Can The SLOWEST New Toyota Supra Defeat Three of The FASTEST Iconic Cars From The Eighties?

[@dcanmore]

It's either age, loss of horsepower or a driver issue, but the 944 Turbo originally clocked in at 13.9sec (0-60 5.5sec) and the BMW M5 14.6 secs (0-60 6.3sec) back in the day.

[@richarderrington9478]

Driving I think!! I stopped watching after the first race, it was just silly.

[@skip741x3]

@@richarderrington9478 Ive seen old ladies in electric shopping carts at walmart get off the line quicker!

[@shelby5898]

A healthy 944 turbo is faster than that

[@sebastianm.8383]

the 944 Turbo has a "turbo-hole", so, if you want a proper sprint, you have to start with certain rpm before engaging....

[@kevinmartin5060]

I would have liked to have seen an 87 Buick GN against the Supra.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

The GN was sweet but the GN wasn't that fast. The Supra would beat it. The GNX would be a whole different story. The legacy behind GNs are better than the actual performance

[@chir0pter]

It doesn’t matter what the car is it would have to be ridiculously overpowered to negate the grandmother style launch they do. They’re not going to risk breaking anything as tommy pointed out

[@bradleyhollon6085]

@@chir0pter yeah i was hoping to see some actual competition

[@andrewsolis2988]

All these cars would smoke a GN honestly, that's why

[@sstevocamaro]

@@EGGINFOOLS They ran 13.8’s back in the 80’s. That was FAST!

[@schrodingerscat8621]

I find this abusive to 80s icons. The 911 915 gearbox was never meant for drag racing, especially when the transmission was cold. I don’t know why everyone is so fixated In straight line performance, that was never what those three cars were about.

[@rmp5s]

First car I ever drove was my dad's 944. They will ALWAYS have a special place in my heart.

[@ashezplayboy]

I was too young to drive my dad's 944 but I had a nice spirited drive in it

[@HQN-mo8bs]

That was a fun video. I would love to see your vintage sports cars against a modern Camry/Accord or even a minivan.

[@VcArena]

My 1987 Mitsubishi starion turbo got gapped a Nissan rogue, and a Ford f250 with a 4 wheeler in the bed and 2 people. I couldn't see myself buying any of them without an engine swap

[@erikberg8098]

I would love to see these against a Honda Odyssey!

[@VcArena]

@@erikberg8098 same here as we have one lol

[@ddt6347]

At 10:25. One 1 bar of pressure and normally 2. Tommy. You should learn about the car. 1 bar is 1 bar "absolute" not 1 bar "gauge" on that car. You were making almost no boost. Get an add-on gauge. And get the car running right.

[@BakouMOH]

Since you have a 944 on hand, it would be really interesting to do a comparo with a GR86. On paper, they are very similar in terms of size, weight, and power.

[@fritzmeynejr2983]

Brought back memories. I had a 951 for 23 years and you definately have to learn how to drive it fast at low speeds. On bost it wasa flyer. The 535is was and is a great car as well. In ts day it would beat Camaros and Firebirds, However the 951 was a high spead champ eating Mustangs, 911s, C4 Corvettes, etc. Thanks!

[@87_951]

They nerfed the 951 from the factory to keep it from blowing away the 911. I was impressed with how much power a Jetta 1.8T made from a chip ... but this 951 ... 😂 I can't imagine how people felt about it 35 years ago with basic mods.

[@The80shilling]

I don't think that's the fastest version of the 944 Turbo, that looks like an 87 version, or at least the wheels are from an 87; the pre-1989 versions only had 217 HP, but the Turbo S, and the 89s had 247. I had a 1989 Porsche 944 Turbo, and LOVED that car. Eventually took it to PowerHaus in Arizona, and had a 2.8 conversion done, with a hybrid K27 turbo and other work. Ended up with 500+ RWHP and 520 Ft/lbs torque at 1.2 bar boost. IT handled incredibly well, and for its day was stinking fast after those mods, but wouldn't even rate these days. My car ended up being featured in Excellence magazine, here in the USA. Miss that car...

[@WA-eg7ft]

My 86, not stock was 310 HP

[@The80shilling]

@@WA-eg7ft Chipped only, or did you do some other work? I loved that car, but crashed mine at speed at Sonoma Raceway, when the oil line blew off my Turbo.

[@WA-eg7ft]

@@The80shilling chip, turbo upsized and a blowoff

[@CaptFrankRizzoFilms]

I remember reading about your car in Excellence! I had a 1985 944 at the time. Dreamed of hotrodding a turbo.

[@ggkik]

So according to your logic, an 18,3sec M535i should race along the new fast contender, and not the 17,8sec 944...Εven when the latter could run again with full boost...

[@markcoopers1930]

I almost wish they held off telling us ALL quarter mile times until the end, maybe as a chart or summary breakdown. Share 0-60 times throughout, but help me build suspense and pretend I don't know who will win.

[@timstevens5769]

It is very disappointing to watch and listen to this as there was zero effort to get the 1980s cars with original performance instead of vehicles that are clearly far off of their original specs for power. The 944 Turbo would do about a flat 6 zero to sixty and quarter mile around 15 seconds. Top speed was in the 150 range. Those numbers were not far off for the 911 either. Those are what should have faced the Supra (Z4). Better yet, get the 944 Turbo S with 30 more HP and substantially better times.

[@kewlhunter7333]

The 944 turbo has some issues as it should be much quicker and you were reading the boost gauge wrong. It doesn't make 2 bar of boost(28ish #). 1 bar on gauge is Atmospheric pressure, below is vacuum, so you had zero boost on the second run. A single run would not cause heat soak, so you had zero boost on the second run. These cars will do run after run no problem

[@gerryk9025]

Vacuum leaks

[@jacko2049]

Fun video guys . I had a 87 944 turbo back in the day , it was a fun car to drive in the twisties but not great off the line . Even a new Toyota 86 base stick shift which is the Best Buy on the planet right now will blow these old classics away

[@gregkramer5588]

Yep, as will a Tucson Hybrid. Pretty funny!

[@douglasf13]

Not really. Probably by about a half second 0-60 and in the quarter. Chip the 951 and that changes. Spend a little more money on an exhaust and a few mods, and the 951 is a rocket. The 951 in this test isn’t performing up to par, even stock.

[@yeahman1975]

Loved the video but I think a modern camry would beat the 3 80s vehicles Loved the music too

[@erikberg8098]

I am curious how your 80’s C4 Corvette would do against that 4 cyl. Supra. So far it’s cubic inches under the hood have smoked all the other classics. What would classic analog muscle do against modern turbos & digital computing?

[@jp8950]

The 80’s icons may be slow, but they are beautiful!

[@nickthompson318]

17.4 from a 951? Wtf is wrong with it?

[@chrisSVT]

A stock 944 turbo isn't running 2 bar of boost stock. The 944 would've easily beat that old BMW. This was lack of driver skill.

[@IKnewMickey]

One of your best videos ever. Tommy in costume and Nathan's wit were spot on.

[@RadostinVelchev]

I was surprised to see how slow those cars are, my 1.9TDI runs 16.4s in the 1/4 mile

[@camaromhs1178]

Yeah, my 89 RS Camaro 2.8 V6 runs 17.6s in the 1/4 mile. However if your car is NA for every 1000 feet above sea level you lose 3% hp. That adds up fast. I know that Colorado Springs is 6000 feet above sea level. I don't know where they are in Colorado but they say they are a mile above sea level. I believe my 94 Z28 has 253 whp at 500 or 600 feet. So in Colorado Springs it would have around 211. Boosted cars do better but still lose some power.

[@BlacKi-nd4uy]

@MaDcOw1986 they probably didnt want to break em. well, didnt worked out.

[@snowman2834]

Great video. Sitting in one of those is like going back in time

[@chrismktgpsu]

Something was wrong with that 944. Stock test times were mid 15's in the quarter. My guess is boost leak somewhere.

[@stevend3753]

That’s what happens when you bog it off the line every time and every car.

[@jamesbeaman6337]

The elevation difference would account for most of the difference, I’m thinking.

[@chrismktgpsu]

@@jamesbeaman6337 ah perhaps so...that combined with a tired engine/turbo

[@jamesbeaman6337]

@@chrismktgpsu I’m sure that didn’t help much either.

[@bradleyhollon6085]

Its old and wore out

[@endall39]

The 944 is a great car. A few mods to help with boost and charge cooling, and that would be a lot more competitive. You'd also have to drive it like you mean it. Looking at you, Tommy:-)

[@nielsdebakker3283]

never got a good launch...

[@candlercando]

Love the sound of the flat6 911.

[@AllanPorter]

Thanks for the fun vid. Put a smile on my face going into the weekend.

[@BobSmith-wi5us]

When you guys want, a slightly tuned 944 Turbo is available near Boulder for you to test against these cars.

[@darkestfugue]

the band were called Nena, the singers name was Gabrielle Kerner, however because the band name sounded so much like Nina, most people just assumed the female singer fronting them was a woman called Nina, so much so in fact she is also often mixed up with German punk rock singer Nina Hagen who is a completely unrelated artist

[@johnmcloughlin5493]

Of course, what one can't measure in a speed race is the fun one has while driving any of these cars.Well, I guess one can but it isn't about the speed to me...it is something that one has to feel in the seats, the Twisties, the driver car connections that for me, I'll take anyone of the 80's vehicles over a new car regardless of the top speed or 1/4 mile times.

[@davidsf101]

I love the 1989 Porsche 944 Turbo. It is one of my favorite cars of all time.

[@Toni62R]

My 944 Turbo ('89 951 with 250 Horses) did 0 to 100 Kilometers/h in 5,9 seconds - thats still today a good number. And top speed on the tach nearly 290 km/h (in reality about 265 km/h...)

[@skip741x3]

Could be the altitude and the fact that the launches here were pretty aweful... granted, they probably didnt want to destroy those old classics... I always thought turbos made consistant HP irregardless of altitude becuz they maintain a preset constant boost...

[@Toni62R]

@@skip741x3 In reality the 944 turbo was very mighty at the start because of the heavy gearbox in the back and his stable supension. In the 90s when I drove my 944 turbo, only once a time a car was realy faster than mine - and that was the big brother, the 911 turbo...

[@Offshore1977]

This is real world testing. Love it. Even thought my favorite are your off road reviews

[@JRRowen-ht6du]

Are you kidding me these cars don’t even come close to a 87 GNX . My crappy Cutlass with a 305 v8 could beat these cars in the 1/4mile 😂

[@beowulfgrendel24]

We need a race between the Supra, Z, stinger. Unfortunately three diamonds seems to be out of the game these days. Wish you brought out the underdog Santa Cruz with the 2.5T. Wonder how it fairs against the 2.0T Supra

[@doctorrobert60]

This was kind of like starting to read a book while already knowing how it ended. Enjoyed the video, thanks guys!

[@tunanocrust2642]

Also the "M5" and 911 have the N/A engine altitude loss disadvantage being at 5280ft. The BMW at sea level would be fun! There is a reason I only buy Turbo vehicles in CO. Less loss and easier to add power. Great video though! I would add, that even modern turbo cars heatsoak pretty bad back to back runs without proper upgraded intercoolers or cooling.

[@josemanuelruiz2036]

Love it! Do more of these!!

[@khakiswag]

Next time do the classics vs a current everyday car like a Honda Accord.

[@beexiong2995]

Interesting fact about the 2.0 supra. At sea level, it has been tested by car and driver and other publications to be faster than the mk4 2JZ supra in acceleration and quarter mile. 13.4 at 105. Not bad for less than 300hp. The 370Z which makes close 330hp will match that.

[@jonwoodworker]

Interesting that you had to go back 30 years to find a car that the BMW Supra is faster than.

[@TheChill001]

one would wonder what the result would have been if they just brought a 1989 supra twin turbo... everyone loves and drools for the mk IV, but the Mk III is my favorite.

[@redcar9949]

It's faster than plenty of cars these days. And no, it's not a BMW, it's still very much a Toyota. Grow up.

[@jonwoodworker]

@@redcar9949 Do your research before you make stupid comments. There is not one single part on the Supra that's manufactured by Toyoto...not even the badges.

[@redcar9949]

@@jonwoodworker looks like you should do YOUR research before YOU look stupid. There are many BMW parts on the supra but that does not make it a BMW especially when Gazoo racing was solely responsible for the integration of these parts into the new Supra. You wouldn't call the Mk4 supra a Lotus or a Yamaha would you?

[@asifnoaman8978]

@@jonwoodworker get your brain sorted, the suspension setup, chassis stiffening, damping, body, aerodynamis and engine tuning is done by Toyota

[@BoostedAP1]

Dont have to even watch it to know the 2.0 turbo will Amber Turd the competition. Poopra all the way!

[@andybroer651]

Indy500 Firestone tires are a bargain performance tire! I had them on my Abarth500 and loved them!

[@meejinhuang]

It's an all German drag race. One car just has a Toyota badge on it.

[@afeudale]

Great vid! The issue with the supra is that the 944, 911 and M5 will always be infinitely cooler than it is 🥰

[@camaromhs1178]

I would love to race my 94 Z28 against those cars. I have no idea how it would do at that altitude but it would be fun.

[@Cartier_specialist]

The 8 speed automatic was the straw that broke the camel's back in this showdown.

[@jzaroh2004]

Can only just imagine how dead that '44 Turbo is at altitude. They have, what, 8:1 compression ratio and almost nothing off the line even at sea level. Of course, that slingshot effect and tricky launch was half the fun for me.

[@abqcrutch]

I got to drive an '88 944 Turbo in '88. I was in the Navy and flew into John Wayne airport on leave. My brother in law and his brother, a Dr, picked me up in the Dr's new 944 Turbo for ride down to Solano Beach, Ca. My BIL kept nagging his brother that he was driving like a puss. He convinced his brother to let me drive. Nineteen years old, hauling ass in a new 944 Turbo, being coached by my BIL, while the Dr is screaming for me to stop. Lol.

[@C10sRule]

There was no question. That 2.0 litre has huge torque so far down in the revs,,,,,,. Fun video nonetheless!! Roman had a very good launch in the BMW in that race too!! Haha.

[@kylejones1466]

shoulda compared it to the brz. iconic cars vs notoriously slow modern sports car.

[@beexiong2995]

Only the 2nd generation brz is packing 228hp non turbo and weighs in at 2800lbs. It would beat these old cars still lol

[@allworldmusic8270]

I still have one of these BMW's people don't realise how good they are that engine sounds so great and is so smooth.

[@hirostvjapan]

Wish you brought 1989 above 944 Turbo which I had it has 250hp and it was fast and really fun to drive. Wish I can have one again but price is so high now in Japan. I'll choose 944 Turbo but again must be above 1989 Turbo

[@StormKleist]

I wonder whether my e-golf would beat the oldies!? But sure would like an M535! So cool!

[@lonerider5315]

I love the 80s and I never been there. I daily drive a 87 325i. Also just acquired a 1987 4Runner turbo, only 128k miles

[@willblake72]

You guys have a knack for answering the questions that nobody is asking. I'd love to see a video about your creative process sometime. Check out my new base Supra! Yeah but is it faster than that 40 year old Porsche???

[@kevinbarrett8802]

First off didn't realize you were father and son that is awesome. Honestly a 1987 Supra turbo would have beaten all three of your classics and gave the BMyota a way better challenge as well.

[@FlatglassMan]

The 944 turbo wasn't much less expensive than the 911 back then. The 930 on the other hand....

[@jimmy-buffett]

Fun video guys, great music choices really gave it an 80's vibe. Having some experience with these cars :-) I'll take the M5

[@C5Katech]

These might be some tired cars. I have a 944T, bought new, in stock condition but in excellent shape, and it's significantly faster than this video shows. And I know fast cars, as I have a 600hp Corvette as well. There's lag but when boost comes in in first gear, the Pilot sports spin hard through redline. A properly running 944T, even stock, was a 0-60 5 second car and even faster once rolling.

[@E_tiBEAMERBOY]

Altitude loss maybe

[@nickthompson318]

@@E_tiBEAMERBOY altitude loss should have only been about .5 seconds. A full second at the most. N/A 944s run 16s stock. Turbos should be deep in the 14s. Either something was wrong with that one or it was driver error.

[@nickthompson318]

@@E_tiBEAMERBOY I also have a ti. It's a joy to drive.

[@dannyt8352]

There is a easy fix for the 944 overheating/low power problem, just install a lower temp fan switch. I had a 87 944 turbo and I noticed in the summer time the temp gauge would get up to the mid point and the car would start to lose power. After installing the lower temp switch the needle would stay around the first mark on the gauge. The only downside is the fan will run almost all the time around town and only cut off when you are on the highway. But the car will have full power all the time and never overheat. And by the way my current car a 88 944 Turbo S would give that Supra a run for the money.

[@douglasf13]

Yeah, whether a plain 951 or an S, yank the cat and chip it, and it flies. Spend a little more, and it’s a rocket!

[@Goodbarsix]

Man I wanted a 944 Turbo so bad!

[@roguedogx]

2:25 that was a very "Clarkson-hammond" exchange right there. lol

[@courtneypuzzo2502]

depending on what state you're in the cars from the 80s are considered Classic but not yet antique though for example a 1973 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible is considered an antique because the 73 model year launched in fall 1972

[@redryder1146]

Great video keep them coming my favorite out of the four is the 911 always love that car!!!

[@dawnpoint]

Tommy gets sassier in every video and it's great.

[@Kiss__Kiss]

LMAO!!! I Spit out my caramel Frap!!!! when I heard him talking about the 700+HP RAM TRX!!!

[@gsk5161]

Good stuff guys! The 944 beating the 911 surprised me. The video looks like you guys are barely taking off at the start? Give me the Supra.

[@sethlingenfelter]

I like the comparisons but think your old cars need some work. I remember running a 17.1 1/4 mile in my old 82 Supra (non turbo) with its 145hp 2.8 6cyl. That new Supra is fast but pricey. I’d love to see it go up against a slightly modded GR86. See if you can get that kind of performance or more for a lot less.

[@jasonpitts8395]

watching those older cars race is like watching paint dry! Its amazing how what was fast is now slow.

[@DCPEvo]

Fun reminder on how slow these old sports cars were.

[@yrasphong]

I love these old school car races

[@aaronzavala7464]

1987?!!! Why isn't there a Buick Grand National in this lineup???

[@Mrcrazydave11]

yep, even thought this is high elevation so the times would change, a GNX in 1987 would run 13.3's at 103 in the quarter. Not much of a threat to most modern muscle but very impressive back then.

[@freerider604]

You guys have the best job! Cheers 🍻

[@tgmotoman1]

Great video, loved it.

[@josemontano7767]

I would love to see the Supra up against a turbo trans am

[@jtreu107]

geez, my first car was an 86' civic si with 91hp, in the late 90's I ran a 17.1 1/4 mile at Orlando speed world.

[@NFSLINKINPARK1]

Should've been against a manual gr86.

[@BriansRCStuff]

Love this!!!!! Keep it up guys.

[@3.2Carrera]

I'm partial to the 911 of I'm going toward an old foreign car. The yesteryear engineering makes it easy to work on and the parts availability, while expensive, is at least out there in the market. Maybe doing a rolling start to prevent not just a clutch dying, but the expen$IVE transmission from blowing up?

[@juddjonathan]

Not sure why it’s so hard to launch the 944. I got way better times with mine years ago. Then when you up to boost-forget it. Maybe it needs a clutch?

[@bryanmiranda2200]

The Porsche 944 Turbo was not done justice:( It's obviously the fastest of the 80's bunch you had, the second run should've been redone as it didn't reflect accurately due to a booat issue. I suspect zero or perhaps 3psi of boost on the second run caused by a KLT issue? I've had this happen to mine and a simple restart of the car solved it. I really doubt the car got heat soaked that easily.

[@victormontano7148]

The 5 series is a great looking car I’d still take that if you’d ask me. You can keep all the others including the BMW Supra.

[@owenmorgan857]

Loved this guys very enjoyable

[@rajendradathkalipersad1294]

Do you have a new member on the team ?

[@chanceslaughter3237]

Great video. Ya know even though it's so much faster, I'd rather own any one of the other cars. Assuming they're in good condition.

[@mr.2cents.846]

My thinking is, if that 80's Bimmer would be a real serious M3, it would woop ass.

[@nofooling2]

Fun video. Most enthusiasts would find the three 80’s cars not the high performance versions of the Marques.

[@kl0wnkiller912]

When it comes to sports cars everyone seems to all be worried about the 'fastest' ones but to be honest that is not what a true 'sports car' is all about. Fast is important, yes but the whole concept of a true 'sports car' puts as much emphasis on handling as it does on top speed... maybe even a bit more. You can have the fastest car in the world but on a road track you can easily be whipped all day by a better handling car with less power. I have a CTS-V and yes, a Hellcat can beat me on a straightaway but throw in some curves and it is a whole different race. That rule goes the same for sports cars.

[@mobil1620]

87 Starion/conquest would’ve been great for the line up.

[@i3oosted]

They were so scared to launch these cars and break them lmao

[@chir0pter]

Right, the 80s cars never had a chance. I think an f40 would have been beaten the way they would drive it

[@mckou1547]

What was the song that was played when the 911 was called the Eric Clapton or Red Nugent of the group? Sounded great.

[@the_jarmel]

HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE

[@vetteluvnh]

Outstanding! Thank you

[@jayb3955]

great video would have been a perfect eighties line up if you had a c4 vette!

[@jameswilson8907]

Honestly the complaint about altitude is kind of stupid, not all ground is flat at sea level. I spend most of my life at 2000ft so sea level HP means nothing to me, I'll take the boosted car every time.

[@markv78]

Guys great video we definitely need roman and Nathan in track suits next time lol. So question what sorta service has been done on the 944 I might have missed any report on it's condition from prior videos but has it had a tune up lately what's the service history ? I think like most it should have been alottt faster regardless of heat soak. Perhaps taking them on a cool down drive after might help too vs parking them after those runs ..

[@77magnuss]

Tommy, your jacket and shirt are great. Everyone tries to be retro these days.

[@kevineggsandbacon]

‘87 is literally the least quick 951. ‘86 was the same numbers but 400lbs lighter and the Turbo S was even quicker. Not to mention the S2 which was an N/A 3L. Known to be the torqueiest of all models.

[@NegativoZ06]

This is one of those channels that most drivers don't know knows how change gears fast manual transmission, it is the truth that had to be said and I said it

[@Bebopin-69]

I love your R40 cap. RIP N.P.

[@UmbrellaSvcs]

You had a moral and ethical responsibility to feature a 1987 Conquest TSi and you FAILED.