strongly influenced by the graphic engine used in games. A graphic card like the 7800xt has no sufficiency power to manage existing performance fluctuations today. If a product is well done, he manages to benefit from the results, otherwise he heavily pays the results of wrong development choices. To have a GPU today that manages well 4 K everywhere, you have to have a lot of performance margin that advances, and which is used when the graphic engine and the game is badly succeeded .. Stalker2, Silent Hill 2 Remake, and many others i have en 7900 xt xfx..it's the same..

[@canihavesomenamehere]

My graphics card is too old for DLSS so FSR and XeSS is the only choice.. But some games are just horrible with FSR. I mostly use XeSS when available, because it looks better. Let's just hope FSR 4 brings a significant change in visual quality. It would just benefit everyone!

[@ionark_]

fsr 3.0 is just fsr 2.2 frame generation, wait for implementation of 3.1 version of fsr and there you will be able to talk about graphics issues and compare it to dlss

[@theivadim]

When I say “FSR 3” in the video, what I’m actually referring to is FSR 3.1, for the exact reason you mentioned. The upscaling in FSR 3 is essentially just FSR 2.2. FSR 3.1 is the real 3.0 version.

[@gergoturi7559]

In case of Stalker 2, FSR is truly ugly, however TSR looks great and can be used with any GPU. But my problem is the game pretty much requires frame generation and regardless of brand, I'm not particularly happy about that tech in a shooter.

[@theivadim]

Frame generation is fine when added on top of 90+ FPS in this game to enhance the experience. It’s not designed to compensate for lacking performance. In other cases frame gen is okay to use when you have at least 60 FPS. And in some rare cases you can get away with using it to uplift FPS from 50+ to 60+.

[@gergoturi7559]

@theivadim FG still makes the game feel slightly less responsive, than you think it should be, the fluidity fools you a bit. You're right about the high base frame rate requirement for the tech to work, but more often, than not, devs use it as a patchwork to address poor performance. And that is the main issue. Also you can check, FG adds ghosting to holosights in the game, which looks stupid. If this tech was solely used to enhance the experience, it would be a clever addition, but not with these issues.

[@theivadim]

Indeed, it needs work, but for a first-generation feature, it performs surprisingly well in most games. I find myself using it every now and then. Of course, I still prefer resolution upscaling to achieve my desired FPS, but Frame Generation is a nice option to have.

[@PhantommJ]

Yo. Can you review the new Intel arc B580 and test it out in multiple resolutions and settings?

[@theivadim]

I will eventually. I placed a pre-order for the B580, but I’m not sure when it’ll arrive.

[@PhantommJ]

@theivadim Alright thank you so much

[@theivadim]

Are you interested in it because you’re thinking of buying one, or is it just out of pure curiosity?🙂

[@PhantommJ]

@@theivadim I am thinking of buying one for my first PC and honestly it's between it and the rtx 4060 if I want to buy a new GPU

[@evil-scotsman335]

Bro stay away from the 4060 that 8gb vram will come back to haunt you soon enough

[@ItsWoadie]

Thank you for all the RTX 4070ti Super videos, that card is GOATED. Off of what you showed, it would 100% suffice what I want to play and at the resolution I prefer but since the 50 series will drop soon, I’ll wait for the 5070ti Super (if there is one coming)

[@theivadim]

It is coming. There is a good chance that we'll hear about the 5070 Ti at CES NVIDIA keynote on 6 January.

[@SkullGamerDan]

Excelent video,Rx7800 XT is a atractive GPU for the best price. Mainly for me who use 1440p 180Hz

[@BattulgaMunkhbayar-e4x]

For me i don't care about 4k i care about refresh rate it can be 1080p but refresh rate is more important. I would rather get 1080p with 500 Hz than getting 4k with 120 Hz

[@aristo7095]

How to display fps on the screen like this?

[@theivadim]

Download CapFrameX

[@goat_luffy3777]

Does your 7800xt get really loud or is it just mine I have the same gigabyte version

[@theivadim]

It certainly is not quit. 2000 RPM is a lot. But if yours gets really loud then your fan curve might be messed up if you installed GCC (Gigabyte control centre software). Mine was blasting fans to 100% after I installed that software. I had to remove drivers with DDU and reinstall to get the fan speed back to normal. I don’t like this Gigabyte card.

[@theivadim]

Also, you could switch to Silent instead of OC using that tiny switch at the top of the card. That makes it a bit more quiet. Just don’t use GCC. It’ll mess up your fan curve🙂

[@pdmerritt]

Mine is pretty silent...I undervolted it and I limit the fps to 90 in single player games.... Even though many of the newer ones run right around there anyhow. Anyhow the card stays cool and very quiet >95% of the time.

[@pedropierre9594]

I think it’s very interesting how you can buy a better frame generation on Steam than AMD Fluid Motion

[@Ariel_UZ]

Hey, i need some advice Should i get the rtx 4070 ti super or rx 7900 xtx? The difference is 112$.

[@theivadim]

If you plan on using resolution upscaling, I recommend the 4070 Ti SUPER. For native resolution, the 7900 XTX is the better option. Personally, I prefer the 4070 Ti SUPER.

[@Ariel_UZ]

@theivadim thanks. I think I'll go with the 4070 ti super

[@meltinsr]

@@Ariel_UZ if you plan playing QHD full ray tracing 4070 ti super

[@gergoturi7559]

I hate to say that, but this is the moment to be patient. Nvidia rtx 5000 series is about to come out in January, AMD 8800 XT is about to launch and Intel's battlemage series just started to hit the shelves in the form of the B580. So my advice is to wait a little.

[@Allen-f7u]

​@gergoturi7559 when do you think prices will drop?

[@esocina]

dlss support only new graphic cards -> fsr supports old old old cards like 1650 etc etc they even support every nvidia graphic

[@bryanstewart6398]

have you tried lossless scaling

[@theivadim]

Yes. The image quality it produces is subpar. I don’t want to use it for gaming.

[@RX7800XTBenchmarks]

Its very interesting because i watched your 4070ti super video for 4k, and specifically i wanted to point out stalker 2. The frame time graph is horrendous compared to what we see with the 7800xt. So my question is what is the point of dlss being better than FSR if the gameplay is not smooth. The point of video games is to play them? The 4070ti super in every game you covered had bad frame time, was there a specific reason for this?

[@theivadim]

In the case of STALKER 2, neither solution is ideal. Frametime in other games with the 4070 Ti SUPER is fine, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

[@krowwbyte8170]

Can anyone recommend an aio cooler for the ryzen 9 7950x3d?

[@theivadim]

I really like my be quiet! Light Loop 360mm. Any be quiet! AIO is low-noise and performs well, so you can’t go wrong with whichever one you pick. I haven’t used any others that I can personally recommend.

[@meltinsr]

if i buy one gpu i will sure it will pla 4k native ,not using upscaler. Dlss is not great, i own 4070 and 7900xtx have tryed this many times, dlss have a ghosting effect making image looks like a fog while fsr makes pixelated anyway there are game that you cant play on 4k without 15gb+ vram using upscaler like Indiana jones .

[@JahonCross]

7800xt can do most 4k gaming and with usale levels of fsr... for heavy games that include rt that can not be turned off, will have a hard time running... quit trying to downplay such a good card at its price, and I own a fanatic 4070ti super and 7800xt

[@unik0016]

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[@theivadim]

Some people experience these kinds of problems due to a low-quality monitor. However, in some cases, both DLSS and FSR can have ghosting issues. That said, I rarely notice it when using DLSS in the latest games these days; it’s improving with every update.

[@unik0016]

@theivadim ThankYou For The Answer Sir 💕

[@mikymouse7525]

This video card does not have enough VRAM for 4K.

[@juicychris738]

16 GB is more than enough to play 4k games

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Bro what...

[@TheRealNikitos]

So a 4080 super is also not a 4K Card ?

[@mikymouse7525]

@TheRealNikitos It was 2 years ago

[@TheRealNikitos]

@@mikymouse7525 so is the 7000 series cards.

[@DenverStarkey]

"why put yourself through this?" because you don't want to throw your wallet into a blender. that said i did save up for a whole year to get my current (new ) build and i did throw my wallet into a blender. got myself a geforce 4080 super.

[@theivadim]

Enjoy! 🙂 Great experiences are worth the money spent.

[@DenverStarkey]

@@theivadim i'd like to think this system and the 4080 super in particular will last 5 years as a 4k card , and another 5 years as a 1440p card. But i think realistically it'll be a 4k card for 2-3 years, then a 1440p card for another 2 years and wind up a 1080p card after just 5-6 years.

[@theivadim]

That depends on how much you’re willing to lower graphics settings and use resolution upscaling. Generally, if you want to maintain a similar level of experience, you should be prepared to upgrade your GPU every other generation - roughly every 4 years or so. Since GPUs are so easy to swap, I think it’s reasonable to treat them as a kind of ‘subscription.’ For example, you could buy the 5080 and sell the 4080 to recoup some of the cost. The money you lose can be viewed as the subscription fee for maintaining the level of PC gaming experience you want. Alternatively, you could skip a generation and do the same thing by swapping the 4080 for the 6080 in 2-3 years.

[@DenverStarkey]

@@theivadim yeah but i'm bad about letting go of old hardware ... i stil havea radeon 9700 pro that works ,(dead fan though) a radeon 5770 that works , a radeon 7870 tahiti edition that works (dead fans again) , a geforce 1070 , a geforce 3070. hell in my closet i even got an old Geforce TNT 2 that lst time i turned the PC on it still worked but its been a few years since i tested it. i also have the PC that TNT 2 is in . a Phenom x4 and it's main board and ram that still works ,and a am3 main board with a FX8350 and ram that still works (HDD died on it though). i suppose i should look into getting them all up and runing and try selling them on ebay .. though that 3070 is staying as a collection peice. (it's an EVGA FTW3 ultra 3070) oh also my mom is using my last system before building this one (ryzen 2700 16 gig ddr PC 3000 curently running the above mentioned geforce 1070) guess i'm kinda turned into a PC hoarder.

[@theivadim]

That’s quite a collection you’ve got there. There’s nothing wrong with collecting things you’re interested in. I’d be collecting some GPUs too if I weren’t renting and moving so often. It’s a hassle to own a lot of stuff when you relocate every couple of years.

[@raul-km6mq]

imagine thrashing an entire brand while using s shitty ass VA monitor. motion blur lover

[@rzkrdn8650]

Shame that it's barely an upgrade from 6800xt.

[@theivadim]

Indeed, I hope AMD delivers better experience with RX 8000-series and FSR 4 (hopefully in 2025).

[@raresmacovei8382]

It wasn't meant to be an upgrade from 6800 XT.

[@rzkrdn8650]

@@raresmacovei8382 Oh so silly of me assuming 6 -> 7 mean something is meant to be a successor or an upgrade of some sort, gosh.

[@tangodown2721]

Dude says he wants a 4060 ti over a 7800 xt... lmao... how paid off are you or just super fan boi.

[@theivadim]

That’s not what I said. Replay that part if you didn’t catch the message.

[@cvcvcv-pw7wv]

Totally agree with you. Even 4070 ti won't catch up with next gen 1440p AAA titles, unless dlss is in play.

[@candacebreeze6764]

AMD good iob, You guys were aboe to make this game run without ppl being concerned about nvidia level of ray tracing

[@ggxsky4811]

True Fsr is gross

[@CRF250R1521]

AMD in general is trash imo 🤷

[@Jakiyyyyy]

Radeon may not be good for Ray Tracing but it's suitable for those who loves tinkering and optimizing settings because most likely they won't be caring about Ray Tracing at all. But still sometimes main graphics settings alone won't do s***! Most of the time it osho requires aggressive upscaling as well to being able to achieve acceptable framerates and FSR definitely not good at that wicis turn me off instantly. Their frame generation was good though, they really need to improve their blurry, shimmery and pixelated mess upscaler. It ain't an insult by any means, even they confirmed themself that FSR is like a simple filter so don't expect it to look good. This is crucial especially at lower resolutions because well the visuals are already too low to start with so having a decent looking upscalers are very important as your last option. At least it don't look completely terrible straight away you know. If you asked me, there is definitely difference between 1080p+DLSS and 1080p+FSR. If you have seen enough, FSR is nowhere near to match DLSS, obviously. Even 1440p with FSR I don't think it would look good. 🤧🥲

[@jasonjoe7637]

3*2000rpm GPU fan = 100db noise, horrible